30th Spring - Episode #165 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:20 Jason Atwood: This is the 165th episode Cops Specialized in Salesforce Invitation Consulting Foursetcom Development and other such fun things as having a rock that's named Arkey Search for Arkey on the AppExchange and read what our clients have to say about us I'm your host, Jason Atwood and joining me co-host, Hurt in the Knee not because of anything Very stupidly If it's stupidly hurting the knee, co-host Justin Edelstein. Justin, how are you doing today? Why is this thing under the table?

Justin Edelstein: I just smashed my knee into the table. You mean the thing that holds the table up? Maybe I feel like this table's been rotated and it's not always like this. Maybe you just want to pay attention. I typically sit here and I've never banged my knee like that. That hurt.

Jason Atwood: Speaking of banging your knee. Really? This week we have an agenda. So. All right And it's about three different things. We're going to talk about the Spring 14. We have two, not one, but two blog posts about the Spring 14 release notes.

Justin Edelstein: I don't want this to be the deep dive podcast into Spring though. I want this to be the light. The light? The light. heat. podcast about spring. We should have a deeper dive into spring, not this week, but maybe after the last blog post. I think that's what we said last week. No, no, no, we said after the last blog post. Oh. Then we will do like a bigger, All

Jason Atwood: Right, so we'll then we'll quickly talk about the spring rapid reaction and what sales teams, why sales teams get excited for spring 14. And then we have, it is the 30th anniversary of the Mac, so lots of people are sharing their stories of their Mac, so we will share ours. I will share one. And then a topic that we started to discuss before we got on, I think has a lot to do with cloudiness in the real sense of the word, which is sort of really what's going on with the NSA and logging of activity and what Obama said last week or what the government's planning or... Planning to or not to do about it while the Snowden stuff R. I'm also starting to kind of come around. I have a thought or two about it, so I wanted to share.

Jason Atwood: You're apparently just going to listen. I'm going to listen.

Justin Edelstein: All I know is Gmail is down. Well, we can talk about that first. G-mail, G-google apps are down. They are all down. Not good. Even though they are not down for me at the moment. Like everything is up.. Yeah, so they are intermittent down.

Jason Atwood: So that's why we're recording podcasts because we don't actually be looking at a doc. I guess if it were really there and it's online and we changed it and collaborated in it. So first up was your blog post from two weeks ago. Correct. Bring 14 rapid, rapid reaction.

Justin Edelstein: I have to look back at how many of these I've written now. I have written a rapid reaction to so many on all the ones note all that one will not like Not back to like 2004. I mean, I started I think I started in like 10 Like something 10 right and last week bring 10 we talked about we could just click on rapid reaction.

03:21 Jason Atwood: I go see every listener Last week we talked about mass assignment permission sets Which is one of the things because we make the permission er which right for mass assigning and revoking of permission sets, right? Which is again different a little bit different than this

Justin Edelstein: And then next week we'll have a Service Cloud one. And a Service Cloud one, nice. And you said we're not doing a permission one. No, there's not enough. There's just this mass assign permission set and like one other little thing about permission sets. So I think one of my big, big, in Spring is the ability to now use topics to organize records. So we're finally getting... Tagging integrated of the system. Guess who's back again.

Jason Atwood: Not tags. Like tags will I hope just disappear. That was in the notes. It's one of those things that I think is going to be decommissioned. Just gotta go away.

Justin Edelstein: It was in the notes because I missed that part. I thought it was. It was in the screenshot. It still had tags there.

Jason Atwood: I thought it was one of the like these things will be deprecated and one of those tags chatter

Justin Edelstein: Chatter topics are becoming more and more prevalent and now you can use them to actually organize records Which I think is great. You can just add a topic to any record and then they've gone to the level where we're not quite there yet, we're almost there, where you can now use them in a list view. So you can say, in a list view for,

Jason Atwood: Say, opportunities or something. The number one that always comes up is, how do you track people's interests and sports teams and things, whatever.

Justin Edelstein: I was gonna use a big deal for opportunities or whatever. There's a million ways to track that. You're right. Let's track skiers instead so call first year Yankee fans, right? So so I want a list of all my contacts for Yankee fans I can now just use a topic called Yankees or Yankee fans or something like that Keep your topics in order by the way. Don't go crazy willy-nilly as people will so then in your list view you can you can obviously just click on the tag and it'll bring back the search result or You can say, topics contain Yankee fan. And then you have a list of all your Yankee fans, and then you could do stuff with that list, which I think is pretty cool. Add to campaign. Then you can shoot a mass email, all sorts of fun stuff.

