Real Exploration - Episode #175 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 175th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the last week of April 2014. This episode is titled Real Exploration. CloudFocus Weekly is brought to you by Arkus and we are hiring. If you are a Salesforce consultant and want to be part of a unique and growing company, send your resume to careers at arkusinc.com. I'm your host, Jason Atwood, joining me, the unhired co-host of CloudFocus Weekly, who just gave me the look of why you got to start off like that. Is Justin, Justin, how you doing?

Justin Edelstein: Unhired? Unhired. What is that? Does that mean you're fired? Yeah, too many vacations. Vacations? Yep. I've been taking a vacation all year. You've taken two. Eek. Marriage. What's that supposed to mean? I'm just going to use the next four podcasts to make fun of you getting married. But you're already married. Whatever. What is the making fun of? I don't know. Just fun. What exactly are you making fun of?

Jason Atwood: What precisely are you making fun of? The list is so long. Oh my god. Yeah, we won't get into it. But speaking of which, we have an agenda today, as we have most podcasts. For some of these podcasts in the next four weeks, some will sound like we just did them and they'll be very timely and others will feel like They're like time capsules and they'll be so perfect. We're not even going to tell you which ones are which. Right. This one could be. This one could be real. It could be fake. Now, I feel like in the beginning of every podcast, we'll be like, yeah, this one's in the future. This one's real. Right. So, Justin's going on his honeymoon. Congratulations. So, we are going to be trying to put... We're going to try to bank some podcasts.

Jason Atwood: We have some suggestions. Thank you. I have a couple of suggestions. Thank you. And we will go through If you have a suggestion, actually go to the Success Community. Justin posted a questionnaire. Go to the CloudFocus Weekly Community Group. And actually put in, he asked a question. So just tell us what you'd like to hear, what you'd like us to cover while Justin's away. Right.

Justin Edelstein: Before I go away. Before you go away. While I'm away. But then while you're away. We'll publish the podcast. So there'll be something to publish. I look forward to downloading them while I'm away.

Jason Atwood: I hope you don't, because you'll be your Wi-Fi. I'll be on Wi-Fi. It'll cost like a billion dollars an hour. No, I'll be on hotel Wi-Fi. It'll be a billion dollars an hour. No. Like, Fen. No. I'm gonna tell everybody where you're going.

Justin Edelstein: Fenness will be fine. All right. I actually have a plan. Really? Yeah. I have a plan of attack. Okay, excellent.

Jason Atwood: My plan of attack is to talk about our agenda. Let's do it. We have our blog post of the week of the de jour, which is up on blog.arcasync.com, and evaluation of quick tools, which made the goody list. How's that? Maybe we'll talk about the goody list. There's a huge flaw in the internet explorer. It's kind of rocking the little browser world out there, if you deal with the cloud. And Netflix becomes a real channel. Lastly, Dreamforce registration open. Open. That's a ripple effect. So, then we'll do our CloudFocus app pick of the week and then we out. We actually have an interesting one coming up. One of our podcasts in the next two, three, four weeks will be interesting because we have a topic we're going to dive into that we're going to be doing tomorrow, which we're not going to talk about today, but we're going to talk about after we do it tomorrow, probably next week or maybe on Friday.

03:32 Jason Atwood: We'll record the one that will come out weeks from now. So if you can figure that out. This is a blog post to correspond with. Send an email to timetraveleratarkasync.com and I'll respond.

Justin Edelstein: You know what's funny? It's funny that someone will respond to that in the future.

Jason Atwood: I figured out how you were talking about things in the future. First up. blog.arkusinc.com and evaluation of quick tools. So a intrepid blogger who seems to be the evaluation blogger. I don't know why you've got her on the,

Justin Edelstein: It's every one she does. I changed it up because I realized that that that's what I was doing to her. And I of course said I gotta stop making you write. college papers like, like she's the one who ends up like going to the app exchange and finding like, here's top five tools to do this, or here's how to integrate the Sales I. With why so she got the click tools. One, I think it's cause she's been working on a couple of click tools projects. So it was part of. what it's, you know, how to do certain things, creating surveys, mapping it to Salesforce, And I think before then. and It is the Congo's they, gets 4.7 out of 10. That'll be pretty bad. That would be 390 reviews, even to get that many people to view you.

Justin Edelstein: You've got something the other day for a client on the app exchange.

