Back to the Future - Episode #164 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 164th episode of CloudFocus Weekly, for the 3rd January 2014. This episode is titled, Back to the Future. CloudFocus Weekly is brought to you by the Permissioner, by Arkus. Maths to Sign and Revoke Salesforce Permission Sets, it truly is permission sets made easy. Available for free on the AppExchange or go to thepermissioner.com. I'm your host, Joyce Jason Atwood. And joining me is co-host, Justin Edelstein. And co-worry about... Spring 14, mass assignment of permission sets.

Justin Edelstein: I wasn't worried at all. I know. People around the water cooler have been talking about like, oh, how's this impact the permission here? How's this impact the permission here? And I'm like, it doesn't. Well, explain that then. I mean, it will maybe a little bit because people who want to, like, just very, like, straightforward Well, let's start at the top in the spring 14 release notes. Happy New Year. We just jump right in. We just jump right. Number 164 for the third week. We haven't done this since like relenting the third week of December. We took a little hiatus. Yeah, a little breaky-dee-poo. we needed it. So anyway... that if you were lucky enough to see me speak at Dreamforce this past year with Adam Torman, you saw the Safe Harbor version of the Mass Assign permission set and Mass Rev, Revoke permission set Right now all it does, I'm not gonna say all it does, because it does some cool stuff, but it takes and leverages existing list of views, and allows you to assign or revoke permission sets from those lists in mass up

Jason Atwood: To 1000 at a time, kind of like assigning like to a campaign, Kinda like that, sure.

Justin Edelstein: So, so you can... select who you want. And then assign them to a permission set. I don't think it allows you now. Now's where I should have read this in a lot more detail in the release notes. Well, we will next week. But I don't think it allows you to do a lot of some of the things that the permission or allows you to do, which is obviously more freeform searching. for queues, for roles, for public groups, nested groups inside of groups, down like five layers. so we have a little bit more of a sophisticated tool that also the permission allows you to do like a many to many type of situation where I wanna- Three permission sets. Three permission sets to these 40 users. Right. I don't think the tool that's being built inside of Salesforce can handle that use case.

03:29 Justin Edelstein: The moment.

Jason Atwood: And just so you know, I mean on the, I was about to say on a four letter word scale, which I didn't say the word, but on the whatever scale, this is something we knew was coming. Not only did we know when we built the permissioner and when he asked us to collaborate with us originally about the... He said, I'm going to do this someday. That was two and a half years ago. A long time ago. So, we all knew that this was going to come. And so, our philosophy, just if you're wondering, is we're not building things that if Salesforce builds it the next day, we're going to cry. Like, we don't, other than we really love the logo. We do.

Justin Edelstein: We love the app too. People around the water cooler have been talking. And I was like, you know, calm down.

Jason Atwood: Calm down. Right. right. And we have the ability to add on and iterate faster than they can anyway. He gets, so a product manager or Salesforce gets a certain amount of, you know, workers or time to build certain things and he's only going to build the things that they absolutely need. And if he thinks that there's something that can handle it in the third-party market, he'll say, well, I don't need, you know, this one I think came down to... I think it came down to there are some organizations that cannot that do not allow for app exchange products.

Justin Edelstein: It also came down to everyone just asking why can't I do this and instead of the answer being there's an app exchange product you had to just I remembered it was more like there are some organizations they he had to just like he the organization Salesforce needed to do something because of the feedback.

Jason Atwood: Because there are organizations out there, some of which we used to work for, that you validation, even for a free one. In fact, we got a case the other day about saying, can I get your terms and conditions? And I was like, no, there are no terms. The terms are use it. The conditions are if you want to.

Justin Edelstein: That's it. It's a big, it's a big. Did you put that in a document and send it over to? No, I did not. So anyway, speaking of terms and conditions. Why don't we talk about our agenda for the day? No, can I do one more rattle man?

