Draw Nothing - Episode #90 of CloudFocus Weekly

Machine transcript generated in 2026 from the episode audio (Whisper speech-to-text with automatic speaker separation). Speaker labels are automatic and may be wrong in places. Timestamps shown every few minutes.

00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 90th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the second week of May, 2012

Justin Edelstein: I'm your host here for the 90th time and joining me better logo on it. Yes, the Arkus logo. And I like that it has the favorite part is that on the back it has... Oh it has the icon on the back. It has our icon. People like our icon. People like us. I like our icon. I like us. You know what? This shirt doesn't fit me anymore though. It's a little big. No. Lost a little weight. Yes. With my couch to 5k.

Jason Atwood: Maybe you need your maybe need very guns like me because I can... Fill it out. All right, let's get to the agenda. Is this the weight loss special podcast? Number 90. Number 90 Alright, we got a couple things. We got a new blog post on the summer 12 hardcore Which I think you told people in the last podcast that you're gonna make me right I did it's what you wrote I wrote it good and good job too. I like it. Thanks And then we'll talk about that some of the hardcore features in summer 12 We've got some Dreamforce news. Dreamforce news is kicking up, maybe some. Rumors. Throw rumors to the wind here. Then we also have a follow up to a conversation we had before. In a late cloud computing. I even spent, I was up early this morning.

Jason Atwood: I spent some time looking for cloud computing news. And it was. It's dry.

Justin Edelstein: It's not cloudy. It's so good. No, so we're gonna talk a little bit about it.

Jason Atwood: Yep. And that is in reference to a movement started, I think, back before Dreamforce 11, which was a movement to get Salesforce to really start to pay attention to core functionality. And so by core functionality, we mean things that have sort of either objects that have existed forever, or features and functions that have kind of been, I don't want to say half baked, but sort of built, but then left alone, neglected maybe. like solutions probably the most neglected object out there or maybe contracts or products products you're right so these are all things that have you know sort of been neglected and and they're part of the you know they are part of the core feature function although accounts

Justin Edelstein: Contacts opportunities leads are really I've had some fun with products the last week or so with a client where I. Had to do some interesting formulas and workflow rules to do some workarounds for getting things from opportunity products rolled up to opportunities. I've been just futzing around with products more and more and realizing some of the limitations of them is sort of sad. Like I wanted to. I wanted to create an email template that included some of the opportunity products related to the opportunity that I'm sitting on You can't do that. So it's like conga. Yeah, I mean but conga to create a document right not to create an email I wanted to just create I didn't want to die. He's just want an email.

03:45 Jason Atwood: Yeah, it's like I don't Feel like large hammer to yeah,

Justin Edelstein: I mean to to reference Mike Gerhold and the button click admin credo. I don't want to write Visualforce to get things that I shouldn't have to write Visualforce to get.

Jason Atwood: Right. I could tell you a company that can write some Visualforce. Well, yeah. But that's not the point. But it is true. We tried to explain this, and actually I'll do it in a rat hole. We've already gone down the rat hole, so you may as well go deeper into another one. I'm going to dig into it. It's going to be like a- It's gonna be bigger than a rat hole. So I got a question, I'm a big fan of Cora, I know you are, which is a, for those of you out there who don't know Cora, Cora is sort of the, it's an answers community, but for everything, so for anything. And I really love the interface, I love the system, the way, you know, you can sign in with all your social networking.

Jason Atwood: There's some interesting ways to do anything, people can ask you to answer things.... You have topics and then you basically can give your bio of that topic, which is my favorite part of it Which is so I'm a big GTD guy, OmniFocus guy, Salesforce guy, but for each one of those topics, I don't have to say It's not my generic bio, it's my bio about why I know about this topic, like basically my specific topic. Like New York Jets You can just go way out of left field and be like I am a sports person. Right I can go across all these talks. Anyway, I got a couple today. So there's lots of features. Actually, I think Salesforce should look at Cora in terms of the model. I think that would be, they could really spruce up answers and ideas if they did that.

