Streaming Wars - Round 2 - Episode #55 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:09 Jason Atwood: This is the fifth episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the first week of August 2011, otherwise known as... This episode is titled Streaming Wars, Round 2. CloudFocus Weekly is sponsored by Arkus, your cloud community experts. I'm your host, Jason Atwood, and joining me, my co-host, who's given me the evil eye here in the podcasting studio here at 1501 Broadway, is my co-host, co-founder, and longtime bud, Justin Edelstein. Justin, how you doing? Good.

Justin Edelstein: Do we have a name for this studio?

Jason Atwood: The podcasting studio?

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. We do not. We need to name it. Naming contest.

Jason Atwood: Seems like a naming contest. Name the podcast studio. So we have some stuff other than that on the agenda. We have our first hardware review on the blog. Almost on its one year anniversary, we have the first hardware review on the blog. We'll talk about that. We have some Apple news. actually two pieces of Apple News, both in the cloud genre, as it were. And then of course, because we're kicking it up, getting closer and closer, I think three weeks away from Dreamforce 11, we have Dreamforce 11 news, which we will cover, including the official rules to the Arcus T-shirt contest. Ooh. Reduxed. Ooh. All right. Pay attention. Pay attention. be announced in this podcast. Nothing more. MATT CUTTSMITH-COTTERMANN-MCCRAYSON. Nothing less. Nothing less than that. And then we'll finish off with our Cloud folks at Pick of the Week, where we'll see who has actually used their pick and who hasn't.

Jason Atwood: All right. So first up on the agenda is the blog post. Much talked about. In fact, we basically talked about it last week in terms of what was going to happen. But the newest blog post on blog.arkasync.com is entitled Google Chromebook Review, Caveat Empore. Empore? Empore? Empore? I don't know.

Justin Edelstein: I don't even get the title.

Jason Atwood: It means go at your own risk. We could ask the blogger, but he's nowhere to be seen. Use at your own risk, something like that. Anyway, it's interesting because we talked about the Chromebook. This is his official review from Roger, the newest of the bloggers on the Arcus blog. And I think at the end, you know, I don't know, what would you add to this blog post as opposed to...

Justin Edelstein: I said it all last week on the podcast. I mean, it seems like Roger doesn't... He went in thinking that it was going to be all fun and games and came out saying, oh, I might not be able to use this thing to do my work. We challenged Roger the day after he came in with the Chromebook and was like, hey, check this out. To do his work on the Chromebook.

03:11 Jason Atwood: Now, let's just say his work isn't, he's not an accountant, he's not a sales guy, he's not a whatever. No. His work is Salesforce Consulting.

Justin Edelstein: Salesforce Consulting, configuration, project management. Data loading. Data loading. Getting on meetings. Getting on meetings. 9.45 AM, he trashed the Chromebook for his MacBook.

Jason Atwood: I actually challenged him as he left the day before and said, don't bring in the MacBook and just see. Because then you can really see if you can use it or not use it.

Justin Edelstein: I mean, as soon as he even lists out a bunch of the cons in his blog post, WebEx, offline usage, printing, just some basic things that you need to be able to do.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, and I think this is when we get to the analogy of throwing the Chromebook up against. He actually comes to the conclusion that it's all there in the net browsers. Netbooks, which I don't even know if anybody makes any netbooks. I mean, I'm sure they do. I don't think they're the big deal anymore. I think tablets take over all these cases. Other than a keyboard, which all tablets now you can grab a keyboard for. My Bluetooth keyboard will work with my tablet. He talks, oh, you can't get on WebEx. Oh, or GoToMeeting, you can do both of those on an iPad. I couldn't do, I mean, there are things like data loading, granted, you can't do that on an iPad. But I feel like in this point, when we were comparing them in part of our argument, and he even mentions it in the blog post, part of the challenge, we started comparing both netbooks, MacBook Airs, and iPads to the Chromebook. And I don't think it fits or does anything better than any of those three things. Is it less?

Jason Atwood: Is it cost less than a MacBook Air? sure, but it can do one tenth of what that thing can do. It's the same cost as an iPad, but it can't even do that stuff, and it can't run half the apps. I mean, there are what, 500,000 apps for the iPad? I think maybe in the Google Chromebook area, what do they call it, the Chrome store, Chromium? There's apps where it's not like I can switch from going on a Webex to going to email to then going and playing an incredible racing game like Hot Pursuit, which is not my pick of the week this week. We should make a gaming section where I just get on and talk about games that I like. And games I like. I play games. You play one game, which is flick, insert game title here. So it's flick baseball, flick football.

