Runneth Over - Episode #180 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 108th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the first week of July 2014. This episode is titled, Runneth Over. Cloud Although when he goes away, we don't do the podcast. I guess that's not really fair. Justin Elsig, Justin, how are you doing today? I was just thinking something. Oh, God, don't hurt yourself.

Justin Edelstein: This is a, but I feel like we get time. Oh, 200 number 200 at Dreamforce. I'll just do in the math in my head real quick. Yeah, you don't want the July or first we could lie It's the 27th week. I can need this. There's a nice little feature of I Cal

Jason Atwood: That when you go so it's a 27 minus 42 27 minus 40 to Is 15 We'd have to double or triple up. We'd have to double and triple up. And we ate, and we all know with the summer hours and you know, and all the stuff that we- We usually come

Justin Edelstein: On that, at pace at like 35 to 40 of these a year, not quite 50.

Jason Atwood: We've hit 50, I think once.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. awwww. So, your thought on air is a good thought. Well maybe 200 will be in New Year's episode.

Jason Atwood: No, it'll be right around like December.

Justin Edelstein: Knowing our schedules and whatever. Alright, well maybe we'll just do ten of them at Dreamforce.

Jason Atwood: We could do really quick ones. People don't have long podcasts. They're our podcasts that are like five minutes. Why don't we do that? We could break this podcast down into six podcasts. Why are we not just doing that to get to 200 for Dreamforce? Why don't we just do that every week? record five and release it. daily. Cod Focus Daily brought to you by nobody because we're not gonna do that. That's insanity. I mean if we had a full-time editor we could record one and then release one a day.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. Well if this is our job and stuff.

Jason Atwood: People don't people don't want to listen to... Is this our job? I mean it's part of the job. So as an avid and I mean avid podcast listener and I got to do a lot of podcasts. There is a sweet spot and it is right around 30 to 40 minutes because it's like, it's a workout. It's a commute. Yeah, it's, it's definitely where you want to be.

Justin Edelstein: You want to be in the exactly like you said, a run a, a workout, a commute, or be two times as long as one of those things. So you can listen to the other half on the way home or something. Yeah. I even find when I do I enjoy that I enjoy like 50 minute podcast Oh 50 yeah, yeah cuz I can do the commute both ways right and get the whole podcast done in that one day But yeah, that's about where I like my podcast. I do have a couple of listen to One's one that's just the ramblings of a madman for the first 35 minutes and then some

03:20 Jason Atwood: Pretty decent content for 15 Oh, well, that's that's back to work. Well, you prospective you bring that up because I posted in the GTD group I did Because I've tried that and it's horrible. Oh, but can't do it. It's funny if you like the personalities. I like him and I can't do it. Maybe people listen, maybe people think this is rambling.

Justin Edelstein: This is rambling. They're like, get to the point already. Let's go.

Jason Atwood: All right. We'll move off of that point. Go on. Let's talk. We have a big agenda today. Breeze through the first. We have a blog post. Go read it. We'll talk about it in a second. And now we're going to talk about the stuff that came out of Google I.O. So by the way, we've been doing something different on the podcast. We've actually been talking about what's coming up next week, kind of giving people a hint. We did say we're going to talk about this, so we're going to. And then we have a couple other things, like the Amazon Fire Phone, which we'll talk about. songs. There's a little songs, which is a card focus app pick of the week alumni. Yeah, just made that up. Yeah, has some little news and it has a little personal touch to you and I and then the Facebook what I'm calling Facebook emotion gate.

Jason Atwood: That was brilliant to you just add gate to the end of any word and it's a scan. Yeah, it's awesome. Just let's talk about permission gate gate gate gate gate gate is a scandal about gate. It's like, all right, Bill Gates gate Bill Gates gate. All right, what happened there? So this week's blog post on blog.arkasync inc.com is the 17 120th in the series. There's one more after this. Okay. There's one more after this. There's one more yet. Yeah, you've already pre read it. So this one is called salesforce.com summer 14 release and permission sets So this one is although there wasn't really a lot, not a whole lot, but this blog post goes over the few things that are about permission sets.

Justin Edelstein: If you use some permissions and there's an additional layer to permission sets that allow for some additional granularity for managing users.

Jason Atwood: And there you have it. Go read. And here's, or now you don't have to. No, that's it. But here's the thing. if you don't know about permission sets. just search on our website for permission sets and you'll find a ton of, there are a ton of articles. I will say it is becoming is very, very powerful. And, and even the things you think that you couldn't do, like there's something the other day I thought I couldn't do. It was like, Oh, I can do that in permission set. Oh, that's so awesome. I think they should, I think Salesforce should buy our app and just install it in everybody. I know. Just for bug 50. All right. So read-that. Go. Okay. Next, next up is Google I.O. So last week I think while we were recording it or like what Google I.O.

Jason Atwood: Was either happening or about to happened. So lots of things got announced. Some of which we've already bought.

Justin Edelstein: We have. Yeah, like the Google app stuff.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, so so let's talk about it. I have two articles, basically. I know you've read them both.

