Rant & Rave - Episode #182 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:11 Jason Atwood: This is the 182nd episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the third week of July, Grant and Rave. CloudFocus Weekly is brought to you by Arkus, specializing in Salesforce implementations, consulting, and force.com development. Search for Arkus, A-R-K-U-S, on the AppExchange and read what our clients have to say about us. I am your host, Jason Atwood, and joining me, co-host, 182 times in a row, Like a hitter who never misses at the bat? Justin Edelstein.

Justin Edelstein: Justin, how are you? You probably should refrain from talking about sports. You don't know anything about it. Well, that'd be every sport except for football.

Jason Atwood: Right. But I was making, I should have said... I'm host Jason M and join me for the 180 second time like a Nick folk the kicker Nope,

Justin Edelstein: No, it's terrible. All right, so Start over. Yeah, this is part of making the sausage

Jason Atwood: Now you get to see how the sausage is made now should we start over? Do you know how many times we start over in a year? zero very little no we don't start over all of it just go let her go this is what people pay for this is what you pay for they don't pay for a thing exactly if you paid for it then we might edit pay for this we pay for you to listen to us talk to go over things anyway we have an agenda today we have the blog week de jour the blog week, the blog of the week, which we will talk about. And then we have some dream force news as well as our constant promotion over a hundred dollars off, because you're really going to want to go now with our dream force news.

Jason Atwood: We have some NFL slash streaming slash sports news. We love streaming. Oh, but. What's interesting is it goes back to one of my predictions. Yes, it does. From a year and two years before. and cloud computing predictions for 2013. the rant of our rave at the very end because I was just posting a few ideas, the idea exchange, a couple things things to say about some summer 14 love,

Justin Edelstein: Love. I always have something to say. Every spring, summer.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, well this one I think needs a little throwing out into the public. Listen,

Justin Edelstein: Love us in Salesforce. And sometimes they do some things that need us to do a little ranting. Speaking of loving some cells for us, so the blog of the

Jason Atwood: Week at blog.orgasink.com is written by moi on my kick, which you'll notice if you've been following my blog line. has been about in the banking space sort of what I'm rising in nowadays. So this one's about referral management. You know how to sort of options for tracking referrals, banking referrals not you know referrals mean a lot of things a lot of different places. Sometimes I mean in the recruiting people. This is really in the banking space...................... We left more Well good so Dewey yeah, we run a Community group and I will be speaking about this topic more the the steak. It's coming up in the sizzle Well, it's more the stake.

04:20 Justin Edelstein: The stake is coming up in August. In August.

Jason Atwood: So, a month from now. If you are interested in this topic from the blog post, I'm going to be doing a community user group.

Justin Edelstein: It is a community user group. It is the Community Banks user group. It is a success community. It is a private group if you'd like to join us. Go ahead into the success community and look for the group called community banks. You can go to the groups tab inside of chatter and search for community banks and you'll find the the official community banks user group and you can ask or request to join. We'll let you in, we promise. And from there you can hear Jason in August. Well that's August. In August. But we have, we actually have a lead management and tracking of sales thing coming up in, towards the end of July. I think it's July 29th. So there you go. So lots more stake to the sizzle. Yep. in there if you want to get to that if you want to dive into that subject If you're in banking and you want to see we got a lot more coming up speaking of banking.

Jason Atwood: Yeah dream force dream force It's the best So Bruno Mars, so yeah the concert the concert of the year or the dream force 14 This should be so much fun I am shocked because let's go over the the past Dream Forces. The- the past Dream Forces have all been bands I would say. Rock and roll bands. Well rock and roll.

Justin Edelstein: Rock and roll bands. That's no more than you'd say. That's true. What about like Stevie Wonder? Stevie Wonder I guess is the closest comparison to Bruno Mars here right?

Jason Atwood: But they've all been my- it wasn't really what- what genre they were is more their sort of area like their their hotness in the now market. They've all been established and maybe on, you know, no? No? Foo Fighters? Was it at the top of their thing? It was after. Pretty much at the peak of their powers.

Justin Edelstein: I don't think it was the peak of their powers., it was pretty much the peak of their powers. Anyway,

Jason Atwood: Bruno Mars is at the peak of all powers. He just did the Super Bowl. was like, go to the peak.. When you do the super bowl, it's, oh, sometimes they pick

Justin Edelstein: Right now, if you register now until August 5th, so you get a price is $1,099. What? Yeah. Oh, my goodness. So if at checkout EC14ARKUS you see how that goes EC14ARKUS. I want to say something here for success We don't have to ask for savings.

