Spring 13 Madness - Episode #121 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 121st episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the third week of January 2013. This episode is titled Spring 13 Madness, Madness, Madness. Have folks we spot to you. Bye Arkus I've got to be your experts. I'm your host, Jason Alredin, joining me for the hundred and twenty first time here in the 17th Podcasting Studio, now in a darker room, not really made for podcasting. We've been kicked out first three podcasting studios. How many studios have we gone through? We have a lot of studios. Over the course of...

Justin Edelstein: Our 121 episodes.

Jason Atwood: We've been through at least five videos. At least five. We count like Dreamforce and Hotel Room. Oh wow, forget it. Yeah. We podcast from anywhere. Anywhere. I wish the mics were smaller and like more mobile. Because then we're in the cloud.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, these are not cloud mics. These are not cloud mics. These are dirt mics.

Jason Atwood: Server mics. Speaking of server mics, we have an agenda today. Always speaking of something. Speaking of something. We have two blog posts, one that's up and one that'll be up, but they're related, so we will talk about them. About Spring 13, Salesforce's latest release coming out in a couple weeks. And then you're gonna tell me all about relationships 2.0 from the non-profit starter pack. I am. And then I'm gonna tell you all about going pro with Dropbox. Sweet.

Justin Edelstein: And then we're gonna do some app picks and then you already stole my app pick. You can't steal anything. thing. You stole I created the agenda therefore I had the opportunity to make my pick first That's true. You also are generally truant in putting your picks in the agenda Because you don't want me to see them before you pick them. That's right so that gives me the opportunity to Pick things that you may have wanted to pick because I know we both got the same thing on the same

Jason Atwood: So I'm gonna say your pick is good, but my picks will be more exciting when you hear about it Can't wait. I see that's why I can't the way I can't

Justin Edelstein: Wait I love hearing about your super exciting pic I should have I have an old pic follow-up and then I have a buddy goodie and then I have a

Jason Atwood: An old pic new Version so let's jump in to spring 13. So there are so if a vita blog.arka sink.com. There are As of tomorrow, so right now there's one called spring 13 rapid reaction, which we didn't didn't week, right? Right? Perfectly. We skipped it purposely. And then there'll be another one up in the blogging series called, why sales people, or what sales people, should be excited about for spring 13?

Justin Edelstein: I don't know. Is it why sales people? It's why sales people should be excited about spring 13. OK.

Jason Atwood: So from a sales perspective. From a very much from a sales perspective. perspective. We thought that... Is there another one coming up called Why Janitors Should Be Happy About Spring 13 Releases? Maybe, but we always do these release notes, the rapid

Justin Edelstein: Reactions and they're very broad stroke just like the release notes have become very broad. 147 pages. Lots of lots of pages and density and all the different products are all being covered. So we decided that we would this year focus... on sales primarily because for the whole Salesforce thing still think of Salesforce a lot as still Salesforce automation as its core thing that it does. 95% of people who use it use it. So we wanted to focus on that a little bit with a follow on to the rapid reactions for specifically for sales people.

03:42 Jason Atwood: Are you saying it's like written for the dumb sales guy to read? Yeah. All right. That's what I'm saying. All right. So why don't we talk about, let's talk about them both. Why don't you pick one feature out of the rapid reh- your blog post

Justin Edelstein: And tell me what your favorite one is. I usually get five and in here there are, are there five? One, two, three, four, five. Okay. So I'm gonna pick one that has annoyed me for the last... Couple of months that they're rectifying. Okay, and it's the add a single contact to a shared activity and While that seems like a ridiculous title for a feature. I had a single contact to a shared activity you know, counterintuitive.

Jason Atwood: Let-s just be clear, they broke something, and they're fixing it with a feed.

Justin Edelstein: So back in the day, before shared activities, before many who, you used to, when creating an activity, be able to click in the way you were relating it to a contact. and just start typing someone's name.

Jason Atwood: Activities, events, and tasks. I'm surprised that that one made it by the usability team. It's one of the ones that like, if they had had me, and I just sat through a usability testing with Salesforce and went over one of their features or stuff that's going to come out.

Justin Edelstein: I don't know what I can talk about. I love doing that. You can't talk about anything.