Justin Edelstein: Once they get into reports, I think we'll be there.

06:22 Jason Atwood: Yeah, I mean it's an interesting conundrum because it's like what you want is semi-structured data. You want it structured enough so everybody isn't saying Yankees, Yankee San, Yankee Finatics, Yankee People, Yankee Doodle Dandy, because that's not helpful. because everybody's doing that then you get nothing. But you want to have something that you can structurally put on top of these people so you can look for them. And that's where topics kind of... It has that little bit of structure, which is that you see other people have done and there is sort of a naming convention that you could follow, but it's also totally unstructured and that you could do whatever you want. So it's that you want to be semi-structured. I, you know, it's kind of tags 2.0. I'm not, I don't know, I like the idea.

Jason Atwood: But I feel like I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit hurt by tags. I mean tags, I was around. We were around when tags came out. Back in the day.

Justin Edelstein: And we were really looking towards tags. So excited for tags. See, you came out, you could click on them and they had private tags and public tags and you could drive on there. They only had private tags first, and then they had the public ones. And public tags. Remember how hot tags were? Tag team? Forget inside of Salesforce. Just tags in general. Oh yeah. Tags are so hot. The topics are so hot. They're so hot. I went on Twitter and just topic everything. Hashtag. Hashtag. Hashtag. Hashtag. But I like this right on the record. Don't have to chatter. Don't have to worry about that.

Jason Atwood: Tag something I'm gonna keep calling it tagging this is one of those things that I think that the The devil's in the in the doing so we'll see

Justin Edelstein: How fun it is once we start using them because I'm gonna start using Them here at Arkus.

Jason Atwood: There you go. You should do that. I think if I'm gonna pick from what's funny because Up to I think about the 40th page or so they're still in the release notes because they never released this, is Salesforce One. So Salesforce One is in the release notes as here's, you know, and they really talk about it like it's brand new. Like here's what it does. It is a renaming of the chatter app. Like they talk about all the stuff that we kind of didn't know. Because it was launched mid release at Dreamforce. So, although I think that's a little bit of talk about Salesforce One a lot. But in the other sales team or so why sales teams should be excited about spring 14 again on blog that are causing calm. He brings up three one salesforce calm I'll name one others.

Jason Atwood: Which I think is I'm not going to do the I'm going to the orders one I don't know much about it I haven't got this part of this release notes have finished the book. but orders. So, a new, you know, it's almost like what is relent is new again. Like we have, we used to have things called tags. Now we have topics. We used to have, we had all these things like contracts and assets. And we always thought, Salesforce people that, Salesforce wouldn't build out any more of this stuff because they realized it's so easy to do customize now. But here they go, a whole new object who a company and a customer to provide services or deliver products with a known quantity, price, and time.

10:05 Justin Edelstein: Okay, so that that's I mean it from it from a from a solving an issue It's not an opportunity, it's an order. And it behaves, I think it's going to behave until I really get my hands on it and play with it. And I haven't had a real good chance to play in a pre-release org yet. Me neither. But it feels like it's gonna be more of a one-off quick hit opportunity, as opposed to an opportunity that's more like a B2B. This is more of a B2C opportunity. Right? Like, like a quick order of 200 widgets done. Like, there's no staging to it. There's no process around it. It's I need to buy this from you now. So I feel like that's where and you get to leverage the existing, you know, products, you don't want to have to rebuild all that stuff that you get with products and the roll ups that happen to amounts and product line items.

Jason Atwood: And then contracts, and how that fits in there. But it's kind of like contracts in that it works well enough if you don't want to do anything else with it. But if you want to do anything else with it, and I steer my clients away from contracts all the time, I say, hey, it's great if you want to use exactly what that is. But do you steer your clients away from opportunities?

Justin Edelstein: No. So that's what this is going to be, I feel. I feel like this is going to be like opportunities, just in a quick hit.

Jason Atwood: But isn't this kind of like quotes? Like something that kind of is filling a need, but it's sort of the small thing.

Justin Edelstein: No, they've baked this pretty deep. It's deep in there.

