Got It Finished - Episode #215 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 215th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the second week of May 2015. This episode is titled Got It Finished. CloudFocus Weekly is brought to you by Arkus, specializing in Salesforce implementation, consulting, and force.com development. search for podcast. ARK US on the AppExchange and read what our clients have to say about us. I'm your host Jason Amman joining me for 215 times in a row. Co-host, packed and ready, Justin Travel Travel Travel, Wettlestein.

Justin Edelstein: What do you mean travel travel travel? Because next week... We're traveling yeah, there's so are we not doing one of these next week.

Jason Atwood: I'm not gonna be doing it Monday Ain't happen.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah To do it from a flight person sitting next to us absolutely hate us. We are actually sitting next to each other.

Jason Atwood: Well, so There's always a good reason or two why we don't do a podcast.

Justin Edelstein: It's cod focus mostly weekly And weekly plus or minus one Either direction. Yeah, sometimes we do three cloud focus mostly a few times a month. Why don't we just call it cloud focus monthly and have the expectations go down and then just crush it by doing it almost weekly.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, or do twice a month and fish bi-monthly. I don't know. Anyway, so next week we are headed off to San Francisco.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah The land of milk and honey and Salesforce and for Salesforce and meeting up with some of our Salesforce birds Let the rumors fly now. We may or may not be buying Salesforce That is why we're going to say it's exactly right being called in to consult. They're consulting us on spurts Let's put it this way. We will be meeting with Parker Harris. I bank yesterday just put two and two together kids check my travel schedule I'm I have I went to the bank and we're meeting with Parker Harris come on you know what's happening next stop logical next stop is we are guys we own sales by sales are guys buys 0.0000001 percent of sales for Art supplies a share.

Jason Atwood: Someone's three shares. All right. We'll get to that in a second. We'll talk about the continuation of the rumors. It's a surge. But we'll start off by a blog post, which is how we always start our podcast. Is that why this is called Got It Finished?

Justin Edelstein: Yes. Because you got it done. Getting things done. We're getting it done and now you got it finished.

Jason Atwood: So this week's blog post is about...

Justin Edelstein: So, I, this is the refreshed book of

Jason Atwood: Getting Things Done, which I've now listened to a bunch of a bunch of podcasts of him talking about it. Maybe four or five sort of why he rewrote it. Four or five? Come on now.

03:17 Justin Edelstein: Don't be embarrassed. rest. That's for a... Dude, I tell the truth. 39,000. Thank you.

Jason Atwood: And I... And so anyway, he...we found this out, I guess back in October when we went to one of his one day seminars and met him and, and talked to him, and there was a rumor that he was going to rewrite the book. Or he's going to...I don't want to say rewrite.

Justin Edelstein: Like a book report. Like an elementary school child. Conclusion.

Jason Atwood: Bullet point bullet point sub summary sub topic. So an interesting one because it's a book that in some ways I know so well but in some ways I have not read it for at least. I've not read the book and I'm air quoting. Everybody can see me air quoting. Well, I see you. I've not read the book since 2006 maybe. Yeah. I thought you read it every year. No, no, no, no. I don't read it. I thought you. I listen to and I actually don't read this one. I think making it all work. You read that one. Which is second one. I don't read it. I listen to that one. The audio version. I love that one. That book is, because it's even better than this, although again, it's kind of hard to say. If you're a GTD newbie, which we just have a few around the office now, you need to read this, because this is the basics.

Justin Edelstein: I having the foundation. I don't think so.

Jason Atwood: Getting things done is much more... transactional and he's actually pulled a little bit out of the transactional nature of it. Does he talk about 43 folders? He does, but really in terms of... Yeah, but he talks about it in terms of one way. He really just sort of... In more anything, he took off the very specific things to sort of systems and technologies. So like he talks about a social network. He talks, you know, things that come into your inbox, but he doesn't do Facebook or Twitter.

Justin Edelstein: He's really wasn't 43 folders in extremely specific air quote technology.