Jason Atwood: Yeah. So I'm not going to talk about anything other than I was there or maybe it wasn't you who knows. You can't even. prove that I was there. Well, they recorded so they can prove it. That's true. They can prove it. And I'm just surprised that that made it through because it went from It meant from something by the way you could do without losing your mouse right to something you had to use a mouse to click Once twice three times in a row so so having

Justin Edelstein: To you know now that you now you will be able to once again Just start typing a person's name in the contact the name field and and on an activity, Fixing something you broke by giving us more functionality It's interesting that you picked that one because out of like a hundred seven pages so much. That's true. I use Salesforce automation I use tasks. I use events. I use them a lot. So this is a feature that Hits me hard at home.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, the one I'm most interested from your list anyway is from your list is the tasks and chatter feeds. Like to me, and actually a customer asked me about this, so they actually said what's new in the release notes. I'm like, don't you read our blog?F and I said, so I kind of went to your blog list, I said, oh, well, here's what we picked out as a bunch of stuff. And I, and this task in the, in the chatter feed, what does that mean? I said, well, I think it means that everything's going into chatter and tasks are natural. There's something that are very useful. but they get lost in a related list, way down in the bells of the 50-60 related list or 10-15 related lists you have. And abundy bubbling them up into chatter, which is where people are working.

07:12 Jason Atwood: And that's the theory. That's why approvals went up there, or the chatter approvals. So it's kind of like, OK, I'm doing chatter approvals and I'm doing. Tasking, you can just see this natural progression where chatter is going to. to handle a lot of other things. I could see eventually being able to update fields on a record sort of Siri- Right, like you say Siri remind make me a reminder for tomorrow at 2 p.m. To water the plants I could see you typing into chatter And again, maybe I'm just crazy thinking here, you know update this opportunity to close one, make the closed date today and do this and Chatter would then take that and push it down into the actual field. Have you played with this yet?

Justin Edelstein: No.h You haven't. So I've played with it. Oh, Spring 13 org. Is it good or no? It's good. You're thinking about it from one angle. Yeah, I create a task and it shows up in my Chatter feed but There's the other angle, which is actually the better one, which is the quick creation of a task. From a chatter feed. From a chatter feed. So you're in chatter, and now you have the, I don't even know what they all are now, but you have the polls and files link. Well, you're gonna have another one that just says task. And you click that, and it asks you for a subject and a date. And you click save. And boom, task creating. You're already on the record. What but on the side to you? Oh, no, it's just a quick create.

Justin Edelstein: It's literally like a It may be something that people end up hating but I like a lot of admins turn off that sidebar quick create Right thing because it we just violate some rules around you know, validation rules and whatnot. But this is just a really quick way to create a task. And it shows up in the chatter feed. There are some downfalls. But it creates a real task. It creates a real task. Open activity task. Assign to yourself. Okay. Well, I mean, that's the default behavior for creating a task anyway.

Jason Atwood: It assigns it to yourself. Yeah, right? Obviously you're gonna have the opportunity to change. But I feel like the power of chatter. here. the power of task is not assigning task to myself, the power of task is sending to other people. And I could see in the world of approval land, in chatter approvals, like this or, because again, we use chatter a lot like this, we use it as a hey, you know, mention, did you do this, hey, blah, blah, blah. So I thought you were gonna do like, mention then task and then. Yeah, there's not even a body to it. Okay to the post so it's no even what I'm called.

Justin Edelstein: No, there's comments chatter comments, but do they go into the comments of the task? That I don't know. I haven't played with it enough. My guess is no here's how I know I'm gonna hate it because well Well, there's a bunch of things you're gonna not like about it and I wrote about them in the blog post There's some limitations like you know, if you re relate the task to something else the chatter feed doesn't go with it so it stays on the old record. That makes sense. If you relate the task to two things, there's two separate chatter posts. So like on let's say like on a opportunity and a contact, two separate chatter posts. Therefore, if you're following both, you're going to see it twice in your feet. You could comment on one or the other.

10:33 Justin Edelstein: So there's some things that need to be worked on, but it's a step in the right direction.

Jason Atwood: For me, tasking is so core to who I am. Sort of, I wouldn't call me a taskmaster, but kind of, I would. And I'm so deep in that land that if TASS... Tasks not taken seriously are done right kind of bugged me.