Justin Edelstein: Flick football and flick soccer are awesome. I also play Monopoly on my iPad. I play NBA Jam on my iPad. I play Yahtzee on my iPad, and I play Scrabble very poorly on my iPad.

Jason Atwood: So basically, board games from the 1985 call, and they want their games back.

Justin Edelstein: They're reinvented and they're awesome. I love playing Monopoly on the hard level against three other computer AIs. Wow.

06:14 Jason Atwood: That's the geekiest thing you've ever said in your life. I just love it. It's so much fun. I sit there on my couch at night and I play Monopoly. monopoly against three computers. Yeah.

Justin Edelstein: It's fun. Back to this blog post. Because I see it in your face. You're about to ridicule me.

Jason Atwood: I'll leave that for later.

Justin Edelstein: He did come up with some good use cases or recommendations as to when the Chromebook might be a choice that you would make, as it is inexpensive. His use case in particular is when he's going on vacation, or when he's going to places like the beach or the pool or a picnic, places where you might not bring, I don't know why you'd bring a laptop to the beach, I wouldn't, but to the pool, hey, to each his own, and if he's going away for a weekend, he also said if he had children, he's a little young to have a child, he would have that as a starter laptop for a child, that's not a bad idea. The bottom line though, not recommended for clients or people who do real work at this point.

Jason Atwood: It's not ready for prime time and it's not because of the hardware. I think everybody should understand this. It's not the hardware that's limiting this. Yeah. And this is what's interesting about this, because the hardware is not a little bad machine. It's the software. The software meaning the-

Justin Edelstein: It's the lack of software. It's the lack of software. It is the fact that it is just a web browser and this is, for us to say it is, you know, we speak the truth on this one. Yeah. It's not enough.

Jason Atwood: to be your operating system. No, not ready. So, well, no, it's not. The operating system

Justin Edelstein: that sits on your desktop, no, no, no. Those are the operating systems that Jen was talking about, the ones that sit on your desktop. You could have, alright, let's move on. Okay.

Jason Atwood: So we got, next story is, really comes out, you know, because we've talked about this a little bit, it's something that's coming in the future, which is iCloud. It's gotta make Cloud Focus weekly, because it has cloud right there in the name. But it's Apple's invention or reinvention of MobileMe, and their idea, their take on cloud, I'm not gonna call it cloud syncing, I'm gonna call it cloud usage. So Google's take is all the cloud belong to us, you log in, you use a Chromebook, you log in, You use an Android, you log in, and we're going to keep everything centralized in the cloud. And then you can use things down on your devices. We'll stream it to you, maybe let you have some of them. But basically, it's all in the cloud. Apple's take is we're going to use the cloud as more of a backbone, right? That you're still going to have everything locally, but it's all going to sink and come back and forth across the cloud. So if you make a change, it'll go across. If you buy something, it'll go to all your devices.

Jason Atwood: But it all happened from the cloud, But you're really not going to use things as much in the cloud, meaning you're not going to go to the internet to use it. It's going to become the backdrop of your device. I think it's actually two incredibly different and cool takes on cloud computing. I don't actually think that Apple is as, in some ways, as cloud computing. But as we talked about before, it's really device dependent. It's really iOS dependent and version dependent on the iOS, which is not what cloud computing generally is, being more sort of agnostic to browsers. But anyway, they opened up the iCloud to developers and said, hey, start working on it. And they showed off, or I guess didn't show off, but allowed for people to see, the things that some of us were worried about. Is there going to be a version of mail, calendar, and find my iPhone, and other things that you're going to be able to use in the browser? And they showed it, and they look unbelievable. They look amazingly like the apps on your desktop, to a T.

10:13 Jason Atwood: And they function just like them. So in some ways, hopefully they'll be fast. Yeah, MobileMe was never fast.

Justin Edelstein: Because MobileMe has a nice interface. It looks just like Apple Mail. But it's slow. Yeah, it is slow. It's real slow.