Jason Atwood: Some of that stuff, asking people to answer things, getting points for answering. It's all sorts of neat stuff. Anyway, I got a question today talking about a rat hole. Out. what's the cost of Salesforce? It's probably someone who's looking at it, and I thought, you know what, I'll just take it. Someone asked me to answer it, so I'm like, eh, fine, I'll get my 18 points. And I went down that- Maybe improve your clout score, perhaps. Well, clout doesn't take Corey yet, but they will. That's a bummer. They will, and when they do, my cost score's gonna go through the roof. They should. That's a bummer, because- It's coming, it's on their path. It should be. All right, keep going. Anyway, and it was really about the true cost of Salesforce and they said implementation versus licensing, and so I just threw out numbers.

Jason Atwood: I basically said, here's what you're going to hear from most anybody. Licensing is licensing, and implementations are basically quoted from Salesforce as half licensing for the first year. So if you were to buy, it's about right. I did the math a couple of different times on some of our implementations, and then I said, and here's all these things that can make that go much lower, much higher. You know, training. With how much customization? Are you writing applications, right? And that's where the rattle I was going with is, you know, a, a visual force template, email template. it. building a template that's a regular template, like an email configure template It's basically a That gap, while you can do a lot with Apex and Visualforce, the gap between configuration and, you know, sort of the cost expander or the time expander, I think for us is cost and time is the same.

07:22 Jason Atwood: But for most people, the time expander is huge and also expertise. So, anyway, I thought that was interesting, Brad Hall.

Justin Edelstein: Let's go back to the stuff. Why don't we go back to your blog post. Yeah, let's go back to my blog post. And the four, I think I gave you four and you, I think... fifth one. I threw in the one that I have the most interesting. The one that you're most interested in. Yeah, I think it fits within the theme. I'll give you my favorite of the one that we don't like to give away. Everything's we want to make you go read it. Blog everything dot com. What he said. Blog reg. Right. So my favorite of these five that you've listed out. is wow I mean those top three are all just so great yeah they bring so much to the table I'm gonna pick the second one administrator logins I mean this is such a this is such a useful admin privilege to be able to log in as any user within the org without having to ask them to give you permission to do so because that that whole debugging and demystifying like when someone says something's not working right and having to go back to them and and tell them text expander to tell them how to to give me login access as them.

Justin Edelstein: I almost wrote that in the blog post that you have to give

Jason Atwood: Up your text expander because it's no longer needed.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I mean it's such a it's such an annoying thing to ask an end user to then have they've already they're already, annoyed right already something's not working for them and already you've probably gone back and forth twice Because they've said to you it's not working and you've had to say okay What is not working and then they have to explain in more detail? what is not working and then you have to go back and say oh I can't reproduce that go through these four or five steps so that I can log in as you and they most

Jason Atwood: Now, they've changed the interface from the last. In spring, they changed it. Are there privacy or data concerns about this? Because when you're logged into somebody, anything you do is through them. You are really taking over their person-ship. So if you go, say something for approval, if you go update something, all that. And again, throwing it out there, is done by the person. So this is kind of creates where before you had asked for permission, they would give it to you so they knew that you would log in as them. Now, I can log in as admin, I can log in as anybody without asking for permission. Is there a concern, a privacy concern, a meddling concern, a even so much as, I mean not really data because obviously system admin has managed all data.

10:25 Jason Atwood: Fuel Manager, Edit All, whatever, Global. But it's more of the auditing side or stuff like that. What do you think?

Justin Edelstein: I feel like that's why you have to ask Salesforce to get this turned on. Like it's probably inherent on, if you're that type of organization that cares that deeply about that kind of thing, this is one of those features that... goes through a security audit before it gets turned on. Right. It has to sign off on the fact that this feature can be turned on. So, if someone that says, no, no, no, no, you can't do that. I mean, it's sort of a, I mean, it's like, well, okay then, it's no different than the person, I mean, I guess the only difference is, I was gonna say it's no different than the person letting you log in as them anyway. The only difference is they've not... They know that they've let you do it. Yeah, and there's a time period there's a time period they can end it They can say oh for the next five days, whatever, right?

Justin Edelstein: I feel like that's why this is a turn-it-on feature because the people the the organizations that care about that kind of thing are going to

Jason Atwood: But the have a say about the compliance about this I still relent I'm sure the person you can. Ask is the system admin They turn it on. They can then do anything they want. It's kind of like, yeah, I don't know. I wish, and what I'd like to see is sort of, again, I know this set up audit trail, so that's tracking what you're doing, but I think from a compliance-compliant standpoint, you almost want to see that it's not the person that did the work, that it's the person as someone else. It's the person logged in as. I'm really thinking about approvals or even or data, adding or deleting data, because yeah, you're not really doing it. recent items. But nothing else I touch. I almost want to be like, to be another component that I could another component that I could throw on my regular All right.

