Beware Digital Zombies - Episode #117 - CloudFocus Weekly

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00:11 Jason Atwood: This is the 117th episode of CloudBooks Weekly for the first week of December 2012. the episode so it was titled Call me zombie Justin. So the agenda today we're going to talk about my blog post called Three Digital Brains. Brains. Digital Brains. Beware digital zombies to eat your brains.

Justin Edelstein: I don't get it. You're too geeky for me today. Zombies eat brains.

Jason Atwood: Well they eat anything. No, they eat brains. That's the whole thing is they eat brains. That's like their food. Yes. current zombie flicks but some but vampires sparkle nowadays so the whole thing has gone whack Just saying so you're calling back to Days

Justin Edelstein: Of your childhood old zombies like a not walking dead zombies which are awesome, right?

Jason Atwood: I'm talking about normal zombies eight brains and said brains Well, these zombies just make weird noises. All right. Just chew on their tongue. All right, so we have that. And then up, we have Evernote for Business? Question mark? It's not even a question mark.

Guest: But cool little announcement. And then the top 10 mistakes,

Jason Atwood: Classic mistakes that plague software development projects, we'll pick one or two and talk about it. Yeah. on my digital brains.

Justin Edelstein: I don't know six months ago. This has been on the blog post ideas tab for a long time. Yes. And I finally found a slot for you. Yes.

Jason Atwood: To write it in. And or yes finally got it there. So the blog post title is called my three digital extra my three extra digital brains. It was called my three brains or something but then I was like actually it's your fourth brain and their digital, whatever. And really talking about, you know, in this day and age, just like how do you capture all the stuff that you have from passwords to client data to, you know, to pictures to to-dos to projects to, and so I was thinking like, well, what do I use? And it really came down to three things that I use that like I consider at this point my extra brains. At, at least as long as the brains have been out. That's correct.

03:33 Justin Edelstein: I use all three of these brains. Yes, you do. I use them for differing various purposes. Much in the same way. I use them. Go figure. So, yeah, I mean, we can call out the brains. Brain number number one, OmniFocus. Which people know that you're a GTD guy. And that you're a Mac guy or an Apple guy and OmniFocus works for you.

Jason Atwood: Your GTD stuff. Yeah, that's where I capture tasks awesome sauce.

Justin Edelstein: Alright, we got Evernote. I use E, Evernote much in the same way you use Evernote. I don't know how many notes I have. It's probably in the hundreds. Passwords, product license keys, snapshots, like photographs of whiteboards, all sorts of crazy stuff in Evernote. The tagging, the searching, really just the searching is just so good in Evernote. The ability to get to things. We're going to talk a little bit more about Evernote later. And then you picked brain number three, Salesforce.com. I feel like you're missing a brain. We can talk about Salesforce.com all until the days.

Jason Atwood: It was my honorable mention was the third brain, fourth brain.

Justin Edelstein: You know, that wasn't even the one. Because I think about like, you know, if I were to. say like have to write this type of article I think your honorable mention of Google Drive is valid and worthy of being a brain right but I think you're missing one that I could not live without not live without what is it calendar interesting I just can't live without my count if it's not on my calendar I'm not doing it if it's on my calendar I'm doing it it's one of those types of things So like that's true. I don't think of it as

Jason Atwood: A I don't think it's so much as well First of all all my calendar events that are important to me come from some other source So I guess I wrote not really well

Justin Edelstein: Salesforce So yeah, but you don't put take dog to vet in Salesforce No, that goes on the family calendar, which is the blog post sure which is another brain because if Take dog to vet on a specific day time wasn't on your calendar You wouldn't take the dog to the vet because we are that in that way like you know someone will say to me you know We were supposed to do this we had plans to do this and it's like well Did we ever like confirm the plans well not really so it, never made it on my calendar so therefore we didn't do it Like I also really hate when I put something on my calendar like three months ahead of time or in, advance And then you know I'm reviewing in a week or so or two weeks before I'll reach back out to that person say, hey Just confirming that we're doing this right and they're like, oh I totally forgot I have something else to do now It's like, well Why didn't you use your fifth digital brain and put that on your calendar three months ago so that you knew that we were doing it?