Jason Atwood: I think it's slow because it's loading so much JavaScript or whatever. It's just super slow. So I think an interesting take. And to build upon that, because it's kind of two pieces of news in one is really the double thing of what's happening with the Netflix world. So Netflix has redone their pricing structure. They've now split out DVDs and streaming. IAN NI-LEWIS

Justin Edelstein: I've had the streaming only for a couple months.

Jason Atwood: But now they're separate. You used to have streaming and discs together as one price. Now it's streaming as one price, discs are a separate price. And the only way to get them both is to connect them. They basically upped their price. Yeah, they did.

Justin Edelstein: Because I know, I mean, I only get the streaming. But my girlfriend gets streaming and the, I mean, she gets the DVDs.

Jason Atwood: Her price was going to go from $8.99 a month to $14.95 a month.

Justin Edelstein: She's not going to be happy with that. She's probably going to cancel.

Jason Atwood: She'll probably can't, if I were her, I'd cancel the.

Justin Edelstein: She'll cancel the streaming, I think.

Jason Atwood: And then, right, because you have the streaming. But so there's kind of like a little bit of war going on between the streaming providers of video, which are Hulu. And Netflix are sort of the two big ones. And then Apple, which hasn't really been in the streaming game, they've been like, you want to buy stuff from our cloud services? Great. You buy it, you download it. But there's two things. One's a rumor, and one's actually happened. They put an update. This is kind of interesting because it's showing where things are going. They put an update to the Apple TV OS. So on the new Apple TV. This is out? This is out right now? Right now. Downloaded, been doing it for three days now. And basically, the update allows you to do two things. One, you can go to Vimeo, which is a YouTube. Whatever.

Justin Edelstein: I've never gone to YouTube on my Apple TV.

Jason Atwood: But you could. And now you can go to Vimeo. That's not so interesting. The interesting piece is now, if you go to the TV section of your Apple TV, all your TV shows that you've ever bought on iTunes are available for you to stream.

Justin Edelstein: That is so awesome.

Jason Atwood: To stream and watch now.

Justin Edelstein: You know why that's so awesome? Because last night, we were catching up on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Because the new season is starting soon. And I've purchased seasons one through five off of iTunes. And I had to go to my computer, turn it on, make sure my Drobo is plugged in, turn on iTunes so I can watch it on my TV. And I won't have to do that anymore. No, they're all there. Awesome.

Jason Atwood: And they work flawlessly. They work great. They come down in HD. So whatever quality you bought them in is the quality you can watch them in. If you bought them in HD, you get to do HD-SD.

Justin Edelstein: I'm excited for this. I'm surprised you didn't notice. So let me ask you this question. So now you're interviewing me. Let me ask you this question. Yes. If I were to go to your house. My house, yes. Where you have an Apple TV. I do have an Apple TV. And I logged you off and logged me in.

13:22 Jason Atwood: I think they would all be there. My stuff would be at your house. I can't imagine why not. The worst case is they have to unplug it or something or reset it, but I think if you just logged me off and logged in as you, I think they would all show up. That's super cool.

Justin Edelstein: So my girlfriend has one as well, but all this stuff is that basically what I do is I travel around with it on my iPad so I can AirPlay it over to her. Super cool. Which is great. AirPlay is awesome because you have it playing on the iPad. You say, you hit one button, you say, go to the Apple TV. It just starts playing on the Apple TV. You have to let it download a little bit or upload or do whatever, transfer a little bit. Right. And then otherwise it stops in the middle.

Jason Atwood: It's basically streaming, right? Streaming from your iPad to your iPad.

Justin Edelstein: Oh wow, if I could just log her out and log me in and then get all my stuff, wow that's great.

Jason Atwood: And I know you're a big purchaser of iTunes stuff.

Justin Edelstein: I am a big purchaser. I do quite enjoy buying stuff from iTunes.

Jason Atwood: So where this starts is, so this starts off, so it's sort of like they didn't make a big splash, they didn't make a press announcement.

Justin Edelstein: No, I didn't even know about it. This is pretty big. Surprised my Apple TV yesterday when I turned it on didn't say, hey Justin, upgrade me.

Jason Atwood: It says if you go under settings, it'll say it.

Justin Edelstein: But anyway. Wish it would have.