Jason Atwood: And I found something and had a lot of views. And I said that that alone, because again, we've had apps out there for years. We asked reviews, and I feel like some, you know, I think the permission has like. 30 and I think the compliance locker has like 11 or something. Even that, you to know how much work it takes to get to that. So to have 300 is a lot. But it's obviously an app exchange.

06:39 Justin Edelstein: It's not forced. It's not, You know, one of the things I was surprised about click tools L Yeah, but that's the thing. Yeah, but that's the thing. That's the thing. That's the thing H I I think. field to like all that multi stuff but you know known very well reviewed survey application, on the app exchange. So looking to do some I believe it's what Salesforce themselves uses for surveys. Okay. I believe when I've seen them do surveys for things, I think it's quick tools.

Jason Atwood: Bye. Something like that. Cool, well that's at blog.arcasync.com as well as almost everything else. Going back almost four years. I went, I, sorry, Arkus, the Twitter account, not me, because that's not, I'm not the person who controls that account. Let's.- let's not get that wrong. I went, Arkus, I just did it again, went back to the first blog post and it was about, So, And I posted it the other day, did it a third time, and not going to get very good at this. But yeah, it was like using Google Wave or GTD scrums in project management was our first blog post. I wonder who wrote that one. Yeah, back in July of 2010. Come upon four years. Even a blog that's open for four years is crazy. Four years is a blog, which is a weekly blog.

Jason Atwood: So on the bottom, you can just go back and go back in time and hit like 37. You go back to the beginning. And you can even listen to the first... CloudFocus Weekly which is called launch probably terrible probably was although maybe not so bad i don't know who knows yeah we had we had the mics and we had one i think we shared in Internet Explorer, so it's on Time magazine, so you gotta know it's for reals. Microsoft admits to huge security flaw in Internet Explorer. The big thing about this was it was every version. It wasn't like nine or seven

Justin Edelstein: Or six or five or four, three, two, one. Those versions you shouldn't be using and versions that you'd expect to be using. Back to six. IE6, good old IE6. Which I don't want to support anymore. I don't think 7 or 8 are even supported by much of anything at this point. I'm not really certain what this does. I read over the article. I don't really necessarily get it, although, you know, there's a vulnerability that allows people to access information.

10:18 Jason Atwood: Sounds bad. And it was funny because in the browser wars, which, I mean,

Justin Edelstein: That was the most surprising part. Sorry. Was showing. Was that it showed that while their market shares dropped immensely It 10% of browser usage is IE 10%. Remember when it was like 85, 90 more than that? And it was like, you know, Oh, there's Mozilla out there. And then Google came with Chrome. Safari was out on the PC. It's still like. It's like nothing.

Jason Atwood: It's like, almost nobody uses it. Chrome has done an amazing job of, Chrome and Apple. I mean, Apple does well because it's just built in and they have, they basically have this huge market share in iPads and iPhones. Yeah, the mobile. And then Chrome does a great job of the desktop. But again, it's a choice for S and they earned such a bad rep for so many years of just being buggy and slow and not having the features. And now with Chrome, just sort of, you know, which I don't think IT people love that Chrome auto updates.

Justin Edelstein: It's certainly- No, you can't like that. Oh,

Jason Atwood: That new thing is there or ooh, that thing is there, but it's,

Justin Edelstein: You know- I can't even open Gmail in my Chrome browser. I get a loop error. Really? Really?

Jason Atwood: So what do you open it up then? So far?

Justin Edelstein: It doesn't even open. I can't open Gmail in my Chrome browser. I don't understand it. I use them both constantly.

Jason Atwood: I mean, I just use Chrome or just constantly open. I flip the Firefox. Firefox for my personal Google account. That's it. Yeah. And I'll partner portal on the Firefox because for a while there, it remembered it, the passwords. The only one I don't want to have it be a partner portal password So far has gotten much better about passwords actually I've noticed that Safari and the mobile syncing of passwords has gotten much better It's working all over the place. I go into my pad It's like it's got my passwords for everything and I and I both go yes, and then I go ooh wait that means everybody Yeah, lock this down. Yeah, lock this down Well, I don't know browser world's the word is over No one's really come I mean opera came and go And how many different browsers have tried to come out browsers?

Jason Atwood: Rob melt yeah Remember that the social browser social browser Social but Firefox. I think it's just slowly dying It's really down to ie Safari and Chrome.