06:23 Justin Edelstein: Almost kind of like snarky snarky, horrific. Yeah.

Jason Atwood: Well, it's called Everything You Need to Know About Today's Big Google Presentation. And that was the snarky one. Not a very snarky title.

Justin Edelstein: It's like, oh, I'm getting ready to read this serious article. And then it's like,

Jason Atwood: And then the other one was the 17 most important things about. Google I.O. So those who don't know Google holds a annual user developer conference conference, you know, I guess everybody does these now. And they call Google I.O. They're known for sort of announcing big stuff just like Apple does, Microsoft does I guess and everybody does. And they're known for... known for giving away something. That's really the big thing is that everybody goes and like one year is the next. You got an excess. You get an excess. You get an excess. Every year someone gets, they get like the thing. So this year there's a lot announced. We can't even cover all of it, but since Google, big cloud computing company, getting bigger by the moment, getting scary big, and announced a ton.

Jason Atwood: I don't think we recover all of it, but why don't you just... pick a and we'll come okay

Justin Edelstein: I I don't yet own a wearable and I think I said this on the podcast a few times I'm kind of waiting I'm waiting it out until this thing becomes more real and I feel like it's becoming more real and Android where is is the thing you know taking it to the next level right Google's smartwatches are here and there's a couple of LG, Moto, Samsung, I think, or like three of them at least, that are actually making these watches that you can sort of voice command into almost Siri style. And we're apple guys, so we're always going to compare this stuff to the iOS. constantly. But you're gonna basically like tell your watch to do something and then it's gonna connect with your phone presumably and do the thing that it's gonna do and show it to you on your watch.

Justin Edelstein: Turn by turn navigation on your watch. That's pretty cool. So I'm waiting for wearables to kind of... Well, I guess I'm waiting for them to really hit the Apple universe. Basically, basically, thanks Google for reminding me that I'm waiting for Apple to do this. Thanks for not waiting for Apple to do this. There's Apple to allow someone to do it, which they probably won't.

Jason Atwood: Well they have. They have a Google health. No, Google health. I mean a Google health health kit, which is Apple's. Ah, there we go. Right.

Justin Edelstein: So I'm waiting for someone to do this well that fits into my technology environment. measurement. or ecosystem,

Jason Atwood: But I am not like a you're not a First adopter so like I like to know the thing that like is gonna you

Justin Edelstein: Basically just wait to I know Well, I wait for you to buy it and I wait for you to actually use it for like six months because not lose two of them Because you tend I love the shine.

09:38 Jason Atwood: I know because I replaced it with something else. There you have it. What'd you replace it with? I'll tell you that in my pick of the week.

Justin Edelstein: Did I just change? So there we go. Okay. Well, anyway, I am interested in this in the wearables. s I think having the power of the the phones are just getting so powerful and being able to you know, like go-go gadget watch into it and tell it to do something is pretty cool. Again, the one that caught the use case that really caught my eye was, was the like, you know, was the maps. So being able to get me somewhere and just kind of look at my wrist. Not having to take my phone out constantly and like walk around staring at my. phone like an idiot and walk into somebody like street navigation walking routes in New York is important but then don't you just want Google Glass because then you don't have to look at anybody I would like again that's a wearable though yeah it's wearable so just the whole notion of wearing stuff that helps me do things a lot easier is is in my mind really really like Cool.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, so they announced a couple things they announced a They again, you know again trying not to be an Apple too much of ample fanboy A lot of it was just very much what just got a lot of said WDBC. They have their own fit platform. They have their own Now they're going with a Android TV platform the cars They have their own car platform just like CarPlay like everybody's sort of falling along the same one Here's what I think is just overall on Google. Like I still think that Google is terrible at hardware. Where Apple is brilliant at hardware, Google is terrible at it and has just proven over and over and over again that they just can't do hardware. They don't get it, they're too- So what if this is Google hardware though?

Jason Atwood: So. Well, but it's always like... But none of this is hardware. Well, Google Glass is their hardware. That's it. But I don't think they even talked about Google Glass. Well, and... Well, yes, they did as I think. Google Chromecast is hardware. Okay, so that's hardware. At their Android TV.

Justin Edelstein: That's not hardware. That's a Sony TV with Android OS on it. That's that's soft. Okay, that's the software. That's true And I thought those ones are software. It's operating system. Yeah, I just there's something I'm cast I were chrome books are hardware, but they're but they're they're pretty

Jason Atwood: They're pretty like the read by everybody And they're pop I guess they are and they're they're better I don't know Google makes their own or they might just put their brand on top of it's called a chrome book But it's made by Samsung. Oh, they're very popular Yeah, we saw one years ago. I always look at them and I'm like, I should buy one just for the office, just to have like a backup computer.

