Permissions Infographic - Episode #54 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 54th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the last week of July 2011. This episode is titled, Permissions Infographic. CloudFocus Weekly is sponsored by Arkus, your cloud computing experts. I'm your host, Jason Atwood. And joining me is co-host, Mr. MVP, Mr. Infographic himself, Justin Edelstein. Justin, how are you doing? I'm doing great. Thank you for calling me by my proper title. You like some sort of lord or... I am an overlord. ...majestrate that you have to say. it every time? Yes. Excellent. So we have an agenda today. We do. We do. Talking about, we have two infographics and some rolling. So we're going to talk about roll base, we're going to talk about web-based startup tools, what, wait, web and business tools startups use. Right. What we'll talk about. We got our hands on a Chromebook. We did. We have some opinions and we have some DF11 news or Dreamforce 11.

Jason Atwood: Hashtag DF11. Yes, if we could only hashtag our words. Again, I've tried to hashtag in my emails.

Justin Edelstein: I almost hashtagged DF11 in the Wave and it didn't work. In the Google Wave. Nice.

Jason Atwood: Alright, so first up, some news. This was actually, I don't think this was, this was last week's news. Last week's news.

Justin Edelstein: Old news, but still worth talking about. Well, we just threw it.

Jason Atwood: So this is a ReadWriteCloud story.

Justin Edelstein: ReadWriteCloud, they stealthily signed up for a product called RoleBase, which you can go to their website, I'm assuming it's RoleBase.com, I don't have it in front of me. And one of the things that they do is they will migrate a Force.com application from being hosted on Salesforce.com to RoleBase. caveats, big ones. Big ones.

Jason Atwood: So the title is Using Role-Based to Migrate Force.com Apps Elsewhere, a Hands-On Report. Right.

Justin Edelstein: So they will do it to two places. They will put it on their rolebase.com hosted cloud service. They will put it on a role base.

Jason Atwood: Wait, is it bad that I don't even know what role base is or never heard of it?

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, it's probably bad that you've never heard of it. But we're talking about it anyway. I guess you have three options. So you can put it on their hosted cloud service, you can put it on the role-based private cloud, or you can then take it off of the cloud and install it and deploy it on either your own in-house servers or a third-party hosting service for hardware.

Jason Atwood: So it's a migration tool away from Force.com?

Justin Edelstein: Away from Salesforce and Force.com with some super serious caveats.

Jason Atwood: So let's talk about that for a second. And I think there's been an industry thing about buy-in or tie-in to these applications. And I would say that Salesforce does a pretty good job. I mean, yes, you can't do anything with Apex, right? Or triggers or validation rules or workflows or approval processes. All these things are kind of, once you build them in Salesforce, they don't come out. But that's basically every system in the world. What you can get out is the data. And Salesforce does a very good job of letting you get your data out. now i get their particles of the but they'll give you an extract i think here uh... and present but the next weekly you can just here's all you did it and

03:42 Justin Edelstein: so without what the article starts off as saying is a comment that they regularly regularly here about salesforce dot com users or actually our concerns around the price and lack of flexibility around pricing of this solution and that's that's where they started off his role bases far cheaper things like thirty dollars so that's where they start off and

Jason Atwood: by the way you buy enough of sales forcing its really yeah i know and firstly i've ever seen knowledge you know that if you buy i don't know thirty thousand licenses you've pretty discount to get stuff

Justin Edelstein: uh... so you know someone who wants to do so some development of course dot com you can do some right across the map and then if you don't want to keep it there you can move it over to rolebase which is inspired by salesforce.com so there are some super serious caveats the rolebase site advises you cannot move apex you cannot move any socal so if you're writing queries with socal you can't move any of that stuff uh... formula fields probably not going to work. They may work, they may not. Although the person who wrote this article had a good experience with that. And components with any custom code will likely not work without modification. The person did say that they were able to move the cases object and a related custom object over into Role Base. And RoleBase has pretty much the same standard core objects and core functionality in it that Salesforce does, according to this article. I haven't signed up for it. I haven't signed up for a RoleBase account, but I find that interesting. And I've seen the UI in some of their screenshots. It looks pretty similar to column layout, drag and drop, the whole deal, hovers, things like that. So he was able to get the cases object over and a related custom object. Formula fields came over, but the syntax didn't translate correctly, so they were kind of broken. Then he said he got an email from the role-based CEO, Matt Robinson, probably not really from Matt, advising that they had proactively fixed his formula, which hadn't translated on the move over from Salesforce. So that's kind of cool. Yeah, they must be like looking out for that kind of thing.