Jason Atwood: First of all on the rattle wing already rat holding You've been, a great blog post that I'm going to tell you and you're gonna capture now on air because it's been captured for all Everybody else to listen to forever Great blog post would be winter 14 permission sets versus the permission er

Justin Edelstein: Or permission set, assignment versus permission or pros and cons All right, so let's go capturing that right now. Yeah, good job using OmniFocus pick of the week bad

06:31 Jason Atwood: Folks pick of Let's talk about the blog, blog post of the week we have a couple that have been working up So there's actually a bunch going back We did take I think a week off of the blog blog

Justin Edelstein: But we kept going more blogs than off that that that last week of December night the week that no one did anything on the planet But

Jason Atwood: I was able to publish cloud computing predictions for 2014 fourth year in a row of this blog post. Yep Good. Cool. It's like it's a nice little it's been it's been a while and I got to you reuse the graphic Which I just keep going and changing the year in the year. Yeah, okay So we talked about one lat before because I gave you a preview of Salesforce rebranding. But there are I think what, four or five? One, two, three, four, five. Five. So why don't you pick one more because it's at blog.argosync.com in the new 2014 archive. So I had to remember when I was doing it.

Justin Edelstein: Why don't you pick one? Excuse me one more and then we'll go from we'll talk about that I'm gonna pick one that you had a fairly high confidence level in that I think is a little ways away Which is. Is the streaming awards? One yeah, I said a high count seven. Well, it's not my highest, you know saying you're fascinated by streaming TV, which is why you're calling it the golden age shows. Yeah. Not this year buddy. Well, I watched the Golden Globes. They didn't dominate anything. Oh, damn it There were not there were nominations for sure like Kevin Casey was nominated actually the The actress his name is escaping me but the woman who plays his wife on House of R. Yes one? So she did win Not not domination one little domination piper was nominated from oranges and black but other than that that was it So that by the end of the year, so, I guess it's the word dominate.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I should have said start to. Start to show up. But it's a prediction. Because we knew they were going to show up. I gotta go crazy.

Jason Atwood: I gotta go crazy on the I'm not going to talk about the first one because actually someone got crazy about that one the other day. But I'm going to talk about which is my last one called which I was the most confident about and ate on the confidence scale, the Richter scale of confidence was wearable's weight. Which is there's been this big media trend and hoopla if you will. I've got all sorts of words today. You've been saving them up. Yep. I was thinking for the last couple weeks about wearables and how wearables are just going to become the thing and everything is going to become wearables and it's just going to go through the roof. And it's sort of last year with Google Glass and it's been a lot of these Fitbits and Nike Fuels and the one Shine, the one I wear.

09:55 Jason Atwood: I watch Prediction. My prediction is really that they're gonna wait, that this is really not going to be the year of the wearables, because I think while there might be some things that come out, you know, I think a lot of these things are actually kind of going backwards. You're seeing traditional makers kind of, like even Google Glass, I think they're now saying it's really not. doing as well as I thought it was. It could end up as a Google Wave.

Justin Edelstein: How expensive is Google Glass? It's still $2 a thousand dollars. Why would anyone buy those?

Jason Atwood: They're not even glasses. But they are not even glasses. When you build it to get a momentum going and see and I Let's see, did I say it? Yeah, it is across gender appeal. So I was sitting there with a friend. We're at a one-year-old birthday party Which is what I do on a weekend and I have a kid. I have a kid. It's okay. Yeah, I had a kid I just go to one-year, year-old's parties You're that guy in the park that never was looking at me. And we were talking about it and my and my and the joke was I have a Pebble so the Pebble is that one of the things that's talked about as a big spreading of the wearable sight. The watch, right? The watch, yeah It created Kickstarter because it was like the biggest Kickstarter ever, raised over a million dollars, whatever.

Jason Atwood: I had one and bought one or got one and when it came, I played with it for like a couple days and went, eh, and I put it away. And then it's been really hot and the last couple weeks everyone was talking about making all those lists. It was on the Christmas list, holiday gift giving list, and I was like, oh.