07:47 Jason Atwood: No, there's an S. Don't leave. Forget it. Forget it. Everybody's messed it up. So let's just break this cost down.

Justin Edelstein: We'll get you there for $1,000. We'll get you there for $1,000. You know, okay, seeing Hills talk?. $150? $175? Hillary Clinton? Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to call him a banquet. What are you talking?

Jason Atwood: Hill. Al, Al's maybe a buck 25. Bruno I'm taking per person. So that could add up to like six, 700 bucks with a good I value. You get some lunches. Mark the price. You get a Benioff, that's a hundred, First, I want to read you a little a little a little a little blurb. Okay, I'm gonna put on your blurb. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. You gotta look at me for this. Everybody look at me. That's me doing my time warp thing and I did the hand signals. So back in December of 2012. A little blogger wrote a blog post, I think he writes one every year, but called Cloud Computing Predictions for 2013. So I write this in December or January.

Jason Atwood: My number one, with my eight confidence point of eight out of ten, which is high, high confidence. That is high confidence. Pretty high. It was the highest confidence of that year. Sports goes streaming. More specifically, I'm reading, I'm quoting myself, the NFL, National Football League, I don't know why I had to write that out, that makes no sense. Why does it... Who has, maybe it's SCO, who has dabbled with putting the Direct TV Sunday ticket on Sony's PS3 in the past. This year they're going to break down the walls and go to Apple with an Apple TV. Tuh! Expect to see full streaming of live games from preseason through the playoffs. It will open up on the market for the rest of the sports by the end of 2013 and won't be a game match point.

Justin Edelstein: You won't be able. I mean, we don't want to get into how much of a nut about football. And. Is the big deal here that you can get this without being a direct TV customer? That's the big deal. You're just buying the NFL streaming. That's correct. I see.

10:52 Jason Atwood: Right, I get it. Right. I'm not going to buy it. Well, you don't need to buy it because you have me.

Justin Edelstein: Well, you're going to buy it. But I'm not going to buy this because I actually don't see the value in it for for me. No, because you have me. It has nothing to do with you. Well, pretty much. Well, if I'd lived in a place where I couldn't see my favorite team play every week, then I would be all in on this.

Jason Atwood: That's true. So we do happen to live in the place. Plus, I always get this. Plus,

Justin Edelstein: Whatever. Anyway, so last year I could see my favorite team. So the peers are going to live in the city where they play.

Jason Atwood: They did this on the Sony PS3, but it was only part of if you owned... It was like a very weird thing. last year they attached it to Madden 25. So if you bought Madden 25 through Amazon only, you got this package. So they kind of tangled it in, so you couldn't just buy this. And then, by the way, they ran out of that. Like Madden 25 out of Amazon ran out. It was 100 bucks. So this year, and this is big, people are going to have a fit up, they're going crazy. This year they've opened up the NFL Sunday ticket to NFL Sunday ticket. dot TV to allow for anybody if you don't if you don't have direct TV and can't have direct TV, meaning you live in an area where you live in a building where you can't have direct TV.

Jason Atwood: You don't have a satellite. You live on the west side of a mountain or whatever. What is the side you can't see there? That's where you would have right. Well, wherever the side you can't have them out, you can't see their whatever. So now, if you actually go to NFL, they've put this out. This has made some big deals and it is allows you to see it on tablets, computers, and gaming consoles. Right. So not one different options here. Yeah. Three. And then there's three different options of the plan. So now you can see it. I said three different options, meaning the plan. No, but I was saying the consoles like it, but it's not only PS, it's PS3, PS4 and Xbox One. Right. So that's gone. It's also iPhone, tablet, iPhone, iPad and computer.

Jason Atwood: How about Android? Android, yup. How about Windows? I don't, I think so, yes. It's a computer. They're just doing computer. Yeah, but mobile. It, Windows 8. It says it right there. It says view compatible devices. Windows Intel Pentium, Intel Pentium 2.0 gigahertz or above. Love. iPhone, iPod touch, tablet, Android, a whole list of Android, Kindle Fire. This is why this is pretty big. This is opening this up to a lot of people. They- and they have three different plans. There's like a $200 plan, a $239, and a $329. $329 is where it's at. Well, because they also give you, there's a new, now again, we're getting a little into football stuff, and if you know anything about us. I think we need to.. Change of years for but you get direct to be fantasy zone, which is a new channel.