Jason Atwood: Oh, and you have two people doing something.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's easy. if you don't have a very many people doing it seems interesting uh... you know that they also know in in this article that uh... there's a microsoft access import feature honestly is probably the more appealing way or more appealing feature for people like if you're using sales force you're probably not gonna want to migrate that stuff to roll base odds are maybe you will probably not if you're using access you're looking for a really easy way like Hey, can I click some buttons and get my access app or database to just get onto the web somehow? This might be a good option for you.

07:00 Jason Atwood: You know, I find it really interesting because it's like the market will demand, right? If everybody thinks that Social Server is overpriced and there's a better solution out there, someone will go ahead and build the tool, the movie from A to B. That's just the way the industry goes. there's a demand for something, people will do it. Interesting that, I mean, this is obviously role-based doing this. So role-based going to role-based is self-serving, just like Salesforce has tools that'll get you from out of other systems. Like, oh, you want to import out of ACT.

Justin Edelstein: The Lotus Notes import tool or whatever.

Jason Atwood: So because anything that they see as a competitor they want you to get easily out of. Haven't seen a Salesforce out of Microsoft Dynamics import tool or out of the box one that I know of. Interesting, I mean, I don't know. I mean, interesting.

Justin Edelstein: interesting enough article worth talking about here in the fact that minutes that we just compliments that reading moving on moving right along

Jason Atwood: so that's what is uh... this actually interesting because it's an infographic which become very popular on the very popular and i find

Justin Edelstein: them is is the key word of the year something it is it's it's not an infographic everything just a picture

Jason Atwood: it is a picture with stacks to study pictures. Isn't it just a chart? It's a chart with stats. Kind of a chart.

Justin Edelstein: This was by the way the first article that I ever used the new Safari's reader or read it later

Jason Atwood: feature for. Nice. So this one is called, this is an infographic off of...

Justin Edelstein: It's on Mashable. On Mashable. It's called the Web and Business Tools Startups Startups Used Most. So this is all about a startup company essentially the startup toolkit right you know i thought this was this would be a good thing for us to talk about alluding to a blog post that some of your right next week some schedule in the queue for next week talking about how a startup can get started really quickly using cloud computing and other technologies one of our one of our employees is going to be right as you read on the on

Jason Atwood: experience of chroma well as part of it

Justin Edelstein: uh... you know it's not just the chromebooks it's the tools that you use on the chromebook

Jason Atwood: i think maybe we'll push them in the right direction but i think a real in-depth review of chromebook would be even more interesting

Justin Edelstein: yeah because we're going to talk about the chromebook too we're alluding to his blog post that will come out next week that's where you go to blog posts but anyway this is on mashable and it's posted some company called best vendor surveyed five hundred and fifty start-up staffers mostly in marketing and executive administration positions I basically asked them.

Jason Atwood: But the companies were mostly tech. 45% tech.

Justin Edelstein: They asked them, what are your favorite tools for email, accounting, web analytics, CRM, productivity, design, storage, payment processing, operations, and so forth. And I thought it was.

Jason Atwood: So pick out some interesting stats. Because I've seen a couple that have already just sprung out of my eyes. So give me some ones that you think out of this, who you think are kind of shocking. Or not shocking.

10:02 Justin Edelstein: I wasn't really shocked by a whole lot. I mean, the names that I thought would be there at the top are at the top. company mail collapse wow fifty seven percent startups useful laps not that surprising uh... you know sales force fifty nine percent of of startups you sales force for c r m maybe it's a little higher than i thought was the price point you know so if you're going to get your legitimately starting up a company when you want to start with the best read stuff and that's you know that sales force when you compare it to the other ones that around this info graphic You know, 59% to the next highest is sugar at 6%. Yeah. I mean, that was a little surprising. The gap. It wasn't that surprising that Salesforce was number one. It was more the gap in between one and two.

Jason Atwood: Just like an email, I mean, Google Apps being 57%. If you're a startup and you don't know about Google Apps and it's sort of the cost price.