Justin Edelstein: The next, is it the Nexus? The Nexus one, yeah. With the watch? With the phone, yeah. To answer the phone, which I don't understand even how that works. And Apple has been talking about, I mean, there's the iWatch, anyway,

Jason Atwood: So my daughter saw me wearing it and thought it's the coolest thing in the world. She just thinks that technology's cool. She is of my blood. And so she started wearing it, and so I was talking to this person, and they said, and they said something very smart. They said, you know, wearables are good, but until women... See them as wanting of them. They're not gonna hit the mass of market and I was like, oh that's kind of interesting Cuz they're like fashion accessories. They're fashionable like Google Glass and pebble and It's just awkward. I'm just saying wearables in general. As opposed to I remember when the iPad First iPod first came out the first iPad and my wife saw she was up. She was away and I couldn't watch the the thing and she was following it online and she sent me the article as it came out and she said, the minute that.

Jason Atwood: I think about she said, and I want one. So I ended up having to buy two of them. But I just she wanted it instantly like this white thing and she wanted this iPad. So I think wearables are those white headphones in info until they hit the until they hit that where they become fashionable. I think they're not gonna pass. So I'm a geeky guy with geeky toys.

13:13 Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I don't to,,,,,,, I thought it was better than last year's year's Customer Company Tour event in New York You know, I It was last year's was bigger. No, I know I I think they had a choir singing it was kind of neat. MB Mark Benny Off was in the house. Which he wasn't supposed to be. And he wasn't there the year before. Went to a breakout session. That's what the expo floor was. Really small. Not much going on in there actually. And I don't know. I thought the foundation had a very nice... presence at the event which was nice to see. Apparently, I talked to foundation They said they were absolutely inundated.

16:31 Jason Atwood: It was better than Dream for us, but they're like, we were so front and center I thought that's very good. It does make me think for all People are thinking about

Justin Edelstein: A lot of And,

Jason Atwood: And, and, and, and, and Sitting. It was a good event. You were going to find those waves.

Justin Edelstein: It was good. It got the point across the same and stuff- They picked a local charity which was nice. To highlight- No.

Jason Atwood: The Veteran's one. Yeah, the Veteran's one. I think that's local.

Justin Edelstein: They're out of Brooklyn. I thought you... Well, they also highlighted City Harvest... Okay. In the pre-keynote.

Jason Atwood: Oh cool. And had a food drive. Sorry. Spring 14 which we got to talk about next week, but one little thing that came up and I think it's interesting just because it is it's the first the backlash on I Guess major backlash on Google which is Google bought nest So for those who don't know nest is the makers of actually two devices one I really wanted over the holidays, I put it on my holiday list. I didn't. to save energy so it knows things about when you are there or not. And it's been a huge success, huge deal. Well clearly they bought it for a ton of money. And then the next one was they built one that's a... a smoke detector. That's again another smart smoke detector.

19:58 Justin Edelstein: That can send you I don't know what the link is what's the link the I know when you bought me.

Jason Atwood: Oh that what that thing glared the wink on its what the app is called wing oh yeah I don think it's called a week well because it's but it's really it sits in side of a real. smoke detector thing. It does carbon monoxide, it does, it's really smoke detector. It's not supposed to be anything else. But it's smart, so it can learn, and you can tell it to shush., and it can alert you away from. Your house, there's smoke or carbon dioxide. Anyway, so they was bought by Google. And a lot of people, there's stories of people returning them, there's stories of people sending them back. There's stories, you know, and honestly, I'm usually one of those people who's like, really? What does it matter? It's just Google it's whatever it's this company. They bought it for the people Google's been buying a lot of robotic firms lately, which is a little weird.