Justin Edelstein: But then I'm always like, well, why am I? Well, it's funny to take this on a little bit of a tangent. My father had asked me the other day, he said, I need a new laptop. Should I get an Air or MacBook Pro? And I was like, whoa, whoa, that's a big disparity between those two things. In my mind, one's like serious horsepower and the other's really light and. Pretty lightweight and they're what you want to do. They're coming closer. They said what do you want to do? He said I want to surf the web. I said well anything else I was like is that it is that the primary thing or do you got any other uses here? He goes well I still have my desktop. So like why don't you just get a chromecast or a chromebook like surf the web He's like well, I still need Microsoft Word on it.

13:03 Justin Edelstein: I was like, ah, why are you surfing the web with Microsoft Word? I I was like I don't even want to get into it with you, but alright. Get an air. Yeah, get an air. Get an air. Air is awesome. I told him, I said get an air with a bigger hard drive. Well, also get an iPad. It has an iPad.

Jason Atwood: Well, it's a web app. And you can use it. It wants a laptop. It wants to type.

Justin Edelstein: Not the same. See, lots of people do it. I'm personally not there yet, but,.. A lot of people do it at the surface, and it seems to work out pretty well for them.

Jason Atwood: You've seen a lot of people use the surface? I've never seen one live.

Justin Edelstein: I've seen a person use it very often as his computer. Oh, yes. And it works out pretty well for him. Yeah. And I know another person who said it's worked out very well for him, so that's two.

Jason Atwood: A lot of people. I mean it's funny because I'm almost the opposite. I have this very powerful laptop which by the way, although it did start giving me an issue the other day, I mean this is the most abused laptop I've ever had in my life. I use this thing 14 hours a day or whatever 12 hours a day 365 days a year. and just pound it. Like it literally just gets, and I take it, and I swap it out, and I throw it into bags, and I bring it with me. But I never use it as, I use it as headless. Like wherever I am, except for right now, if I'm in the office, I hook it up to a big computer and close it, right?

Justin Edelstein: Wait, wait, let's move along. All right, let's move along. Because there's another interesting thing. Well, let's talk about the one thing that was really cool. What was my thing? You can get some of my stuff. Well, I was gonna talk about drive. Well, that's what you talk about it. All right. Well, let me talk about Drive.

Jason Atwood: So there's a big overhaul to Drive with a couple new features and a new version of Drive.

Justin Edelstein: Make sure you talk about the Office stuff, too.

Jason Atwood: Well, that's the big one, which is that you can now finally edit Microsoft Office files natively in Google Drive. So you don't need Office to edit it. Now, I haven't tried this yet. Have you tried it? Nope. OK. I've opened.

Justin Edelstein: I've. I've noticed the bar has changed. It's no longer on the bottom. It's at the top and I've opened like when you click on a on a on a Word document in Drive, it opens to this preview pane first, right? Where you can sort of read the document. I haven't clicked the open. button just yet.

Jason Atwood: Okay. To see what would happen. Yeah, you're supposed to be able to do one.

Justin Edelstein: I didn't want to like explode the document. It was kind of an important. That was an important document.

Jason Atwood: That's one of the big ones. Obviously they've been going a lot with mobile. They release sheets and drive and docs and all the stuff that but the big one. It's not, I mean, it's not huge, it's just sort of where the world's going. So Google Apps for Business or Google Apps, whatever they called it, had a million names. Used to be a $5 per user per month and then it gave you so much storage and if you wanted to go over, like we did, we, you know, it would give you, you could buy more storage. Well, they now created sort of a all-you-can-eat Google Apps Unlimited or they call it Google Apps Work or Google Work Apps, whatever. There's two different names. It's basically the same thing. It's $10 per user per month, but it's unlimited.

16:10 Jason Atwood: So you get unlimited storage. You can store things that are just huge. I mean, just huge files. I think the file limit, I forgot what it was. It's a big file limit, like a size of a file. Also, they're doing a lot more with security. Auditing. They now include Google Vault, which is their compliance email solution where they'll grab all emails and throw them into a compliance thing you can search on. And everything is encrypted all the way through and at rest. Which is a big thing. That's like I know a big like, you know, in the enterprise world, encrypted at rest. I mean, it's... When it's sitting on the server, it's encrypted. It's not, you know, in free text form. So, we upgraded. It was pretty easy. it wasn't a big price differential.

Jason Atwood: I mean, for the amount that we use, shh, don't tell anybody, but for the amount that we use Google docs, $10 a user is like compared to even sales for us, like I would say. Here's a, here's a random question. How much not as a consultant who works at other people's sales forces, but if you were to cut down your work day and percentage wise, how much you use our Salesforce instance and our Google Docs or Drive, what percentage would you say?

Justin Edelstein: Far more on the Google side than it is anywhere. 60%. And then if you throw mail on top of it, it's way more. Right, then you're way over the top. And then 90 percentile there. Right, because we use, we actually

Jason Atwood: Use our Salesforce but we use it to book time and to product manage but it's not the majority of our work hours.

Justin Edelstein: And sell stuff occasionally. We only sell stuff.