Justin Edelstein: You should stop being a startup. Right.

Jason Atwood: But I was actually surprised that 4% for GoDaddy and then 2% for Rackspace. So I'm surprised that people are using Rackspace even though I use it for one of my, or three of my seven accounts. I'm on one of those. You're on one of those. But then GoDaddy, I guess they have email.

Justin Edelstein: Well, any time you host or you buy your domain from GoDaddy, you can then host with GoDaddy, and you get email accounts when you host. So they just have them as their provider. Then you can use whatever, Apple Mail or Outlook. It's kind of weird. They threw Outlook in there. And Outlook doesn't equal any of these other ones

Jason Atwood: You could use Outlook with all of these.

Justin Edelstein: You could use Outlook with all of these. So that was a little interesting.

Jason Atwood: It's like saying, if you said exchange, that would have been more same. But I don't think people even understand that concept. Right. But looking at accounting, QuickBooks being-

Justin Edelstein: That didn't surprise me at all.

Jason Atwood: That didn't surprise me at all, except for FreshBooks being beat out by zero. Never heard of zero. And I've heard of FreshBooks very well. Sure.

Justin Edelstein: And Great Planes, which is below it. We've heard of both of those.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, Great Planes is expensive. FreshBooks is like $19.

Justin Edelstein: I was not surprised by QuickBooks being number one. I would have thought Excel would have been more than 5%, just because.

Jason Atwood: Very surprising note taking that Evernote had 33% and Google Wave's not even on it.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, that's a mistake by the people. Because you're really missing out there. We use Google Wave as our note taking app of choice, and it is by far the best.

Jason Atwood: But interesting that in their collaboration in Wiki, Salesforce gets 2%. So they consider Salesforce a collaboration in Wiki platform?

Justin Edelstein: Collaboration, not the wiki. Really? Chatter.

Jason Atwood: I use wiki all the time. No, I don't. No.

Justin Edelstein: I've used wikis in the past, and I love them. But I think wikis are going to go by the wayside. I think Google Wave is a wiki killer. But wiki.

Jason Atwood: Well, it got killed by everything else.

Justin Edelstein: The thing about wikis is that they have navigational patterns. Like Google Wave is more free form. But they have Google Docs kind of as the winner there. And note taking, Evernote, right? We love Evernote. Project management, base camp, not surprising at all. Yep. I mean, I'm not surprised by really any of this.

13:09 Jason Atwood: MailChimp being over 30% for sales and marketing over Constant Contact, which had 11%.

Justin Edelstein: People love MailChimp. MailChimp's got a really great UI. It's got a really great editor for creating email templates. And as a startup, you can get started up with MailChimp really quickly. Oh, two more. Sorry, two more. Two more that surprise you? Yeah, two more.

Jason Atwood: Fire framing, OmniGraffle brings in 32% over everything else. That's awesome, cuz I love OmniGraffle.

Justin Edelstein: We do love our OmniGraffle.

Jason Atwood: I think they talked to us for that. And then the last one was social media management. I love that social media management, they have basically, Radium 6 now owned by Salesforce. Twitter.

Justin Edelstein: These really aren't.

Jason Atwood: Tweet deck, Hootsuite. So you have three real management software sort of. And then you got.

Justin Edelstein: Just social media platform. Right. They mix the metaphor there. Not really. But interesting. All right, cool. Yeah, it's a cool infographic. It is a, you know.

Jason Atwood: And a couple I'm gonna go look at.

Justin Edelstein: Definitely, as a one year old company here, we're still, you know, you still consider us a startup. I would still consider ourselves a startup. And we use some of these tools. We certainly do, right?

Jason Atwood: We're still doing a podcast.

Justin Edelstein: Still doing a podcast. But we use a lot of these tools. As a matter of fact, if you look at like, in this top part, like the most popular product categories, the company email, the accounting, the web analytics, CRM, website design, storage backup virtualization. We use five out of the six top products.

Jason Atwood: I'm surprised Jungle Disk isn't in that.

Justin Edelstein: Well, and the storage backup virtualization Dropbox has 39%. It's great. Followed by Amazon.

Jason Atwood: Amazon isn't Jungle Disk.

Justin Edelstein: Jungle Disk is Rackspace, right? But aren't we on Amazon?