13:35 Jason Atwood: That's it go to blog timing see if there's a couple others one that's really is game changing I'm not gonna tell you it's game changing changer go to Block.Rk-a-sync.com to find the game changingness of it all. That's right. All right. We have some Dreamforce news we do And tons of emails about it. I don't know if you've getting your emails. I'm getting mine Mm-hmm. Oh, I've got a gnarly sure pre pre register

Justin Edelstein: And, and the' I the,

Jason Atwood: -, and

16:46 Justin Edelstein: And, the, I Yeah I just feel like the first time he spoke close to 10,000 people.

Jason Atwood: Now like 40,000 I think they're kind of banking on that right the 12,000 that of The 5,000 that are left, that'll go again You know, they'll be like oh whatever we saw it spill seed again that that I mean I'll go see him He wasn't amazing. He was a great inspiration some of them. I mean, well, I think glad well is really one I've always

Justin Edelstein: Gladwell and Powell have been my two favorite special keynote speakers. I was thoroughly unimpressed by Bill Clinton. I think that had to do with the rush and the timing and the... I thought his content was too political. It was off. It was off. It just didn't work for me in the context of that. Side note go on rattle.

Jason Atwood: We've done a few of those a lot of people have complained This is a dream force rattle a lot of people have complained This is actually a media broadcasting thing where you don't actually name sources you just say a lot of people and again Yeah, a lot of people like many most. People like at least six most people have complained at sales And specifically, Benioff gets too political at this conference. I see that. That's a tech conference and that they have said that it kind of turned them off to both the product and to the conference.

Justin Edelstein: I totally get where most people would come from when they say that. Some people, a lot of people. Here's the thing about Mark Benioff. Your buddy? My buddy Mark. and he He makes no bones about his own personal beliefs. He throws them out there. He, at times, throws them in your face. And it's because he's sort of a, I don't think he thinks of it as a tech conference. I think he thinks of it as a, The eighth conference? No, more of like a thought shifting conference, where it's It's more than about the technology sales force. It's always been a trailblazing, we're pushing our agenda thing. And our agenda is cloud computing, and that's before it's cool, and we're doing it. And now our agenda is social enterprise, and that's before it was cool, and we're doing it.

Justin Edelstein: And in part of that, it's like, all right, it's sorta no longer a tech conference, and he- has this motivation that's sort of political within a within a Within a vert like I want to say a vertical but within a market within technology he has a Stance and a position and it sort of just translates into The way that he thinks about things and for one reason or another it comes out should it come out Probably not he should probably keep his political thoughts to himself.

20:09 Jason Atwood: But it doesn't come out. I mean he's hired impersonators He's it's not coming out. It's not like I know he's not a slip of the tongue like no, no, no But you know, hey welcome to dream forest vote Brock. It's more of like here's an impersonator to make fun of a political party right

Justin Edelstein: Or Well, I mean, that's that's I think some people take that the wrong way. I don't know if it should be taken.

Jason Atwood: There's only one way. If you're on the other side of it, then it's only one way to take it.

Justin Edelstein: Not really. I mean, you watch you.

Jason Atwood: You put a call aside once we got religious once we went in there and got. Well, he has sort of.

Justin Edelstein: I've never talked about his his like. trips to Asia and being meeting with monks and things of that nature.

Jason Atwood: I'm talking about like religion like really talking about religion. What happens if we talked about cloud computing in connection with God? I don't know. Wouldn't it just... Listen, he does a great job, and I'm sure what he would say is, listen, I've been doing this, this is what I do, and this is a company I am, and you don't like it, don't use us. I'm sure he would be that kind of straightforward. I think he is that...

Justin Edelstein: Again, he's pushing a movement.

Jason Atwood: But if you can push a technology movement without pushing a political movement, they are too...

Justin Edelstein: Cloud computing, social enterprise... But guess what? He's connected them. In his brain... But in his brain, he's connected. At all. Fine, but to him they are. Yeah that's crazy. Well that's your opinion. Yeah. To him and a lot of people don't like it. And that's fine. Talk to people who were upset.