Jason Atwood: That's just for fantasy I would do it just for that, but I'm not going to so anyway, first of all prediction, correct

Justin Edelstein: My word would kill me if I did this 329. I like how you switched it to wife already Yeah, the little lady went to the wife. Yeah, so okay. What the little wife little wife little lady wife, she's a little dub if I had like You know the the game on the big TV and then I had my tablet sitting in front of me with Fantasy zone. Yes, she would not be very I will be doing this.

14:00 Jason Atwood: That's what I'll be here I know that's why you don't need to get this because we go to the games together and then whatever but I think this is fabulous I'm extremely excited.

Justin Edelstein: Can we use this at the game? Yes, we're totally using this. I know. I know. Are you allowed to bring iPads into the stadium?

Jason Atwood: No, it doesn't matter. But you got to bring iPhones.

Justin Edelstein: Oh, you sure are. We just need to get like battery packs that we can bring in.

Jason Atwood: I have a big one. I need a small one. No, that's that's fine. I have a long cord. Anyway, this is fabulous. And this is sort of breaking down that last, because we talked about this the other week, I think. Didn't we talk about NHL? We were talking about the World Cup and how they created the job. So they listened to us. What you're saying is direct TV listened to us. Yeah, they were listening.

Justin Edelstein: They were listening to the Cloud Books Weekly. I, I'm excited. Oh, that's what we need to do. I'm excited about this.

Jason Atwood: So let's, let's move on. Next up is from our friends over at Silverline who wrote a nice blog post and we the mentioning because we're mentioned today. We're doing a shout out because we're mentioned in that blog post.

Justin Edelstein: July 7th, so about 10 days ago. By Wes. By Wes. I could but I'm not going to. Wes Weingartner. I would say that's Weingartner. Weingartner. Wrote a top five apps for Salesforce consultants. blog and lo and behold, number two, the permissioner. Should we name all five?

Jason Atwood: Sure. You just want to like point ours out. Oh, whatever. What's the permissioners permission? I do find interesting that they picked action plans because we could talk about the history of action plans. I don't think we can. Yeah, we can. Why not? a with that company. We've been long gone. Yeah. I'm not. Why not? Anyway, action plans was built many, I think safe harbor and action plans have a history together. They do.

Justin Edelstein: Meaning at one point, someone may have demoed something or said something about something that resembled an action plan and then someone bought something and said, where are the action plans? And they said, what? We're not doing that. That was a roadmap. That didn't make it to our scrum. Who's the move? And then action plan became a package. Let's get well, let's let's have. A consulting company built it for you.

Jason Atwood: Anyway, action plans is an interesting one. Doop catcher, everybody knows about it. Counter anything. There's, which is fine.

Justin Edelstein: I've actually used it a couple times. We missed number one, the declarative lookup summary tool. This is one I don't know. This isn't roll up summary helper, is it? No, it is not. This is the one made by Andrew Fawcett at Andy in the Cloud, which you can just install. I believe it's free. I think it's free. I'm sorry if it's not. Andy But it's a really cool Utility for doing roll-up summaries with just regular lookup fields nice. It's not the one that you're talking Oh, it's not the roll-up summary helper that the role not roll up helper. Whatever it is. This is Someone an MVP went ahead and built something same use case same use case.

Jason Atwood: Yes Yes, okay. Very cool. So that's at actually blog.silverlinecrm.com. And there you go. I think we tweeted it or they tweeted it. Next up is a little article which actually just came out today, I think,

17:19 Justin Edelstein: Which is called what is this on? Business Insider. Salesforce.com will live update its diversity metrics in charts. rights. on its website. Long title.

Jason Atwood: Yeah. So thank you. I mean, first of all, I didn't know that any of these other companies did this. Neither. So this is new.

Justin Edelstein: You know what? This this this blog post or article, whatever you want to call it, read kind of weird. You know, it was like, it was. It was like we're surprised, but now we're not surprised and Salesforce is is Never indicates it plans to improve these statistics which may be concerning But they're not promising anything, but they will continue to keep it transparent It's just a little but good job guys, but yeah, but that's terrible.

Jason Atwood: I don't know Anyway, apparently these other companies, including such companies, such companies as Google, Yahoo, Facebook, show their diversity stat. So when I'm talking diversity, I'm talking about hiring diversity, and they talk about gender and by ethnicity. Very interesting. I doubt these are real time. It'd be funny if like as people got hired as people left. I don't know if I, tick. I was, am I surprised that company overall is 71% male?