Jason Atwood: So here comes the Irobot. But they bought, apparently these guys, they had something like 100 Apple employees at Nest. It was the, guy who Hm, did the first iPhone. Okay. I don't know who that name is. Don't know the name. They, bought probably $3 million.

Justin Edelstein: Was it? Yeah. It was $3 billion. Oh Billie-an, sorry. Billie-an.

Jason Atwood: B is a little bit more. A lot more. Definitely bought it for people.

Justin Edelstein: Imagine yourself being worth $3 billion. Like you're buying my company but you're buying me $3 billion.

Jason Atwood: But it's a, you know, I saw some people on Google Plus saying this is great and can't wait for it to be the connected home and then other people saying I will never buy it. And again, I'm one of those people who usually is more on the reasonable side. I wanted this product and now it kind of makes me feel a little bit like... Yeah, I They've done some evil things. They've proven that they, you know, have switched their, they've changed their terms of conditions on things, sharing data between things. Like all of a sudden they could share the data between your Nest and Google+. Right. And you might be like, well, I don't want that to happen. So anyway, I thought it was interesting because it did make me kind of hesitate on something that I was really looking forward to buying.

23:06 Jason Atwood: I they've Tried to build products many times of the sphere as we remember right when yeah or whatever that was TV killer Apple TV killer three times as much money and never sold any of them. No, we'll never even launched one No, one of the things that haven't sold give me a pick of the week. Oh, you want my pick? Yeah, why don't you put it here in the document so we can all see it? No, I'm pulling the Jason I don't know. Mine's in there You usually don't put it in there.

Justin Edelstein: No, I'm gonna pick something a little personal Okay, well, I'm gonna you know a little personal to current events in my life Oh, well, everybody knows this cuz I didn't I did throw you out you did so people come up to me and said Oh, I didn't know he was engaged. I'm engaged to get married To a human right to human being okay. Yes. She's She okay Okay, we learning a lot. She's a human. so we registered A week or two ago. Okay. if anyone wants to get me anything, you can look this up. Look up my Bloomingdale's. Hopefully you have something better to do. And get. Search for me. But Bloomingdale's has an app called Big Brown Bag. Hey, yes, they're trademarked big brown bag and you can use it to manage your registry Okay, so you can walk around the store with your iPhone and just start scanning As opposed to when I had to use that big gun?

Justin Edelstein: Well, we use the big guns we were there But then she's like you can just use your phone if you go into some other store or whatever or wherever Or you can just go on there and manage it from there and right do the thank you card manager and all that other stuff from inside the app. It's just to see like things that were so like, But I bet you had to register, right? Like, I guess you had online stuff where people could go buy the stuff online. No, there's no internet back then. You know, 15, 20 years ago, like registering and like you have to tell people where you're registered and have to go to the store and they have to buy the thing. And now it's like all on the phone. It's like this is amazing.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I mean, the phone is a nice aspect of it. I can manage the whole thing on the phone. Like that's the part I that I like about it. But they I had the internet. We had the internet. Yeah, but now it's like here's this app I walk around the store and I scan stuff.

Jason Atwood: I was even impressed when I was getting, I mean when I had that gun and walked around and scanned things it was rather impressive. And then you could go online and you could go edit your registry and what you wanted or not. You could actually see what people had gotten you or not. Yep. I like that. That was pretty cool. That was been years ago. So basically it hasn't changed at all. It's just on your phone.

Justin Edelstein: Well, yeah, and that you can use it to do the whole scanning on the phone. I think that's what you need. Big brown bag by Macy's of Bloomingdale's.

Jason Atwood: I think I registered at Macy's.

Justin Edelstein: Maybe I did Bloomingdale's. I did Bloomingdale's just because it was convenient.