Jason Atwood: Like really upset. I'm totally there with ya. Some people were told that some people were. I'm right there. And when you're in on the joke and I think my point is that he thinks he's a little bit in more of a bubble like that he surrounded by people of like kind. And he needs to consider that he maybe is not surrounded by his people's like kind and that You know in an organization that is about sales and you know I've read a lot of sales books and I've gone through a lot of sales stuff One of the things they talk about in sales is there are things you don't talk about in sales, right? Fight Club being one but There are some topics that are just voodoo topics. You don't go into them. Weather sports, travel, great.

Jason Atwood: The other three don't talk about. I'm not even going to mention them because the mic would explode. So you don't talk about it. The snowball is indestructible. So last piece on Dreamforce before we go. is I was gonna, is I was going to talk a little bit about our, our Dreamforce planning. We have been doing some Dreamforce. I'm looking at the whiteboard right now with our Dreamforce planning. It's written. Right. Oh, there it is. Yeah. All right. So we have been doing some Dreamforce planning. We have a booth this year, again, a little bit bigger. Yeah. Twice the size. I don't know, twice the cost. Twice the size. I won't tell the cost on the air, but bring it. Yeah, so we're going to be there again. We're thinking of what we should do in terms of giveaways and stuff like that.

23:17 Jason Atwood: It'll be, it's interesting, it's fun to start planning. We're already starting to plan. So again, if you're a crazy person, thinking about going to Dreamforce, at the very least, you got to go. We will actually be doing something very specific to CloudFocus Weekly. there as well. So if you're a listener, which you are, we will be doing some specific stuff around CloudFocus Weekly that I think will be fun. So that's the tease that we can start at the four months in advance. Five months. All right, last piece of little news, just to kind of follow up because we talked about it on one of the podcasts, which was that Draw Something got bought by And it was a pick. Zynga? You got it. Ahh, got it. Finally. And it was a pick. And basically, since it's gotten bought, it's just the daily user base, which was up to almost 15 million daily users, has dropped down.

Jason Atwood: Now, it's gone from 15 million daily users to about 10 million daily users. Does this surprise you at all?, All right, Raul. No, it doesn't surprise me at all and it's

Justin Edelstein: And it has nothing to do with Zynga either literally nothing I'm not sure literally nothing. I think It has nothing to do with Zynga Most people have no idea who owns what owns what that they're using It still says OMG pop on it some people nothing to do some people think that has something to do it I'm not one of those people I played it and then I stopped It was boring. How about you?

Jason Atwood: You still playing it? No, I would say that's why I put it as a story because it struck me that I was big into like eight games. I really enjoyed it. But then it hit this wall for me and it hit this wall of enjoyment where I was like, yeah, I'm not. And interesting enough, I've gone back to other games that I like playing. I'm actually gonna make, I don't know if I made it a pick but I'm gonna make it my side pick. I'll do it now. So if you have not played, it's on sale this weekend or this week. Ooh. really just got your attention with sale. Yeah, sale. $1.99 was too much, $0.99's good. Perfect.

Justin Edelstein: Kingdom Rush. Is that the one you were showing me? Where you have to protect the little areas with the guys?

Jason Atwood: Kingdom Rush by Iron Hired Games. they came out, I've gone back and played it some more, because they came out with like one more level, and it's just so absolutely addicting and awesome. That is the one you showed me, right? Where guys try and get through the thing, but you have to put people in the way. It's actually a Flash-based game, you can go play it on the web, you don't even have to play it on the iOS, but it's wonderful on the iPad. It is just. That's it for this video. Wonderful and I it looked fun. There's one so it's now 99 cents. It's dropped down. I think they're working on a Kingdom much too. It is just so much fun. It's fun to listen to it's funny. It's got a humor It's it's like everything you want in a game and every match takes it where we bored takes about I Don't know ten minutes.

Jason Atwood: It's like a great subway game. It's a great like waiting for someone game anyway Kingdom rush go please

26:20 Justin Edelstein: Go out and get it immediately it's not my pick of the week this article though that you that you picked to talk about this draw something really is very much about like sort of smashing Zynga and I really think it has nothing to do with Zynga at all the fact that That the user base of draw something is dipped like I just don't feel like it has anything to do with Zynga I mean maybe a tiny little percentage of geeks out there Rebelle against the fact that omg pop this cool startup that did this game got bought out by the monster who owns all gaming on Facebook which a year ago by the way was a little startup.