06:49 Jason Atwood: I would say that it's definitely, but to me it's not a, it's more of a tool than the brain. Like yes, there are things on there that exist and yes, I, you know, but in some ways everything that's on my calendar represents something from somewhere else meaning Take dog to vet while as a counter event will be in your army focus Yeah, and so like if you're going to create a yeah, I mean counter is very important. I agree I think there's a it could be a secondary honor mentioned It's definitely like you know again in the GTD world is called your hard landscape Which means you put things on your calendar that are going to happen at that time I was people put things on the counter. They're sort of like, you know, they put tasks on their days like oh I want to Call Bob and I'll put it on you know Monday as call Bob We certainly certainly more often than not use it as a hard landscape if it is on my calendar It is pretty much written in gold or blood or whatever and I need to do that and You know daily exercise to wake up look at my calendar I mean, I probably look at my calendar before I go to bed at night and when I wake up It's like what's on my calendar tomorrow what I need to do, especially in our business where You know, everybody knows we're consultants.

Jason Atwood: Your calendar is like, it is a moving, changing thing constantly. It is not a, it is not something that's like, oh, go to work every day. And then I, like I used to, when I worked at a big firm, I could just go to work. And then when I got to work, I could go look at what's on my calendar. It's like, oh, look, I got some meetings today or whatever. It didn't matter. Now it's like, well, today I, I'm here. and then I was... out to lunch with an employee and then I'll be going to a client. Tomorrow I'm on a flight and then I'm like, I could be anywhere and if you don't know what's on your calendar, you don't know what to dress, you don't know what to pack, you don't know, and it does control a lot of the rest of your life.

Jason Atwood: So, right. Yeah, we could,

Justin Edelstein: I could do a whole way, a whole riff on the calendar. That's the way that I read this article is like, oh, what can I, this is like kind of peeling back your brain. Yeah. Or like, like, slicing chunks off your brain if you will. Yeah. That's why I think of it as storage. That's why I'm thinking of it as like, oh I can use this thing so that I can take back that chunk of my brain and use it for something different and oh like the calendar is one of those things like oh I don't have to remember all these things that I have to do on certain dates and times because I know that they're in my calendar so I can use my brain to do something more.

Jason Atwood: It's a fair, it's definitely a fair thing. Fair thought. Fun with brains. It's a lot of brain talk. And then, you know, I already mentioned, I did mention Google Drive or formerly docked. It is certainly becoming a bigger and bigger. I do put a lot of stuff into it. And in some ways I do use it as that repository. It's not as trusted as the other three. I trust Evernote 100%. If I throw something Evernote, I never think, is it going to show up? You know, is it anywhere? That's the model. I love that model and then Salesforce obviously is sort of the other way. It's only cloud Right and there's devices right and then Evernote is actually both Evernote I've never used their web interface.

10:28 Justin Edelstein: I mean it's like an emergency thing On every device I have generally use it on the on the phone or the Mac application Yep, but speaking of Evernote. Yeah and Google Drive because I think this is doing I am I'm doing it to you Because I think this is an interesting area of discussion Evernote for business is here and is it right for your team? This is a Article written on read write web Or I guess they're not really read write web anymore. I guess they're just read write calm and at the the lay web conference on Tuesday and parry The Evernote CEO announced the launch of Evernote for business right so this is a closed in Private I guess you would call it a folder that would be for your business or series of subfolders that is controlled centrally and has permissions around it.