Justin Edelstein: Yep. That's it. I don't think there's many PC users who choose Safari You're making a choice on a PC, right? It doesn't ship with anything. It ships with IE.

Jason Atwood: Doesn't it doesn't iTunes install Safari for you, though, when you download iTunes? I have no idea. I think it does.

Justin Edelstein: It'd be smart if it did. It installs QuickTime. I know that. I think it does. I don't think it does Safari. I think it does because that's what it renders. Because I'm not my parallels. Yeah. I have iTunes installed and I don't have Safari. Not Safari. Not Safari. All right.

13:24 Jason Atwood: Yeah, they're both, I mean, it's just rock solid. Anyway, well, for the last 10%, get off of IE.

Justin Edelstein: Stop using IE. Don't use it. Wait for a patch. It's bad for you.

Jason Atwood: And then you posted this just moments ago. Because we love us some streaming.

Justin Edelstein: Yes. Netflix has reached an agreement with three smaller cable companies for now. for the first time that will let us subscribers watch the streaming video service content as though it were an ordinary cable channel. So you and I actually are on one of these smaller three cable providers, you can name the name of the second. I'm going to R C N, N what just stands for what? Oh, regional cable. Something network network. I probably does. I have no idea there. Anyway, it's on RCN grande communications and at land broadband. So users who have one of those three cable set top boxes will be able to go to a channel on their cable box, and all of a sudden you'll be in what is essentially the Netflix app. Okay, just on the TV so still still still liking it you need to have what what both of us have which is the TiVo Box from the cable company so you and I have TiVo.

Justin Edelstein: It's not a TiVo box that you'd go buy at Best Buy It's TiVo from the cable company, so it's like RCN's version of TiVo, right so on our specific box We have this now. I think it's for us, it's channel 450. Okay. And basically it's like, you know, I feel like HBO should be a doing this. it's like instead of having HBO on demand and having to go through a whole menu of on demand stuff, I should be able to go to, you know, a channel and be in HBO. Like here I am, I'm on HBO Go. And now I just navigate around as though like I don't need my I don't need my Apple TV to go into HBO Go. I just hit a channel and I'm there. I mean, why do I need HBO?

Justin Edelstein: The channels, I really only need HBO Go, and if they could just throw that on my TV. then I'm good.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, not really, because HBO Go doesn't have no because HBO channels have scheduled content, whereas HBO Go doesn't schedule anything.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, but who cares, I watch for that, I watch for that, I watch it, I don't need their schedule. What do you, I don't need the 23rd time of pitch perfect to watch it anyway.

Jason Atwood: 51 states, 300 times in a row.

Justin Edelstein: I think this, this is a very interesting step in a direction that I like. You basically have to be a subscriber of Netflix and you have to be a subscriber of these cable providers with the specific set top box. That's how it's gonna work at the moment. And it has worked overseas. They've tried this in the UK and I think a couple other places. That's where the overseas are UK? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's C, okay. Yeah, so for those of you in the UK. Where you are. Where you are. You know, I think this is really interesting. You turn to a channel and boom, you're in Netflix, the channel. And basically it's the app and you just navigate around. And if the navigation is better or easier than it is on the Apple TV. I mean, it's certainly easier for folks like me who don't have super remotes like you, where you just press a button and boom, you're in kind of super remote Apple TV mode, but still you have to navigate to Netflix once you're in.

17:01 Justin Edelstein: Apple TV, you got to load a Netflix, but it has all the just like four or five zero and I'm boom. I'm in Netflix.

Jason Atwood: That's well for you to be easier. Right. But I wonder if the if the have you now have you tried it?

Justin Edelstein: No, I just read about it today because it came out today.

Jason Atwood: So I mean, I guess I haven't been home to play around. My issue is that we have an issue here because mostly when these companies do these built in things, they usually make them look terrible. And they're. they operate terrible. RCN is our IKable provider. We have TiVo. But like whenever they do like the video, like even the RCN video on demand is the interface and the way to get to it, even though it's supposed to be TiVo esque is terrible. It like stops and starts and it's like it flips around. It just doesn't feel it feels so disjointed. Whereas I know I'm an Apple fanboy, but when you go to Apple TV, that's what's nice about Apple TV's version of Netflix. It feels like Apple TV version of Netflix. It's different. I'm going to play a little bit of a Deaf here.

