Summer Whispers - Episode #214 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:09 Jason Atwood: This is the 214th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the last week of April 2015. This episode is titled Summer Whispers. CloudFocus Weekly is brought to you by The Permissioner by Arkus. Maths assign and revoke Salesforce permission sets. Justin, it'll see you. Justin, how are you doing today?

Justin Edelstein: I'm doing great. Thanks. You know what I'm really enjoying? What is that? All across the Salesforce community in general, the success community, the partner community, the Power Bus hub, Twitter, everywhere, people are loving our episode 212. Oh, the end. I mean, they're just loving it. The one that was called NGO disconnect. But people are really, really enjoying it for how we talked not just about NGO connect necessarily. Right. They're talking how we were talking generically about Salesforce platform and ISV and Some of the limitations or hurdles that you have to jump over through and we're getting a lot of good feedback on that one Good I appreciate everybody who's listening who's giving us feedback on that one and feel free to give us feedback on all of them Because we like that

Jason Atwood: I will give myself feedback because I had to basically pull you kicking and screaming do that episode Yeah, you did Sometimes behind the scenes, it's not easy But yeah, that was a good one. That was and it's gotten some hits How's it now? Yes, it is now but this week we are back from our app our app pick updates from last week, we're doing a little bit early because We usually do them towards the end of the week, but this week we're doing towards the middle of the week because... Because why? We have a lot of stuff going on in the next two days. Here, personally, at Argus, there is a little wave of things happening. Sales first wave? Nope. Not even Google Wave. But they are happening in the next two days, so sometimes it's just you gotta do the podcast early so you can get it out the window.

Jason Atwood: And then say goodbye and then come back to next week. So you know what time it is.

Justin Edelstein: What time is it? It's three 24 and I just got, I just got sent this article from MarketWatch. So I think that we should just briefly just touch on here. I can throw it in the, in the world gender for, for you to read. I'll try to just get over the fact that you're reading email. I were well, not reading email. It got pinged to me to talk about on the podcast. from who the guys were singing the other home now so so apparently there's little little rumors floating around around a potential takeover I like how of sales for I like how I like how I can

03:23 Jason Atwood: Read it from just the title because now everybody does in the world's great sales force I com surge 135 or 13% so that's what you just read the Earl yeah on report of takeover who's taking who's interested

Justin Edelstein: So Bloomberg news said the software company has hired advisors to deal with a takeover inquiry. That's it. That's the news, but the share, the shares have surged 13.5% in late trading on Wednesday, which is today. Nice interest. I like it. Just wanted to throw that in there.

Jason Atwood: I was looking at Apple shares the other day. They were going insane again. Yeah, that'll happen I paid some stuff. So well, let's scrape you brought it up. So let's let's talk about it Take over interest. Yeah, so give me two companies Yeah, the company that you would be totally okay with taking over Salesforce Yeah, and the company that we'd have to ask us for

Justin Edelstein: Alright, we'd have to go to just shut down. I think that this is a logical to to me two logical choices from a this this would be And then this would be kind of fun time awesome fun time. Awesome. Yeah, so I'll go with the ant first. Okay Oracle Okay, and then I'll go with the fun time happy time, which would be Google really?

Jason Atwood: Yeah yeah, when you get to know Microsoft, where'd you say put Microsoft in there? That'd be the fun time happy? You know what? I think it would.

Justin Edelstein: It'd be more fun glared now that it's kind of a changing company. They're kind of changing, Yeah.

Jason Atwood: Trying to think of another company that like, that's the thing. I can think of a lot of companies that they should face it over. Fun time, happy times. But that's not happening. Omni Group.

Justin Edelstein: Sure. Maybe it's Omni Group. That ain't happening either.

Jason Atwood: Omni Group. Right, because the only thing that could take them over would be hap- or would be so big that probably have all the problems of being a massive, massive company, which is sort of one of the problems of company growth and I think all companies go through it is that when you get to a certain size, the bureaucracy of being above a certain size gets to you. Salesforce is... Definitely suffering from this. I mean we can you know, I love you sales force But sometimes you just sense like there's people just flying around doing everything on one side and used to be be 2,000 people now 18,000 and sometimes no one knows what's going on, right? So, you know, they got bought by someone bigger. I mean IBM would be someone Oh yeah, there you go IBM.

Jason Atwood: I'm trying to think of another like Are they a big one still? SAP Yeah, oh man, that'd be tough. And Seattle, do you think it would be complimentary or do you think it would just be sort of like to just, because if you have a product that you compete with Salesforce, buying Salesforce is, I mean that's just trouble. But if you don't have a product that is anywhere near you, you want to get into that space. I think whoever,

Justin Edelstein: See look how this has burned an awesome conversation. The ultimate fun time, happy time. Amazon. Oh, that'd be a good one. Wow. That'd be really an interesting.