Jason Atwood: Exactly. So that's the cyclical Sort of stupidity of the internet if no one doesn't buy Madden because of cuz on my right exactly everybody if you want Madden or no one doesn't buy Mist or not mist halo or right going on my game stuff like Yeah, the maker of the game.

Justin Edelstein: I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that single person I think it has to do it the game is addicting or Little short time and then it stops.

Jason Atwood: It doesn't have it doesn't have it doesn't have elasticity There's no once you've done it once you start doing the same words.

Justin Edelstein: I know they've done new words now Oh, I get these stupid notifications. Yes new words like I haven't played you in like months. There you go. Stop it And I feel bad cuz there's some games that kind of left in the middle But like I also felt like the more games you got involved in that's when I stopped it was like too much yeah I enjoyed having like three games going but then I had like eight or nine games going with different people and some people were more into it than others so they'd like as soon as I'd play it boom they were like playing it in that moment it's like oh man I feel compelled like I have to pray do this because they're playing now and it has nothing to do with Zynga it's one of those it was a flash in the pan although I was reading another article not this one about Draw Something and its decline funny how the internet works where stories go come out like this and then there's a bunch of them it follows the same trend statistically that all of Zynga's most popular and profitable games.

Justin Edelstein: They start out, they peak, they dip, and then they plateau, and they make lots of money on it.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, I still think that they paid a lot for it, but again, and what the article says is, it's on, oh by the way, it's on Touch Arcade, which is, if you want to follow an IOS gaming blog, put it in your Google Reader. Touch Arcade's the one, huh? Touch Arcade, awesome. awesome gaming blog. They come out with tons of stuff. They tell you what's coming out. They tell you what's on sale. It's actually built by the same guys who do Mac Rumors.

Justin Edelstein: It looks a lot nicer than Mac Rumors. No, it just looks nicer.

Jason Atwood: Same thing. But Mac Rumors, great site. Been around for, I don't know. 10 years they built this one iOS gaming they do a podcast yes they do I have not listened to it they do a podcast yes they do all right so let's let's go to our picks of the week okay by the way so you go first for the 90th time go first all right I picked a iOS app

29:40 Justin Edelstein: Called I on lowercase I I heart radio and I heart radio is I don't know who makes it off to find that out for you it's free it's not it's there's an iPhone and an iPad version they're both free not universal kind of weird I don't like when people do that don't don't go that don't do that don't you ever so just do come on but it's a really cool app it is just like Pandora so we- same. basically that same thing you type in an artist you type in a song it starts playing it great it has nice features for like You can create like use a slider to say I really like this or I Or play more like this or a little bit more like this or a lot more like this not just up or down It's like not just there is up or down, but there's also like a slider that says oh I'm in the mood for this type of music now Versus don't play this type of music now So it's not so it's not saying so

Jason Atwood: That's the thing about Pandora is I might have heard this song because Pandora is a little bit repetitive on the station that I go to and I might down it because not because not or skip it not because I don't like it That's because I've heard it for heard it. I don't want to hear it again, but you're saying like this one it says As a little slider.

Justin Edelstein: Radio stations. So local ones from all over the country. So you can use your location and it says, oh you're in New York. And it pulled like 15 different... Can you get 10 10 wins? I don't think 10 10 was on there, but 105... I don't listen to radio. K2 was on there, yeah. So that was on there. There was a bunch of music stations on there, there was a bunch of am stations on there did not have any of the sports talk it didn't have ESPN radio or the fan but a lot of them are protected yeah they don't like they have their own feeds that they do they don't want you okay but a really nice app to do two things one listen to music that you would normally do on in a Pandora like service right and also listen to the real radio if you'd like to really listen to the real radio which has commercials and things so I don't know why you would But it has the best of both worlds.

Justin Edelstein: Well, no radio says a news and if it's local and it's like what's going on? Or if you're an expat, you're from the west coast and you want to listen to your California radio station, you just hop in and you can play it. And it's free.

