Passe The Cloud - Episode #49 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:09 Jason Atwood: This is the 49th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the last week of June 2011. This episode is titled Passé the Cloud. CloudFocus Weekly is sponsored by Arkus, your cloud computing experts. I'm your host, Jason Atwood, and joining me today in his I don't like New York t-shirt, doesn't say that at all, is my co-host for the 49th time, Justin Edelstein. Justin, how you doing? I feel like I had some déjà vu. He has a little bit of déjà vu. It's weird. It is. It's almost like we're done this 49 times. Almost almost 50. Are we going to have a party? We are. Awesome. Alright so let's go to our big agenda for today. We have Summer 11 favorites. We have a little blog post by you. We'll mention that. Big blog post by you. It wasn't that big. Chat or private message pilot. Talk about that. We'll talk about Benioff saying the cloud is passé. Who's this Benioff speaker? I don't know. We'll talk about him. We have foursquare news foursquare had basically three big announcements or three big things I think they they they may be all small enough to bundle up into a foursquare area of content and Then there's a new privacy module for Google Where you can look at I think that might make our Google quotient for the day Then we'll finish off with our cloud focus app pick of the week, so why don't we start off first with? with, first with what's best, your summer 11 favorite features on blog.arxink.com.

Justin Edelstein: I always am the one that writes the list of favorites when every Salesforce release comes out. I don't know why I'm always the one who gets that, but I'm the one who gets it.

Jason Atwood: It's pretty, it's like the easiest blog post to write.

Justin Edelstein: That's probably why I get it. Well, in that case, well, whatever. So I wrote a little list, five of my favorite Summer 11 features and...

Jason Atwood: Give me your favorite of your five. Ooh, my favorite. I don't want to hear all five because everybody's going to go to blog.argosync.com to read all five.

Justin Edelstein: Oh wow, my absolute favorite has to be Quick Find and Setup.

Jason Atwood: Okay, tell me about it. Oh, it rocks.

Justin Edelstein: It puts a little search box on the top left area in the setup. So this is really admin specific because I don't know how often an average user would go to the setup area. I don't even know if they know they can just go in there and change their personal information or their email settings. Although if Arc is trained, you know that. Very good. But anyway, as an admin, we're always in the setup area. We're always poking around in there. There's certain things that are just better if you could just start typing them in. Delegated administration. Not sure exactly where that one is. I know a lot of them. I know where things are, whether they're in Customize, Create, Develop, you know, Monitoring, et cetera. But some of them you really have no idea where they are. So you know, you have a little handy search box, you start typing, as soon as you start typing, it starts filtering down the entire setup screen to just the things that you typed for, and boom, there you are, quickly click.

03:26 Justin Edelstein: Very great. It's kind of like Quicksilver or Spotlight for your Mac user for the setup area in Salesforce.

Jason Atwood: It is absolutely a good thing. I don't use it.

Justin Edelstein: You should get used to using it. I know you've been trained over the last however many years, five, six, seven, let me keep going, ten years of using Salesforce to use the navigation tree. But sometimes there's ones that you're not exactly sure where they are and it's just It's easier to just type them in and be there. I'll get used to it.

Jason Atwood: I will say, if anybody knows that there's a key command to pop my cursor into that, that'll be useful. Because I'll find that search, when I use search generally, it's because it's easy to get to. So like the search on my laptop is spotlight, it's command space, and it just pops up and I'll type in a number like five plus, because I always have to know what five plus five is, and it's ten. Still is. So your Milli Vanilli album. It is like Milli Vanilli. I find it on the iPhone or iPad. I know to swipe left and then I get to the search. So I use search, but I have to know how to quickly get there.

Justin Edelstein: That would be a neat little add-in or plug-in or extension or whatever that when you land in the setup area, it just puts your cursor in the click-find and lets you start searching.

Jason Atwood: My favorite of your five favorite, I'm just going to try something, see if I can, no, can't do it. I was trying to see if I had, there was a key command to get in there, but there isn't that I know of. My favorite of your favorites is report building, is the dynamic new features in report building, a couple of them. The one that I like the most is that when you click on things, they just start to add in and rebuild it sort of asynchronously. So you don't have to like click wait and you can pick multiple fields and pick them over.

Justin Edelstein: Multiples is the best.