Jason Atwood: All right. Well, interesting one. That one's, it's another one that I can't wait to get into as we get into. So we'll, again, we'll come back with a... bigger, deeper dive, especially when it's warmer out here. Because it's not warm right now. When it feels like spring,

Justin Edelstein: Then we'll deep dive. Now we got more coming. We got the service of cloud one coming. The blog calendar is full of spring 14. And then we're going to do a little chat about the permission and the mass design permission set. Oh glared like a good blog post. That's what we're going. Almost like I talked about it last week. And it was captured. There you go.

Jason Atwood: Next is kind of a historical thing. It's been coming up for a while, meaning I've been hearing about what if they're going to do anything, is Apple going to release anything, do anything special. They did release a video called the 30th anniversary of the the Mac, which is kind of cute. They kind of went back in time and it was about five to ten minutes. I watched it this morning. But it is the 30th anniversary of the Macintosh. Not of Apple. Obviously Apple is much older than that. But of the Macintosh, and for someone who just finished reading Steve Jobs' biography, which I think names Steve Jobs, it's all just ringing in my head now. like all the him creating it all the you know the pieces to it and the history behind and the stuff in the Macintosh and the division he actually took over the project that was Macintosh and he booted someone else and was doing it and made it his.

Jason Atwood: You know, after he had done other things, less successful projects. So, but a lot of people now are tweeting, they're sort of, you know, my first Mac, a topic, if you will, hashtag my first Mac. Gotcha. Or 30th anniversary. Okay. So let me ask you, young'n. Sure. I'm gonna throw you under the bus here. No. What was your first Mac experience? Well, I know it's funny.

13:25 Justin Edelstein: My first, no. My first Mac experience. I still have it. So it's a Mac class. It's still in my parents basement. Doesn't work but I have the monitor slash computer and the keyboard and the mouse. So I have all the pieces. The Mac classic was a throwback to the original Mac.

Jason Atwood: Yeah. So it was, they did a couple lines of.

Justin Edelstein: Macs before they went back and did the Mac classic. So mine was the Mac classic, which we still have. I might have had one before that. It's not the first computer that I can remember having as a child in our household, but it's the first computer that I used. So the first computer we had, I'm not sure what it was, but I never used it. I just knew it was a computer. And the Mac was the first computer I actually used. I think I was the only kid in like second grade to hand in homework that was typed on my Mac. Like I would type my homework instead of writing it. And that was, I'm a little younger than you are. That was a little... bold for like a second grader to be handing in dot matrix printed paper with their homework on it.

Justin Edelstein: I also have fond memories of playing the Oregon on the Mac, which was a classic game. I loved going hunting for my food and getting to the end of the trail. But yeah, I grew up on Macs and then. So that was released in 1990 was the man team. Yeah. Yeah, so I was nine at that point So I'm I know we had ones before that that's just the one that I can That I know that we still have the other ones are gone and You know, I I had a Mac kind of growing up. It's the computer I learned how to use a computer with on a Mac and then when Windows 95 came around, we went to Windows. We were a Windows family. Oh, I'm sorry. And well, I don't think so. I think that at that point that was a better experience than the Mac was.

Justin Edelstein: I'm pretty sure. Yeah, probably. Yes, like, you know, getting on the internet and stuff. Feel like that was probably better on on a windows. Well you feel like because you didn't know cuz you were stuck in windows Well, sorry, you can tell your whole story of Mac, but we don't have to start way before that Okay, go ahead. You can't start that far behind before that before how far back they could it really start before 1990,,,,,,,,,,, So anyway, that was the computer I learned. You know You know, now I would never Mm. 10-3 or 10-4. Yeah, it was probably about eight or nine years ago I went back to the Mac and have not turned back. I was the first in my family to turn back now. Everybody in my family has a Mac.

17:04 Justin Edelstein: Everyone in my family has an iPhone. And there's like three or four iPads floating around like like overshadowed by the way, I feel like every college student now goes to college with a Mac. I don't really feel like they, I mean maybe a Chromebook would be a good thing to go to college with. You don't need anything. Although, can you like- Like a and big part of when I went to college was like, oh, it was the first time I had a high-speed internet. I know we've taken this into a very weird place, but it was like networked computers and gaming. I was in college, I was a freshman when Napster came out. So it was like a lot of stuff that was happening on the internet.