06:31 Jason Atwood: They're nowhere near this space. No, they're not. Enterprise cloud.

Justin Edelstein: Well, they're in enterprise cloud. They're just not an apps.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, but they're not. I don't know if they're in that. I think they are with all the AWS stuff. Yes. I think a lot of enterprises out there are running one thing or another on Amazon. I think more people are running things on Amazon than they think they're running. That's the thing. Exactly. I think if people knew how much stuff they're running on Amazon, they might be nervous. They would be very upset. Right. We use a piece of software that runs on Amazon and don't really necessarily tell you that runs on Amazon. No. Like when you click launch, it's what it's doing is booting up or spinning up a full virtualized server and Amazon. But they don't, I think when you sign agreements and stuff, I I don't know if that company says, by the way, we're outsourcing to I- another company that's doing this for us.

Jason Atwood: I wonder if they are obligated to do that or not.

Justin Edelstein: I mean, it's their infrastructure, sort of. Not, not, not, not, not. Not, right? No, it's not not even. That'd be a cool one. No, Amazon, Amazon. Yeah, and the Google one would be cool, except I don't know. I could see them just swallowing them whole and then spitting them out into something nothingness.

Jason Atwood: I think they'd spit them out into nothingness. I think I had this, I think one of my predictions I had, Google buying. I think I had Apple and Google, year after year, I had Apple buying sales first and Google buying sales first. I don't know if they're buyable. I mean, Apple's got the kind of money. I don't know if Google has. I'm just buying with cash.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, Apple could buy with cash. Straight cash, homie. Oh.

Jason Atwood: All right, so yeah, they're just around us. I mean, didn't mean to. They got bought off by someone really, really, really massive. It would probably take a good five to 10 years to really see the sort of, you know, the bad stuff. What would Beni off go and do? You have to do the five year like hang around. You definitely have to hang out for a while. For a while. Definitely. Finally. Interesting. All right. Well, let's go to now not sorry agenda blog posts of the week we have impact evaluation for nonprofits with draw loop crazy sauce, so this was done by a Person who I don't know if we shall be naming By the way, we're doing a little a little I was looking at our little redesign our small redesign of our website Yeah, and one of the redesign things it actually shows the picture picture.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I noticed that yesterday. I was playing around with it Yeah, I was testing it yesterday. So that might be kind of neat that you know, I like the picture I'm a big fan of that right big big fan. We'll have to give everybody put the picture on big fan big fan

Jason Atwood: This one is It's really using draw loop to do sort of analytic type stuff, not using to generate a form or a letter or things that are normal you would do with draw loop. We're big conga people here but we're also agnostic to that type of thing and so

Justin Edelstein: Someone went off on a path of draw loop and so we thought hey let's write up something on it. Do you know why they chose draw loop and this is there's an explicit or very good reason why Drawloop was the choice made here. A feature that Drawloop has called Excel as middleware. Which is what this podcast, what this blog post is about and did it. For the most part, right? So it's basically taking the data that wouldn't necessarily be in a format in Salesforce, like complicated Excel-like formulas. dropping Salesforce data into Excel, running those formulas in Excel, whether it be in a sheet that just has formulas, you can pivot the data and do all sorts of interesting things in Excel to then take the data and put it somewhere else. So it uses Excel as it states as middleware to do what Excel does really well, manipulate data into like...

11:21 Justin Edelstein: And really know it off the top of your head and you've done a million times. And even like table starts table ends and all the tricky stuff you need to do inside of a document to make it format properly, Draw just uses a custom object and you just start building out everything in the custom object.

Jason Atwood: I. I and websites that have mobile specific designs to them higher

Justin Edelstein: Than ones that don't make sense because people are using their phones and such. That's right much more often this is so the

Jason Atwood: Very smartly the company that built our theme because the way the software we use it has these themes and you can install them so we're actually using an Arkus theme it's a theme for on top of it It's really cool because you can flip between the themes. I could have three themes and just flip between them and there's versions of them So it's it's kind of a cool way of doing the way the the software works

Justin Edelstein: They contacted me When we were discussing it, yeah, we were we were gonna do it We're meeting our minds You know what's funny is because when you forwarded me the email from them It looked like it was a solicitation from them to you and I was like wait a minute We talked about that yesterday about reaching out to them. It was. What happened here? They- Oh, they were like proactively good for them. Yeah, they literally said, ugh, they said that,.. What was the ugh? Literally.