Jason Atwood: The mechanism for grabbing multiple fields, I don't think is intuitive as it could be. Cause I find myself command clicking and then clicking and then oh it's this. At first I found myself sorting columns, but then I

Justin Edelstein: realized you really do have to hold the command or I guess on a PC a control key down and then start clicking on them otherwise if you try and do it at the same time or click one and hold command then it just starts sorting them. Yeah it's a little odd. But I'm used to it now and I love it. I was using it just this afternoon to get rid of like 16 fields on a report to just get down to name and

Jason Atwood: ID. It's all I needed. Very good. So lots of new features. Everybody should have Summer 11 now. Your five list is up on blog.arkasinc.com. Interestingly enough,

Justin Edelstein: I posted this blog post to our Twitter account, both the ArcaSync Twitter account as well as mine, and I got a private message back from the product manager of Chatter saying, hey, just read your blog post. Have you played with the chatter API and how do you like or have you seen private messages?" I said, oh, well, let me take this off Twitter because I need to write you more than 140 characters in my direct message reply. And I said, oh, we're not in private message pilot. Why don't you put us in it? So he very quickly, I sent him our org ID and boom, we were in the private message pilot. So I should mention pilot

06:43 Jason Atwood: pilot, safe harbor, safe harbor t-shirt.

Justin Edelstein: Safe harbor replies, not generally available. Very nice. There are certainly some features that I've already sent him a list of about seven features that I think it could include.

Jason Atwood: Most of them are just common chatter features. Some of them are common features. Some of them are coming. Some of them they're working on.

Justin Edelstein: Some of them we went back and forth a couple times about how I might want it to look or whatnot. I love having some impact on these products. But essentially, it's direct messaging. That's like direct messaging within Twitter, but within Chatter. So you're on your Chatter tab. You have to be in the Chatter tab. And above all the filters on the left hand side is a new filter called My Messages. You click that, and then it loads a screen where you can send private messages that only show up in that area. So you can send them to one person, or you can send them to multiple people, creating sort of like an ad hoc private group. if you will. You know, one thing that I mentioned, I'd like them to show up other places. They only show up in that My Messages, which is, you know, it gave me the answer, it's very much like Twitter and Direct Messages. Direct Messages don't show up in your Twitter feed, they show up in the Direct Messages section, that's sort of what they were thinking. That's true. So, there was a rationale behind it, it wasn't just a, you know, they didn't just throw it there, there was a rationale behind it. And for now we've just been playing with it. You know, you get the emails, you can respond to the emails, they go in, that's nice. And it has a couple nice little features, and of course it's in Pilot, so it's missing a few things that I think it should have. And once we play with it a little more, we'll expound on that a little bit.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, I would think that one big ask for Chatter coming up is, get Chatter besides remembering my preference for expanded or contracted based on object type, which I don't know if it's in the ID exchange, but it should be, is making it more prevalent. If you sort of use Chatter more and more as a communication tool and there's still kind of a learning curve with that, you know, I want it up near my username. I want next to my username, just like in Facebook or anything else. Like if he's using, if he's saying that Twitter is that, then Facebook is the opposite because Facebook, whenever you log in, messages, notifications, all that are in the top right up there with a little red on them and you know there's something new waiting for you that doesn't happen here. It needs to happen up there by your username in the dropdown. So cool. Yeah, I mean, I just, I didn't know you could send to two people at the same time.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, it was very cool. I was, as I was putting in my feedback, I was like, one of the things I was writing was you should be able to do it to more than one person at a time. And then before I hit send, I said, Let me check and make sure that that's not there and that it was. It was pretty neat that it was there.

Jason Atwood: All right, so I don't know how they would get that. Wait for it. It'll be out soon.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, you might see something at Dreamforce. If you're cool like us, you haven't already. Wow.

Jason Atwood: You're calling all them not cool? Who's them? Everybody listening right now. Not saying they're not cool. Definitely, Zach.

09:48 Justin Edelstein: Some of them probably haven't.

Jason Atwood: You're definitely talking about Zach. Wow. So all right. So next story up is Mr. Benioff at Cloud Force. I think it was in the Boston Cloud Forest, which some people we know went to. Made the comment that the cloud is passé, which is an odd thing. I think he said it in context of the context was that now it's all sort of it's been done. Cloud is done. It's everywhere. It's ubiquitous.