Jason Atwood: So. So yes, I mean, again, you do that value comparison. What do we pay for sales for us? And what do we pay for Google? Per user per month. I mean, enterprise is $125 per user per month. And we have enterprise. And then there's Google, which is $10. That's a disparity. Big time. And also look for storage. What do you pay for storage here versus storage here? It's like unlimited. I'm going to submit it. Anyway, so I think now for backing things up, like it used to be like, well, you wouldn't want to throw your... So one thing you can do now is throw your Salesforce backups in the Google Drive.

Justin Edelstein: Well, why not? You got terabytes. I just got 13 gigs of wedding photos and I need to disseminate them to people. I might just throw them up on the Google Drive.

Jason Atwood: No, you can't. That's not a good use of that. That's a great use of that. Just throw them up there as files. Yeah, there you go. 13 gigs, whatever. And again, a lot more granular controls. Share the folder. Who can do what, who can change stuff, lots of editing, lots of nice little features. Again, it's hard to tell how many of them have been there. I just haven't paid attention to it and how many were new. But nice. I mean, Drive, I think, is one of their few apps that I feel like has just gotten better and better slowly. They also had a nice new feature called, what is it called, suggested edit. it. inside of We've done that one We've been using using that which is instead of actually just commenting on something you can suggest edit it or or editing it

Justin Edelstein: You can it sort of shows up as a green edit Right you can accept it or not or comment back and forth on it a little collaborative, right?

19:15 Jason Atwood: Nice. So again tons of stuff anything else out of the Google I oh, I'm just trying to I'm having a hard time with The difference between Android

Justin Edelstein: TV and a chromecast But I guess Android TV is like more of an Apple TV like experience. And Chromecast is more for just like an AirPlay type of experience.

Jason Atwood: That's absolutely. Android TV is Apple TV. Chromecast, you remember Chromecast is headless. So you don't see Chromecast. You just have to sling things over to it. You can't use Chromecast by itself. You need to have another device to control it, to send things to it. Now they are doing some cool non-network based Chromecast. I saw that.

Justin Edelstein: And neither of them are in use. And then the other one I travel with, one I keep with me on my,

Jason Atwood: What I know someday is gonna be, I'll be, I'll go to some client and I'll need to present something. They'll be like, oh, we don't have this, we don't have this. I'll just take the Chromecast, I'll plug it in, I'll go into Chrome and then I'll stream it up there. You know, won't need a network, won't need anything, and I'll be like, look at that. Beautiful.

Justin Edelstein: I'm hoping that that's what I'm doing it for. Do you remember how much money people would spend on conference rooms with video conferencing and sharing and nonsense?

Jason Atwood: So let's see what else. Encryption transferred, enhanced admin controls, audit and activity APIs, unlimited storage, $10 per user, unlimited storage. Let's see if we can test that. I'm sure we will. All right, so let's move on to all the ones

Justin Edelstein: Philanthropic thing that they did there, kind of philanthropic thing that they did there. Oh, no, go for it. Tell me what they do. with the cheaper phone.

Jason Atwood: Oh, the like, phone, third world phone. Yeah, third world phone.

Justin Edelstein: Sure. We can call it that, I guess. This piloting it. I think they're piloting it in India. It's a $99 phone full on Android or stripped down. I think it's got some preloaded features on it. can't remember the whole deal on it. I did read the thing about it really quick, but it seemed like it was a good idea. I think it was Android one hardware models that other manufacturers can use to build their phones. So selling solid Android devices at realistic costs for the developing world. See, they say it for developing world. They didn't call it the third world phone. That's right. And the individual manufacturers will be able to build their own apps on it, obviously, because it's an Android device.

Jason Atwood: Well, speaking of phones. Speaking of phones. Segui, Segui, Segui. Speaking of Android phones. Amazon announced before we did our last podcast, the Amazon Firephone, which basically sounds like a phone that like burns in your hand. Like, oh, it sounds like a phone that that burns money in your hand. Or that's like, here, shop or here's the phone by stuff on it. Or that it has or that the the red the red woman really likes.

22:31 Justin Edelstein: She here. Here's the Lord. It's the Lord of Firephone. It's going to not work. So you're going to need. that emergency button and that'll be cool.

Jason Atwood: You'll need some Mayday. Here, I need someone in the world to tell me the Mayday. My favorite part about Mayday, so Mayday is the, if you don't know about Mayday, is the feature of, I guess, their tablet, their Fire Tablet, that you hit a button and then you instantly get connected in video to someone who can then help you out. And it's on the commercials and it's always this good looking. redhead, right? And I'm always thinking, I know this is terrible, but I'm always like, I'm guessing that she doesn't answer every call.

Justin Edelstein: The technology breakthrough with Mayday is actually what they're able to do to people who don't look like her and make them appear to look like her on the other side of the video. Like that's what they do. They make everyone look like her. That's the breakthrough technology there. So it's their phone. It clearly has some, you know, prime stuff in it. I feel like they built this to make Amazon easier to buy stuff from. Like they literally built it as like an Amazon shopping machine in your hand. Well, it's interesting, they're throwing in prime.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, perspective that doesn't get to me firefly technology simply press the firefly button to instantly identify. Identify into phone numbers, movies music. So it's kind of like just it's kind of like we use those at a file and things like to like Recognize or there's an ant I use the one on

Justin Edelstein: Amazon for Amazon for Amazon thing and send it up and tell now Kind of, kind of interesting. I feel like they have Prime with this. Cause all their content is in there. If you have Prime, you get all that music stuff. If you're not a Prime member, there's no way of all your music in like, that's just not happening.