Jason Atwood: We have a thing going now. Who's this we? I'm not even gonna lie, I'm a lie to you, like all these things that we say all the time. So that night we started, that don't mean things, we started picking on each other whenever we said them. So now it's catching, now I'm catching myself when I say literally.

14:22 Justin Edelstein: Well you know you gotta catch yourself without verbalizing it. Nah.

Jason Atwood: Everybody loves it. Anyway, so they contacted me. They said Would you like this is the new study you can test your website? It comes up as you know, Google will test it webmaster tool and then it came up failing and You had been bugged about this for a while. So I said, okay fine and give that to us. And then there's some other little things we wanted to do that were. for. you know, tweaks and stuff. And so you and I were designing mobile designs yesterday.

Justin Edelstein: So that's what we're doing. And I don't know when it'll. I think we fall down a nice middle ground between the two of us and our little argument that we were having. It's not an argument. It's a dictatorship. Well, that's what it was. But I think I found a middle ground for us. You wanted to bury search. I didn't want to bury anything. I wanted to put it where most people put it. Nope. And then I found a good example. Well, I use two very big website examples. Yeah, but those aren't very good designs either. I think they both are fairly good designs and big time websites.

Jason Atwood: Search should be something that is always available. I found another good example. And that's what they implemented. But the two that you originally said me, that you had, that were the original part of this conversation. They didn't even have search.

Justin Edelstein: But then I found big time websites and where did they put it? Where I said it should go. But then I found another example, one of my favorite websites, and they put it where, not exactly where you wanted it, but front and center,

Jason Atwood: Not front and center. Well, we have good search. So when you have good search, you put it front and center. It's live type ahead search. Search first. Most websites don't have type ahead live search. No, because we're awesome. Well, it's a good piece of software. Oh, it's good. It's a good company. The good company. All right. Wow. Break my hand patting ourselves on the back. All right, it's a podcast done. Yeah. Yeah, let's move on next up What's next dropbox news? Yeah, this is kind of what I actually got invited to the beta But I couldn't get into it for some reason today either.

Justin Edelstein: I don't know you probably failed Well, I was even if I failed or they failed someone failed

Jason Atwood: Dropbox is creating a notes app, but it's gonna be a collaborative notes app. And if you look at the, it's going right after Google, but if you look at the little screen shot. Google and Microsoft. And Microsoft, scroll down, you see the screen shot. I see the screen shot. Okay, interesting. I'm more interested that they're there that Evernote isn't.

Justin Edelstein: Me, this is where Evernote should be. What interests me is that these aren't Dropbox files. They're someone else's files that they're enabling collaboration features on top of, right? Because Dropbox doesn't have the notion of a file. It's just a place where you put a file wait. No it does have it does have files. It doesn't know doesn't have a picture of notes No, no You're not listening to what I'm saying, and maybe I'm completely wrong, but is there a file format like dot? Dpb dot dot dpx like a Dropbox file format there were documents No, they're excel sheets right they are powerpoints. That's right there for the most part Microsoft files. But I think this is notes.

17:37 Jason Atwood: I don't take it that way.

Justin Edelstein: No? That's not how I'm reading it. I'm reading it as you put a file into Dropbox and then users of Dropbox notes will be able to take already stored documents that are on Dropbox and use this service on top of it.

Jason Atwood: Like they're basically enabling real time editing on existing me. because of their offline. Because, so one of the things that, but Google's offline, but they weren't, but they're offline second. They were online collaborative first. Right. From Google Wave. Then they went offline, you could sync things down. Well, they were actually online collaborative from something else, not Google Wave.

Justin Edelstein: It's the thing they bought. The thing they bought before Google Wave. Before they created Google Wave. So... Ah man, I think it was called like Weebly or something. Man, that goes way back. I think it was Weebly, but that could be so wrong. I just want Evernote.

Jason Atwood: I mean, to me Evernote is kind of lacking that because I've looked at their, they have a business tool and they do a sharing and you can share notes and all that sort of stuff. Right. Evernote has two... I was actually having a conversation with a person here at Arkus about it because he was asking why don't I store, you know, I'm a big Evernote user, power user, I'm a premium. He's like why don't you store everything in Evernote? Like why don't you store your like PDFs? Can't get it out. And I say I can't get it out and it just doesn't, it doesn't have that, well it doesn't mount anywhere. It's great for notes. Right. So dropbox notes, if they're like Evernote then I think then they're more shooting towards Evernote.