Justin Edelstein: What's interesting about it is that it's embedded within your regular Evernote too. It's not like a separate Evernote. It's good. Like Google Drive. If you have a personal Gmail account and a Google Apps account, you have two Google drives as opposed to this model where you have your Evernote and then you have folders. They're controlled by administrators. When you leave the company, you lose access to that folder and you continue to have access to your personal stuff. Don't know how, like, the whole In and outs of like how easy it is can I just copy stuff from one folder into my personal folder don't know not sure But I thought that this was interesting because the CEO Phil Leiben. I don't know how to pronounce his name, but Phil Likes to like an Evernote to an external brain right and you just wrote an article about how Evernote is one of your external brains.

Justin Edelstein: So I think this is an interesting potential competitor to Google Drive in a way with collaborating around like notes. If you think about a lot of what we do with Google Drive is just taking a lot of notes in Google Docs. So question, does it have real-time collaboration? No, I'm not gonna be able to answer any of these questions really. What use are you? Well, I don't know the answer. I think it's more just shared notes.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, I'm looking over the product list. And again, as an Evernote user, and someone's been using Evernote ever since Merlin Man, shout out, you know, talked about it as sort of the greatest thing ever, I have been using it and love it. So I'm looking at this, like, ooh, Evernote business, what do I get if I were to sort of roll this out for Arkus?

Guest: And what would it or could it replace?

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I don't think it's for us. I mean, just looking at the... See, I would like to compare it to the Google Drive and what you get with Google Drive because you're not just getting Google Drive, you're getting Google Apps. You're getting email, you're getting Calendar, you're getting Drive, and you're getting $4 a month. Right. And this is $10 a user a month and you're getting shared notes.

13:39 Jason Atwood: Right so To me the price point isn't right like that's the thing Google has really and this may be break us into whole Rat hole cloud hole just did that I don't know what happened. There's such a thing as a cloud hole I'm gonna just call you a cloud hole from that is that Google gives so much for that $50 per, and now they do monthly billing, so for $50 a year per person, they give you so much. So much. It's hard to compete against.

Justin Edelstein: Now whether you can use a percentage of it, it's hard to compete against something. Even if you just used it for email and calendar. Right. Or forget the calendar. Even if you just used it for email. $4 per user per month. It's a bargain. For 25 gigabytes or whatever it is. And you. Pretty much don't have to worry about it. Right. Won't go down.

Jason Atwood: Right. Offline, online, tons of space. Use it online.

Justin Edelstein: Use it on a client, wherever you want to use it. Just use it. It's great. And then, then you start layering things on calendar. Okay. Now I've got my sweet. It's like a dollar.

Jason Atwood: I can pay, I'd pay a dollar for a calendar.

Justin Edelstein: Then you add. Draw it's like oh now I've got an offline cloud syncing of physical documents and online collaborative real-time documents.

Jason Atwood: Oh Call Google I could get social you get social if you want the mix the mix is is a ton of stuff Yeah for the enterprise. Oh, yeah,

Justin Edelstein: It's a good deal. Yeah, I don't I don't know why anyone would You know for $10 a user a month leveraging the already existing free desktop apps You know the web the Mac app the iOS the Android Windows desktop, whatever You get two gigs of monthly upload allowance and the company as a whole gets a separate two gig bucket for shared notebooks.

Jason Atwood: But to me that's like, all right, just give me Google Drive. What I'm sure it's a little bit better, well, a couple things I like about Evernote better than Google Drive. Tagging. Right, I could tag, I wish Google Drive I could tag things. Yeah, it used,

Justin Edelstein: Before it was Google Drive and it was just Google Docs. you could sort of tag things because you could put things in multiple folders. So I could see now it's a one folder system.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, I could see this as a way to like, I don't know. I mean,re I love, I love Evernote, but I love it personally. It's kind of like a Dropbox.

Guest: Like I love Dropbox, but I love Dropbox personal. I don't like Dropbox corporate.

Jason Atwood: And it's where if you want to bring in the Salesforce element of this conversation so we can make a Salesforce in I've seen what it, it's not online collaboration, editing of documents.

16:44 Justin Edelstein: How did that happen? I'm not sure. It's not.