25:37 Jason Atwood: , is getting into hardware and they're all getting into phones. Like that's just how big this thing is. It seems like they're on the, I wouldn't want to be getting into the phone business right now. It seems like the wrong time to get in. 10 years ago, great. But right now getting into, producing your own phone.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. Like it's dominated by some of the biggest players out there. Apple and Google and Microsoft's trying real, real hard. Hi, like true innovation, where I say...

Jason Atwood: Waiting for Amazon, sorry, Amazon car. Coming, coming. All right. Amazon watch. Remember how we talked about we don't use Roku anymore because we don't TV. I had to use it the other day. Why is that, because side story, daughter had a sleepover for her. Her birthday and IB set up. she doesn't have a TV in her room because she's too young, but.

Justin Edelstein: I set up for this night, special night, I set Oh yeah, I guess on RCN it could be on the map. Yeah, I didn't think about that. That's how we watch stuff instead of booting up HBO GO. I really like HBO GO. Anyway, so then we watched that. We're making our way through Veep this past season. Veep's very funny. I just finished it, yeah. Oh, I'm ahead of you and I'm ahead of you.

Jason Atwood: Well, and my number one suggestion to you that you then watched.

Justin Edelstein: Very good. What was it? Sherlock. There you go. I've made a suggestion to you recently and I hope you take I far go I hope you take that and run with it. I'm working through Orange is the New Black season 2

28:38 Jason Atwood: As you are It's a rough to work through.

Justin Edelstein: Anyway, all right, we got two more articles. No one wants to hear about our Our TV Redux.

Jason Atwood: No, we we could do a redux.

Justin Edelstein: That's what we should do We should have a- I don't care. The wire's staying number one for me. I'm not ever moving it. A contest.

Jason Atwood: No. I'm not removing it. First of all, you have to do the top 10 streaming TV or top 10 like within a year so you can't begin it. It didn't come out in that year. Aha! What year? Like this year. Like it had to come out- Like this year. Like we'll do one in November and say had to be this- had to air this year. Had to air or it has to be streaming now?

Justin Edelstein: Well, they're kinda just streaming. Not every streaming now. This is ridiculous.

Jason Atwood: We just watched World Cup streaming. Everything's streaming. pick the World Cup. Okay, speaking of which, runneth over. My cup runneth over.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, good for you. World Cup, runneth over. Yeah, whatever. All right, let's go. Some more stories.

Jason Atwood: Songza, a bring it back to Google. A previous, well, a previous pick of the week from. Moi, correct owned by a guy or actually started by a guy who lives in our building who I see at the gym all the time Yeah, which is a streaming

Justin Edelstein: Music service Which I really liked it at the gym saying I'm at the gym playing me a gym I'm working out.

Jason Atwood: I'm working out and then you watch the guy workout thing and he's there It was funded in part by Amazon. Huh? And now it got bought by Google. Good for Google. So anyway, for songs, it's good for songs. Good for them. Interesting. You know, they had a nice it with Amazon just got into it. Well, this was weird. Amazon funded or partly funded songs. Then they went and built their own streaming service. Their Amazon music thing that I talked about.

Justin Edelstein: And then this one gets bought by Google. Seems to have a lot more going for it with sentiment. and like moods and understand, like with Google's understanding of where you are and what, what's going on around you with this sort of algorithm here with music can be rather interesting. I think so. And I really like the app and I use it all the time. I flip between all four.

Jason Atwood: I will say the thing that the thing that it Did very well was with sentiment and I could walk in and be like it's Sunday morning What do you want to do like I don't know am I relaxing having coffee? Yeah, I'm having coffee and then it'd be like listen to some folk music But okay, sure and I would just explore where normally I'm like give me the same thing as as I always listen to Give me the 90s pop music. I know Oh current pop modern pop classics like that's your thing It's what I that imprints I don't listen to Prince. That's your jam. I know it's weird though.- I want new stuff. I don't want to listen to old music. I wish. He has a new song. I bought it. but the, the, the Amazon one, the nice thing about the Amazon cloud stream music stream is that you can go through and take an album and download it in the app and then you have it offline.

Jason Atwood: So that's kind of a nice, that's free.

Justin Edelstein: I was playing around with the Amazon streamer and it had. Not all the albums I wanted, but some of them. And then someone was like, but you can buy it. And I was like, no, I just don't. That wasn't the point. I don't buy music. I already pay you. I'm nobody buys a subscription.