Justin Edelstein: So like the thing right the thing that I I'm again because it's not really described here is like when you go to Dropbox Which is you know a? Directory on your on your machine, and you open it up right and I open up a folder That's called notes or something what am I gonna see in there? I see word documents orI'm I gonna see like some Dropbox I think you're some Dropbox just like when you open up the Google Drive like Dodgy Doc. Yes, right No, it opens in a browser. Right this is a browser. We think it's not a physical file. It's collaborative It's gonna open a browser. We yeah, I mean it should but you're right

Jason Atwood: Dropbox doesn't do browser have stuff Viewers and you can look at and download it. That's what I'm thinking like it's like the viewer

Justin Edelstein: Now gets this collaboration layer on top of it, which I know exists. It's kind of like what Office 365 does with OneNote. And even with like SharePoint, right? You can open up a physical word that's something that started as a physical document and then sort of start it online. Interesting. Yeah, let's see where this goes. We'll also see I'm gonna bring this to Salesforce Just cuz this is a Salesforce podcast for the most part Oh the most part unless I get bought and then we're changing.

20:45 Jason Atwood: Well, then it's an Oracle podcast Well, then you know, that's why we named it CloudFocus a week. Well, that's right. This is just cloud.

Justin Edelstein: We go back to being cloud so Happens here cuz Dropbox was like one of the The enterprise was one of the first like Salesforce one mobile. I'm afraid that they were like really pushing like look, Dropbox built the Salesforce one mobile app. And if they introduce this, then you can do notes inside Salesforce one and Dropbox enterprise. But now Salesforce is also coming out with their own version of notes. Like this is always the thing. It's interesting when company like like Salesforce has like this. these tentacles that start reaching into other people's like a salesforce really like the master of notes they should be but they're not necessarily well

Jason Atwood: Some of the salesforce is always done extremely very well they don't do they don't do unstructured text not very well they don't do it at all even remotely well notes is terrible and looks like 1997 What else don't say chatter?

Justin Edelstein: I don't know chatter. No don't the chatters pretty unstructured It actually isn't unstructured.

Jason Atwood: It's structured post comment comment comment comment It doesn't even do comment over that you I mean it's very structured. It's a little post boxes I think the actual combination of now we can move into the summer 15. The one thing that stood out to me is the combination of Google drive in the new search thing. So now that Google drive documents show up in Salesforce search.

Justin Edelstein: What would they call it? What would they call it? Sunlight or something like that, right? So anyway, we'll move on to our next topic. Moving right along.

Jason Atwood: Connect to content in Google Drive. With Files Connect, Salesforce users can access and share content from Google's popular cloud-based system, fully integrated with external content by Incudy and Salesforce searches. Interesting. So, I mean... We're a huge Google Drive user. We love it. There's a lot that's cool drive just as that's just brilliant and This is one of of those weird things with Salesforce They're both including and moving getting closer to Google But in the same way that are also building their own Salesforce files and building it out and adding in more features to it that makes more like and notes So it's like yeah, we're kind of getting close to you do but we've got notes now which are kind of like docs And we have Salesforce file sync, which now you can do folders in.

Jason Atwood: So now we're getting kind of like Google Drive, and I can kind of do things the way Google Drive does. And they've moved away from Google with a lot of things as well.

Justin Edelstein: The Google integrations have sort of gone down in number, which is weird, but okay. Yeah. When the Google apps for enterprise really started catching fire, Salesforce made notice and created some integrations, right? You had the Google Docs the notes and attachments list. You can no longer create a new one. You can only attach, you know, attach Xexx or link to existing ones. So they've removed integrations with Google. They left the email one. Yeah, they left that email one, which I never use, but all it does is hit your email to Salesforce blind copy.

24:33 Jason Atwood: Actually a nice feature. Yep. Yeah Yeah, I find it I find it interesting just as they get closer one thing I've heard and I'm trying to think how safe Harbor this is if you're thinking about it.

Justin Edelstein: You shouldn't say it Yeah, I'm gonna say it anyway. You shouldn't say it. I'm thinking about it. Don't say it. No, it's not a feature of new feature It's a why is the integration with Google? Generically speaking, what is your thoughts on why integrating with Google from an enterprise perspective? So difficult because of the, because Google as a generic

Jason Atwood: Application is not as open I'm rather closed and changing them and keeping them in beta constantly. So companies like Salesforce and other companies who want to do more integration with them. don't want to spend as much time trying to constantly keep up with Google's kind of beta land, right? Like everything's beta. Oh, and that API is gone because beta, you know, Gmail was beta for what? Five, 10 years. Right. So not that LinkedIn isn't in the LinkedIn connector inside of Salesforce for context isn't beta for, I don't know, three years, but nevermind. So I think it's it's that there's other reasons why sales force might be pulling away from their in their direct integrations other than we don't like Google or Google's doing things that we're doing it might be. Google's kind of the rogue character out there and they build stuff that they then tear apart they they they put all this billions of dollars into development of things that they let go of rumors are that Google plus is gonna sort of be pulled apart again something they put all I mean they don't they kind of reuse the pieces.