Justin Edelstein: So this is gonna be 1.0 of something that they're gonna really yeah, I mean, you know again Hacks back some kinks to need to be worked out as a matter of fact, I think in our in the blog post I Think I wrote all the things that people should go put ideas in the idea exchange you're ready for because of all the limitations that you're going to find. But it's a step in the right direction.

Jason Atwood: So moving on to the next one, why the sales team for one. I'm just going to bring up the one feature. It's mentioned three. The unnamed one has mentioned three different features. I think the one that I'm excited about and the one that that's sort of... will splash the biggest is definitely the side, the general, release of the Outlook side panel, which for those of you don't know, if you install the Outlook plugin and configure it and configure it in Salesforce as using the beta, I guess maybe no longer beta side panel, it does what we've talked about before. Cirrus does as a, Cirrus does it in Gmail, Zopany. Does it, does it, may still do it. And lane point 360 does it. Or lane point is a outlook thing of it. But basically when you're on a, when you're basically when you're on a, an email of somebody it just automatically hooks that person up in Salesforce and brings back context around this person.

Jason Atwood: So who they are from the Salesforce side. So it's basically giving you context. This is going to be. I mean, part of me is so excited for this. Part of a little bit like, oh, people in the Outlook more, which I'm a little bit more excited about because... Well,

Justin Edelstein: People don't leave Outlook. They love it. It is what it is. It's a big selling point of Salesforce is that they have this native integration. This just makes it better. It just makes it better. It is what it is. People love their their outlook. And they use it because that's where they live. They lit a lot of people for better or you know. As their job they just sitting there and box is always on their screen and they're just waiting for the next email and the email comes and now they get more information they get opportunities they get activities they get the accounts contact data. Yeah, it's cool. Obviously I've seen it because it's been out in beta and it's cool.

Jason Atwood: I've seen it working. Yeah, I've actually installed and set it up on my machine on a virtual outlook because I really wanted to play around with it. Yeah, it's very nice. And I guess if I was a power outlook user, I guess I just feel a little left out because my mail user like mail that app, I don't use the Gmail very often, even though it is the back end of my mail. So I feel a little left out and I feel a little bit like it's just going to keep people, you know, we like to, as we consult on Salesforce, we like to get people into Salesforce to do the work and not to sit in Outlook so much. So I think this, it gives value to Salesforce, but it keeps people in Outlook, which there's still so much stuff you're missing if you're not in Salesforce, right?

13:49 Jason Atwood: Those four fields you can see, okay. day. You might not have been, I was setting up an account, sorry, contact the other day, and I was adding on a lot of fields because they track a lot of stuff. None of that's gonna show up.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I just did the same thing. I had to create for one of our clients a contact, the contact object has like seven record types and a hundred. Some odd custom field. There you go seven different page layouts and different stuff and none of that's gonna open any outlook and valuable stuff Like you know and all the stuff they actually

Jason Atwood: Care about Validation rules to say if you if you check the box retired then it should then make you fill out You know the retired date and you should and it's also just up to you get when you're in Salesforce that I just worry that If you sit and outlook you're not gonna. Well, there's the cool.

Justin Edelstein: The cool part is that you can click and one click in one click in already off single sign on yeah you're already authenticated through kind of through the plug-in itself well that's nice so you're not that you're never that you're never more than a click away from actually getting into sales force that might help people which is very useful click the browser right if you click and then you have to log in it's like this is a pain forget it i don't even care.

Jason Atwood: What I do care about is relationships 2.0. So talk to me about it.

Justin Edelstein: So for those nonprofit practitioners out there, and I know there's a few who are listening, the nonprofit starter pack has delivered or is delivering relationships 2.0. There is a webinar about it literally today. The YouTube video of it is already up. It's not I'll say it's not the greatest demo in the world. But anyway Relationships are what they sound like. They're a connection between two contacts And it's reciprocal. So can you insult justice package? I Will have to look into that for you I know lots of the nonprofit starter pack are bits and pieces and you can install just bits of it Like we at our kiss use use affiliations, which is part of the nonprofit starter pack I have a feeling relationships can be installed on its own. I don't know so so it's a connection between two people and it's reciprocal so You and I are friends so that would be you know, when maybe co-workers go or you know, you can create a relationship record between from the from the Jason Atwood contact, it's a related list, create new relationship.