Jason Atwood: No, we're on Rackspace. Amazon charges up down. And I think not anymore, but Rackspace doesn't. and juggled this zone by Rackspace, so it's kind of like one bill.

Justin Edelstein: I've never heard of mozu or backblaze.

Jason Atwood: Backblaze I've heard. But that's sort of backed up. I've heard of carbonite.

Justin Edelstein: I've never heard of mozu.

Jason Atwood: And I use a... In front of mozi.

Justin Edelstein: Maybe that was supposed to be mozi. I think it's mozi. But they wrote mozu. All right. Moving on. Moving right along.

Jason Atwood: So things we got our hands on this week. Yeah.

Justin Edelstein: We got our hands on a Chromebook. I'm trying to find it in the office, but I don't see it. It must be packed away. It was a Samsung?

Jason Atwood: Samsung black 13 inch Chromebook.

Justin Edelstein: Is it 13 inches? Definitely. I thought it was like 12. Whatever, 12.2. It wasn't 11, it wasn't 13.

Jason Atwood: So off the top, so this is something, you know, the Chromebook for those out there who don't know what a Chromebook is, it's Google's four way into building an operating system that is basically a web operating system, but runs on hardware branded by them, and that when you log into the hardware, you're logging into basically Google, And then you log into a version of Chrome. But then underneath it, you can run all the applications that can run on the web. And the concept is that, A, it's cheap. They're inexpensive. They're $400 to $500. They're good for businesses and educational institutions, because you can roll them out and also lease them for $20 a month, and then everything you need is there. You log into it. You get your email. You get your calendar. You get all the apps. We got the web, which everything's in the web, apparently. And if you log out, or if it gets crashed, it's all saved. It's all backed up. Because really nothing is on the computer. It's a big, glorified web browser in some ways, but then

16:38 Jason Atwood: kind of tightly integrated to the hardware a little bit more. So this came out in Google's IO conference. We talked about it. We said we definitely got to get one. We love, love, love one. We got our hands on one. And then we basically said we were going to buy one or two. And so someone in our office went and bought one, brought it in, and what was your reaction? I didn't like it. That's enough.

Justin Edelstein: No, let me give you the reasons why I didn't like it. Because just blanket statement, I didn't like it, doesn't do it justice. No, it doesn't. So there were some things about it that were kind of cool. Look, it's a computer that has the web on it. And a majority of the things that I do on a computer are on the web. It's just surprising when you get on a computer that only has the web, how constrained you feel.

Jason Atwood: I think that would have been an interesting question before you logged in versus after you logged in. If I asked you before you logged in the Chromebook and I said, okay, just tell me percentage wise what percentage of things you do on the web.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I would have said 85 to 90%. And you probably do like 25%. It's amazing how constrained you feel. There are a couple things about it that I thought were not done well, and it's unfortunate that I don't have a really great list because I think in time it'll be a really nice product. But for now, it's slow. It should boot up faster than it does. It boots up. It's supposed to boot up real time, but it boots up 10, 11 seconds. 13 seconds. It doesn't wake up too fast. It should really wake up fast.

Jason Atwood: there's a boot up which is the tester states and there's a wake-up which we thought was either we should

Justin Edelstein: be like an ipad instant hit the button we got right hello i'm here is in the hands that took a little too long but okay fine the actual experience you want in that you know you know open it and you're in you have like a accounts screen or has like our like any right like any computer you have your account And you can add an account. So I added, it wasn't my machine, so I added myself. And what it asks you to do is log in using your Google credentials. I thought, oh, this is great. I'm going to log into Google. And then when I am on the machine, I'm going to be logged in, this is awesome.

Jason Atwood: I'll be logged into email.

Justin Edelstein: I'll be logged into everything. I'm logging into my Google account. So I log into my Google account with my Arcus account, because we use Google Apps. I log into my Google Apps account. I click the go, it logs me in. I'm like, awesome, I'm in a browser. And it shows me all these apps I can use. It's like, there's no desktop, there's no minimize button on the browser. So like, there's no, there's. You can't minimize. Already you're sort of like, you're in a box, right?

Jason Atwood: And you do, you feel a little bit like boxed in.

Justin Edelstein: You do, you feel like you're boxed in. You're like, okay, I can't go anywhere, but wherever that Earl bar is gonna take me. And I'm like, okay, let me go to Gmail. So there's the icon for Gmail. I click it. And where do I land? A login screen. And I got disappointed.