Jason Atwood: So now two rumors have arrived. Uh-oh. That follow this. One is that Apple is set to, has negotiated contracts with every movie theater or every movie producer, movie house, and is gonna allow for the same thing to happen for every movie you've ever purchased. The second is that they're basically gonna build a Netflix killer or Netflix competitor, and they have the licensing ready to do it, and they're basically going to put out a subscription plan. And those are two separate things. I want to be clear, everybody listening to podcasts. One is to say, if you've ever bought a movie, and I've bought 20, 20 movies.

Justin Edelstein: I don't buy as many movies. I buy TV shows.

Jason Atwood: I have a kid who watches movies over and over again, so Megamind or Wall-E or something. So they watch movies five or six times. Don't mind. Those are yours. Those are mine. Tangled. I actually like Tangled. viewing of them because I don't get to go to the theater to watch them. And then they watch them three or four times. Then I get to throw them on an iPad for a car trip. And she gets to watch them on the car trip. All works out for me. So I buy them from iTunes. So now you'll be able to stream. That's just streaming the stuff you've already bought.

Justin Edelstein: That's the iCloud.

Jason Atwood: That's part of the iCloud. I think they need the licensing to do that. If they announce it, that's great. That pushes me further and further into the I'm only going to buy stuff from iTunes. Because now I've got this another advantage. The first advantage is it comes down, it's great, I don't have to bit turn, I don't have to rip, I don't have to be illegal. I click it to get it. That's great. I can put it on devices that are offline, like iPads, like iPods, and iPhones. Not really.

Justin Edelstein: Well, you have to plug in to do those.

Jason Atwood: Well, no. And coming in iOS 5, I'll be able to stream them across. So they'll automatically stream across from my iTunes. So you can do that. I can also be sitting in my house and get my entire and stream it to a device. But now I'll be able to just turn on my Apple TV, wherever it is, bring it with me if I want. And I got everything I've ever bought available for me to restream. So pretty cool. But the rumor is that they're going to build a Netflix competitor. Because think about it.

16:35 Justin Edelstein: Does that mean that Netflix comes off of my Apple TV? I don't know.

Jason Atwood: I don't know if that would be a good idea. They probably have an agreement with Netflix that would probably keep them up until they're through. I kind of like that.

Justin Edelstein: That's the only reason why I have it.

Jason Atwood: But if you could pay $7.99 a month or $8.99 a month or $9.99 a month and you could stream anything in the iTunes store.

Justin Edelstein: I'd rather have that because Netflix doesn't give you everything. And also, doesn't... Apple gives you... They have... I don't know if their library is as expansive in total, but if they said everything's available, then I'd rather have their streaming library then. Or I'd rather have them do that and then push Netflix to have to do the same. Right. Because Netflix has everything. They just don't have it streaming.

Jason Atwood: They don't have it converted to streaming. I don't know how they, what is the agreement thing?

Justin Edelstein: It kind of annoys me. Like, you know, I want to watch stuff that's more new. Like, you get through all the streaming stuff that you want to watch, and then there's nothing else.

Jason Atwood: Well, new stuff comes, and they have TV shows. It's rare.

Justin Edelstein: The TV shows come like a year later.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, well, they come in after they come out on DVD. Which is usually, if you watch Showtime and HBO, which generally put out these shows you want to get on DVD. They come out about the time of the next season starting. So if one of our favorites things, or Weeds, let's say. So Weeds just started their new season.

Justin Edelstein: They're six episodes in.

Jason Atwood: The CDs, the DVDs for the last episode, came out probably three weeks ago, four weeks ago. So anyway, I think it's interesting because there's been rumors of Apple buying Hulu. And I want Apple to be in this arena because I think it adds a little competitiveness to Netflix and Hulu, which I think are kind of running away with it right now. Netflix has changed their pricing scheme twice and raised their price twice in six months. Hulu, while a great service, is pretty pricey when you just want to use it on your iPad, you have to pay for it, and they throw in tons of commercials anyway. So it's like, well, now I'm paying for it and I got commercials. I think the streaming wars are really heating up and I'm excited to see how Apple is going their take on it and bring others you know let's see who else has got a take on it or competitive bid on these streaming wars all right for the most important part of our podcast for all you who don't use salesforce.com and don't aren't going to you last tune out now tune out now because we're gonna talk about dream force 11 let's do it so what we got in the news go give me some