31:52 Jason Atwood: Well, that's the thing. I now have two music subscriptions that I pay for, but I don't pay for. I don't directly pay for them, but I get them for free. Apple and Amazon.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. So it's like why would I never use iTunes radio or whatever that is? I used it all the time. I never ever turn it on. It's so clunky for me. I just hate it. It's so much more clunky than any of the other ones. Why do you think they bought Beats? I hope it's because Beats has a great streaming service that they're... I hope so. It's a bunch of people and I'm not like for it. Yeah, well, now we're gonna get it free. Roll it right in. My next iPhone better come with super awesome Beats headphones.

Jason Atwood: I don't think the Beats headphones are that great. Anywho, let's talk lastly a story that I don't know a ton about, but let's talk about it. Okay, I was reading about it.

Justin Edelstein: I think both our takes are going to be very similar on this one.

Jason Atwood: So this comes from a story that Amazon, sorry, now we're on to another Cloud player. Facebook, Facebook, Facebook, Facebook. Facebook manipulated the feed of over 62,000 thousand dollars in number? 600,000? Almost 700,000. 700,000. Manipulated the newsfeed or their feed of information. Basically experimenting on them to see if they could change their emotions or sentiment by showing different types of stories.

Justin Edelstein: They wanted to see, yeah, they basically flooded random users' newsfeeds with either positive or negative statuses for one week in January about two and a half years ago. And basically they wanted to study it and see if if it could, you know, if that could... Your mood.

Jason Atwood: Right. Okay. And... Right, because then I think what they would be doing is watching what you then post. Yeah.

Justin Edelstein: Or see if you could affect others' moods and so on and so forth. Right. The the gate part of this is that they didn't tell you they were doing it. So while in the terms of agreement that nobody reads and out of service or whatever it is... You also basically sign... you...

Jason Atwood: I mean, I sent him for Facebook whatever many years ago. Oh yeah.

Justin Edelstein: And I'm sure how like I don't install it. Like you don't reinstall that's the thing you'd have to wait. When you log in and the terms of service change, you should have to re accept them, but you're not gonna not accept them.

Jason Atwood: You're gonna accept them. Oh, you know, and you always accept them. I think legally this needs to go legally turns of agreement turns to services and all that. And there's that funny South Park episode, but like legally this has to be thrown out because it. It holds no water if nobody reads it and it's a click of a button and it's not reasonable.

Justin Edelstein: No one reads it It holds no, it holds no water. They don't even make sure that you even like tried to read it like Like they just let you say I agree go. It's like you couldn't read that in three seconds That's right. They should say you need to take like 20 minutes at least 20 minutes to read this or print it And then there's a do something. Here's a test. Do something with it. Save it to your desktop Whatever so so yes, then it's our manipulating serious.

34:56 Jason Atwood: What do you know? Whatever.

Justin Edelstein: I mean they basically either Basically what they did was they didn't they didn't make up things. They just didn't show you certain posts as an experiment for a week and I don't really find anything all that You know Disturbing about it. They just hid stuff from you. Whatever that doesn't disturb you not really I mean, I kind of we've talked about this ad nauseam. I feel like this is an expected behavior. I Have what's expected? It's expected of a happiness do things like this. I expect it. I I Fully understand that it's happening, and I'm okay with it wow that's it. I just know what's happening, so that's it What what I I know it's happening, and I'm using the service anyway if these if I've so many people are so Up in arms about it stop using the freaking thing well Just stop that's true if you're so upset stop complaining and delete the freaking account delete the app off your phone delete the app off your iPad remove the bookmark in your bookmarks bar and stop it.

Justin Edelstein: Otherwise, shut up. That's it. It's so simple. They're not gonna stop. They don't think they did anything wrong. So that's it.

Jason Atwood: Well, this, I mean, what's nice about this, and I agree with you in part in that this is something that you either. can do or not do. You have a choice as a consumer. This is not even, this is not like, you know, getting milk and bread to survive or buying a house or something. This is a social network that you can literally ignore and just delete and, you know,

Justin Edelstein: And be off of and be okay. And so my wife decided four or five years ago. Facebook upsets me, I don't want to use it anymore, and has not looked at it since. And I'm- Her choice. I am of this,

Jason Atwood: I am, I actually fall more in her camp, in that Facebook does not, Facebook used to be something that I liked because it gave me information about people who I cared about and their events in their life, and sharing, and I felt that fun. Thank you. There became a point, I don't know when it was, two years ago, three years ago, that Facebook became a place where people were using it to grandstand, to post things that, again, being judgmental, I just thought, really? I don't really want to read that. And you're kind of pushing it in my face and you're my friend or my friend, whatever. And so, like, it became a place where. I would get angry looking at. And so it's like, don't do it. So instead of just deleting my account, because I actually have to be on Facebook for many reasons I just don't go into it that very often.

Jason Atwood: I get tagged and stuff. My wife was tagging the crap out of me last night in photos. I don't even go look. I just don't look. Whoa. I don't care.

Justin Edelstein: That went to a strange place. This is not an explosive bad guy. But I think this is shady crap. This is shady.