Justin Edelstein: No, it's a tech company. I'm not surprised.

Jason Atwood: Leadership though, 85% male in leadership. That's where it gets bad. Tech I understand, maybe non-tech, you could see it throws it off to 32% female, but then when you get a leadership at 15%. That's something to work on and then they have the gender the ethnicity You write down us only yes, which is a little bit that all too is kind of like well, whatever White Asian Indian Hispanic black two or more races two percent other non-disclose three percent I'm usually in that category here in the other non-disclose are you two or more? No, I'm in the other non Discourse, I don't like to disclose this kind of interesting it basically it matches all these other companies, but Hey, I think the idea is about being transparent about your hiring practices, you know, as Rest in Peace, Chet Holmes used to say and it's an ultimate sales machine, if you watch something it will grow.

Jason Atwood: If you pay attention to it, it will grow. The idea meaning if anything is a problem, if you look at it and pay attention, you can make it better. So by this is the, to me, this is the way of saying hey, we are going to watch this and by having it on our website, it's kind of like trust. It's like saying, hey, if we're going to put it on our website, we're going to make sure that this is something we're watching. Now, they might not see a problem in what they are, but it does show that the diversity is not really there. That's what it says. There's not a lot of diversity. So interesting, interesting piece. Next up is... My little small tiny rant. So, if you are someone who doesn't want to hear a minor rant, because I just posted to the Idea Exchange and I'd love for you to go vote on it.

20:24 Jason Atwood: A summer 14 rollback idea. So if you've already experienced summer 14, you know that one of the features, and I'm air quoting features is that there is a new banner. that displays inside Salesforce, promoting other Salesforce things currently, right?

Justin Edelstein: And it is... Oh, I dismissed minority too bad. Yeah,

Jason Atwood: Again, I have, because I dismissed it the morning of, I went in and unchecked it. But I've been in a lot of customer orgs recently, and it's just popping up. Please subscribe, like and comment! and I started to like see it one or too many times. I've gone in and I looked at their orgs and it was, you know, this is this thing called the Salesforce Notification Banner. It is very intrusive. It's very big. It's like it's wide. It's wider than even when I've been in the browser, it's wider than the browser window. And my issue is it is defaulting on. So they are taking the choice to put this Notification Banner on every single org.... and they're defaulting it to on. I'm logging into an org right now where I'm pretty sure it's gonna have it on.

Justin Edelstein: Great. Just so I can. Just so you can see it. Oh yeah. I wanna see what it says. Yeah.

Jason Atwood: So here's my issue. I tweeted this at them. I said I was very surprised that they would the default this to on. You know, Salesforce tweeted back and said, you know, thank you, we'll let the product team. But my point to this is, and this is my calling them out a little bit, is This is a full video. This is not a very customer company thing to do. First of all, it's not a smart banner. It tells you to do things that you've already done. It's not, it's just literally a big notification about stuff. It's not, it's promotionary. Promoting things. It's the kind of thing you would see in sort of like free apps, like you know, free game apps you buy and stuff like that. It's like, I'm going to promote things to you because you're using a free app.

Jason Atwood: This is a paid app. It's a business tool. That's one. So, I've never liked the Discover things. I have a real problem with a company that spends a lot of its time and energy talking about how they're revolutionizing the world with customer company and listening to the customer and being social and being mobile and being all the other things, but then And you ask your customers. They send out surveys about everything. They send out surveys about cases. They send out surveys about how to be able to be able to be able to be testing module, they sent out surveys about this. How about this survey?

24:12 Justin Edelstein: And it's not appreciated,- How about a feature to deleted complete garbage feature for a paid enterprise business? I happen to agree, a of the, a and. advertise your own stuff even though like I get the point of it right you're the point of it right you're trying to I don't want to promote more features say... Say hey hold out this go ahead and use it but there are different and better ways to go about doing this than to take up a large chunk of real estate at the front and center homepage and it drops the rest of everything completely down right now I I don't again, like you said, I don't think it's very contextual because right now I'm looking at one for downloading Salesforce one from the app Ktor from. from Google Play You know, and I've already I've already installed Sales were sworn from the app store Another thing but even then I don and, the

Jason Atwood: Netflix, the pay and you don't get ads and you can watch wherever, you want who you pay and show you ads. But this is not 799 a month. It's turned on. So You get your new org like, you know, or whatever, just like, you know, mail merge and request update and all these other useless things are turned on. Fine., turn it on in that. That makes sense.