19:46 Jason Atwood: Well, we are using Two Factor.

Justin Edelstein: I tested this. It didn't work with my regular Gmail account either. It didn't log you in? No. I was very disappointed. Oh, really? Really. So I went back. Why log in? I don't know. I don't know. I couldn't figure it out. I'm like, why did you make me log in to my Google account when, once I'm in, I'm not logged into my Google account? I have to log in again. Like, why'd you do that to me? Why'd you make me do that? Why does it Google it? Why did you make me do that, Google? Yeah. Yeah. And so that was disappointing. The browsing itself was disappointing. I thought it was slow. I mean, to be fair, I have a brand new 15-inch MacBook Pro with as much RAM and the fastest chip you could possibly put in it. Second time.

Jason Atwood: It's a two-point.

Justin Edelstein: Whatever it is, it's a fast honking machine, right? Yes, it is. So to be fair, I'm used to that. And this is the only machine I use. So going from this to that. Right. the speed of my iPad and I feel like it should have been faster than that because it's a machine, it's not a tablet. And then thirdly, the keyboard was a little weird. It didn't have certain keys because you don't need them on the web. There's no command key or control key or function key or any of that. So it felt a little weird typing. I felt like my fingers were a little off and the trackpad was a little off.

Jason Atwood: That's sort of a hardware thing. Well the trackpad does not work. if you are mac user you have a track that special line now which well that's

Justin Edelstein: just blown away online now i don't like everyone and i i did my upgrade and the swiping has changed my life yet

Jason Atwood: it's your city and that they have been this one it it it is not so i i mean i

Justin Edelstein: quit so yeah that's my quick may well i didn't like it to that well i'm a part of the more things again today my second time still on the press from the continued with it trying to get a press that some

Jason Atwood: two things one is the guy brought in the have lots of discussions who are doing like kind of an iPad vs a MacBook Air vs a Chromebook discussion you know where does it really fit you know price range it's more than iPad but it's supposed to be more of a laptop blah blah blah so I dared him yesterday as we walked out of the office I said I dare you to come in tomorrow and just use the Chromebook he was within thirty minutes he was done he couldn't he didn't last till ten thirty he couldn't he couldn't do it because He couldn't use the Force.com API.

Justin Edelstein: The Force.com IDE. He needed it. Sorry. He needed the IDE to push something to production. So we were like, oh, you've got to use the IDE for that. And he couldn't do it.

Jason Atwood: So hopefully next week, his article, I hope his article is much more about what's, or his blog post is much more about a honest review of the Chromebook, not so much anything else. I'd really love a honest review.

Justin Edelstein: An honest review would be good, not a, in theory, you could start a business and give everybody a Chromebook.

Jason Atwood: If you were listening now, I would say don't do that blog book.

Justin Edelstein: You know who you could give a Chromebook? The receptionist. The receptionist would do OK with a Chromebook.

Jason Atwood: Honestly, the use cases for the Chromebook, I think, are so slim now that I've used one. I think that price-wise, it's got to come down. We'll talk about it next week. Because next week, he's going to have a blog book.

22:49 Justin Edelstein: We'll have a blog post to really review. So those are quick, first-hand impressions of a Chromebook.

Jason Atwood: Totally biased whatever.

Justin Edelstein: I don't think that was biased. I wanted to love it.

Jason Atwood: I wanted to like it enough. I don't I wanted to like it enough that I was gonna buy one now Nobody here. It's all about price if it were 50 bucks. Yeah, I buy one to be great I'd buy four and put in my house 50 bucks. That's like you know right. That's that's going out money

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, all right, so season of the wire on DVD. Let's go

Jason Atwood: Last topic listen drink like we're gonna do every podcast

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I think dream force 11 has to be mentioned every week basically every week going up

Jason Atwood: So we have a couple things to announce. Let's do it. So first thing is up is your thing to announce. Go ahead and announce it.

Justin Edelstein: I am speaking at a session. So if you'd like to hear me speak live, if this isn't enough for you, if you haven't gotten your Justin Fix by listening to the podcast.

Jason Atwood: Can I just say I have gotten my Justin Fix. I know you have. I am fixed. It's been years.