Jason Atwood: If you're going to do this type of stuff, then have people, you know, give them some some Facebook bucks or something that you're going to be a part of an experiment. Does that exist? No, I think Facebook box. Facebook box. I think experimenting on people without their knowledge is shady. The only way to do it properly. No, it's called. They experiment on people all the time. They tell them, they come into the room. the way. Today we're gonna experiment to you on the ahh but then it's like then it doesn't work No it always works It could have totally worked they were they were trying on a new game and they would have Guess what? I just think it's shady Doing it anyway I think this is you know what I think this is I think this is the start of the beginning Could be it could be the beginning of the end I think it is

38:35 Justin Edelstein: You just said the start of the beginning which is not quite what you meant The start of the beginning of the ending Beginning of the end The beginning of the end The start of the beginning of the beginning of the end

Jason Atwood: This is the end of the beginning, the start of the end of this podcast. Let's do some picks. What are we doing next? Well, the next time on CloudFocus Weekly... Next time Mr. Rogers ties his shoes.

Justin Edelstein: We don't know. We have a blog post coming out on the work.com features in summer 14. Excellent. So we'll talk about that. That's certainly happening. We'll cover the news of the day or the news of the week.

Jason Atwood: We'll come off of a July 4. We've actually started collecting some of our ideas for future podcasts. So we should start getting better about that. We should also throw those out there as a poll maybe. See what people want to talk about. Yeah, we said we were going to do that. I think I almost posted it in the group, but I didn't. So we should do that.

Justin Edelstein: Let's do that. Okay. Let me talk about this app. And I'm really... I see this on the App Store. Very exciting. Okay. I'm gonna go as you talk about it and download it. So I played with it the other day. Yesterday or two days ago it's called 120 Sports. 120, the number sports. It's free. It's from 120 Sports LLC. Some shady company. Okay, they're not quite shady. So basically they are counting themselves and I believe them to be a first of a kind, a first of its kind network. That's purely app based. It's this app. And it's a network is a sports network like ESPN, right? They just they just, here's the sports news. You can follow teams, you can follow players. They stream live, they have a live morning show. Okay, they have up to the not quite up to the minute like ESPN's crawling and always breaking news and throwing stuff in your face Like a CNN, but Johnny Manziel just went to Vegas Yeah, I know about time and so went to the bathroom and whatever so but they do have big-time partners They're they're partnered with time Inc which owns Sports Illustrated.

Justin Edelstein: Okay, as well as the NHL the NBA MLB.com, NASCAR, Kobe- Not the NFL. So, is there no NFL news? There is NFL news. Like, if you go New York Jets and you hit follow, boom, up comes a bunch of features made by them about the New York Jets, which is really cool. So, it's like original content. Original live, original content, live streaming content when they're streaming live. Okay. and They also pull in articles from their partners. So like SI calm or MLB calm or tweets from people that they decide are influential for that team or who are sport or what have you like what you're saying this is just a cool concept. It's like forget even a website. We're just They do have, it is a website, but really it's the app. Our network is the app on this device.

Justin Edelstein: That is our network. Like HBO Go. If HBO ceased to exist, but they said, well here's HBO Go, that's HBO.

41:41 Jason Atwood: HBO Go ceased to exist. No, I said if HBO,

Justin Edelstein: The television channel, the network, you could not go to it on your television. Sees to exist. Definitely gonna happen. That's what this is, but it's around sports and original content Pulling in content from partners. I think it's really cool concept and it's well executed. It looks really cool. You have a timeline view You can jump into the live broadcast. You can do trending So like what's trending now you can follow your favorite sports your favorite teams your favorite athletes It's really cool. It has notifications which I turn. I don't need to know every time something happens. And you can search for stuff which the you know what you want. So I think this is just a cool cool concept that other people are going to have to sort of take to the next level as well with like my network is my app.

Justin Edelstein: I no longer have to, there's like no middleman here. It's live content right to you. I like it. I like it. Middleman is Apple in this case.

Jason Atwood: I mean, I use, so just for my, what I use on a daily basis to check my sports news, I do sports talk, NBC sports talk, which is great to have a football section. They're pro football talk is very good. It's awesome. And what's the, what they do sports illustrated. Right. It is.

Justin Edelstein: So that content's going to come in here. Okay.

Jason Atwood: And I use a Bleacher Report team stream.

Justin Edelstein: Just also very good. Teamstream is excellent. Right. So this is different. It's a, it's a bit of a different take. They're producing their own content. I guess so does pro football. And so does teamstream. Does teamstream produce their own? Tons of it.

Jason Atwood: Tons of stuff. So to me, it's sort of in that. I like it. I mean those don't do, well actually Teamstream started to do video segments and post a couple. Yeah, this is a lot of video. It's like here's the highlights or let me talk to you about training camp or whatever. So it's what's it called again? It's called?

Justin Edelstein: 120 Sports. I have it now on my iPad. There you go. Check it out. Thank you very much.