Jason Atwood: And I don't play games that run against your process or video chip. just and I think You had two, you they were all monitored.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, it's all monitored. The whole thing is a monitor is like the iMac now same kind design principle. Really 30 years later it's kind of crazy.

20:05 Jason Atwood: But it was a big. It wasn't that big. It I only strayed once, so I'm sorry. I went to the Power Mac. No, Power Computing. So when they. Went to the Clone Wars and they brought in the clones. I think it was Motorola, something else in power. I did get getting Power Tower Pro 250. Just off my head. And so I did rock. Based on the same design, but it has a little bit more. It was a little bit cheaper and a little more power because they would just. Punching a lot of stuff to it and you know graphic cards and stuff like that But then they killed the clones and I've come back and now I mean we're both We're both laptop users. I'm pro MacBook Pro retinas. That's it. Right now display. I would pretty much I almost say my 15 inches Like this is the most powerful one I've ever owned because these things are unbelievably powerful for what they are.

Jason Atwood: I love the flexibility now. I work at home and at work, but I always use a screen. So it's like, I don't, when I'm traveling or sitting here doing this podcast, I don't use the computer like this. I use it. Yeah, you don't use it this way. I use it like this. But you always. Use a keyboard.

Justin Edelstein: I don't, at home I don't. Oh, at home you don't. Here I do. All right. It's weird, I use the computer and the and the extra monitor and an extra monitor here. I use the a computer and extra monitor and a keyboard and a mouse.

Jason Atwood: So that's our Mac history. We are pretty much big Apple fans. It's amazing thinking back like how close Mac and Apple came to disappearing. Oh yeah. And then. and how strong of a company it is now. I mean, this company is, they're talking about it, they're years away from, a couple years away from taking over full percentages from being the number one computer out there, where they used to be like 2%. It's now like, and because of their, You know, they're now saying the iPad effect the iPhone the iPod I think really just It was a savior of Apple saved it but

Justin Edelstein: Then it really the iPod with iTunes got conversion right to oh wow this stuff works together nicely right wow if i got a look yeah going to the store take a look right oh check this simultaneity how this works oh look how much better it runs on this thing and then and then you plug it in and it just pops everything open and it works and whatever Like I know people who've struggled with having an iPhone and a PC and it's like, oh, that crappy iTunes. And I'm like, I don't I don't even know from iTunes. It's like that they made program. I don't even know from I never even open it. It's a it's a bet they made 30,

Jason Atwood: You know, 30, 40 years ago, which was that to create an all you to create an all in one operating system, hardware all connected. tightly integrated versus the Windows which was, which won for which was licenses out, everybody creates a different version. We're kind of right back into the same wars 20 years later with sort of the Android versus, where I have a- A, operating system that can go,

23:35 Justin Edelstein: Go on a It's all locked in it's kind of funny because it's usually the argument for and it's usually the argument against. aIt's like someone really likes it because it's this self-contained thing that everything in theory and for the most part just works on, right? And it's the hardware, the software, everything from top to bottom, the whole stack.

Jason Atwood: And you either like that or you say,

Justin Edelstein: You.

Jason Atwood: Went to now. Get on my computer. You know what I can't do? Get on my computer because it's sitting there in parts. So there's a part of it that's like, yeah, it's fun. It's like Legos, like I've gotten back into Legos a little bit. Legos is fun. You're a Lego fanatic. Just no, not even close. You're crazy with Legos. But like putting together some live in a eight year old child. So, but putting together Legos is fun. If I'm gonna have to pick up my iPhone or iPad and whatever to have it work. I don't want to have to be like, oh crap, I gotta put together these three parts in order for my Legos to work. And you know, you just start to realize where you want to go stuff. Anyway, speaking of which, on last...

Jason Atwood: Speaking of Legos. Yeah, I'm, no. I was gonna go speaking of all in one thing. So, this is sort of a just... It's just a talk about something because we've actually brought it up once before. It was the NSA spying and the logging of all the activity, the calls, the call phone numbers. Not the actual content but that these calls happened and it's come out and snowed in. You know, I think I want to avoid all that because a lot of political stuff into it. I think it tweaks a lot of people's noses, privacy and all that. But I think there's one thing that as a company who believes in the cloud and who lives in the cloud and who puts all the data. What company is that? That's our guess. And they were saying that, you know, they were saying one of the things that makes sure that the, that it's not the government that controls this data, that it's not the government that controls this data, it's that the, you know, they're going to have a third party control it.