Justin Edelstein: news for the well the app has been updated since we last talked so the

Jason Atwood: Dreamforce... Yeah, Dreamforce app. Or the app that I download to my iPhone. No, the

Justin Edelstein: online go to the website dreamforce.com, hit the login button and login. The app has been updated with some new tabs you may have noticed. The campground tab has been added, the developer zone tab has been added, and most importantly, obviously. And of course now I slip on the Expo tab has been added. Which is what? The Cloud Expo tab, which are all of the exhibitors and the sponsors which Arcus is one of. So you can go to the the Cloud Expo tab, you could find Arcus or you could just type Arcus into the search box. Find our exhibitor booth, booth number 30, and you can follow it and you can have a little conversation with us there. How many followers do we have? I'm actually in the portal right now. We have 13 followers on the Arcus Exhibitor list here. I can actually shout some of them out. Andrew Calio, Chris Clough, David Liu, Jane Isaac,

20:21 Justin Edelstein: a bunch of us. Zach? Zachary Jeans. I'm not sure how to pronounce him but I'm I'm certain I will meet him in person. Patricia Orr, Matthew Lamb, a bunch of people.

Jason Atwood: Nice, nice. So it's a new take, it's not a new take because I had this last year. But my goal is for us, because you are a pretty social company here, my goal is for us to have the most followers. Are there any other things? So help us get to that goal. So the best way to find us is to log in and then just type Arcus into the search box.

Justin Edelstein: Type Arcus into the search box and you'll find it. You'll find the t-shirt contest group, which we'll talk about in a minute. And you might find some other things. I'm not sure. Let's see. What do you find when you type?

Jason Atwood: Probably find us.

Justin Edelstein: You might find us. You'll probably find some files, like our governance white papers. You find two Cloud Expo records. One's called Arcus. One's called Arcus-Delete. Not sure what that's about. Let's see. What is that one about? this looks like it might be an old one.

Jason Atwood: So delete that one, delete that one.

Justin Edelstein: Not us, someone else. And you'll find us, yeah, you'll find us, the group, some files, whatnot. So the two other new tabs, which are kind of cool for both administrators as well as developers, the Salesforce campground, I think this one's probably more focused on administrator, but you can sign up for Success Clinics, a one-on-one success clinic with a Salesforce expert to just talk about any questions that you might have, go over process, what have you. You can also add a cloud demo station to get hands-on experience from Salesforce experts so you can add that to your your calendar or your agenda. And you can sort of just select which ones you want. Like I want to look at the Service Cloud. I want to look at Radian 6. I want to see Heroku. And you can add them to your calendar.

Justin Edelstein: And then when you hop over to the Developers Zone, they have two things that they're offering this year. One's a code consultation. So you can meet one-on-one privately with somebody and go through some technical help or some technical assistance in architecting your application. And one thing that I actually would like to do is they have a developer skills assessment. So you'll get an individual one-on-one skills assessment to receive feedback on what you might want to enhance or where you might want to start and focus on taking the next step and the next level in learning how to develop on the force.com platform. It's pretty neat, pretty cool stuff.

Jason Atwood: Lots of new stuff has always, Dreamforce has always new stuff. They're expecting a lot more people this year. They've broken it down to multiple areas, which we'll see how that works. It's gonna be, the expo's basically broken up into three, I think. They broke off non-profit and they broke off financial services into two different places. And then the big room. And then the big room, which will be in the big room. Again, booth 30, hard to forget. Three zero. We will be there. Yeah, we will. We will be there probably individually. Most of the time, we're not gonna double up. We have other things to do, but one of us will be there. We'll double up at some point. At some point we'll double up. Maybe we'll put it on the podcast. So let's talk about the most important part. Let's do it. If you need to know where we are, there's only one reason you need to know where we are.

23:59 Justin Edelstein: Where we are is where to collect your Safe Harbor t-shirt. Safe Harbor t-shirt. So again, if you're in the Dreamforce portal and you use the search and you search for Arcus, you will find the Arcus t-shirt contest group. You could also click on the groups tab and just start typing Arcus and it'll show up.

Jason Atwood: What are the rules this year?