Jason Atwood: He kind of re wraps it and says, here's one way of of a tick or system. But here's another you could also use folders on your desktop. You could also use things like you know, online digital systems. So it's a lot so he It'd be 40 wouldn't even acknowledge that because Evernote and Dropbox didn't exist So now they do and now things like 43 folders really 43 folders was about telling you know belt organizing when things and having things come pop up when you needed to but now with Applications like OmniFocus. I don't need 43 folders because it does to that for me I just defer it and then it'll come back when it's supposed to I say I defer Mother's Day until May 1st and then on May 1st it shows with my project list So you don't really need 43 folders anymore if you have a

Justin Edelstein: Good GTD app I thought you were gonna say defer Mother's Day for eh, whenever.

Jason Atwood: Well, let's save my tickets I have Mother's Day and my anniversary and they both popped up in my GTD. I was woo Got to go into the jewelry store. No Gotta order some pens So anyway, it's he really ends and he took he took out a lot of the very specific Technology stuff sort of weight watched it with you know less specific technology stuff talks about digital systems The idea is he wants this to last another 15 years so not have to go back in five years ago. Oh well Facebook doesn't exist anymore. Let's say Facebook goes away and then you say, oh, well Facebook was a digital inbox. Well, we're also buying Facebook. Right, we are doing that. But the most important thing, and then we'll move on, is there's two new chapters. One is talking, it's called GTD and Cognitive Science, where, unless I know the partner who shall not be named, he should just buy this book just to read this because he'd really like it.

07:02 Jason Atwood: It's about all the studies that have happened over the last 15 years. about GTD. So using, right, so talking about it and studies, you know, scientific studies. That's really interesting. And the last one was my favorite, which was sort of a GTD mastery. So it kind of lays out these levels. It says, well, if you're doing this, you're kind of here. If you're doing this, you're kind of here. I was reading, it's going, okay, I got to that one. Ooh, I got to that one. Ooh and got to that one. So it's... So it's good. I really enjoyed it. It was a good refresh. If you haven't read it, obviously you start here You would not read the old one at this point. If you haven't read it, you've been on GTD here for a long time You've never reread.

Jason Atwood: This is a good, this is a good kick in the butt to go do it because it's like oh It's new and there's new stuff in it Yeah, that's it.

Justin Edelstein: You know what I like when you linked to it You linked to his page and not like the Amazon page to go buy it Yeah, I didn't do that. No, that was good. I like what you did there. You know, it should go, it shouldn't go unnoticed that if you were to go to blog.arcasync.com and click on a review of Getting Things Done by David Allen 2015, you would see your picture. Yeah, we now have,

Jason Atwood: So we were talking about this the other day. We had a few things we wanted to do. We talked about it. It was really... There's a way yeah, we talked about there's some new Google algorithms and basically if you don't have a

Justin Edelstein: Website so scrap it so we have some other things building. There's some things we're still working on There's some things you know, but your pictures there So if anyone's interested in not seeing the cartoon version of you, oh, yes, where's the cartoon version of me? on this pot as they're watching their screen or

Jason Atwood: Looking at the screen that they're listening to this on. Yes, well the best part is that I like about this new piece, this new functionality, is when you click on the picture you go to their author's page, which then you can see everything they wrote.

Justin Edelstein: Could we do something different with that? I mean I love where it brings you, I love the the function of it. Yeah. It's just it kind of doesn't look very sexy.

Jason Atwood: It's just a list. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Yep, nothing cooler. That's all you're getting. If you click, there's another one you can go on, filter your results. It's also good stuff.

Justin Edelstein: Nope, that's it. All right, let's talk about our acquisition. All right, so. We're gonna make waves. So last. We're gonna be on CNBC next.

Jason Atwood: Well, why are you telling them where we're going?

Justin Edelstein: Oh, sorry. I'm meeting with, what's his name? What's the big guy who yells a lot? Jim Cramer. Jim Cramer. it. So I'm gonna try my best to make it just a little bit more... Thank you. Where's my thing to smash? Here's the thing.

Jason Atwood: I've never watched an entire show of Jim Cramer and I'm happy. I've never done that.

Justin Edelstein: You've never seen the Benioff clips on Cramer though. Oh, I've seen clips. You've never seen clips of him just going nuts. A little bit. Throws things at camera.

Jason Atwood: He makes a lot of sound effects. The most clips I've ever seen of him was when right after the financial crash where people replaying all the clips where he was saying, don't worry, keep buying. And then those companies went out of business two months later. Those are the ones I was more.