Jason Atwood: A lot of what was in Google Wave ends up in Google Docs, which we love.

Justin Edelstein: We do love Google Wave Drinking game Should I name like a little feature just a quick glance because I have yes, this is one of those Excuse me one of those features where I saw it and Air quote feature that I just kind of laughed at okay Like it so but we're talking about summer summer 15 release notes of hit these like pre-release notes I think still when do they pay that they are actually the release you have to follow the blog and follow the Official

Jason Atwood: Ones yeah, okay, so tell me something that you change and they do change but

Justin Edelstein: Number of custom profiles allowed I found this hysterical Number of custom profiles.

Jason Atwood: I'm going down, hopefully.

Justin Edelstein: Just just. Yes, it is. Well, there's a limit. So, why don't you take a guess at. How many custom profiles? And let me give you the caveat that you can have X number of custom profiles. Per license type, which which. The cap isn This number it's this number times however many different license types you have right you know What's the number per license type you have a chatter you have a force or as one app you have a whatever right?

27:35 Jason Atwood: So what do you think the number says 500 that's just mine. That's because fields are 500 days 500.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, it's 1,500 1500 By the way, so let me just read so let's say, say your organization has 200 users with the salesforce user license and 50 users with the forest comm app subscription user license in this case you can have up to 1500 as you go files with the salesforce user license and 1500 more with the app with the forest comm now i don't know, why, they use that particular blurb right 200 users There's no reason to have 1,500 profiles? What's there is? I mean, maybe if you reversed it? I don't know, whatever. They just wanted to make the point. And they basically said, you should start using permission sets. This podcast bought you by the permissioner. Yeah, exactly. We have 1,500 profiles. You might want to start looking at those.

Justin Edelstein: And start using permission sets where applicable.

Jason Atwood: 1500 profiles for 200 users is... Seems like it's impossible. I have a question for you. It's not impossible, it's just dumb. I have a question for you.

Justin Edelstein: So... Alright, let's say your org has... 75 licenses. Straight up sales force licenses. Okay. E. Whatever.

Jason Atwood: Doesn't matter. Sure. Enterprise. Okay, I just gotta set my mind. Regular,

Justin Edelstein: Plain old sales force licenses. What year is it? It's the current date. It is today. Okay. Okay. Alright. And you're doing a data migration. And in this org, which nobody's using just yet, eventually there's going to be 200 users. Eventually. You're doing a data migration where all of the 200 users are going to need to own data. Okay. Now, with Spring, with the Spring release, inactive users could actually own data. You better... Hold on, I'm asking you a question. You should read up on that feature because it's not what you think it is. All right. We can get to that in a minute. Okay. Do you think you could create the 200 users as all inactive and then just start pumping data in and having them own it? Even though you only have 75 licenses You'd have to create deactivate create deactivate create deactivate.

Justin Edelstein: Well, you can just create them and not active great not active You think you could create all 200 and then just start loading data and have them own it and then buy the licenses later What do you think? I don't think so. I mean,

Jason Atwood: I think in theory I have no idea that feature though I went to go use I thought that feature allowed me to do something that it and this is my own investigation which was I thought that feature was I can associate things make owners of think of records to inactive users. of records to inactive users. It's really meant for, it's a feature A, you have to put in a ticket to get turned on, and it's only on for a limited time. Oh really? Yeah.

30:44 Justin Edelstein: So it's really for when someone... It's meant for when someone... Your use case. My use case or when someone leaves, and you haven't yet, all their accounts, but... People still need to modify contacts underneath those. Well, that's yeah, that's it's more meant for I'm migrating a

Jason Atwood: Whole bunch of people in They're not active yet

Justin Edelstein: I'm and I and I'm doing a one time I'm doing a good question. I thought that just you just leave on so it's for my use case It was for use except they're gonna be like buy the hundred and twenty five more licenses, buddy.

Jason Atwood: Yeah All right, I thought I feel like I want to go out and ask you that little question, but I'm not gonna do it No, you don't need to do that. so anyway, that's first glance at summer 15. We snowed. We skipped something Well, I'm gonna come back to it. Oh, okay I'm I'm closing the loop close the loop goes in the loop on that and I'm gonna open up the loop now and say Last week, I think we recorded the podcast on the Friday. We did which was Apple Watch Day officially It was and we then went back to our house, our building. We don't have a combined house, but we do live in the same building, strangely enough. And we did an unboxing of your Apple Watch. The least popular color on the planet.