Guest: Syncing offline desktop level,

Jason Atwood: Folder level, which something that Evernote doesn't have, right? You don't go to a folder called Evernote on your desktop. And for a lot of what I do, I like offline folder access. I like having folders that I can drag stuff into. Even if they end up syncing to someplace in the sky. I mean my favorite thing to do is to draw is to throw like boarding passes. I just throw them into my I have a folder on my desktop called inbox or outbox of two and I just save the PDF into the into that folder. Well that folder is actually an alias to a Dropbox folder. By doing that I know boom it's everywhere I need it to be. It's like I know I can get to my boarding pass on my phone on my thing.

Jason Atwood: It's like so I don't think about these things anymore but I still want a folder. I wasn't I could have just dropped I could have saved that to Evernote. Look at that,

Justin Edelstein: Chatter's chatting me... That's terrible. You have that on? Yeah.

Guest: I leave that on. Ugh, my iPad Mini just chatted me with chatter.

Jason Atwood: Anyway. I and..., I love it,

Justin Edelstein: I-. I Well, I'm a serious user of Evernote, but I don't pay for it. You're looking at me, you're looking at me like,

Jason Atwood: Well, how do I get? Here's why I would possibly build in Evernote. Because at the bottom line, Evernote Business Premium, everybody who gets Evernote Business,

Guest: Their account turns into a premium account. Why is that important?

Jason Atwood: Can then lock down they can lock down on your devices So right now your iPhone your iPad log in I get to your Evernote. That's all your passwords. That's all your everything You're in so mobile maybe as a company if you know your employees are using Evernote to track anything you like I Could help them by giving them the ability to lock down their devices their own part. Well, like I will I the the,

Justin Edelstein: That. the personal and business and anything business goes in the business stuff question yeah

Jason Atwood: So in Google you need two-factor authentication and the application specific passwords that you need to have there are do you put those in Evernote? Oh, yeah, those are in Evernote. Oh, yeah, so I'm putting applications. Can't really do anything with it though. Yeah, you can you can log into you. You can use them and powerful to say. You start looking at Evern You really want to play in that space. You got to play like the big boys. Dropbox, by the way, has two-factor authentication. Salesforce has two-factor authentication. Google has, has some of the best two-factor authentication. So great. Getting into the start of this, I like it. I think it's a great thing. You know, I want more of these places. I love Evernote. But, you know, I think when you get into enterprise, when you say Evernote for Business, I think you need to step up on some of those games.

20:47 Jason Atwood: And their security right now isn't as good as others. Right.

Justin Edelstein: Alright, well, let's move right along our agenda. That was the worst segui you've ever had. Well, no. not everything has to be some made up you know you should be saying here you go and speaking of business yeah here's the top 10 mistakes you know I don't make software I don't feel like your segways are always so smooth let's talk about these there's 10 in this article on tech Republic again Mike Gerhold button click admin which is where we saw it and read it we love 10 classic mistakes that plague software development projects. We figured we'd each pick one. Now I've got the one that I want to talk to. So number six. Poor communications. So to me, even if a project is going... Arry or going bad. It can't ever go that bad if you communicate Well Right, like you I mean you can always have the the misery of just not being able to do something and all of a sudden It's just like no We're done, but if you're communicating the entire way it won't go there like the generally in IT of the business and then you have the IT team and the IT team is communicating properly with the business then the business is always up to speed not not trying to force things down people's throats or try and solve the problems themselves because they are under they get where things are at every given moment.

Justin Edelstein: It's it vice versa right the business is not commuting correct communicating correctly with it then IT can be going down a path that the business has you know Oh, we sat in a meeting a week ago and never told you that we made a decision. We didn't want that so Communication to me is an extremely important aspect of any project going Going good going well Right. Yeah, I mean I I mean this is like a top ten mistake So the mistake would be poor communication, right?