Jason Atwood: Yeah.

Justin Edelstein: While the RCN version of Netflix might feel disjointed. Yeah. Because it doesn't work exactly like the rest of your RCN. And I don't even know this as a fact, we're just...... postulating here. That's all we do. Why do you listen to this? The Apple TV itself is disjointed from the rest of your television watching. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's the same difference. You're still just just come by by right jumping over to another. But when you're there,

Jason Atwood: Does it feel when you're in that interface? Well, I'm in the Netflix interviews on interface on Apple TV with my one quick quick quick quick quick quick quick quick quick quick quick Because I have to remote. It then feels, it then the interface to go through and to pick and to choose and to search is good.

Justin Edelstein: Whereas... I beg to differ. Searching isn't great unless you're using your iPhone as the remote. Why aren't you? Well then you've got two remotes, not your super remote. You've got your super remote just to flip over, and then you've got your iPad or your iPhone. Definitely put in search, yeah. To search. So it's not the greatest. Totally the greatest. It's really not. No. And your whole thing of disjointedness, you've already disjointed yourself. You've moved yourself from one platform to another, one interface to another. I just smacked something by accident.

Jason Atwood: That chair did nothing to you. Ow, it really hurt. Get out of your chair.

Justin Edelstein: You know, you've already disjointed yourself. You've already moved from one paradigm to another. You've had to turn off one device, turn on another device. You've... I think going just like, alright, I'm flipping through the guide. And then, oh look, Netflix. Right. Enter or select and boom, I'm in Netflix. Now, I don't know what it looks like. I'm hoping it looks like at the very least like the Roku or or the Apple. I mean, if they're smart, they'd model it after one of those two experiences. I mean, without the without the remote app on your phone, that Apple TV searching is pretty.

20:11 Jason Atwood: Yeah, they're pretty bad. How horrible. Speaking of which, I'm gonna throw another article in here, or another thing. We never got to talk about this because I was on Vaykeh. We never talked about Amazon Fire TV, did we? No. Did we? I think. we talked about it personally. We never talked on air. No, we didn't. I call this on air because it's a red light on yours. Mine's broken- Mine is red light. I'm on air. Yeah, so- Amazon launched Amazon Fire TV and the reason I bring this up so they now have an Apple TV competitor. Basically they do a nice comparison at the bottom. It's $99, same thing. It does search via voice, Game of Thrones. Through the remote. Through the remote, kind of cool. They actually have a game controller. Okay, kind of cool.

Jason Atwood: They have Showtime many times, that's something Apple TV doesn't have. But the one thing they just announced, and why I'm bringing this into the story of content and where content's going, they signed a huge deal with HBO. All of HBO's shows are going to be on Amazon streaming.

Justin Edelstein: I saw that The Wire and Sopranos are already there. so that Go watch The Wire if you haven't watched it. That changes the spectrum of Amazon.

Jason Atwood: Amazon TV was kind of like, eh, and Amazon streaming was like, oh wow, you could watch, you know, some of the worst movies ever. But now they're moving and they're shifting and having Amazon Fire TV, which I didn't buy. I looked at it.

Justin Edelstein: There's I just I don't with HPO got all that content anyway, right? Well, I think they're trying to do is as an Amazon

Jason Atwood: Prime as Amazon Prime member It gets me a little bit because I I get like all this stuff for free Which is why they you know Amazon keeps you locked in which I don't mind because I love their stuff So I'm kind of you know I'll just break down and buy it at some point. But then like my Roku, it's my Amazon's gonna sit on top, my Roku's gonna sit on my Apple TV. These three devices all sitting, I think I'm running out of HDMI ports. I think Roku might get a... I haven't used my Roku in forever. Because Roku's the only thing that... The only reason I use Roku... I'm plugged in my Google, my... Oh, your Chromecast? Chromecasts is but it's different level. It's like because Chromecast is like this big just haven't plugged in Just like traveling with it because I'll go to it.

Jason Atwood: That's what it'll be I'll tell I just travel thing. It's like you travel Apple TV Yeah Plus it's great if you bring it with you if someone forgets have a cord or whatever You can actually plug into the HDMI and then push your screen to it. Very quickly. Alright lastly on the Agenda's Dreamforce DF14 registration opens. And as we mentioned before. Open right now. The, there is no more Dreamforce portal. There is now only success. Correct. actually the Dreamforce portal just disappeared. Forget that. They didn't combine anything. They just killed. They killed off three years worth of content. And it's all now in the success community. So when you register, you actually start from the success community. It's a little confusing because if you're already in there. Like there's a now thing that says are you registering as a someone who doesn't who doesn't community or are you registering as a Salesforce person?