Justin Edelstein: And you relate it to another reciprocal relationship on the Justin side, where whatever you say is the opposite of friend or co-worker I guess those are bad examples. Well co-worker would be same but like. Same but you can have mother daughter. Right. Or you know. Father. Husband. Wife. Husband. Right. And it creates so if I'm looking at the Jason Atwood record and then I'm looking at the Sarah Atwood record. So very much what a partner's does.

17:04 Jason Atwood: Very much right. Right.

Justin Edelstein: Except it does a few other things and it used to do it really poorly now it's doing it really. What looks like very well it has the current former it has a really cool Text formula field that understands That it is current or former and understands the nature of the relationship So it'll show a little text that says Jason Atwood is currently married to Sarah Atwood.

Jason Atwood: A neat little text formula. So instead of actually showing just, so instead of showing the... It shows everything, but it also has this little formula that you

Justin Edelstein: Can use to like, just at a glance right, I can look at the Jason Atwood record and I can see all the relationships. So instead of seeing a column, former,

Jason Atwood: Or title married, whatever, you see that sentence. It puts it all together. It's pretty nice. There's also a relationship viewer. were. which is kind of neat. I saw this being demoed on your screen and I kind of looked at it and I went, whoa, that looks very cool, but it looks like a lot of eye candy. Is it like useful?

Justin Edelstein: It looks useful because it can, you can move and traverse through relationships and it did like two or three levels down too. So. It's a graphical representation of the person who you click the button from, the contact, is in the middle and all their relationships are kind of spoked out like wheels. And in the little lines it says what the relationship to that person is, son, daughter. whatever and like in some cases it's a former coworker friend. So it's like they were formerly, you know, the status and who they and what it is, it sort of keeps that. It says they used to work together and now they're friends. And then it can do like the level down even. it can go further, kind of like... in somebody reports to field it can auto create a relationship that is employee.

20:06 Justin Edelstein: The a that a a a a a died like So, cool stuff. Keep it going, nonprofit starter. I like it. I like to use it for the, I tweeted it the agenda.

Jason Atwood: You went pro a drop box. Why'd you go. GoPro. I've, it's funny because I guess last year, so I was going to say the year of going pro, I went pro with Evernote last year, talked about that, and that was based on security. I started to track things I never wanted to have people be able to get into and on the iOS device, just put an extra password on it and that was kind of, you know, oh and And you can have them sunk down, so you can have them. they're resident on your device so you don't need to have internet connection to,, personally, but actually I started using Dropbox because you can have Dropbox and Google Drive running at the same time. And I like the features of Dropbox. Dropbox has great iOS apps, actually better than Google Drive.

Jason Atwood: And the thing that it doesn't do is the thing that I don't care about, which is I doesn't allow you to collaborate on documents. Like I can't open up a document and collaborate with you at the same time. So I don't care about that in Dropbox. I want a place to put things in folders. I want to really sync and I want to really get to them from any device anywhere and know that there's a copy of them basically. So I had a bunch of stuff in there but I was always limited by the space. It was like four, it was like three gigs but then if you invited friends I got it up to like four and a half. You invited me. I know I gave you half. So I got like four and a half and eventually I went, it was this morning, I went to look for a screenshot of something that I sent out.

Jason Atwood: You saw a copy of it from an old old website I used to work on. So I went to look for it. I couldn't find on my drive. I couldn't find I could where is it? And I said, oh, I remember that I dropped it on my drobo that all so couldn't put in Dropbox It was not enough space and so so I was like that's it. I'm done So I just went paid for Dropbox the full version or you just pay for space Which is if I were Dropbox I would make I would make there more in there because it feels like just space you fucking why how much space did you get? 100 hundred gigabytes. Yes. I now You paid by the No, you pay like a yearly or a monthly fee and then you get the space So it's one price for a hundred gigabytes.

23:33 Jason Atwood: It's 99 dollars for the year for 100 Is there 50 gigabyte plan? No, it's a hundred and three hundred gig. Yeah, it's 300. It's a hundred nup Hundred was the lowest. I wish I could have bought five I would have bought five for like two bucks, but I couldn't I bought a hundred I don't know you would have went to five gigabytes. Well, I would have gone to ten Like if I could have bought five more, I would go drive you can you can buy in chunks of 20, so you can buy 20, 40, 60, 80. So first step's 100, and then can you go up to a terabyte? I don't know. How far can you take it? I don't know. But you have 100 gigabytes. Yeah, and I think it's not a big deal, but I then went to my Drobo, and I copied over 15 gigabytes worth of old files and stuff.