Justin Edelstein: There's no one to say like email is passé. like everyone's done.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, it's like it's over. It's now time to move to the next thing. And the next thing for him, clearly, is the social movement. And he gave examples of companies who have social monitoring and social monitoring systems. And obviously, Salesforce provides one and bought another one in Radian 9, Radian 6. Radian, wow, now you can use me. Yeah, there you go, two numbers. It's Radian 6. Radian 6. And so-

Justin Edelstein: We're going to the judges, Radian 6. Radian 6.

Jason Atwood: we're gonna find more of that at Dreamforce. I'm sure it's gonna be more built-in. There's a whole track on social. Twitter and Facebook integration, more and more.

Justin Edelstein: Here's the thing about Mr. Marc Benioff calling the cloud passe. He spent the last two years rebranding all of his products to include the word cloud in it. It wasn't Sales Cloud and Service Cloud two years ago. It It was Salesforce automation and help desk service. Call center. Call center, right. Call center. And now we've got the collaboration cloud and the, you know, the force.com custom cloud. Why spend all this time putting a word in all your product names that you're

Jason Atwood: then going to call pass a seems opposite. It does. It does sort of, I mean, clearly you have to rename this podcast immediately because I say focus Passé pocus. It does seem strange, although I think that's just sort of the way to make news and stay hip and whatever. We've talked to insiders inside of Salesforce and they have said that it is still in the enterprise, in the large enterprise. Yes, small businesses move to Google, Gmail and Google Apps and all that, but in the large enterprise there's still a huge you know hump to get over in terms of of what the cloud is what it can offer what is differentiating factors are. So I know he's sort of saying hey you know that was so it's sort of like Steve Jobs like we made the comment before about the iPad the iPad and the iPad 2 he gets up he's like he does this whole video thing about the iPad the original one. Oh, it's the greatest thing that ever happened. It's changed the world. And then he can literally within 30 seconds switch into, but now there's the iPad 2 that makes that one a piece of junk. And just say that.

Justin Edelstein: When they do the, when they did their last, Apple's the best at this. When they did their new OS announcements. Like they would, they would poop on the old OS like, users found this so difficult to do. Now look how easy it is.

13:01 Jason Atwood: Yeah. And you know within six months, we'll be talking about the next one.

Justin Edelstein: And you're still using the thing that's really hard to use. It's good, it gets you to buy.

Jason Atwood: So I think that's what he's sort of saying is like, okay, everybody at this point should know that the cloud exists and why it's there and that we're the best at it and blah, blah, blah. It's now about the social aspect and that's where I'm going to push forward. My guess is he'll back away from that one by the time we get to Dreamforce. I doubt there will be less clouds at Dreamforce. But moving on to some social news. Some social news, actually one of my new favorite obsessions, I think one of our listeners made a comment on Foursquare to me saying, when is Justin going to become the mayor of Arcus again and I don't think I responded because... Never. Yeah, because you gave up. But anyway, Foursquare is...

Justin Edelstein: I've decided that I'm only checking in at either places I've never been before or rare

Jason Atwood: places. So let's talk a little bit about Forest Square for anybody that doesn't know. It is a social gaming GPS location based system. Geolocation check in. Game social network. The game aspects, the catchy part of it. Well game and then there's a commerce aspect. So we've talked about it before. Basically using your phone that has GPS built in, you log into it, you check in, I'm quoting, air quoting, to places that exist and you say I'm going to be here and then it tells you your friends around you and then it gives you points and then if you check into a place enough times you become the mayor of that place and you get more points and there's leaderboards. Anyway, so three pieces of news, basically going back to our 2011 predictions, one of my predictions was that I think there is going to be a competitor to Facebook that people are going to make by the end of 2011 are going to say are a legitimate competitor to Facebook you know will show up. I'm not sure it's Foursquare, but they just hit 10 million users which is a nice big number. Now, Fours Facebook, I think it's 600 million or 500. I think it was 7. No, they're not 700. I think they were. Okay.

Justin Edelstein: We can use Google to find that out.

Jason Atwood: 600, 700 million Facebook users, who cares? But Foursquare's gotten to 10 million. I don't think Foursquare could ever scale as well as Facebook because the nature of it I think is even more, the model is more private. I personally don't really want to have hundreds of followers on Foursquare who track me checking into the park, checking into my garage, checking into the MTA. Your bathroom. I do not do my bathroom. That's how you win. I do not. I do not. You know you do. I do not check into my bathroom. But I check into these spots all over the place. If you were to look at the feed, it's like this tracking of where I go, which is a little bit.