Jason Atwood: I actually I think there's two in here that I'll make an 11th. I'll make a number. I'll be making it Wait, there's one racing. Yeah, what's the one that's in here that you'd pick? I'm gonna I'm I'm certain that I'm just gonna I'm gonna make it all 11 All right, which I think is is the biggest and most important thing you can do. I'd already be in here I will go ahead and find it is is not chunking. It's not, it's somewhere between, I don't know, I don't have a headline for it I don't know, but it's the idea of being iterative and not making things into one big massive project and breaking them into things that can be shown. Right? So I didn't kind of see that. To me, software development projects, the best thing you can do is get something, it's use the iterative process, use Agile methodology.

Jason Atwood: Get things in front of people fast. The faster you get it in front of the user or the business or whatever, the quicker you learn if you've done it well or not. It's read Eric's, the lean startup, read Cathedral and Bazaar, read Agile methodology books. The best thing to do, and I've been in software development for, I don't know, maybe 20 years, math. No, not 20 years, 17, 16 years, something like that. Get it in front of people, because the sooner you do, you'll know, am I on track? Am I doing right? Or am I off track? And you're gonna get the feedback. I always am most worried when a client doesn't look at something, goes, oh yeah, it's great. Like, yeah, that's why I know, there's a warning. It's like, oh, you didn't look at it.

24:23 Jason Atwood: Like, have you really looked at it? I love when a client's in there telling me, oh, I gotta move a field. called. Can we move that? They have like an hour long discussion, sorry guys, but that they decide, you know, should that field be below the name or to the left of the name? And I'm like, okay, well now you're, but you're like, you're in, you're looking at the details, you're, you know, maybe not looking at the big stuff, but you're looking at the details. Let's get in there, let's talk about it. We talk about the Agile methodology, we talk about doing Salesforce projects, which is a great platform for it because you can build things very quickly and show it to them very quickly....... That to me is the number one thing I've just seen in software development and the biggest projects ever seen that the worst ever went were like they drop off requirements deck 40 or 100.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, I think that was actually one of the issues in there. Which one was it? It was, oh. It didn't seem like it was. in there.

Justin Edelstein: There's one in there that talks to that. Well, there's the pregnant woman mistake, which is... No, I think, I think it's the, the construction, constructing a wall of process one. every single thing needs to go through a 12-step process before it hits a piece of paper which then gets signed off by two more people. And then it goes into a change log which is logged and now you've got like 22 people on a project just logging stuff.

Jason Atwood: That's another good one, I don't know if it's in here. One of the other things I've seen in big software projects that is wrong is like where If I were writing this, I'd say, living for the status. I find that people, and we've been on projects, and you're looking at me nodding, knowing... You mean the red versus the green? Yeah, where people's weekly... They're the weekly status meeting, and the biggest thing about the project, in any one stage of the project, was not what's being builtlandish or is it, can I look at it? Is it red or is it green? It was literally what is the color of the status bar on the big... printable or the big printed out Excel sheet that someone's in full-time job is to maintain that Excel Street and all the open issues and I just remember sitting for these meetings Week after week after week what was going wrong no matter what it was just like living for that status The product nothing the project was absolutely in the worst case But because we could mitigate the risk or these issues were not high level or whatever.

Jason Atwood: It was like it's green you like But we're way over budget and it's green. And everybody lived for that status meeting. So it's like, sometimes if you, and I almost want to say, sometimes if you set something up that's totally repeating every single time and it's like, they go to sleep, like the software sleep, where it's like, oh, show up at the Wednesday status report meeting, next Wednesday status reporting meeting, and then. end up six months later you're like have we done anything? No but we had we had you know 70 the status report meetings and it was green the whole time, how about doing status report meetings when you need statuses? Otherwise how about do the work? All those 17 people around the table, why aren't you guys doing something?

Justin Edelstein: Build stuff. This does not come from the large company at all.

27:31 Jason Atwood: Are you, you know, you're being facetious? Just try and throw it out there. Oh yeah it does. Oh yeah it does. No.