Justin Edelstein: rules are posted in the group. That's why I was mentioning how you find the group. So, again, this is a Safe Harbor t-shirt. A t-shirt that has the Safe Harbor statement on the back, or at

Jason Atwood: least a lorem ipsum version of it. Yes, a mock-up not to be sued by anybody

Justin Edelstein: working on it. That's right, with some Easter eggs in it. Yep. And it's kind of cool. We did it last year. A lot of people like the shirt, so we're doing it again. I wore mine this morning. And here's how you get one. It's four easy steps. Number one, find and join the Arcus t-shirt group on the Dreamforce portal. You will need to be a part of

Jason Atwood: this group. You got to join it. So that means for all you who are not part of

Justin Edelstein: the portal you're not gonna get a t-shirt. No. Okay. Number two, follow at Arcus Inc. on Twitter or like Arcus Inc. on Facebook. We'd like you to do

Jason Atwood: We split it out this year because some people complained last year. We actually made it both last year We split out this year some people complained that said you know I don't really use Facebook for right for that type of purpose I don't I use it more for Really friends, and I don't really want to see your stuff. You could definitely follow

Justin Edelstein: www.twitter.com slash

Jason Atwood: yes, that's true and

Justin Edelstein: number three tweet or post hashtag safe harbor t-shirt which is listed all over the place on the on the on the t-shirt group on Twitter or on the dreamforce portal either one if you

Jason Atwood: did it in both so I guess that would be that's yeah that's the thing is that again if you're not a twitterer so I guess I'm gonna change the rules up right now don't do that I'm gonna add one more thing why no I'm not anymore thing I'm saying that if you're not a Facebooker and not a tweeter meaning you don't have a Twitter account don't Facebook account if you follow the

Justin Edelstein: Arcus. No, if you don't have one of those two things, I'm not giving you a t-shirt.

Jason Atwood: All right, well I will. I just made that executive decision. Find me. I'll give you a t-shirt. And number four, you have to keep

Justin Edelstein: listening to this podcast. Yes. Not today, in the future. This is episode 55. We have probably, how many more episodes? Two or three left. We have three more episodes. We'll start with the secret password on the next, maybe the next one, maybe the one after that. We're not gonna tell you.

Jason Atwood: The whole point is that we have to... We don't know when. Good one.

Justin Edelstein: And essentially, you'll come over to the booth and you'll say the secret password to whoever's standing there. It'll probably be Roger who wrote the Google Chromebook review. Or one of us. Or one of us, or the other partner that shall remain nameless. And you will tell them the secret password. They'll make sure you did all the stuff that you're supposed to do, and they'll hand you a t-shirt. It will have a list prepared. And you'll have a good workout t-shirt.

27:01 Jason Atwood: And you have a good workout t-shirt. First come, first serve. That's right. Sizes and things won't vary. Not legal in any states. See your lawyer for all. FDIC insured. FDIC insured. After not valid anywhere. So yes.

Justin Edelstein: We need the Micro Machines guy. We have been. We will have t-shirts. Remember the Micro Machines guy? But we could run out.

Jason Atwood: And we'd run out. We're sorry. But we're going to try. So it is going to be first come, first serve. So don't expect to show up on the last day and get your t-shirt. But anyway, so that's it. We appreciate it. We love the contest and hope to see 48 members in the group already. So there you go. So join that group. Yeah, so that's using up some t-shirts there. All right, let's get to our quad focus pick of the week. Let's do it. Rolls right off the tongue. All right, so why don't you go first?

Justin Edelstein: All right, I'm going to throw the caveat out there. I have not used this product.

Jason Atwood: Let me catch that caveat. Catch it. Got it.

Justin Edelstein: I have not used this product. So that's the first thing. But it looks like something that most Salesforce administrators or business analysts or anyone who uses Salesforce quite a bit to run their company or analytics would really love. And it's called exception reporting. Sounds awesome. Sounds awesome. Exception reporting by Versatile Capitalists Inc. Okay. Okay, so what this app promises to allow you to do, and again, I haven't tried it. looks like it does it through Visualforce page by looking at the screenshots is to use you know exception logic in your reporting so show me leads without an activity or show me accounts without an activity show me accounts without opportunities right so show me the without show me the things that you know show me opportunities without products because that's what I want to see, right? I don't... the exception reporting is always the big deal within Salesforce and people are always asking like I want to see accounts that don't have activities because I want to know the ones that are being neglected or I want to see accounts and contacts without opportunities because I want to know why is this an account, why is this not a

Jason Atwood: lead or something along those lines. Huge thing on the on the ID exchange. So if

Justin Edelstein: If you go to the AppExchange and type in exception reporting or just go to the new text, it's rather new, it just came out a couple days ago or within the last week, you can check out the screenshots, you can do a test drive, it's paid. There's a free trial including setup support. I don't know what that means. It's discounted for non-profits and NGOs and there's an email for you to send questions to if you have any questions. my pick of the week again, haven't tried it, I'll probably try it in the next week or two and may report back with some findings.