27:03 Jason Atwood: Oh, well that's kind of an interesting thing. But then this, but then it really started to strike me as like, well, who else would you trust? Like, Thank you, Mike. You're supposed to trust your government pretty much. as aBoding individual than AT&T is. Like AT&T, I don't feel like the regulations around them. And so part of it becomes like, I know there's this whole movement around privacy and what should or should not be kept and all that. But part of me wants to say, at this point, I'm more secure having a government agency,hough they did get hacked. But I mean, Facebook. luck. Target was one of the, I'm reading a book now you could put more, I feel like the controls we could put around a government agency, because they talked about this data, this 20, sorry, all the phone call data, there's 22, people who have access to it, two of which are supervisors, and part of security is limiting access.

Jason Atwood: So knowing that there's only 22 The world of access to this data, it's like, actually t actually makes me feel much better. like 22 people and the government agencies and they're highly vetted. And they probably probably live, they probably can't fart without some agency bell going off going employee number 32 fart in like, okay, make sure he's he's he's okay. I don't know. So it's just it's just it's become this big thing, but really has to do with this data that we're collecting in the cloud and or that that government agencies are collecting and creating these big massive databases. the day that they are going to collect the day that they are going to collect the day that they are going to collect the day that they are going to collect the day that they are going to collect the day that they are going to collect the day that they are going to collect the day that they are going to collect the day that they are going to collect the day that they are going to collect the day that they are going to collect the day that they are going to collect the day that they are going to collect the day that they are going to collect the day that they are going to collect the day that they are going to collect the day that they are going to collect the day that they are the day that I don't know.

Jason Atwood: So that was my kind of take on it. I know you're looking at me like, eh, whatever. Well, here's the thing. Do you believe in your data being? No concern.

Justin Edelstein: I don't even know about it. Well,

Jason Atwood: So if in that all your phone calls, the phone number is to and from that you dialed that are being locked and they're being stored in some big database, do you care?

Justin Edelstein: I just kind of assume that they are. That's the thing, me too.

30:05 Jason Atwood: We're a generation apart, or mostly a generation apart, and I don't have that feeling. I have the feeling of like, it's sort of the thing that I give up by using the technology. I give up a piece of, if I want to have absolute privacy, then you and I drive into the woods and we have a conversation behind a tree. I know, it's funny. And then no one else will know that we have that conversation. We're not living in like.

Justin Edelstein: You know, Cold War times where it's like, you know, I watch the show, the Americans. I do not. I've heard it's OK. Well, you told me it's OK. And one season in it was pretty good. It was entertaining, but it takes place during, you know, the 80s. And like this Cold War. I want to give anything away for those who haven't seen it. And for you, too. But like very like CIA versus. like russian agents i don't know you don't remember the name of that agency i don't remember the name they didn't actually i don't think they named it in the show they were just like the agency or whatever the club or the whatever right so maybe they did and i don't remember but it was like very like everything was so hush hush and everything was so like Someone watching are they watching who's watching it was like an information things like that whatever I just figure like yeah If I'm doing something Where there's community a communication?

Justin Edelstein: Digital communication that goes beyond like you and me standing in a room That's locked with four walls no windows and no ventilation shafts like you know people can And that's a little extreme, but you know, people can listen and whatever. I don't really care. Like I have nothing to hide. So I don't care if someone's listening to my phone calls. I'm not like doing drug deals and not, planning on bombing something. Like on my phone, if I was doing that, I'd be doing it in a much different way.

Jason Atwood: And I think this is the thing. this is a shift. the next generation or my kid who, you know, from day zero, her entire life has been documented digitally, literally, thousands of pictures all shared, Facebook, Twitter. Like her life in such a different way. And even the teenagers, those teenagers, now. And I, you know, place the other day watching a younger set of younger group of people sit around and their whole thing is about sharing and sharing information and the

Justin Edelstein: Security, the concern of privacy is so minor. Yeah, it's crazy. My cousin, who's my age, she had her first child a couple of months ago, like two months ago. and like from day one she was like you know Instagram and Facebooked with hashtag her name as a hashtag right like To bring it full circle. Right? To topics. Like her whole like think about that like from- from the time you're zero like one day old Right. You've been all over Instagram with your name I just splattered all over it.