Guest: Mine? My example I just gave? Oh you are trying to be serious.

Jason Atwood: No, it's not. Like those huge companies spend millions of dollars on software that doesn't get produced. That does not happen. That doesn't happen. I. I wonder if any of those people actually listen. Can you imagine if someone could they figure it out and be like really that's what we were like? Really? Really? That's what those two people are up to these days. I'll give an example a side example since we're talking about projects and software development. One of our clients has recently engaged us to do, took our advice from the beginning, actually you're running them so you know this, but took our advice from the beginning of the project where they had a lot they wanted to do. a lot and it was like a S huge list of stuff and they want to do this big project and they want to do big project and we said listen break those into phases make them quick make them phased have them start and stop and you will you'll get there but you know it's hard for people to say phases because in traditional software development phase two could be never like I've I've seen phase two's never happen.

Jason Atwood: So people are day two, phase two.

Justin Edelstein: So they get scared to say things fake phase two because they're like, well, that means agile, iterative method so that each time they've been given something very functional, very usable and people are like really, really. Right. Right.

Jason Atwood: Because then you also know. Because they had to use it. Because by the time you get to phase four, and we say this a lot, when you get to phase four, you've already done three phases. So you know so much more as opposed to if you just projected four months ago what you want to do. I find lots of clients just change their mind because they get to the they get to the first phase like Oh that thing that I thought was so important not so important anymore This particular client was very smart about taking our advice and also

Justin Edelstein: Is very smart about the way that they know Themselves right they know themselves that if they would have given me phase four three months ago and said do all this stuff, right? they wouldn't have gotten what they wanted. Right.

Jason Atwood: Right. And now they get... But it takes... A, it does take more effort because you definitely have to... Like the testing cycle happens four times. The release cycle happens four times. So you have to put in more effort. But you definitely get... You get much better things out of it. And again, you can validate, are we on the right track after the first, second, and third phase without having to get to the fifth phase and be like, oh, we're way off. Plus you get something usable and that can hopefully move the needle of business. I mean, this is a lot of what they talk about in in The big switch big change big switch big switch which is that the speed of business is so fast looking over our shoulders for it Yeah, I don't see it.

Guest: I think one of our newest employees has taken it with them to read. Yes It's on the Arkus reading list. Anyway read that great book. But really talking about how Nicholas Carr. Oh good. Good job.

30:38 Justin Edelstein: Yeah The reason why we saw him speak, before it was Cloudforce, he was like, yeah, I don't know if it was called Cloudforce. It was in New York. It was right after the Dreamforce where they announced force.com. So they were showing off Visualforce for the first time. You were able to see Visualforce. It was cool. Nicholas Carr was a keynote speaker. Right. All right. where he spoke about this is where things are going that was probably back in... I wanna say 2007 maybe? Oh yeah, that was a while ago. Probably? You are then looking up at the... Marchetto... Marchetto infographic of the Dream Forces I think it was in late 2007 early 2008 Anyway, doesn't matter. Alright, oh you just changed your pick! Yeah, I did. Why? Because you didn't want to get ridiculed by me.

Guest: Because I... You didn't want to get ridiculed. Alright, I'll pick both. Well, no. I can't pick whatever one. I'm crazy. Go first. That's the only thing that's not going to change. Alright, I'm picking a game.

Justin Edelstein: What you can't play games on a podcast absolutely there be a cloud game. It's pretty awesome. All right. It's so addicting It's so cool.

Jason Atwood: Let me guess you flick something towards something else for no no no it's like a puzzle game Okay, yeah, it's cool.

Justin Edelstein: It's puzzle. It's it's called flow free for iOS, I think they have it for Android too, it's really flow and it's free from big duck games LLC so big duck games, you can find it on the App Store, an App Store near you and it's a puzzle, like you get four colored There are four different colored dots and there are two of each dot on like a graph on a board and you have to connect the two colored dots and Fill in all the squares in the graph Without you can't like overlap or go over any lines. Okay, so like the lines have to be independent you can't Like cross over like if there's a blue dot and the orange dot you can't take the blue line and go over the orange line. I think I saw someone playing this on the plane the other day.