Justin Edelstein: You're broken. Completely fixed. I've broken you. Yes. If you want to get your fix, you can show up for my session. It's taking place on the Friday of Dreamforce at 10am. I don't know where the room is just yet. OK. But you can find it on the Agenda Builder. It is called I. If I could use the Agenda Builder, I would. If you could use it, but most people can. Log in. You could search for permission sets, and you'll find it. The full title of the session is called I Love Permission Sets, A Deep Dive into Profiles 2.0. So we're going to be talking a lot about what our permission sets in their current form, how to go about rolling out and using permission sets in your real-world scenarios as an administrator. Great. We're going to be hearing from a customer who's already rolled them out, and is in the pilot, and is already using them. Nice. We're going to be hearing from the product managers to take us into a deeper dive into the features and functionality that is permission sets in its current state and then a roadmap.

Justin Edelstein: So we're going to finish the session with a roadmap that gives us like, you know, you can't do these couple of things now, but these are the things that are absolutely coming in.

Jason Atwood: So you know what? It's a great thing, but you know what you're going to need to wear? What are you going to need to wear? To that session?

Justin Edelstein: Well, I'm going to be wearing something nice.

Jason Atwood: You're going to need to wear your Safe Harbor t-shirt.

Justin Edelstein: Oh, it's back. It's back.

Jason Atwood: So we've talked a little bit about the contest. We're starting to get some tweets and whatever saying, We did.

Justin Edelstein: There's a contest happening. In the Arcus T-shirt contest group on the Dreamforce Chatter org, I don't even know what to call it anymore, we got a post from Peter Jenkel, shout out to Peter, asking us if we'll be using the group again this year for creating a new contest. And the answer, Peter, is absolutely yes.

Jason Atwood: Actually, the answer is no. What? We're not creating a new contest. It's the same contest. It's the same contest.

Justin Edelstein: Nobody said, are we going to be using this group again. And the answer is absolutely yes. But not for a new contest. Same contest. The group is called Arcus T-shirt Contest Group.

25:55 Jason Atwood: So here's the details of the contest. The rules will be coming out in the next couple podcasts.

Justin Edelstein: I should probably change, because the rules are actually in the group. OK, well go look it up.

Jason Atwood: So I might have to go in and do this. We only have one extra thing in the, but basically it's a contest. We're going to have T-shirts printed, which we had them printed last year. We're going to have a new set printed this year, a little bit updated design. But they were well received. People loved them. People loved them. And it's basically an Arkansas logo on the front. And on the back is a Safe Harbor-like thing. And it says, have you seen me? Right.

Justin Edelstein: With some Easter eggs in it.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, it's a joke about Safe Harbors, which you see a ton of reinforcement.

Justin Edelstein: The Safe Harbor statement will be used at my session called I Love Permission Sets, a Deep Dive Into Profiles Support.

Jason Atwood: You didn't get enough out of it the first time? All right. 10 o'clock on Friday morning. So anyway, the contest is coming again. We will do it again. And you will need, you'll follow the group, get into the group so that the rules will be there. We will talk about it on the podcast. You will need to listen to the podcast. Just like last year. Just like last year. But this year, the only difference will be that we actually have a booth. Right. And so to collect this t-shirt.

Justin Edelstein: You won't have to run around and find us. You can just come to the booth and we'll give you a t-shirt.

Jason Atwood: Last year, the pound fail on this last year was that we were a roving band of.

Justin Edelstein: We were a group in the cloud. We were. We had a booth in the cloud. We had a cloud booth. It didn't work.

Jason Atwood: And it did not work.

Justin Edelstein: Booths in the cloud? They don't work.

Jason Atwood: Booths don't run on croons. And at the end of the day, what we did was we ended up mailing them out to people. Yeah, we did. So I hope you got your one. But we mailed them out because people did the things we asked them to do. But we were just very hard to find because we were meeting with prospects and clients, which is what we're there for. But this year, we have a manned booth. And we will be going there. We will be at the booth, one of us or both of us, probably one of us at a time. But we'll be at the booth. Someone else will also be there. And they will understand the secrets of the NIMH. And you will be able to come up and get your podcast t-shirt or your t-shirt.

Justin Edelstein: We're gonna do some cool stuff at the booth also with the podcast.