Jason Atwood: How much did that take? Oh, not right. Not for a... Oh, to actually sync up? I don't know if it's done yet.

Justin Edelstein: I might pause. If it was on the road, I'd have it on a laptop doing it on the road. So I'll probably set it. Any difference in support or anything like that? Oh, I don't know. I don't know about any of that. I just bought more features. You know, more features, just space.

Jason Atwood: I would, again, if I were Dropbox, not that they're listening, I would, like Evernote does, I would build a couple other things. I'd put in a couple other things. Just give me a little something. Well... Not just space. Space doesn't feel like it doesn't feel like you get that. Even if you said it was really just space. And maybe there's stuff into that I didn't see. I just needed a space. So I did it. And again, it's been so reliable and so good for over a year or two years I've been using it. I was like, I'm in. Because I always try them and I'm like, well, what happens if it's not very good? Like, you know, we tried iDisk for a while and it kind of turned out to be a mobile me and this has been so reliable, so good.

Jason Atwood: Multiple platforms, you know, syncs it. It's great sharing. You go into a folder, click on one file, share it out. Like it's great stuff. So anyway, went to that. So that is not my cloud flows pick of the week. No, but what's yours?

Justin Edelstein: All right. So let's get to the cloud focus pick of the week. I am picking something that someone got me for the holidays finally getting around to picking it and Picking the it's called the we most switch from Belkin So we mo is capital W e capital M. Oh, I'd love to act like I don't know what you're talking about You but not only not

Jason Atwood: Only did I have one but I went in about two more of them two more is there so cool So the WeMo, what's a WeMo?

Justin Edelstein: So there's two different, well there's a bunch of different kinds of WeMo. I'm talking specifically about and I think the Switch is like $45 bucks. There's ranges.

Jason Atwood: $47.50 on Amazon right now.

Justin Edelstein: So they range. Oh and you're using it right now. So the WeMo is it looks like a plug, like an electric. plug that you plug into your wall and it itself then has a plug on the on the outside so it is a switch you plug it in you can then plug a lamp or anything with an electrical socket into it yes now that doesn't sound very exciting not at all here's where the exciting part comes it is controllable via your mobile device, the switch itself. So the switch creates its own little wifi network,

26:50 Jason Atwood: Sort of. To set it up. Yeah, to set it up. But eventually, it's meant to join your wifi network where you connect it. So you then connect it up to your wifi network.

Justin Edelstein: Yes. And then all of a sudden it's this like networked switch. So from anywhere. Well, I'm really talk about that because that's it's I thought it was just gonna work with on my what at when I was On my Wi-Fi network because the switch is on my Wi-Fi network. So I plugged my lamp into it, right? I turned my lamp on great. I plug it in lamps on I download the app. We got the app on my iPhone It's called the we mo app. Yep I named my switch my lamp and I could turn my lamp on and off right on your iPhone by clicking a little button on my iPhone. Yep, so I'm basically Controlling the switch from my iPhone very cool. So cool then I come to your place I'm no longer on my network and I'm like, oh, I wonder if I can control my Wiimos from here And I can yeah, which kind of seemed like if I have an internet connection I can control this switch in my house

Jason Atwood: Yeah, so there's two things to that so you've described it very well I went and bought two more so I now have three of them around my

Justin Edelstein: House Yeah, and I've done I've went further because I programmed one. Yeah. Well, they have right they have timers so the app itself is you can either just straight use it to turn things on or off. Or you can set it on, you can set the switch on a timer, like a lot of people when they go on holidays, when they go away, they set a lamp to go on and off at like, you know, 7 a.m. to like 11 p.m. or whatever to make it look like their home. Yep. Doesn't fool anybody, but whatever.

Jason Atwood: So I then went for a walk and walked the dog and I was on, you know, AT&T networks straight up, not connected and I looked on the WeMo and it tells you the nice thing about on the app, it... and it makes sense, but it tells you what switches are on. So you can literally peer into your house, sorta, and know, oh, and I have three. Yeah, it's green. That means. The light in the living room is on. That means I can, A, know if something's on a way and turn it off, or B, know someone's home using that light. So it gets kind of weird that way. But yes, you can control it. So then I sort of had to think about it. Like, wait a second. That means I can... That means...