Justin Edelstein: Oh, they might have been, because it's really addicting. Once you start, you can't stop. And it starts with like a 5x5 grid with four colors, and it goes all the way up to a 9x9 grid, where it gets really,

Jason Atwood: Really hard. It does have 21,000 customer reviews or ratings? That's crazy. It's like...

Justin Edelstein: I feel like it's the new hot like what was that draw? Draw something draw something like this is like the next draw something I'm like about it with my people you play by yourself play by yourself But it's fun as all can be and it it It's really addicting you you you download that on your little iPad mini. You'll have a lot of fun. Oh, is it? Is it universal yeah go on the I get it on the mini cuz it's good on the mini It's a nice perfect size for it.

33:48 Jason Atwood: I Was just actually gonna it's free I Was gonna I'm actually texting the wife because you picked the game so I was gonna fire back with the game She's playing this game that she just loved and literally I can't I ever gonna look over her She's playing it.

Justin Edelstein: So I was just gonna try to find it out But maybe I'll wait for next week flow-free is really good little like time waster like You know, you're sitting there, you're like, oh, there's a commercial, I'm gonna just play like two rounds of Flow Free and boom, boom, you do a couple rounds and then the show's back and you put the mini down. I just- Addicted to my mini, by the way. Oh, the mini is- I use it so much more than I, I ever used my iPad.

Jason Atwood: Here's the thing, here's the thing, I'd love to have a, I'd love to know. If I had handed you, so I know you probably think it's because it's the mini, but I have a theory that anything new given to someone that has new functionality they didn't have before, then becomes loved.

Justin Edelstein: Untrue. Oh, I had it a little bit. I know. But I bought it when it came out. I know. And it lost its love and feeling. But I didn't use it when I got it. Oh, whoa.

Jason Atwood: Right, but then getting a new one and then you hook it up and you're like, oh now I can use well But then I started using my iPad right it became your bed pad But now

Justin Edelstein: I have the mini and I really it's I think it's really just the size the weight of it Like now I pick up the little lady's iPad and I'm like, this is frickin heavy. Oh, I think I've had three Oh, I I haven't I'm so heavy. It is this to have you I never had but I don't want it No, the iPad Mini is awesome.

Jason Atwood: I traveled with it, so I did the thing. That was the one thing I was worried about, like, okay, but the screen,

Justin Edelstein: When I'm traveling, I want to watch a video. I was watching a... No, I just watched the entire first season of Deadwood on HBO Go on my iPad Mini, and it was great.

Jason Atwood: So I was...

Justin Edelstein: Traveling... It was so good. He's just... He's gonna keep it around. He's trying to get it out of me now.

Jason Atwood: And I watched... I watched Gold Rush, season two of Gold Rush, and I'm really enjoying it. Season two's good. And watching the mini, and putting the mini on the, you know, on the, in the plane in front of me and watching it. Yeah. I would say it's not as nice as watching it on a big, but the drawback of having this tiny little thing that like, weighs nothing.

Guest: Yeah, it is truly something.

Justin Edelstein: It'll be a big, several Christmas. You're watching... Gold Rush season two season two on Netflix streaming no bought it bought it

Jason Atwood: You bought it Yeah, couldn't wait you can't stream it on planes. Anyway, they won't let you know It's just too slow, but it's I think the whole thing about buying iTunes I mean, yes, you pay for it, but man you want an episode you can download to deer You do your thing show all download another one delete it when you're done with it.

Guest: I'm like the management of the of the episodes once you have bought it is like it's so nice. You don't have to sink the whole season over.

Justin Edelstein: You just grab a few. Yep. Good to go. Yeah.