23:28 Jason Atwood: Net anything doesn't matter it registration is open. Give us some dates. Yeah, 13 through 16 Yes, San Francisco, I'm just go easily 300,000 people now, okay

Justin Edelstein: 8.99 is your price right now to register for Dreamforce until May 6th. And don't for literally days away. Which is yeah, yeah, weak. But we have a code for you. We do. We have a special code, not the MVP code, like in the past or like last year. Well, we might have one. We might get one of those soon, but we don't have it yet. So we'll give you another code. We have our own. Do you want $100 off? When you go to register, it always asks you, do you have a registration code? That is true. And you can use the Arkus registration code. It is. Get ready, you got a pen, paper, write this down.

Jason Atwood: EC14 Arkus. Be listen. Arkus.

Justin Edelstein: EC14 Arkus. EC14 Arkus. Yeah, like that.

Jason Atwood: You got it. You're just gonna remember it. EC14 Arkus. You'll never get it out of your head now. Done. It's like those serious ads where they just keep playing the, they say the number over and over again. 1-800-GET-CAR-JUNK! 1-800-GET-CAR-JUNK! 1-800-GET-CAR-JUNK! 1-800-GET-CAR-JUNK! Cars for kids. Cars for kids.

Justin Edelstein: .. So yeah, when you go to register, use it. EC14 Arkus and then you'll get 100 bucks off. And it goes up. Always good. On May 6, it goes up again. Well, until May 6, so I guess May 7 is my guess. When it goes up. But it's still 100 bucks off whether you're By the way, it's going to end up around 1,500 bucks. So get in now. Get in now if you're going to go. If you're going to go. You may as well just register.

Jason Atwood: I think the problem is that people don't get approved. I know people's budgets don't even start till like. Yeah. July so they don't even get approved

Justin Edelstein: To go go yeah the problems with the hotels

Jason Atwood: The problem is with the hotels although I've heard that they they do them in in bunches and so like they'll release them in waves and then and then the real secret is Don't do this But if you want to don't get a hotel because apparently the week before when people decide not to go They all open up. They'll let them open up because people stop going. Or you try your Airbnb. We because we like to stay in the same place and kind of lock in. We like to get in early and get out. So we've already, all of our kids already registered. Yeah, we're there.

Justin Edelstein: Done. We're in. We are actually in there. We're there. Use our code. EC14. Arkus. Save some money.

Jason Atwood: EC, not Z, but EC. EC. 14. Yep. So I probably could. decomposes something customer Extra customer 14 our kids well 14 makes sense Arkus makes sense. Anyway dream force.com go do it Don't know what EC stands for? Figure out it's not I mean, all right, so let's do our cloud focus app pick of the week Okay, I have my pick you're not gonna like my pick. I'm gonna hate your pay. You know contact edition It's performance edition. It's work.com Inspire. True to fashion.

26:30 Justin Edelstein: True to form. I should say I'm going to pick something I've never used, but every used super awesome. I'm going to name the company first versatile capitalist. Inc. Why all one word why you can they make? Tons of cool looking apps on the app exchange that are like data utility's utility type of applications And I chose this one. This is how you pick your app based on the coolness of the sound Well, no, no, not the coolness just what I think is super useful Okay, so mass and auto convert leads premium is the name of the application. Okay I'm interested. The price is $120 per user per year, so $10 a user a month. Mmm, okay, a little interested. Okay, now what it does, and this is the big, this is the big win right here, is that you can, from a list view, convert up to 50 leads at one time.

Justin Edelstein: Now if you're managing, let's say a big company and you know, you're you're covering a big company and you've got 10 or 11 different contacts or people that you're talking to at that company and You want to convert pretty much everyone at that company? Yeah You gotta click convert on all of them and attach them to the existing account and all that other stuff Now you can just choose them all and click one button, mask convert, and it gives you a nice visual for screen that allows you to choose the account, allows you to choose different owners, allows you to select, don't create an opportunity for a bunch of them at one time. You know, you only need one opportunity. All the things that you get on the regular lead convert screen. you get on this mass convert screen which looks just like a mass editable list view.