Jason Atwood: Alright, well I'm making a special pick. This is the first, well not the first time ever, but this is the first time, I'm going to say that anyway,

Justin Edelstein: How many steps have you taken today? Bye. Tell me how many steps. Well, now you're taking my thing. Let's compare. Let's compare. Well, hold on. I made a pic a couple weeks ago. I took your pic and I used it. Which is called what? Breeze. Breeze. Here it is. That's my steps today.

Jason Atwood: So I called Breeze and I liked it. I really enjoyed it and I posted it as a thing and someone listened to podcast listener. That's correct. And then they said, why don't you try Argus? And I thought they were talking about Arkus. So I literally kind of ignored it for a bit and I was like, what do you mean? And then I went back and I looked it up and it wasn't until I think it hit, it actually hit the Apple commercial. They showed it in the Apple commercial. I was like, oh, and also showed the shine by the way, the app, the thing that I had before they showed that Apple commercial. But the reason I liked the breeze was because I lost my shine and I wanted something to track my See you next week.

Jason Atwood: To track my steps and whatever. So I was using Breeze and I was liking it. But then Breeze did two things I didn't like. One, it chewed up my battery because I had so much location services going. So I turned off location services and it started bugging me about it. And then I put in some help and then- Every time it bugs. I put in a ticket with them and they came back saying, it's a feature to help you enjoy the Breeze. And I said, yeah, you don't need to ask me every single time. Ask me once and I'll tell you no. And then I turned off push notifications on it, and now it has this little thing that's beeping in the corner. So where Breeze really started to look like I like Breeze, and I started to go bad.

45:12 Jason Atwood: So I picked up Argus. Again, what's nice about this is one thing you didn't know, the motion sensor, the motion M7 inside the iPhone 5S, actually tracks seven days. is. So I picked up the artist for the first time. Breeze did that. So you don't actually know. That was a sound effect. Even daily. You don't even need to turn it on at all. So what is the difference between Argus and Breeze? It's just much more in depth. So keeping your daily steps, great. 68.02. I'm winning. But it also does, it does other tracking of easy things. Like I track how much glass of water I drink, how much cups of coffee, you know. How does it do that? It doesn't. You just put this little buses like, oh, I hit, I had a cup of coffee.

Jason Atwood: And it has this little thing where you can tell me how much water. Oh, look at that. A little visualization there. So I'm going to make it a second pick because it's kind of connected. What do you mean? I don't like when you do this. I love this. So one of the things it does is it measures heart rate. Okay. So there's a, there's another app called Instant Heart Rate. and you literally do this,

Justin Edelstein: I think I showed you this the other day. It did show me that. So you put it like this, it then throws... Nobody knows what this is. You're holding your finger in front of the, I guess it's the flash, or the flash light and the camera, and it's got a red light beaming through your finger. And it's then taking photos of my,

Jason Atwood: Of what it can see and measuring my heart rate. So what's your resting heart rate right now? 66 right now. Is that good or bad? That's pretty good But then when you do it, can you do mine? Sure. What finger do you need? Oh, well, no, I go Let's go to the app. That was my original pick. What finger do you need? Any finger?

Justin Edelstein: Any finger? Yeah Let's go with this finger. Let's get this step. Hold on. Let's go. Well, let's do this. This is live This is everybody loves this. This is live. Everyone's waiting with suspense Hold on.

Jason Atwood: I gotta figure out next. I'm doing oh right here there There we go. All right, so as that's going it's detecting pulse detecting. All right, it's almost got it So what I got it's almost not it. Is this hurting me?

Justin Edelstein: No, it's just it's here. It's almost I can't tell from wait Just wait, I'm like and wait my fingers. Yeah 118 what that's impossible.

Jason Atwood: Hold on. You're just sitting here I know well, you're about to die And this episode ends with 73 74 75 76 75. Hold on wait five second flaps Really? Four, three, two, one. Sixty-nine. Alright, I like that. S This app you can actually say I just moved back. I was started at 118. You were very excited. Anyway, it's a cool little app. It literally just uses the camera. It shoots the turns on the thing, uses the camera, and then obviously is looking at... Looking at your heart rate through your finger. So cool. It is anyway, but Argus is really nice. I would say give it a shot It's got some nice features. It's got graphing It's got you can then compare things you can compare like how many glasses of water it keeps your calorie count You can log food like you take pictures of it.

48:31 Jason Atwood: You can put in some activities It has a list of activities you can put into it. So it's kind of cool. And some of it works with other systems. So one of the things it does, although it hasn't worked very well, is it reads from Runkeeper. Well, it doesn't do that then. If it doesn't do it well, it doesn't do it. It's in beta, it says. Yeah, let's wait. So this, I think, is the future. You're seeing the future. We're seeing the future. Where it's all these different apps are going to talk to this thing. Yeah, we like that. Yeah, and that's what I like. We like that. So Argus and Heart Rate Monitor.

Justin Edelstein: ...... If you want to follow that, that's all the podcasts and blogs get. I'm just doing these days. I didn't it didn't it hop. Oh, it went below. It did, it's at 498.

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Justin Edelstein: Thanks for watching!