Jason Atwood: There's an outside network connection somehow that I can get into and look at that WeMo. I'm not sure how it's done. I mean, I have theories. But anyway, very, very cool. It's cool.

Justin Edelstein: It's from Belkin who makes tons of stuff. You can go to Belkin.com slash US slash WeMo. and take a look, you can also Google WeMo and you'll find it. Really cool, and they've got other WeMo things too, like they have motion sensors. That's it, they actually only have two things. But they have this coming out in the future, like real switches, just built in like WeMo Switch. So you put it on your wall,

Jason Atwood: A wall switch, and then you can control that wall switch, which I think is when it gets really interesting. WeMo's pretty cool. I will then need 17 WeMo's. It's like the networked house.

29:52 Justin Edelstein: Without having to really network your house.

Jason Atwood: And we'll see. I'm actually testing. I want three now. I'm playing with them all over the place. Do they show up? Can I do it? I have one.

Justin Edelstein: I can think of one other place where I'd want another one. So I might get another one, but the switch itself, I will say, is a bit bulky. Yeah, it is bulky. So if you think you're going to just like plug it into a power strip and it's not going to take up three or four spots, you'd be mistaken.

Jason Atwood: It's pretty bulky. Any other things, is it only on Apple? It's on Android, it's one thing. So Android's coming this summer. I've clearly done some research on this. And then the other thing is you can hook it up to if this, then that, which has been one of my picks of the week. So you can now, now why you would want to do this, but you could, you could control it from Twitter. You could tweet a hashtag and every time you did, it would then turn it on or off. don't know why you would do that. Why you would do that instead of just opening the app? But if this then that can, can hook up to lots of different services. So maybe. That's your way around it if you're an Android user, I guess.

Jason Atwood: Maybe there's things you think about or do or whatever emails you send that turn on all your lights. You send an email to some service. I don't know, it's weird. But anyway, great pick. What's your pick? My pick is, just a little half, nothing. You know, only Instacast three.

Justin Edelstein: Ooh, new my mind. Drop the bomb on you. I don't think mine's updated. No, it's new. Oh, it's not gonna update. I have to buy another one. You know what? That might force me to not use Instacast anymore. So I have been having an issue. You just stick with pod - I'll just switch to podcasts from iOS. Well, let me explain.

Jason Atwood: Tell me why I need to play. So I have been going back and forth very frustrated with both podcasts and Instacast. They both kind of do a little bit of something, but they don't either do what I wanted to do is basically have it sink better So I've always been just having to You know on my iPad or on my phone and just have it sort of be the same Like okay, you know so I've subscribed the same things and they both do a job like the old versions of at least keeping what you Have subscribed to So like if you subscribe to the Cloud where we do podcasts, it'll then download on both sides I. But doesn't really do a good job keeping what you read and where you are. And I found a feature in podcasts I really like, which is sleep timer.

Jason Atwood: So you can actually set a sleep timer when you're going to bed. Like I don't want to listen to, you know, 45 minutes of Jason and Justin. I just want to listen to 20 minutes and I'll be asleep. So in podcasts, you could say 20 minutes sleep timer. So I went searching and I'm like, I need to find out why Instacast doesn't have this feature. And then I found Instacast 3. And I was like, well, why is my update it? Because it's a brand new app. Brand new. $4.99,

Justin Edelstein: But it looks like the ver- It is actually- It is actually universal this time. Universal this time. And it- But that's more than- No, because the

Jason Atwood: First one was $4.99 plus a $6.99. That was $1.99.

Justin Edelstein: I might have gotten it really early. Yeah, whatever.

Jason Atwood: So, but here's the thing. They've moved, so then I say, oh, do they sync? Yes, they sync. How do they sync? They don't sync using iCloud. They created their own sync because of iCloud's limitations.

Justin Edelstein: And I tested. And the syncing interesting.

32:54 Jason Atwood: Yeah. And it works much better. They said there's lots of limitations and what you can do over iCloud sync. I was testing it using podcasts, try and sync things back and forth. I wanted to see if I subscribe to something here, does it show up on the other one? And if I listen to something here, does it show up as red on the other one? That's all I wanted it to do. If I have a show on one device, I want to be able to go... Pick up... Right. Yeah, pick up where I am. Makes sense. Like this show. You'd Rit now. Yep. And then you go to the other device. You'd go and listen. Anyway, Iseguessu does that. Nice new features. It's got a couple of stuff. It has a sleep timer, it has a new interface.