Justin Edelstein: That's why it's for the inner circle.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, it is for the, it's very inner circle. It's a small, small inner circle inside the inner circle. But I love the gaming aspect. Anyway, they hit 10 million users. They, they released a new version to the iPhone, which makes checking in much faster, which is one of the problem.

16:07 Justin Edelstein: I went the other day after it updated. Yep. So I was like, oh, all right, I'll, I'll open it up. Yeah. Because it updated and it is a lot quicker.

Jason Atwood: And they made it much more prevalent. And then they did the thing that I think is, is probably the most interesting to talk about. which is, Four Square's always had a business model built into it which was that you could offer these specials and if people checked in or did things at the place that they were, you could then show it and get a discount. So when you're checking into a place, it might say, oh there's 13 specials nearby and it might be restaurants or bars or whatever that if you go check in at that place, you get a discount.

Justin Edelstein: Also get free stuff if you're a mayor.

Jason Atwood: Right, you might get free stuff.

Justin Edelstein: If you're the mayor or if the mayor's here.

Jason Atwood: I've seen so much as like free drinks at a bar. I've seen, I've personally done the 10% off as a local restaurant where I have done it as well. Where if you just show that you checked in, you get 10%, 10% off your bill of 80 bucks is, that's a small price to pay for just going check in at a restaurant. But now they've made a deal with Amex, which I think is kind of even more interesting because now they're saying that they're gonna start to do deals that are related to using your Amex card and checking in. So checking in and then using your Amex card will get you some something. I don't know how the you know what the details are yet to come but...

Justin Edelstein: I remember Foursquare is not making anything off this deal. It's more just a we did this deal, we can pull this off, let's do some more deals like it and actually make some money.

Jason Atwood: Yeah but again you if they go from 10 to 20 million people because people start ooh I get more discounts. My wife went to, we were talking about getting something for my daughter for her birthday and she goes oh we have to go to Modell's because Modell's if you check in you get $10 off if you spend this. I mean so it's already kind of permeating that oh if you check in this but we went to, we went to Tasty Delight the other day. Yes we did. And we walked away and then I went. Yes we did. And I went to check in and it went there was a special that we didn't even know before we checked in there. Should have checked in when we got there. Exactly so but I think that aspect to it, not only the gaming aspect which I really like about it, but this commerce aspect, I think it has a real big pull and we'll see as it goes because it's something that I don't think Facebook has done very well. There's no commerce pull for me to go to Facebook, but there's a commerce pull for me to go to Foursquare and that I think keeps it alive and so that's sort of the Foursquare news as it were. And then last but not least before we get to our Cloud folks folks at picks of the week. Google, the company formerly known for making the wave has launched. I'm not really known for it but they did do it. Someone questioned you the other day. You were on a phone call and someone questioned, oh you're still using that? It was yesterday I was on a call with one

Justin Edelstein: of our clients and I bounced over to Google Wave or I was on the phone with a support rep and I bounced over to Google Wave to go get a piece of information that we store there that I needed for the call and he was like what's that? I said it's Google Wave. He said oh I remember that I used it like two years ago for one thing. Right. It's like yes we use it constantly. Can't stop using it.

19:27 Jason Atwood: Clearly don't listen to the Cloud Focus Weekly Podcast. No because if you did it would be mentioned 49 times at very least. Right. So Google has released a new feature in your dashboard called the privacy module which

Justin Edelstein: I thought it's called me on the web.

Jason Atwood: well it's a privacy module in that it might not be called privacy module but it is a module that shows you sort of your where your social pieces are what that what what within google is sort of exposed and so when you land on it it's under google.com slash dashboard so So if you're logged into Google, which it almost feels like I'm always logged into Google, it then goes to profiles.google.com slash your username and then it shows you all the sort of things that you have been a part of socially. So Picasa Web, your plus ones, if you put in any links or any buzz, even includes your location stuff. Everything. Yeah, it does.