Jason Atwood: And you get to your hotel. Oh I just watched it too. Let me get two more before I get back on the plane. It's like that is such a great experience. I'm going on a cruise in December.

Justin Edelstein: I'm going to bring the mini with me. Yep. But that's the kind of thing where you sort of have to rload her up. Yeah. Oh yeah. You can't rely on the cruise for Wi-Fi. No, I went on one last year. You want to download something? $0.25 a minute. Yeah, you want to download something? That'll take four hours and we'll cost you about like $600.

37:09 Jason Atwood: Well, you get the ports and then you hook up to a 4G hotspot and then you download stuff on that one. It's hot stuff. Alright,

Guest: I'm gonna make my pick. I changed my pick. Have I made, have I picked this? Maybe.

Justin Edelstein: Really? Why don't you just stick with the original pick and I'll just make funny about it. No. Why don't I just go look up to see if I've actually picked this. I feel like you did not pick this. I feel like you picked the Google version of this.

Jason Atwood: I picked the Google version of it? Yeah.

Guest: Oh, no, I picked the reader.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. I feel like you did the Google music or something. Searching through our... through our page. You didn't. Okay.

Jason Atwood: Just do this anyway. This is a neat little app and I'll tell you why it's so yeah, there's tons of different versions of this piece of software. It's called the Amazon cloud player. why would you want this? Well, Amazon for you Amazon people and for you prime people who I didn't even realize.

Justin Edelstein: The little lady is a prime person.

Guest: So I've got it. Yes. Well, you have to sign up with her account on this.

Jason Atwood: But you then get access to, they have 10,000 videos. We talked about when I bought the Roku, like you get Amazon. Well, this is their version of their ability to watch their videos on the iPad. So you can see it. It's called the Amazon Cloud Player.

Guest: So for things like...

Justin Edelstein: Oh yeah, 30 for 30. 30 for 30. Well those are on Netflix too.

Jason Atwood: Right, they're on Netflix. But I think with this, you can take a copy down in the player. Oh really? Maybe I can't. That would be nice. I thought that was the thing you could do that was so hot with it. 30 for 30s I love. So it's kind of like, it's competitive to Netflix in that. But if you have Amazon Prime membership and you don't have Netflix, you get all this stuff. They have tons and tons of movies. It's a nice little app on the iPad. It's the only way you can watch all those Amazon videos that you have access to or buy on your thing. So it's called Amazon Instant Video, Amazon Cloud Player,

Guest: Available. I think they just Knew it with For iPad mini viewing nice.

Jason Atwood: It's just it's just I say this to my wife all the time I said we're in the we're in the Golden Age of TV Golden Age Totally so much good television. Well the best Wherever yeah the best TV that's ever been produced I think I think TV now and I probably had this on the podcast TV for me is better than movies.

Guest: I don't enjoy movies as much because TV shows are so good,

Justin Edelstein: So involving you watch. Especially with the cable dramas have really stepped it up. The hour long dramas on cable, like the AMC's, the FX's,

Jason Atwood: HBO Showtime, all those networks have really good. Shows I saw a teaser on the bus for for Game of Thrones on but 331 1313 let's do it. I was like I'm now Anyway, so that's my Amazon club where free and All the content the nice thing is your prime member. There's tons and tons of stuff you can watch for free. Can't wait Yeah, so Use your Amazon Cloud Player. And you know, it's more cloudy stuff. Alright, that's it for us. Head to blog.arcasync.com to get all the blog posts and podcasts. Head to twitter.com slash ArcaSync. If you want to follow the company, Facebook.com slash ArcaSync. We're also on the Google Plus and on the LinkedIn. You can find us there. Just search for Arkus. And if you want to follow either Justin or myself, we're at twitter.com slash JustEttleston and twitter.com slash JasonMAtwood.

40:44 Jason Atwood: Until next week, we'll be back with another episode of CloudFocus Weekly and more picks and more random discussions of facts that you didn't know.

Guest: Until then, and as always, enjoy those cloudy days.