Justin Edelstein: Was he making sounds though? Yeah, like,

Jason Atwood: Buy it, buy it and then, I don't know your money. I have opinions about the stock market. The stock market should not be for people making jokes of it. It's a place where you can. Yes, you can make tons of money. But people can lose a lot of, by being stupid and uneducated about it. And I feel like in the last 10 years, it's turned into, it's for everybody. Everybody jumps in. Yeah, you go in and trade stocks. I had my brother at one point who's in construction. He would come home at night. He'd play online poker. He does not listen to his podcast. It's okay. I love you buddy. He played online poker and then he would trade stocks and then he was talking about all this stuff and it just hit me. It's like if my brother who's a construction worker.

10:52 Jason Atwood: What are you trying to say? He has no education brokering and he was trading stocks. I've never done day trading. I worked at a financial trading house for 10 years but I never like day traded. I would buy a few stocks and then I just hold them. That's as much as I did. So when my brother was in construction and get home and then he'd play online poker and then go, you know, play around and buy some stocks here and there, I was like, this is this, this is no good. This is not where and then he'd play online poker and then go, you know, play around and buy some stocks here and there. This is not where people should be doing with their money. Anyway, moving on. What is that of anything? So CR, if you really want to hedge the market, go for CRM.

Jason Atwood: CRM. So the rumors have been surging. Surging. I think there's been no real, I've not heard anything real. It's all been just rumor, rumor, rumor, rumor, everything from Microsoft to Oracle to SAP, I guess. I mean, it's really been the one we talked about. The only thing that's real is that

Justin Edelstein: That Salesforce has hired Right that you think. Advisors to deal with an inquiry. deal with an inquiry. To deal with an inquiry, they have actually hired people to help them. Right. Figure that out.

Jason Atwood: And it kind of came out that, I mean, the one I'm seeing is Microsoft is the one is the name that's coming up.

Justin Edelstein: Are we going to make this a rumor thing? Like where you and I give our opinions on what we want to happen? Or are we going to make this like a news story thing?

Jason Atwood: But we're not a news organization. Yeah, let's give our what we want to happen. What do you want to happen?

Justin Edelstein: Let's let's- go let me make let me let me make this into a real thing so a real thing well more of a Like what do you want to happen? I want nothing to happen. Okay fine That's fair, but let's make this into more. It's definitely bought who would it be? Yeah, all right Like here's the scenario. Okay, it's happening It's happening. Yeah, watch my hand. It's happening., it just happened. Okay. Someone is buying them. Someone. Some person or some company, something is buying Salesforce. Let's go ahead and say it's another tech company.

Jason Atwood: Let's even narrow it. So a tech company. Does it rhyme with Barkis? Could be. Maybe. Maybe. Let me get my wallet out. here. Oops.

Justin Edelstein: Salesforce.com. The whole thing? We talked about this a little bit because we squeezed it into our last episode because it was just happening. And we said... Thank you. Couple guesses right Who would you want the buyer to be and Then give me another company of who you wouldn't want the company to be Because it's absolutely happening. You can't you can't hunt right? I can't button say don't make this relent By the way it we don't know that I don't we're playing the game right the point the game and our kiss isn't Do I have to stick to the top three? Or can I go outside? I kind of said a tech company. You can go with whoever you want in that sector. Unless you want to go crazy and say it makes sense for, I don't know, some other whatever to buy it.

14:06 Justin Edelstein: Not tech company, but I think I don't know if that makes sense.

Jason Atwood: I'm gonna if you want I can go first. I'm gonna punt a little on the question by saying that not allowed yes It is you didn't make the rules.

Justin Edelstein: I just did I made the rules that

Jason Atwood: What I want for Salesforce being bought by another company is a mixture of good synergy so meaning that there's something that each that Salesforce is getting out of the agreement and for a continuation of the culture and the things I like about Salesforce that not answering the question well you have to let me answer the question so that's sort of the continues like I wanted to so then thinking through the players right there are players who I think It would just be a complete s show. Is this an explicit podcast? just to get together. To me, S.A.P. and S.A.P. are two people that I think could just, I think just wouldn't work. Huge, big software companies that have been doing it their way forever you We're talking major players, Yahoo maybe, that are just, they're almost so powerfully cultural that there's nowhere for Salesforce to move and that they just, that, you know, we were talking about this yesterday.