32:44 Jason Atwood: I will tell you that when the hurricane hit us back in New York, we had to evacuate our apartment. So I had to go upstate and evacuate. my whole living area and went up like two hours away and I wanted to be able to listen. I didn't want to watch CNN anymore. I was getting bored. I wanted to hear locally what was going on. So I tried to get the 1010 wins which is for New Yorkers the new station is the new is New York new stations like that's what I wanted and it was I was surfing and it was It was so hard to get an app on that would just give me 10-10 wins. Like, okay, you could use the Flash version, but you couldn't get it on the iPad, and I was very painful.

Jason Atwood: I'm going to see now if 10-10 wins is part of your picks. So my pick of the week, I already gave you one, which is Kingdom Rush. Go get it immediately. really. The second one is the opposite of Kingdom Rush. So all in new Vogue now is Charles Broccoli, right? Charles Broccoli commercials? For what? For Weight Watchers? For men? Yes. Weight Watchers. So there's a whole new thing about Weight Watchers for men. My wife uses Weight Watchers to maintain her weight. I've used Weight Watchers to... to lose weight or maintain weight. Justin here is a shadow of his former self because of Weight Watchers.

Justin Edelstein: It's kind of funny that you are using this as your pick because I literally cancelled my Weight Watchers subscription this week.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, Weight Watchers itself is expensive. I'll tell you why I use this one. But so Weight Watchers, whatever. It's a point system and one of the things is it has a calculation. but you can take basically anything and figure out what the points value and then you get so many points per day and it kind of just makes life easy. But sometimes they figure out what the points are, it's a little bit difficult. It's hard to, you know, it's a calculation. So they give you scanners, they give you books or whatever. So this is an iOS app called Weight Watcher Scanner and basically it'll scan the barcode of any product and you scan it. And then it'll tell you how many points it is. So you can be sitting, so I was actually, I'll give you an example, and the reason I made this my pick.

Jason Atwood: I was buying taco chips. You know. You love chips. Oh, I love chips. So I was buying taco chips. I was looking at toasty those chocolate chips, and so I picked up two bags, and they're called tortilla chips tortilla chips So I call it taco chips And I turn them around not could just buy hard-shelled tacos and crunch them I'm up those are not as good So I turn them around and I was looking there like I was just like oh which one of these should I buy? And I was like I don't know let's get the one that's the lower and fat whatever you know the more healthy one So I scan or the less unhealthy one so I scan one And then I scan the other and lo and behold one of them 14 chips three points one of them Seven chips four points.

Jason Atwood: Oh gotta go with the 14 chip three. I mean, it's not even close I mean here's so the app just instantly tells you it's

Justin Edelstein: Great It's a great app that accurate though Cuz you were looking at the fat and the this and the that and you couldn't you know We couldn't tell any difference

35:44 Jason Atwood: About ounces and it's about how many per serving whatever. So anyway The nice thing is, you don't have to download this app? Well, you need to have a Weight Watch subscription to use it. Oh, I don't have that anymore. I just cancelled it. I use my wife's. So then I don't have a Weight Watch subscription because she likes going to meetings. I never went to meetings, but I just use her login information and it's great. Anyway, Weight Watch Scanner. If you are someone who is, you know... looking for a way to maintain again, it's not even just you know, you're a big person need to lose weight It's a great way to maintain your weight or just to reset your you know reset your goals Weight Watchers is great But Weight Watchers scanner is a great app.

Jason Atwood: So that's it. So that was a good little we've made something out of nothing All right, so go to blog.arkusinc.com and read more about our nothing or something. Follow us on Arkus Inc, twitter.com, slash Arkus Inc, twitter.com, slash Jason Atwood, and twitter.com, slash Just Eddlesene here. You can go to facebook.com, slash Arkus Inc, where we post all of our news. We're also on Google Plus. and we and if you want to subscribe to the podcast itunes is one of the great ways to do it also instacast which we talk about almost every week came out with a new version love it love it really great if you're a podcast listener you got to use instacast you totally have to download that really i mean i listen to a lot of podcasts i'm picking it again next week you can pick it you can pick the iphone version it's a different version i'm gonna pick the iphone version then yeah you picked instacast hd instacast hd yeah i only listened to things on my iPad.

Jason Atwood: Alright, that's it. And as we say always for the last 90 times, until next week, enjoy those cloudy days.

Justin Edelstein: You