Justin Edelstein: your blogger account, your Gmail account, groups, everything.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, it's a lot. But it's nice because it kind of wraps it up so at least you can see sort of where you're available. Which is a good thing. I think it's one of the things about these other social networks, you don't have a really good sense of where your stuff is available. I think the problem with Google is that these things, They make so many of these little things. They're just not, they're hard to find. I'm sorry, but even searching for them, I go look under my, is my account settings, is this settings, I never seem to know where to go find the thing that I need to do. Like even the two-factor authentication under Google, it's always like, where is that thing again? It doesn't seem, you know, it's always hidden under some submenu. Or maybe they just have too much stuff. So that's kind of interesting. I mean, you know, adding in a social view, or a, or a,

Justin Edelstein: Not even social. Well, plus one. Well, it's not even that. You can remove content about you from showing up on their search results. That's very important. Yep. Or your phone number or something. You can go in and say, get rid of this. I don't want this. Right.

Jason Atwood: Again, nice that they're exposing it. It's only in Google. It's not like removing it

Justin Edelstein: from the internet. Right. It's removing it from Google search results. Some people would

Jason Atwood: say if you remove it from Google you're kind of removing it from the internet. I had an interesting side story about social privacy. Someone posted a video of their kid and my child onto YouTube and sent it out and they made it as an unlisted posting on YouTube. And I immediately kind of went, wow, don't do that. And we went back and forth over email saying, and I said, you know, could you please remove it? It's cute, but could you put it on Facebook? And my reasoning was that, basically trying to explain to this person which was, even though it's unlisted in YouTube, it's only protected by an Earl. And an Earl can be found, linked to, sent, re-sent, posted on a blog. It's not at all private. What's nice about Facebook, and we begin to trust Facebook for this, is that if she posts a video of her kid or my kid, or pictures of her kid or my kid on Facebook, I know that it's limited to a universe. Right? We talk about social circles. limited to her friend set, her 200 whatever friends she has, which I can easily find out

23:01 Jason Atwood: basically, A, who those friends are and how many she has. But I know that it can't go beyond that and that it can't happen that somehow it just gets linked to and that someone's looking at this video. So it's an interesting take. I don't think people understand this and it's going to become one of these, we have the mistakes of people Twittering their stuff to the wrong people or doing it for the right But all this kind of stuff of posting images and sort of the privacy model I don't know I there's something interesting out there about where this is going and do we just get numb to it as a society like our information being completely out there or I

Justin Edelstein: Don't know. I'm not really sure. I mean I People are getting there I I still think there are some like yourself who would say get my daughter's get my daughter off YouTube put it on Facebook like they're definitely people who don't really care really I think so yeah I just think

Jason Atwood: there's some of it that's well you go on vacation now with your friends you go down to I don't know Atlantic City or something you're out there partying with a bunch of your friends and people are taking pictures with their cell phones and all sudden you get back home and your Facebook accounts lit up like a like a Christmas tree like what the heck and all of a sudden it's because one of your buddies who thinks it's funny posted a picture of you at the local hooters and your significant other at the time doesn't like you going hooters and that kind of stuff I think happens more often than not and I don't know, it's just an interesting thing and how do we deal with this ubiquitous camera, video and social network that's also connected and how do we teach the people we love to respect them or not to just instantly post stuff? Not gonna happen. Not gonna happen. That's it. All right. It's over. It's over. All of our... The world is ending. All your information belonged to us. Yes. Excellent. It's over. Alright, well speaking of things that are over, this podcast is not one of them because we have the Cloud Focus app pick of the week and I'm gonna have you go first. I'm going first, eh? Yep, for the first time. So I am for the first time, sure. For the first time this podcast. Sure.

Justin Edelstein: I'm picking a force.com labs project. Surprise, surprise.

Jason Atwood: I haven't done it in a while.

Justin Edelstein: So I'm picking a new one on the AppExchange called Graphics Pack. It's pretty neat. It installs a bunch of graphics for you to use as icons or images on like tabs or within pages, visual text pages, or as formula fields within fields. So it just installs a bunch of 16 by 16 and 32 by 32 images and you know the 32 by 32 could be used by tabs, the 16 by 16 can be used in image formula fields, you know like like you know at Summit you see like the street lamp and the stars and the built in images that are inside of Salesforce, well they give you a whole slew of them. And, it's pretty neat. So it throws them into the documents and then you can use them from there.