Jason Atwood: Google could just possibly come in and... Well don't give away all my stuff. Well, I'm talking. Well the one that I could see sales force being. a bigger partner in and maybe helping the company go change their company and become more sales for you and become more sales for you. And it's only because of the connections. All the connections between Larry Ellison and the and Then I'm kind of like, oh, that's interesting.

17:39 Justin Edelstein: Because that because that would be interesting. But is it then Oracle World or is it Dream World or is it Oracle Force? I think you would. What is the conference?

Jason Atwood: I think you would recreate the name of them. You'd almost recreate them.

Justin Edelstein: You have to. So, all right. Can I answer my own question? Yeah, go ahead. I'll ask you a question. Oh, all right. Depends on the go for it. Alright, I basically gave you that answer yesterday. So you stole it from me. No, we had a conversation. You just stole my answer. I think Oracle is a good option of all the ones that we've been hearing about.

Jason Atwood: But only under the circumstances. If it's high, if buy, wait, if it's buy Salesforce, turn Salesforce into a product and Mark Benioff goes off.

Justin Edelstein: I just And there's certain proprietary things that Salesforce does to those Oracle databases that I'm sure would benefit a whole lot of people. Aside from Mark, there's also Keith Block who came over from Oracle and is pretty much one of the head honchos at Salesforce these days. And that would make sense too, since he was a big, big guy at Oracle as well. So maybe they can go back in. What does that sound?

Jason Atwood: Just looking at the comparison of what Oracle is to what Salesforce is. They must dwarf them. How many, so how many poise do you think Salesforce has? 14, 15,000. It's like 18,000, but okay. How many Oracle has? 200,000. 122,000. So, I think our dream, our thing of that happening is kind of like, yeah, that's not happening. 16,000 doesn't change 122. Let's look at Microsoft. There's got to be bigger. IBM, I remember, was at one point was up to some crazy number.

Justin Edelstein: E8 for Microsoft. Alright, so... my not. is a very, I feel, maybe an interesting take on, I don't want this company to purchase them and that's Google. I just don't feel like Google would leave well enough alone enough. If that makes sense. Google would try to change them way too much and go in some other direction. They'd be like, oh, you use this as your back end, change it now. Right. Oh, you use, you've been doing it this way. Well, we do it this way. And you must change that right now. and you're part of the Google And by the way, it's going to be just part of Google Apps or whatever, they just change it like way too much. Or some numbers,

20:58 Jason Atwood: Because I'm like a fan of numbers. I usually buying, buying is based on the market cap, right? So a big company can buy a small company. Right. So a CRM has a forty eight billion dollar market cap. Next up from that is IBM with 167 billion. Oracle's at 189. Microsoft's at 372. So someone who could, and these are all the cloud computing. I'm gonna go with technology now and just... Well, how about like Amazon? Didn't you mention now and last week? We're just well if we're doing if. We're going okay now if we're going top down from in the technology category apples.

Justin Edelstein: Hello 720 billion and then what cuz then you next half Microsoft 372 then Google at 361.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, then Facebook 219. Whoa. Then Alibaba at 199. Yeah, I didn't see that coming, did you? Then Oracle 189. Then IBM 167. Intel 150.

Justin Edelstein: Cisco 147. Taiwan semiconductor. Qualcomm, SAP, eBay, Hewitt-Packard.

Jason Atwood: And hands down That's not even on this list You have packets on the list where are our guests? Now if we're looking for private we're not even looking for private So if you're going to look at this list of technology companies that could be interested and have the size then I think you have to be looking for something sort of 100 and above 100 billion above to be in order to swallow a 50 billion dollar company unless you're doing a merger Which this doesn't like a merger so that means you're kind of starting at the low line of Qualcomm not interested Taiwan semiconductor not interested Cisco Not their thing Intel?

Justin Edelstein: No. IBM? Meh. You really list with like...

Jason Atwood: Fujitsu? Yeah.

Justin Edelstein: Some of these more like logistics type of companies. Why would you think that... Well, because UPS is in the in the problem-solving business.

Jason Atwood: Alright, anyway, I think it's fascinating.

Justin Edelstein: I mean, I don't know know. It's certainly good fodder for for a podcast.

Jason Atwood: It is. So... But yeah, so something like Google, maybe it'd be strange because, but you're basically just worried about the same thing I'm worried in the reverse, is that the culture of Google is so different.