Jason Atwood: Apparently so.

Justin Edelstein: I love it. It is Arkus Green.

Jason Atwood: It's Arkus Green, that's why I got it. So give us a couple minutes. Just so long enough I don't get y'all stuff and smash it on your wrist.

Justin Edelstein: I'm thoroughly enjoying my Apple watch experience thus far. So it says the man who was against wearables. Yeah, well, Fippit was my entree into the wearable whatever. Anyway, so I've got my watch on right now. You can see I'm using the watch face. I think this one's called lunar. Okay, it shows a nice digital time. It shows the date in the upper left hand corner. and it shows kind of like when it's light and dark out in a little access or whatever. Fair enough. nice watch faces. I decided to go with digital since I haven't worn a watch in forever. I kind of can just tell time faster on digital than I can on a regular watch face. Terrible. It's really awful. But there's a lot of nice little customizations with the watch face.

Justin Edelstein: If you're into Really complicated ones you can put all sorts of things onto the watch face so dates You can change the way the formatting of the of the time shows up you can put I don't know all sorts of stuff. Let's just say it's a customizable watch face Now as far as apps are concerned I consider the watch I'm I'm sort of considering it like a little remote control for the phone So far it's sorta like I've compared it to My two cable boxes in my apartment one in my living room is a full TiVo box That has the ability to record all the stuff on it and set everything on that. And then the one in the bedroom just reads off of the one in the living room. I can set things to record from the bedroom, but it's not actually recording on that box.

34:00 Justin Edelstein: It's recording on the one in the living room. Right. So nothing really necessarily happens on the watch. Everything's kind of happening through the phone. So. the phone sending, you know, the notifications to the watch and we're applying from the watch, but it's really going through the phone. Right.

Jason Atwood: So could you so would you own this watch without the iPhone?

Justin Edelstein: You cannot own this watch without an iPhone. There you go. It is just ridiculously absurd to even think that you would want this watch without the iPhone. Okay, makes no sense in the universe. Okay, in no world would that make any sense. It's interesting because that's one of the......the original iPod.

Jason Atwood: Which when you originally got the original iPod, you need to have a Mac. Because you need to have something to get the data on. Then, slowly they moved. Then they slowly moved up through and they got......then it obviously got an OS to itself and then you could own an iPod Touch without having to connect it to a Mac.

Justin Edelstein: Well you needed to connect it to iTunes, not a Mac.

Jason Atwood: Well, originally that was only a Mac. But then it went into iTunes. But you need to have a computer. It couldn't exist by itself. But now phones, but then over the last four or five years, phones, iPads, and iPod touches have, they're independent. They can do updates by themselves. They can buy and download things. They don't really, you don't,

Justin Edelstein: Even when you activate them, you don't activate them with the computer. You used to activate them with the computers. Yeah, no, I haven't plugged my phone into the computer for years.

Jason Atwood: I don't know if this will ever get there because it's interesting that they're going back now and having something that can't live by itself.

Justin Edelstein: Here's here's a reason I the reason I believe why it would need to have its. Own. A couple of different for lack of my understanding in technology, it would need like radios or whatever the chips are right. It need like a cellular data. It would need GPS in there. It would need a couple of things that would need to be in the watch that it's leveraging from its connection to the phone. And I don't know if anyone would pay Verizon 30, 40 bucks a month just to have some stuff on their watch. Yeah, see, now it's making no sense to me, the whole pulse, like disconnected. I have a phone anyway. Right. I have a phone now now I can see where the gripe would be like hey, I'm an Android user Like I want to use my galaxy S whatever the newest one is I don't.

Justin Edelstein: I don't want to switch to an iPhone I can't use your watch and I get that gripe

Jason Atwood: Completely right

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, yeah, go get go get the Samsung watch you know To continue down the path. I mean this morning. I went for a run Hmm. I used the Runkeeper app. Yep on the watch It wasn't the greatest experience really it did not actually make anything easier or better or anything Couldn't you just look and go the screen went off? It was black and then when I touched it it just showed me the watch face So like I couldn't even really, I would have had to fidget with it to get to showing me stuff. Now when I eventually stopped running to hit stop, I had to go in, go, go open the app on the watch and hit stop. And it didn't make my life any easier. And in addition, I just don't think this app was really thought through very well.