Jason Atwood: You'll report back on your pick of the week from a couple weeks before? Yeah, yeah, yeah, why not? All right, well my...

30:02 Justin Edelstein: Your app looks cool. You're piggybacking off of my puffin pick from a couple weeks ago. Yes, I am.

Jason Atwood: In fact, when this came out, I thought it was your pick and I downloaded it and I thought, oh, this is the pick that he picked a couple weeks ago, let me try it. And then I looked at it and I think I couldn't remember the name of it. So I actually looked it up today to see. I went to blog.arxink.com, looked up our old podcast, and said, oh, this is different. So I actually downloaded it. This is a iPad app. It is originally called iChromie. But then four days ago, they changed the name to Diago. Diago, Diego, whatever. Dijo.

Justin Edelstein: Someone called windup that Chrome usage. Yeah. And, uh, yeah.

Jason Atwood: Someone contacted them pretty quickly. It's D-I-I-G-O. And it is a browser. It looks like a browser.

Justin Edelstein: Isn't it interesting that these browsers are popping up for the iOS devices?

Jason Atwood: I think there's a definite set of people who are finding that the Safari browser, while nice, is not doing everything they want, and they're looking for a different experience.

Justin Edelstein: So hey, people have laptops that come with browsers that are baked into the OS, and they download browsers all the time.

Jason Atwood: So I like the choice. I mean, originally with iOS, I think on the iPhone, they wouldn't even allow another browser. Now they've allowed Opera Mini.

Justin Edelstein: Well, Opera was the first, from what I remember. And I didn't like it when it came out. No, it wasn't very good. It was kind of crappy.

Jason Atwood: So anyway, this is called Diego, Diigo, Dijo, Diigo. Let's go with Diigo. Diigo, D-I-I-G-O. It is a browser. So what does it make different than Safari?

Justin Edelstein: Well, I see the Google Wave on the browser. Ah, see.

Jason Atwood: I was going to work it into the show with just that. But it's got tabs. OK, nice.

Justin Edelstein: Tabs are cool.

Jason Atwood: It's got, um.

Justin Edelstein: Tabs are coming in iOS 5, but that's cool. Yep.

Jason Atwood: So it's got a nice tabbed interface. You can add tabs. It's got the.

Justin Edelstein: It looks like Google Chrome.

Jason Atwood: It is a variant, apparently. Again, I don't know how much of it's Chrome, but it's supposed to be a variant of Google Chrome. I'm very interested why Google hasn't come out with a Chrome browser for the iPad.

Justin Edelstein: I have no idea.

Jason Atwood: It makes no sense.

Justin Edelstein: Is the, looking at an Android phone, is the Android phone browser a Chrome browser? No, it's a WebKit browser. I'm getting a head nod. No. So they don't even have a mobile browser for their own OS.

Jason Atwood: That just seems strange. Because here's what I like about it, and here's what's missing from it. So you've got tabs. Tabs are cool. You can read it later. So you can be on a tab, and if it's like one of those, you'd be on an article, and you can say, you can type the little Read It Later button. and it'll put it into your reading list. Oh, there you go. And then you have a little reading list. It's just like the new Safari. Right. Yes, like the new Safari. All right. Although it's out. So maybe it's a way to check it out first. What the nice thing is under Settings, you can say, I want this browser. Tell the rest of the world that this browser is something else. Ooh. So you can say, I want it to be iPad, Safari, mobile, Mac OS 10, Safari 5. I don't know why I just oohed that.

33:08 Justin Edelstein: It's really not a big deal.

Jason Atwood: But it is because some web's.

Justin Edelstein: Like render this differently?

Jason Atwood: No, it's basically telling the server that you're one of these.