Justin Edelstein: Googly. Googly.

Jason Atwood: And that's sometimes fun. But they don't do enterprise. Yeah, sometimes not. They don't. Just what I was tweeting today. Welcome to the new Google Drive. Take a tour. Yeah. No,

24:06 Justin Edelstein: You're you, you're Google. It's not even. It's good You've killed off features. I hate Google new Google Drive. I keep turning it off every time they turn Turn it on. You can't turn on for me. Yeah, I keep turning it off. I hate it. They're coming for you. It's slow I don't like it. And it lost features features that I use and

Jason Atwood: It's like well Here's what they also don't have release notes and here's what's coming and like

Justin Edelstein: We will change your interface from out from undo because we want yeah, I mean I'm sure they do at a larger scale have a sales force But I don't really think of them as having a sales team that could go out and sell. enterprise software to enterprises.

Jason Atwood: I just don't really think of it that way. Well that would be interesting because of the 17,000 Salesforce employees, a huge percentage of them is sales people. Right, sales and marketing people.

Justin Edelstein: And they happen to be pretty good at it. Well, yes, they're good at selling sales. And marketing. And marketing.

Jason Atwood: So you could look for a company that doesn't have good inter, relationships and enterprises. Right. that. to be in this space. But to me, Oracle and SAP. SAP aren't there.

Justin Edelstein: They have that. They totally have it. So does Microsoft. Right. Microsoft has better.

Jason Atwood: Salesforce people keep switching between Oracle and. That's Keith Block. He keeps bringing people around. But I've heard of people going to Salesforce. Salesforce and going back.

Justin Edelstein: So that's a culture shock thing right that's I get here and it's all lo-hah's and and and smiley faces chatter

Jason Atwood: Know the Oracle situation maybe patents I mean Oracle just seems kind of interesting because of that they already have a ton of synergy Well because of what

Justin Edelstein: What did to their technology right they have right they build on their makes a lot of sense It's like you took our database and turned it into this cloud.

Jason Atwood: I mean, I just can't see Amazon wanting to be anywhere in this market. Like, why would they want to be anywhere in this market? I don't know.

Justin Edelstein: Like, what's it good for them? I don't know. They used to sell books. Now, what do they do?

Jason Atwood: All sorts of stuff. Right. But they don't really sell. why I was enterprise software.

Justin Edelstein: They sell enterprise platforms. Don't really infrastructure enterprise infrastructure.

Jason Atwood: I think they sell it. I think they have it and then people use it. So give it away. When's the time you saw an ad for an Amazon service like in business weekly? I read. I don't read any of those things. You don't read.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, can we just get that on the table? I don't read things.

Jason Atwood: I'm cool with it. All right. I'm putting on the table but saying it's there. It's just sitting there.

Justin Edelstein: I read. I read Salesforce release notes. That's what I read. It's painful. Get it. We got a lot of pages a year. That's a lot of book a year, but I read them on the web almost exclusively.

Jason Atwood: So I don't read them on the web. Can't read them on the plane when you're on the web. But, you know, like Amazon doesn't, if you think about it, you don't see ads for,

27:12 Justin Edelstein: You know, when was the last ad you saw for Salesforce?

Jason Atwood: Well, I mean, other than online,

Justin Edelstein: Constant. You just said like ink magazine. So where are we going with this? Ink magazine. I see stuff for Salesforce in like airports, especially in San Francisco, but I feel like I see Amazon stuff too. For enterprise?

Jason Atwood: When's less if you saw a guy in a suit like who appears honestly?

Justin Edelstein: I feel like people really do buy that stuff. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a business.

Jason Atwood: I think they use it and they buy it But I don't I think it's you think they use it, but they don't buy it I don't think you need a sales team going around selling Amazon stuff because people just use it. They built their cloud infrastructure because they had overages.

Justin Edelstein: They built their entire cloud infrastructure. When their stuff goes down, like half the consumer apps in the world go down. That's sort of the beauty of Amazon is they're not selling their stuff. People are just buying it.

Jason Atwood: They're not actively selling it. They don't have to. It's so good and so flexible and so much apart. I think people just buy. Oh, where's your where's your stack on? Oh, it's on Amazon. Oh yeah. Because where else could it be? There's like two other places. So Heroku, it's on rock space.