Justin Edelstein: I like it. So you can mass edit or mass convert leads. Now I was really looking at another product by them and I thought this one was cooler so I'll give them another plug. I mean they have tons of apps on the app exchange that are just really really cool. The other one that I thought was really interesting was manage multiple leads from a company, just like accounts with multiple contacts. They have this kind of like this custom object called leads companies. You can have this record for the company to store all the leads as of as children. of And then everything rolls the company level, but you're still managing the separate leads. And then you combine it with the mass convert, and now you've got like leads and lead company contacts and account. just kind of map to each other.

Justin Edelstein: Which is really interesting. That's cool. It's like these two apps that kind of work together. They're both $10 a user a month. So if you go for both of them, they're $20 a user a month. But if you're really doing a lot of, you know, heavy leads, working big accounts with lots of people. Some useful stuff there. I can see it. So,

29:41 Jason Atwood: We can see it. Yes. I have mass auto and convert leads premium. Is there a not premium version? I don't think so.. per year versatile capitalist ink for app exchange. Interesting.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. It is an issue. You have to go back and remember all the other leads. All of them. Like if you have eight or nine people that you're talking to at a company.

Jason Atwood: . All right, we're gonna hate my pick. I already hate it. I was gonna pick the Amazon Fire TV,

Justin Edelstein: Focus app pick of the week. Just by you saying that, I know it doesn't.

Jason Atwood: Well, CloudFocus, it's on our podcast. I'm picking it. Come on, lackluster pick over and to pick over and I'm picking it this week. What is it? So the lady and I My lady and I not the little lady not the little night. We just we just finished up Season three as I told on the thing and I I'm literally telling everybody if you need to go watch those, they're great.

Justin Edelstein: ...... Please, how many times do you want the wire? You know that's auto convert leaves I've never used it. You're gonna pick contact edition next time. I might. I might pick summer. I'm never picking spring 14. I'm never picking spring 14 ever. Summer 14. No.. The spring 13 exams are out. We gotta take those. Spring 13 exams. Spring 14 exams. Really? We're going to take them from a year old? Spring 14, we got to take those. or teleport your way to May 22nd grab the release notes and come on back can you do that you travel into the start track you're really watch

33:38 Jason Atwood: Start track okay Well start the new- Star Trek is a reboot and what the way they rebooted it was they created a different timeline Really?

Justin Edelstein: You can only like travel like at the same time to somewhere else? You're just sounding, worse and worse. I don't know the answers to the questions.

Jason Atwood: I know it's terrible seems odd Anyway, I'm picking it. It's $9.99. It's $9.99. It's Trek movie bundle. Okay, it's pretty good 10 bucks I think it's a good thing.

Justin Edelstein: When we go back at episode 200 and look at all that. That's not far away. Last 100 episodes to look at all the picks. It's really a number one pick. It's really a number one pick. They were like, wow, look at that. Look at that. That was a bad week. You picked movies.

Jason Atwood: I'm sorry. I read a lot of stuff. I do a lot of things. I sometimes want to pick something that everybody's going to enjoy. And people listen to this podcast. If you listen to podcasts,

Justin Edelstein: You like Star Trek. I'm just saying. I don't know a thing about Star Trek. Well, that's terrible. You should go watch this movie.

Jason Atwood: It's a bundle. You don't understand the concept of a bundle. The rent of it is $4.99. So it's basically the same amount of money to rent. Well, basically, except for $2 difference. But yes, basically. Why is it $2 difference? Because $4.99 plus $4.99 is $9.98. So it's two cents difference. Yes, two cents difference. Or $2 difference. I think you can. Can write them for $3.99. It's like HD is $3.99. SD. No, HD is $3.99. SD is 390 and HD is 499.

Justin Edelstein: It's terrible. Digging a bigger, whole. I am really. All right. Wrap Wrap it up.

Jason Atwood: I know we haven't I haven't talked about stitcher for a while, but we've been watching the stats of podcasts and a stitcher is getting a lot of of play. So if you're if you want to check out a new podcasting thing, I actually used it the other day for something because you can just listen to stuff. It's a little bit more like radio less like downloading. Otherwise, we will review on iTunes. We love that. This is Justin and Jason saying as we always do. Enjoy those cloudy days.

Justin Edelstein: You