Jason Atwood: Right, so we might be doing a session, a podcast. We also might be doing some other stuff. Anyway, that's just the teaser. Talk about that in more podcasts so you guys stay in. So stay 53 through 60. They're sort of listened to. Yeah. Definitely.

Justin Edelstein: If you're listening now, just keep on listening.

Jason Atwood: And the last piece of news before we get to our Cloud folks at Pick of the Week. right off the tongue is the Dreamforce infographic which you were shown in because it was on it you were on it because it was like the top who to follow on Twitter basically it was the most it was Twitter Dreamforce 11 three four three three tweeters I go who tweet I call you a tweet a tweeter tweeter and a speaker this from Marketo which is a company that puts out a big

Justin Edelstein: sponsor big sponsor the marketing automation with email and it's now gone It's gone. It was gone almost immediately. You have a copy of it? I don't I didn't think I'd need one if the the internet is written in pen after all and You know I apparently not but you know three niggas, but everybody has white out Yeah, well, maybe Google has a cached version of it, but the you know Salesforce tweeted it out They said hey check this out Erica cool who runs the Salesforce MVP shot it out there, so I saw it I retweeted it you mentioned it on one of your tweets it was making its way through the Twitterverse and All of a sudden it was gone It was an interesting infographic put out by Marchetto on their blog It showed sort of the history of Dreamforce it went through all of the past Dreamforces where they were How many people had attended like what was the big thing the big announcement? It was very interesting to go back to 2003 and see like oh 800 people attended

29:41 Justin Edelstein: It was at some hotel in San Francisco and see throughout the years. Oh the app exchange was launched apex was launched Chatter was launched, you know Stevie Wonder Bill Clinton like the the level of speaker and the level of performer went up throughout all the years until this year till this year Because listening we love you It was a nice little infographic. I wonder why they had to take it down. My face was on it. Maybe someone complained that their face was on it.

Jason Atwood: It is still cached. No, because it's Twitter. You can't complain that. You can't complain. It's cached in Google. I'm trying to pick it up. Oh, look at that. Oh, I found it.

Justin Edelstein: There you go. You found it. Maybe we should save that and put it up.

Jason Atwood: I am going to. I will tweet it somewhere.

Justin Edelstein: Follow Jason M. Atwood on Twitter to find it.

Jason Atwood: you go infographic me the PDA there's gonna be a whole like apparently there

Justin Edelstein: already is a whole encyclopedia for info ground I saved it to my desktop it lives forever it lives forever there you go yeah that is written in pen my desktop

Jason Atwood: just synced with the cloud and I'm done it's making some noise right well that's that's my let's move on let's move on and let's go to cloud post app pick of

Justin Edelstein: week let's do it you can go whoa yeah baby that's your pick yeah baby wow that is a lame pick I had something else on there yeah but it was also sort of a lame pick but so I replaced my lame pick with a lame pick and I gotta check if it came down just yet because I didn't even download it yet I just saw that it was

Jason Atwood: available it's not even there you haven't even tested it this is one of the

Justin Edelstein: unproven untested what I call it don't really know all the features just yet just know it's available. GoToMeeting, for the last eight months you and I have been arguing back and forth over what our preferences WebEx versus GoToMeeting. Yes. And some of them you know some of the points that I make are valid, other points that you make are valid. One of the big points that you make is WebEx has an awesome iPhone and iPad universal app. Yes, universal. And GoToMeeting only had an iPad app. They did not have an iPhone app. So now it has a universal app. Now it has a universal app. It is available on the iPhone. It is universal. GoToMeeting version 4.8 is universal on the iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad. And it's free of for free of course need to go to meeting account obviously if you want to create your own stuff but if you have a good to me make me to attend you can't really dial you don't know have tested lots of so i was hoping to have it downloaded on to the just noticed it today yeah uh... because they just put out an update literally i just got it today and i was on the i've had those going through updating everything in i saw i'll go to updated let me see what that's all about now available for iphone so i went to go grab it off of the i cloud and it didn't come down yet so that's uh... you know more of an apple fail than anything but uh... go to meeting for the iphone now available i'll be playing with it because i love me some go to meeting and I love you some webex and now you can't use that whole webex has a mobile app argument on me until we see what kind of features

33:10 Jason Atwood: multiple video conferencing built in? GoTo might have that on though. I will say I don't know. So my pick is I'm just gonna pick a force.com labs pick I got in. No I'm just kidding. No you're not that's something I would do. No yes I'm actually

Justin Edelstein: just went to the website of what you're talking about. Yeah so I actually saw

Jason Atwood: this was, where did this come out? It's either tweeted or somewhere and... Does this exist first of all?