Justin Edelstein: Right, so if I say I'm OS X Safari 5, will it render Flash?

Jason Atwood: No, because Flash has nothing to do with it. It's not a Flash thing.

Justin Edelstein: So what's the point?

Jason Atwood: Well, as we were looking at with Google Wave, if you go to Google Wave as iPad Safari browser, it renders different.

Justin Edelstein: So it renders the mobile version of the website versus the standard version.

Jason Atwood: So this is almost a way of fighting the mobile version. So you could say, so I can be sitting on the Google Wave, which renders it like it would in on the on chrome. Does it work? It well, I know you're really interested in Google Wave, no one else in the world is because it's dying. But yes, it really works. It doesn't work full, but it works much better than it does on the Safari.

Justin Edelstein: That's cool. That's reason enough for me to download it.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, it's $300. No, stop it. I was about to say, you don't even know how much it is.

Justin Edelstein: It's got to be free, yeah?

Jason Atwood: Yeah, it is free. And I think it's a good proof of concept.

Justin Edelstein: How does Salesforce work on it? Haven't tried Salesforce. How about Google Docs?

Jason Atwood: Google Docs will work just like the regular. Google Docs in a browser works great. I'm just wondering. I haven't tried that. I tried a couple websites. I was really trying Wave, because it's now my new go-to Wave reader. And what it doesn't have is it doesn't sync with Google Chrome, like all Chrome browsers have syncing now that they can pull down bookmarks and stuff like that. That would be great, because then it has this Start screen with all your recent view, which most browsers are doing now. But anyway, it's a nice little proof of concept. I'm not sure, again, when Safari 5 comes out, or Safari for iOS, or the new iOS 5 come out with Safari, I think we're going to get all those features. Maybe not the ability to hide who we are as a browser, but I think it's a nice little proof of concept. And it's got some.

Justin Edelstein: I'm looking over your shoulder, and I really like it. Yeah, it's nice.

Jason Atwood: It hides the bar when you go up. Now, I don't know if it's just the Wave or other things. It's not the fastest browser I've ever been on in my life. And I feel like- That's the slow website you're looking at. No, I've been to other browsers. I've been to other websites. That's a little unsack. In fact, this is loading pretty-

Justin Edelstein: That's actually loading fast for that website.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, it's loading pretty fast for this website.

Justin Edelstein: How does arcusync.com look on that website? Let's try it out. Or twitter.com slash arcusync.

Jason Atwood: Wow, you're just going to wrap up the whole thing right in the-

Justin Edelstein: I'm wrapping it up this way. You did dot com. That's not going to work. Well, there you go. It has-

Jason Atwood: But you see, interesting how Google renders.

Justin Edelstein: It's the first result.

Jason Atwood: You notice how it renders Google, not Google for.

Justin Edelstein: Wow, it is kind of a fast browser, actually.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, it's not bad. It's representing, you know, that sort of stuff. It's a good little thing. And again, you can render up everything. It does a pretty good job.

Justin Edelstein: I think that's pretty fast, I've got to be honest.

Jason Atwood: Well, maybe it's just that I was in Google Wave, which is pretty hefty and challenging. Wave is slow. So anyway, that's it. It's called Digo Diago DigiGo. It is available for the iPad. It is free. Check it out. Try it out. Also just nice, I'll tell you another use case for it. Tell me. If you have multiple Google accounts, like you have your Google+, and you're, let's say at work you use Google Apps, and at home you have a Gmail account, and one you have your Google Plus on, it's nice to have two browsers, so you don't have to constantly be logging in and out. On your desktop, you can easily have two browsers, but on the iPad, it's been difficult. So this is a nice, like, use it for another browser. So anyway, nice little browser, give it a shot, and that's it. So again, if you want to read the blog post about this or see any of the other past articles or all of our stuff, we will be doing a much more Dreamforce-related stuff coming up. In fact, the next three blog posts will probably be just Dreamforce. In fact, I think there'll be a reasons to attend one.

37:03 Jason Atwood: There'll probably be a predictions one. Is that one of our podcasts coming up?

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, there'll definitely be a predictions one. And including one of our- I gotta start thinking about that. I have some predictions already. Do you? Do you want to make one right now? No. Okay. Save it. So there'll be- Teaser! We'll do a podcast just about predictions right before.

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