27:17 Justin Edelstein: Give you some time to give you. Well, no, they, they announced it well in advance and they allowed you to open up a support ticket and opt out of the feature being turned on.

Jason Atwood: I don't, but even that, I don't think that you,

Justin Edelstein: Even that isn't that better than just turning something on. Yeah. So, yeah, I think they've done that before. Maybe it was too taxing for the support team to handle influx of tickets. Cause I have to imagine everyone would have said, don't turn this on.

Jason Atwood: But I think having to tell someone to not turn something on that didn't want it isn't a feature.

Justin Edelstein: You don't know you don't want it until someone tells you you're getting it. But nobody wants this. Like nobody I know wants it. You didn't have the option to say I don't want it. That's what I'm saying.

Jason Atwood: But like chat is a feature. This isn't a feature. This is annoying. Okay. This is advertising. Chat is saying, hey, here's a new feature you could have and you might want to use it. This is not a feature. Right? This is advertising. This is internal advertising. I'm hoping that they come to their better senses. Go vote on the idea and whatever. All right. So that's it for our... Because there are a lot of great things in summer. I want to say I've been loving some of the new Salesforce 1 stuff. We actually developed a little app we've been playing around with. I dialed into something on today. The other day I dialed into a real thing. I looked at the events. It's still weird to have events locked away from today, but whatever. I think that might be coming soon.

Jason Atwood: But lots of new features that I really enjoy and stuff that I'm excited about. It's just this type of stuff just makes it seem like they're not really drinking their own champagne. Or at least their own stuff that will spray out at Talk About at Dreamforce. All right. Next time on CloudFocus Weekly. A very special class. You are going to write a blog post called chain sets for admins. a blog post about using change sets, what they are, how to use them best practices. That'll be interesting. And then we're going to get into a very special episode. We're going to do a very special episode, which I came up, we were going to stay, but I wanted to give you like a week to think about it. Thanks. but. So, I'll see you next time.

Jason Atwood: Productivity tools and tips. So we talk a lot about left and right, we've made. But I feel like this is a well we're gonna come up we'll collaborate on our lists of five and then we'll talk about it.

Justin Edelstein: So I have to call Dibs on a few that we're both going to want to talk about, but you have more than I do, so... But we can talk about them all.

Jason Atwood: That's what I'm saying. But I want to talk about not just here's a great app, but how you use it and specifically put into it that other people might be interested in. Right. So productivity stuff, productivity tools and tips, I think these are going to be great.

Justin Edelstein: We're going to do that next time. But now we're gonna do our quad focus app pick of the week What's yours? All right, so I have been really into this stuff recently The you really have mobile loyalty programs using my phone to collect I Guess loyalty points using it pay for stuff. I've been very into this and I remember way back when we worked for that company that we don't name you and I went to Microsoft's office here in the city because we were like on some mobile team back in like the middle oh yes and middle oh nine no it would have been like Oh, seven or eight. Oh eight. Oh, like yeah. I guess seven or six. Maybe it would have been earlier, like before we got into the Salesforce world. So anyway, the guy was talking to us about how the phone, the mobile phone, and we're carrying around like these blackberry bricks.

31:12 Justin Edelstein: And he's like, that is like. You know, that's nothing. We're we're going to be paying for stuff with our phone. We're going to be ordering things on our phone. We're going to be using our phone more than we use our computers. And we were kind of sitting there like snickering, like a little bickering. Like that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Come to find out that guy was so right prospective. What does this have to do with your while I'm talking about my. You know, I've recently picked the Chopped app, which is from level up and I use a similar kind of app for the Gregory's coffee shop down the street. Also by level up, I think it is. But I'm talking about belly. So belly is kindBelly is kind of a white label loyalty program and allows.

Justin Edelstein: Different businesses to leverage belly's platform to say our loyalty program is not like you know you don't just get our card and you swipe our card and that's that we're just on the belly platform so download belly you know and and you can immediately like scan in with your code and you're checking it at our store and our local supermarket where we live now uses B and you accumulate these points and when you get to a certain threshold, you can sort of cash them in for free things at the supermarket. So that's cool. I think Belly's taking it to the next level where you can actually put Belly in your passbook. That's really good. Belly's in my passbook and my little QR code is in my passbook for the food market. and you can see I have three check-ins.