Jason Atwood: Is it really worth $4.99? Only if you're a real big podcast listener. I literally subscribe to like seven or eight podcasts now. And I like the granularity of the control to say videos for these two podcasts download, but videos for these just tell me they're there because I might or might not want, like Ted, I don't download every Ted.... But every but meet the press download it every week because I wanted it has gotten

Justin Edelstein: A lot better I will say it used to not respect my Preferences for what to do with old Right and delete or not delete or not delete It used to just just keep men I'd run out of like storage and just have like 30 episodes of something all of a sudden That's a daily now. It just I tell it, I only want the newest one down, so I could start it if I'm not somewhere where I can stream it. And it does that. So that's all I actually care about, so I'm likely not making this upgrade.

Jason Atwood: I have found that- Unless they're gonna just stop supporting me. Well, of course it'll eventually stop. Again, you spend a lot of time Kislyak's podcast, you should probably do it. So it's like- you know, whatever.

Justin Edelstein: But then there's podcasts from iOS, which I've never really given a shot. You should, you should give it a shot. You'll go screaming back.

Jason Atwood: Cause it's just not as good. I'll tell you one thing, show notes. Show notes and Instacast, there are some podcasts, not this one, maybe we will this year, but there are some podcasts that list a really good set of show notes with links to things. Podcast doesn't give you any of that. It doesn't- Don't we give the people a little something? We give them like- a note but we don't give like links to everything we do. Like we don't put the links to the app. We don't put it in the show notes on the- Why do we not do that? We put it in the show notes on the web. Oh. Not in the actual thing. Shouldn't we do that? Yeah, we'll talk to the blog post master or whatever. That's you.

Justin Edelstein: I'm talking to him. Whatever. So anyway- Give the people what they want.

Jason Atwood: I am in Succast 3. I'm gonna test it. I'm heading off on a trip this weekend. I got lots of things I got a new podcast I'm listening to. I will tell you I will test it on both devices I will try it instantly to see how well it keeps up. You know what would be cool? If you could share it with me Share what with you?

Justin Edelstein: Well, if you could like I don't know if you can do this or not I've never tried but you just I think you were telling me like, oh, there's this new podcast I'm listening to and I should be listening to it too. Because I would like it. Can you like click some sort of share button and it sends me some sort of cryptic message that boom, it just goes into my instacast. You know what puts it into my instacast somehow? I am. I don't know if it sends me a an eye message and then I can... Boom, it's in my insta cast.

36:07 Jason Atwood: I don't know. I mean I'm gonna send it to you right now and we'll see What's that? How are you sending it to me? Email? All right. Yeah, so I just sent you by email There's actually a bunch of them this show in iTunes copy RSS Earl send Earl as email and tweet Earl That's to the actual podcast. I wonder if when I get this email if I click it Well, what will it do? Well, it'll open up and I think it'll say what do you want to open this up in and and and Now I don't know if Instacast 2 will feature this, but whatever, give it a shot. I'm gonna give it a shot. You give it a shot right now. Well, close up the show while you give it a shot. Right.

Jason Atwood: We are almost done. All right, well, that's it. This week, remember, you can follow justEddlestein and Jason M. Atwood on the Twitter.

Justin Edelstein: It opened in Instacast, and it asked me if I wanted to subscribe.

Jason Atwood: Boom, subscribe. Boom, that's it. That just happened. That just happened. That was pretty cool. That was cool. We need to be tweeting our podcast. If you want to subscribe to CloudFocus Weekly, go to iTunes and subscribe there. Use Instacast or two or three. Use podcasts. It almost makes me want to go back. I'm sorry, I have to stop. It almost makes me want to go back and retry all of them because I feel like they might've had a lot of updates since I wrote that blog post a year ago. and maybe some of them are really killer or better in some ways. Anyway, go to blog.arkusinc.com and, oh, we're in the, we're in the Dreamforce portal. If you're still in there, you can go hang out. We're still there and talk about that.

Jason Atwood: And until next week, we'll be back with another episode. Justin and Jason anyway, CloudFocus Weekly, and as always, enjoy those cloudy days.