26:25 Jason Atwood: And I assume the price is free? How's the code coverage on it? It's just images.

Justin Edelstein: There's no code. Just images, no code. There's just images. It just gives you a whole slew of images. That's nice.

Jason Atwood: I always wondered how you create your own kind of thing. I love the images, but I find as I log through people's orgs and you see how they use the bank one for money or they use the bank one for accounts. There's always some sort of thing on it. So good. Force.com Labs. What's the name of it again?

Justin Edelstein: It is called Graphics Pack.

Jason Atwood: Graphics Pack. All right, great. Force.com Labs.

Justin Edelstein: It puts a folder in your documents tab and throws a whole bunch of images in there.

Jason Atwood: I like it. Mine is a little bit off the beat in Path. It's something that showed up in some blog post somewhere. I went and I looked at it. I used it. I've now been trying to figure out how we can incorporate into what we do because it solves a problem that I think happens more than often. It's called Hello Facts. It is www.hellofacts.com. It is, I would say, a combination fax service and sort of document signing service. So the case happens almost all the time that you have documents that you need to, someone sends you a PDF and you need to sign it and send it, right? So what you have to do is you have to print it out, copy, you know, sign it with your hand, and then either scan it back in and send the PDF or go and fax it back to them. Which is a pain, right? So what this service does is allows you to basically take a document so that someone emails you the document, you can then just sign and fax it back at the same time. So you can go to upload the document, it then turns it into something that's almost editable, you can drop a signature on it, drop a check mark, drop text on it, and then hit fax and then give it either an email address or a fax number and it will then fax out the sort of modified document. Oh, I like that. Yeah, so it is...

Justin Edelstein: Can we start using that here at Arcus? We can. I actually started looking at it.

Jason Atwood: The thing I couldn't figure out was sort of... I started looking at it for a couple of minutes but then couldn't figure out was sort of a business account. So it's free to start, right? So you can just go... Oh, it also has the ability to have things come into it. So you can have things come in. You can have it as a fax number. So you can have a fax number they give you, which we have electronic e-fax, which is basically a fax number that goes to a place that then turns it into a PDF and sends it to you by email. This will do the same thing, but then of course instead of having to take the email, upload it again, you can just hit click, send, whatever. Click, sign, whatever. It's free to start. You can send off one. I just sent myself an example of it. It's pretty cool. Send in actually fax from an e-fax to another e-fax. So I'm sort of breaking the world thing. But then... So you can do five pages for free. You can do five pages free. And then...

29:35 Justin Edelstein: How much is five pages? Five fax pages. That's, you know, five fax pages. Is that your cover? If you're faxing out.

Jason Atwood: You know what you're saying, five pages including cover. Including the cover. And then you can do basic for $4.99 and go up to premium $9.99 or max, which gives you 2,000 fax pages a month. Whoa. A local or toll-free number. A lot of faxing. Unlimited signed emails and a 30-day free trial. So it's pretty cool. I mean, again, give it a shot. It is a problem that happens all the time. You need to sign something and I don't want to go through four steps. A waste the paper, B have to scan it back in or do any of that. So hellofacts.com starts at free but you can go up to 40 bucks a month for it. The thing I couldn't figure out was a corporate plan. Like give me an account that multiple people can log in or use it. It seemed to be one user type of thing. So that's it. That is the bell that says it's time to end the Cloud Focus Weekly Podcast. Those are our picks of the week. Again, if you want to read the blog post, it's at blog.arkusinc.com. We've come up on a one year anniversary for blogs too. I think it was end of July we posted our first blog.

Jason Atwood: So that's cool.

Justin Edelstein: We've got to be coming up on the year anniversary of the pod because... Oh, definitely. Have we missed a week?

Jason Atwood: We did miss one week, but we had one week with three.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, Dreamforce week.

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Justin Edelstein: Are we coming up on the one year anniversary of the blue snowball?

Jason Atwood: We might, might be. Maybe the first one's over the sky. I'm a big fan of the blue snowball. The blue snowball that is actually the color of black, which is interesting.

Justin Edelstein: Well, it's a black-blue snowball.

Jason Atwood: Black-blue snowball. Black and blue snowball. All right, so that's it. So subscribe to iTunes. Leave a review there. That would be great. And until next week, when we'll be back with more exciting news about this and other blue snowballs, enjoy those cloudy days.