26:10 Jason Atwood: Because it's there. And who's convenient? since I have not registered for a while, but as a person who goes and buys gifts for people, I like the ones that are just like, click, click, done. Like wrap it, send it, do it, like ship it when it's supposed to be there. Don't talk to me again. You know, that's the best. Like they make, they make it easier for the buyer. That's great. And when you can package things, cause sometimes you want to buy people, you know, like. Everybody's bought all the big stuff. like, a napkin or something. And so you package it up and they'll send it. And funny enough, I was just doing a little anti-paper end of the year shredding. And I was going through and shredding all of my gift receipts from my wedding.

Jason Atwood: Knew 10 years stacks of receipts from, you know, Tiffany's and... Did you register Tiffany's? One voice. You should register Tiffany's, I'm only registered to Bloomingdale. Definitely registered Tiffany's.

Justin Edelstein: Thanks for the life advice and done.

Jason Atwood: Alright, mine is actually something that I. I have so many picks now because the holidays happened and I did manage to pick up a few toys. Some I bought for myself, some others bought for me. but, I got one from a friend of mine, that I have been wanting for a while and actually someone got me one. What'd they get you? you can't be staring at the doc cause you're.

Justin Edelstein: So look at that. It was me. It was you. That's an app. Yeah. It's not really an app. It's not an app. I haven't picked the app.

Jason Atwood: I've picked like not apps. You picked like spring 12 spring. No, maybe 11. So I actually been wanting for a while because the wife and I drink a lot of water and a lot of bottled water and a lot of soda, you know, like a shelter. And so someone got me a soda stream for for the holidays. And you know what? I've really been enjoying it. My, it is fun. When you got one, two, because I remember you, you showed it to me. Your dad gave it to you or something. And housewarming house. Forming. And you showed me the way it worked. And I was like, Oh, and it had two major flaws, which I thought at the time, or three, one of which has them solved, but three major flaws. One was it looked like the process of filling them up was a pain.

Jason Atwood: Like you had to screw it in, you had to clamp it down, you had to hit this thing. And then, you know, it just looked like, Oh, that seems it's like a pain. Two was that all the bottles that you got weren't dishwasher safe. you They now have dishwasher safe. I'm gonna buy those. Where'd you find those? Amazon?

Justin Edelstein: Alright, I'm gonna buy a couple of those. They only last three years anyway? Well, three years. Four years, I mean. They are $10 off. Oh wow. Yeah, that's a lot.

29:35 Jason Atwood: It is. Okay. Always buy one at a time and just return the old one when you buy the new one. I actually, my favorite thing about it is that they are lower. They are lower, you can choose how much you want to put in. How much carbonation do you want? Because the one that I had. Three Toots? Right. Two Toots? Right, because that's the end result, this Toots. So you want to have less, you know, whatever, whatever. So anyway, SodaStream, but the one I got, that you got me is called the source. So there's many, many models. This one's the source. It does not need to be plugged in. Some of them need to be plugged in. It fits right underneath my cabinet. It's great. Thank you very much. You're welcome very much. So there's a little look into our existence.

Jason Atwood: All right. Well, we're back. We're back the beginning of the year and we're back for the rest of the year with all this nonsense and maybe some cloud computing news just in there. Just for the heck of it. Remember to follow us on Twitter at just Edelstein at Jason M Atwood and Arca Sync or on Facebook.com slash Ar We're in the Dreamforce Portal Group. We're in the Success Community Group. We have our own group in there so you can join in there. We're on the LinkedIn, on the Google Plus. And please remember to go to iTunes and leave us reviews on iTunes because it's the only place right now you can review podcasts. We're also at blog.argosync.com. So if you want to go see all of the podcasts, even going back to the first one, you want to listen to that in 2010.

Jason Atwood: 2010 was our first. It's coming up on our four year anniversary. We can't do something for our fifth year anniversary. Something big. Something bigger than an infographic. Like huge.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, something huge. By everyone at SodaStream. And you get a SodaStream. Yes.

Jason Atwood: Everybody who's still listening. Alright. Until then, we'll be back next week. Jake and Justin saying, enjoy those cloudy days.

Justin Edelstein: You