Justin Edelstein: So anytime I go there, I can just scan my thing and it knows who I am and it. Now is it notification? Is it? I've turned off location services on it. But it does have location services. Meaning it would pop up when you narrow a belly. You can say show me places that are near me that take belly. Okay. You can also associate. 8. credit cards with it. So you can pay with it. I haven't done that. Cause I actually don't want to do that for that particular store. Cause I, well, cause I flip depending on what I'm purchasing. Yeah. So it's like, I don't know. I feel like that would be too complicated for me. Maybe I'll get to that Later stage where I'm just I'm told I'm I'm dipping my toe into these Platforms now, and I'm trying to figure out if I really like them or not I've recently been paying for a lot of stuff like lunch and coffee and whatnot tea.

34:13 Justin Edelstein: So anyway, belly Go ahead and download it and like turn the location services on for the, for the first time you open it, hit the button to find places around you. And you may be surprised at how many loyalty programs are out there that you're missing out on just free stuff for just shopping in a place you'd shop anyway.

Jason Atwood: It's going to become really interesting with, you know, the I beacons and shopping and interior and cards and note and all this stuff is, is getting really interesting. Put together I can't wait actually to see where it all comes out in five years just as a side note I actually sent you sort of you know since we did talk about the nfl a little bit because this is related I sent you you know I'm a season ticket holder of the near jets and they are they went this year and created a loyalty program for the jets And instead of having it like, oh, you buy stuff at a shop or whatever, your loyalty points are based on you doing things with the Jets, like going to games. So every time you go to games and they give you extra points, if you go into the game 15 minutes early and they give you extra points, if we have a penalty, that's like a off-size penalty against the opposing team.

Jason Atwood: So like they're really building, and I thought this was brilliant, They're building in. the fan experience and how the fan can affect the game into their loyalty program.

Justin Edelstein: So I think. It's a card though, right? It's a card. I want it on my phone, I want an app. I think it's gonna be an app. Nice. But the card, the whole thing is just great. I get one, right?

Jason Atwood: Maybe, we'll see. Well like. Anyway, I need to make my pick because I got to wrap it up. Because I got to come. So my pick, this is a I do this once in a while. It's not that I don't have enough picks because I have a billion picks, but sometimes I just need to pick something that I'm obsessed with because sometimes I pick things that I use, sometimes I pick things that I like. Sometimes I pick things that I'm obsessed with. I'm obsessed with this game. And I, so if you are, if you know about Minecraft, Minecraft is a game where you, you know, virtual worlds build stuff and blocky, blocky, whatever. Everybody should know what Minecraft is. This is a game called Survivor Craft. It is basically a take off on, on Minecraft, but with survival element.

Jason Atwood: I'm absolutely addicted to this. I love this game so much because it's all about like, you get and you're surviving, but in this very easy world where you have caves and and there's lions and you have to find food and you have to sleep and you have to whatever, but very easy. It's not like something realistic, but it's, you know. It's block world like you know all those block world games everything some block anyway I just have to pick this because I've spent way too much time building my worlds and building towers and ideal today I learned how to build gunpowder and I created like Bombs and things wow look at you.

Justin Edelstein: It's just I'd be worried about you if I was you, know my wife She doesn't say, oh, you're playing.

Jason Atwood: So it's the only my downtime. I love this game survivor crafts. to buy a one guy's game is Igor. Kalasink ski. It's $4. It is the best $4 I've spent. It's my new, my new thing. So I've gone through, you know, plans for zombie. I've gone through Kingdom Rush, this is my new, like, I go playing this game. There's worlds you can download, it's a lot of fun. Try it, Survivor Craft. But maybe there's a light version. It's incredible. All right, let's wrap up the podcast. We talked about what is going to be on next week, so that'll be fun. If you want to follow Justin, do it at justettlesteam. You can follow me at Jason M. Atwood. We're both in the success community, if you want to go in® there. Follow the company at Arca Sync, Facebook slash Arca Sync.

37:51 Jason Atwood: Again, success community group. We have a specific group just for this podcast. go in there join the group. It's not private and we post stuff in there. We are going to be doing a question and answer listener questions soon, so getting into that group is good. LinkedIn, Google+, subscribe, and review on iTunes and Stitcher. We love that. Stitcher is becoming a... I'm really liking Stitcher for the way they show podcasts. Until next week, we'll be back again with our new special episode, Justin and Jason saying, enjoy those cloudy days.

Justin Edelstein: I'll see you next time.