33:14 Jason Atwood: I know, and to me that's even like, to me, we try to always be very careful. They're not careful at all. They're like, here's her name,

Justin Edelstein: Beautiful baby, blah, blah, blah, all hashtags. It's a little obnoxious, I know they don't listen, but it's a bit obnoxious,

Jason Atwood: Knock it off. I might send it to them. Fine. Alright, beautiful baby. It comes down to the Foursquare stuff.h is like when you check in on vacation in Aruba, do you always feel like, wow, if I wanted to not be known that I was in Aruba,

Justin Edelstein: Or if I thought that... Well, like the bling ring we talked about in the movie. You should see that one. I have not seen it, it's on something... It's probably on... iTunes at this point on iTunes. It's definitely hasn't made it to like Can't imagine it got there yet. I thought that's why I saw it. You should watch it. It's good. It's very entertaining I think you'll like this part this

Jason Atwood: Aspect of it like the privacy kind of part of it speaking of privacy Let's do it. I'd like to break down your privacy by having you tell me. Your CloudFocus app pick of the week. By the way, I just as a. as a moment here, because this is funny. In our dock, there's a little section, we keep the CloudFocus half pick of the week, and we put in our thing, and we're supposed to fill out more information than we do. I never fill it out because I put up the post so it doesn't remember. There's this link that says, remember to update the spreadsheet.

Justin Edelstein: The sheet, which we haven't updated. Ever. I don't think we've updated it. Well, we updated it at the 100th episode. Right, so that was 62 episodes ago. So I'm actually filling in some of this information now just so that it's there for you. Well that's for me. so I'm picking an app that I just learned about but I don't know it could be a little older than I think it is but I just started playing around with it with a couple friends. Tetris? No. It's called Quiz Up. One word. so this is the next draw something. This is definitely the next draw something. Okay, so Daddy's still your thunder by saying the next draw something you did. I'm sorry I gave you that before we started I didn't say you all said oh I would recommend logging in using your Facebook credentials.

Justin Edelstein: � � � I'm gonna do a video on that. Let's do a quiz on arrested And you can It's even, more fun if you're in the same room. who is with a bunch of my friends. and we had some fun. We had some fun. can you play with more than one person? we playing each other. We're sitting we go like a board game... Science, Sports, TV, I mean tons of them. So it'd be a lot of fun. to play you in a football challenge about the New York Jets if they One person had an android and

39:34 Jason Atwood: Because it's a strange one, if you are a So the other day, there It maps.nyc.gov slash snow.

Justin Edelstein: It's an. App or is it just a website? No, it's a website. Sorry. Is it mobilized at least? Can I see it on my phone? No, I used it on my iPad originally

Jason Atwood: Because I was, it was in the morning. And they said something like, if some news article, it's like, oh, and everything's tracked, you know, every pile is now tracked by GPS. So you can go to whatever and look at it. I was like, oh, that's so cool.

Justin Edelstein: I never would have even thought of like. Wow technology people were complaining about the way that that was handled like the whole situation with the snow What's the choice here in New York? Well like clearing the roads and such?

Jason Atwood: Well, that's why you can now feel like I feel like it was well done. I don't know I think if you look at the map, that's sort of the issue you look at the map. I mean there are I don't know what the name number of streets, but there are so many streets. Oh yeah, I mean there's a million streets. And people parking and stuff like that, you know, I know that certain areas get like, well, they're not getting to my area or whatever, but I thought this was a nice way of at least saying, hey, you know whether they should be plowing it or not. So. So plow NYC, that's probably the best way to Google that, but I thought that was really fun. So that's my pick of the week. All right. Well, that wraps up our CloudFocus.

Jason Atwood: Weekly, I was about to say, I'll put the link. You can follow Justin at justettlesteen. I'm at Jason M. Atwood. We're also at Arkus Inc. We're on Facebook, Dreamforce portal, the success, community group, that group, I think it's almost up to 100. So if you're wanting to know. Again, if this is just another way to follow, if you want to get the podcast, we put it up there. So we're also on the LinkedIn, we're on the Google Plus. It would be nice, we haven't gotten a review on iTunes recently. So if you're a listener and you missed us like you say you do on Twitter, go leave a review on iTunes. Until next week, Justin and Jason saying enjoy those cloudy days. We'll be back next week.

43:04 Justin Edelstein: You