37:25 Justin Edelstein: When I went to go look on my phone, it was great. The run was immediately there because really it's just tracking it on the phone. Yeah, again, it's just a remote control for the phone. And, and, but what didn't happen was the GPS connection never cut off. So like 10 minutes later, I look at my phone and it's like Runkeeper still using your location. You know how it has the blue bar now at the top? Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, oh, that's weird. It never stopped thinking that it was running, I guess, on the watch. Right. But it wasn't running on the watch. And it wasn't running on the phone. It was just kept using the location services. So I had to quit the app on the phone, which I didn't really appreciate. So I think some bugginess is certainly...

Justin Edelstein: To be expected. I haven't been able to get some of the apps that are on the watch to actually work like the fly delta app won't just get past the loading screen. There are some apps that I wish were more than just notifications. And that's the thing that I found out there are some that that are not really apps, they of a a push a notification right like Google Hangouts right like WhatsApp right now messages is a full app when I I can respond to it by talking to it. And I actually said to you yesterday, I think message is kinda like the killer app which is kinda funny cause you would think you would respond to it on your wrist. But it's kinda fun. You would play with. You talk into it, it dictates perfectly.

Justin Edelstein: I haven't seen it messed up, really R deep into it again I'm still even to the fact that I have something on my wrist that tells time it's like I'll stop myself from going into my pocket to it is right like wait you have a watch right raise your wrist because I haven't worn a watch in probably ten years So, still getting used to it. I've charged it every night. I don't necessarily think I have to, but I have been, because I think it would then run out in the middle of the next day. Like right now it's four o'clock. There's 74% remaining and I went for a run this morning. Right. So that's a little indication of I went for my run at 6 AM. It's now 4 PM.

Jason Atwood: How's the health app? I, I Oh,

Justin Edelstein: That's killer. I think that's the killer. It's killer. The activity app. So it basically just totally, totally replaced everything everything that the Fitbit did plus more. You know, it puts all the data for you on the watch, watch and then it pushes it also to you. an app that's actually on the. stuff. That the Fippet was doing it goes back in time pretty far I can jump out to a calendar view and you can see in a nice calendar view like you know How active you've been on certain days? Yeah, which is kind of neat So yeah, I've been enjoying it hit the shutter. So like you could like hold your phone out, I don't know, or put your phone in the right and then use the app on your wrist to take the picture.

41:37 Justin Edelstein: Right.

Jason Atwood: All right, whatever. They had to seed it with some apps, I guess. So that was... Well, it seemed like there was a lot of apps out there and I kept reading about them. I mean, there's a couple I'm interested in because they're at like OmniFocus. I know I have one. And so... But it does every time I think about it. It K Oh, it is just a tiny little screen on your wrist all it is. You're not really I mean you might check something done And you might whatever but

Justin Edelstein: It's you know Twitter did a nice job. They did yeah, you get you know when I get app mentioned I get an alert it pops up on my wrist and I can reply to it. I can favorite it. I can retweet Nice. I can do all sorts of things. I can jump into my timeline if I want to just open the app. But they're all connected to the phone apps. Totally connected to the phone apps.

Jason Atwood: You can't have the Twitter on your watch without having the Twitter on your phone. Yeah, that's how it works. So on your phone, if you have...

Justin Edelstein: And an iPhone now you have the app you have the Apple Watch app now Once you have an Apple Watch you go through that app and connect them to each other which is kind of a neat little experience that we had it does it through like a a Fancy looking QR code, right? it looks like a galaxy instead of a random QR code and Once you've actually connected them The interface for managing what the watch actually does is in the app on the phone. So if you want an app to show up on the watch, you toggle it on or off from the app on the actual phone. Have you tried the Apple Pay yet? No. Okay. I feel like the there's only one place that I ever even use Apple Pay which is Dwayne Reed Yeah, but I haven't been there.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, go buy something. I guess just so you can see the guy go whoa who now All right.

Jason Atwood: Well, we'll again somewhere on the path when I get mine. I'm gonna do the Salesforce analytics ones Yeah, I've been playing around with that a little bit, but I won't I won't I won't mention anything. Next time... I don't have real data to really play with, so it doesn't really matter. Next time we were gonna do a... talk about spring, but your summer, or summer, but you're saying we should wait a couple weeks.

Justin Edelstein: So we'll come up with something fresh. Yeah, until we have more blog posts.

Jason Atwood: Because next week's... or the week after is yours. that's right. Probably should get it out next week. I could do mine earlier, mine's done. All right, so let's make our quad focus app picks of the week.

Justin Edelstein: Sure. I was just going to go to the rest. Now I have a whole new I have a whole new platform. You have to pick an app that you have not. You have no rules. You have no. That's the rule. You have no say in the matter. Pick something that you've already picked. Well, it's for a different platform. So you are sure you've picked OmniFocus three times. No, I'm positive. No. You don't set the rules here. I do. Actually, you don't. You don't go ahead. You really don't. you know what? Cause cause I really enjoyed, Twitter to me is like one of the better done apps on the, on the watch. I'm actually just going to pick the Twitter app for the Apple watch. Cause there isn't a Twitter app for the Apple watch.