Justin Edelstein: It's not out yet. Okay so you're picking an app that doesn't even exist yet. But I've seen the

Jason Atwood: video of it and it looks nice. Okay. I think we're gonna like this. So I know I know nothing about it other than I saw the video, and it's coming to the AppExchange 2 soon. It's called KonaSearch. I like where you're going. Yeah. We, as for those of you who are listeners for the last 53 episodes, know that in our past lives, at the company that shall not be named, we were in search. We actually did research projects. We were search guys. Right. We rolled out search, internet search for 30 to 40,000 people.

Justin Edelstein: Millions and millions of documents. Millions of documents.

Jason Atwood: Well, not a small deal. Anyway, so we became pretty big on search. So search to us is kind of important. And not just Google search, but like faceted navigation, and relevancy, and different types. Styles to turn. Yeah.

Justin Edelstein: And we like that.

Jason Atwood: You know, the search within Salesforce, in some ways, is really good. Because it does something that very few searches do, which is that it breaks down the search results into the type of things that you have been searching for. The objects. The objects. So if you search for-

Justin Edelstein: It has some pretty high end features, the search engine in Salesforce. I mean that, the filter within search results is very, very hot. That's nice. And that is some really high end stuff.

Jason Atwood: I feel like very few people use that.

Justin Edelstein: It's too bad because that is a really high end feature. Yeah.

Jason Atwood: I kind of wish the search results came back as enhanced lists, but that's just me. Anywho, let's go back. So it is nice, but it doesn't really connect them. So what's sort of, you get back an account, you can look at, there can be three or four fields about the account, but that's it. Kona search does the connection. So you search the Kona search, which is a sidebar, and again, I've seen the YouTube video on this last week, and when you get back the results, not only does it give you the results, you know, normal results across your data set, but then will show you more data about the results. So across the side, in the results set, it's bigger, right? They're more like rows and then they can have bunches of different information. So if you search for Bob Boberson, you'd see Bob Boberson but then you'd also see the account that he's related to, maybe the account number. You could see other information that rolls up from his connections in the results. You also have some built in stuff, I think, more like name stuff like you search for Bob you get back Robert I think you could also look at like opportunity data so it could pull back in our looks like you

36:10 Justin Edelstein: could federate this out to other places to I mean it says on their home page how about information from Outlook or SharePoint or from industry website yeah

Jason Atwood: so it did pull in the information from Outlook I think was in the demo anyway I looked at I thought this looks very cool I haven't demoed it other than I I asked for them to put me on the demo. It looks really nice as an application. It's called Kona Search. You buy a company called Kona Data Search. Pricing and timing and all that, my guess is before Dreamforce. So look for them at Dreamforce. The thing that, the one thing I also saw that I liked that was interesting was they had a sidebar, a floating sidebar that was a search as well. And that would pick up where you were and you could kind of search other stuff. So if I'm on a contact, I could say, show me some other related search stuff. And it would just, and it would kind of pop out from the side and you could click it. And then it would then bring you to a search screen. So kind of like nice integration. We love search. Yeah.

Justin Edelstein: We love navigation via search.

Jason Atwood: And this is one of the ones that, listen, Salesforce, you're out there purchasing stuff, purchase it, purchase this. Like this clearly, you could take some of the concepts that they've picked up and bring it right into search and it would be a very happy, happy place. Again, the search within Salesforce is really, is really good. I love the number. It's gotten a lot better.

Justin Edelstein: new type of headset is good. Over the last year and a half to two years the search has been improved a lot by the product managers over there at Salesforce because I remember meeting with them when we worked at the company. I remember meeting with them as well. There's also stuff about it that's... Yeah, there are things about search that are like oh okay you

Jason Atwood: can't do that because... Yeah, oh because you have over 100,000 records.

Justin Edelstein: that's the number thousand and some really interesting back in the it's about

Jason Atwood: which may be leads its own podcast and or maybe barbera anyway here looking at the blog post for this week which i haven't written yet

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