44:51 Jason Atwood: There is a Twitter that has an Apple watch things. That's what I think it is an Apple watch app. Yeah. It's really not. It's an AWA. It's an extension of the other app.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, but it allows you to... Like I said, it's a remote control. If you go on your phone and delete the app., no, let me actually rephrase. I want to pick another app. Okay. And it's an app I'm not sure I've ever picked. Good. That would be good. I don't like using the Apple remote for my Apple TV in my living room. Because there's just it's where my Apple TV is located. It's kind of blocked. So the signal I have to like hold my arm up right to get it right. So the Apple remote is actually an Apple watch right app and it's pretty good. Because if you've ever used the Apple remote on your phone, it's just. a big blank screen that you just scroll over. Well, now it's just a smaller version. Right.

Justin Edelstein: And it works just fine. So I'll go with that. I'll go with the Apple remote.

Jason Atwood: So I think that is an actual app on your phone.

Justin Edelstein: On your watch. It's an app on my watch. That works independently of the other app. It does not. Cause it already knew what my connections were.

Jason Atwood: Like, now from your phone. Yeah. What would happen to the Apple Twitter app? Obviously would stop working, but would it be deleted? No. Would it find out your app? Apple? No, no,

Justin Edelstein: Definitely not. Definitely.

Jason Atwood: I'm pretty sure about it. All right. Well, I'm gonna make something since you're picking silly crap I'm gonna pick even, Silly crap because I love your little silly crap.

Justin Edelstein: I downloaded it because you kept sending these to me. So I had to do one. So this is,

Jason Atwood: This is an app called BitEmoji and a friend of mine, was using against me a long time ago. Our mutual friend who sent sends these to R. Me also. Oh, and it was so annoying. I was so mad. So I figured what they were. So basically it allows you to set up. It's a keyboard. It's a custom keyboard for iPhone. Yeah, I don't like the way the keyboard really works

Justin Edelstein: Well, it's not really a keyboard you I know I don't like how to get in there Yeah, they're getting in stuff.

Jason Atwood: It's really stinky. Although there is it. There's a quick way If you just hold down that key you can then switch right in. Oh, that's a good one. Okay Thank you I did And what it does is it creates images. But the thing is you set yourself up as an avatar that you have your color and, and how tall you are and your kind of outfit. And then it puts you in a whole bunch of funny situations or pictures and then, and some of them are, they update the app. So some of them are actually sort of funny for the time, so they did one right after the Super Bowl, they did left and right shark. Like you dressed up as left and right shark. Anyway, it's kind of funny. You can send people little pictures of yourself, a cartoon version, you know, with cray cray, or, and then it has your facial expressions.

48:24 Jason Atwood: So you were sending me all these brilliant, knowing...

Justin Edelstein: Annoying annoying. Oh, they were they are annoying Things from your phone like these.

Jason Atwood: What do you call those? Those are I would call them an animated?

Justin Edelstein: Emoji and man animated emoji what you're annoying which you were saying didn't animate on the phone, but you just proved yourself wrong They don't look they only those well hold on some of those are not animated Like the thumbs up is literally just a thumb up thing and see it slowly moving. That That's not moving That one doesn't move what's it doing it's going at this well that that one's not as good as the other one I sent you this heart that explodes into a bunch of other hearts yeah

Jason Atwood: Terrible so anyway I was battling with bit emoji it's free it's fun I don't know you should check it out bit emoji it emo The thing is now with iOS 8 you can say to delete pictures or you can delete text or pictures out of there after 30 days so you're not blowing up people's space. We used to be like, wow, why keep sending me all these pictures because they're blowing up my space. So that's my pick. I don't know who does it. Who's the actual, who's behind it? Is bye. I don't know, somebody. Kind the fun. You should try it out. Bit emoji. All right. So we'll be back next week with something more interesting. You can follow at-just-edelstein, follow at-Jason and Matt would follow at Arca Sync. We're on the face of the book, facebook-dot-com-slash-arcas that's Inc.

Jason Atwood: We're in the success community group. There's our own group in there. You can go in. We post everything there. See you next time. We're in LinkedIn, Google+, remember to subscribe and review. If you're a listener, we love it. Subscribe and review in iTunes or Stitchers, Stitchers, whatever that is. And until next week, Justin and Jason say, enjoy those cloudy days.

Justin Edelstein: I'll see you next time.