Justin Edelstein: Heroku is just there on there. Anyway,

Jason Atwood: That's where that is. Anyway, so there you go. They're all in their stack, but no one. But you don't see people you can go, you don't see like a guy in a suit with his engineer come into an office and be like, I'm gonna tell you about the Amazon stack. No, people just use it because it's so amazing and powerful and cheap.

Justin Edelstein: And the reason they keep it cheap is because they don't sell it. Yeah, but if Amazon wanted to diversify and say I've got the infrastructure just as a service over here, and I've got my platform as a service over here. I have all that they just don't sell it. The platform stuff. Yeah. You should see apps? You should go look like I can go buy CRM from them?

Jason Atwood: No, you can go buy many CRMs and run it on their platform. All the open source stuff runs on their platform. Oh, well that's good stuff. Yeah.

Justin Edelstein: So I can go buy like open source CRM? -huh. Sounds good. So why are we not using it? Why are we using the Salesforce thing?

Jason Atwood: Because Salesforce is a much better. Oh, that's better. Oh, okay. I get it now now and now I get it Right got it. Oh cost of entry. Like why do you use? I don't use Allen over Actian I don't all right. I don't do that. Who does that? Why do you call this user because it's free Now we're talking. Now we're talking. All right. So, well, we'll ask. I mean, obviously it'll be a big question while we're out. I'm having.

Justin Edelstein: Well, while we're out talking about this whole thing with them, we're gonna ask them, why are you approaching us? Salesforce. Why do you get out of my backyard? We were approaching them. No, we got approached to buy them. To I buy them. Right. Not the other way. Bye. We thought it was the other way. They're like, hey guys, why don't you have some lunch?

Jason Atwood: The most amazing thing I could see happening is nothing because the only thing I could think of as a positive to any of this is that there is a feeling, but I don't know, it just couldn't go this way. There is a feeling that Salesforce is getting very big and it's losing some of that like small agile company thing because it's getting so huge. I just don't think 16,000 people joining a company of 120 is going to make them more agile, more like they, you know, more responsive to stuff. What could now, but, but if we went down the path, we said, well, what would be the benefits of each one of those? What would be the benefits of Microsoft?

30:46 Justin Edelstein: Access to their suite Better access to their suite right that stuff could and I guess and I guess with office We've been teaming teaming up even more as a joint as a joint enterprise sales team, but I think at that point Microsoft would have to start making some decisions around their own suite of products.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, they'd have they wouldn't buy Salesforce and then keep dynamics.

Justin Edelstein: I don't know I feel like IBM has two products for every problem glared does I feel like they do Yeah, remember when we were at the big company and you'd go to IBM and you'd be like looking for X and they'd be like well we have this and If you talk to them, they'll show you that. Right. And it's like, but what about those guys? It's like, oh, that thing? Yeah, yeah, that thing too, but this thing, this thing's awesome.

Jason Atwood: It was awesome. oh, so, but would you, if you want to, of course, on the, the exchange, cause we're in a social community. Michael Smith has posted. keep Salesforce.com independent and idea on the idea exchange. It's up to 1390 points.

Justin Edelstein: So you can go vote on that puppy. Who is this Michael Smith character? I don't know. It's a good looking him up. It's a good way to, you know,

Jason Atwood: He apparently does HTML, CSS, Java. so anyway, that if you want to go put voice your concern, voice it then. So that's it. So next time, we're skipping next week. Sorry kids. Next time we'll be back, we'll do summer 15 because because it will be not one, but two blog posts by that point.

Justin Edelstein: So watch next week for rapid release reactions. I don't even know if I'm going to include the rapid in there because it hasn't been so rapid. My timing was just off on this one.

Jason Atwood: Okay, I guess I'll do that. It's for that and for sales and then sales will be right out there So we'll have to stumble after that talk about cracks. We'll have a lot to talk about So we've had to read all the I've skimmed it and I've done like a go through to find the stuff I'm really interested in. Yeah now you read all that. Yep. All right. So let's make some kind folks at pics of the week All right.

Justin Edelstein: So my cloud focus pick of the week is kind of a... It's kind of like a bummer pick. Like, I was kind of excited. Most of your picks are bummer picks. I was super excited for this. So, you and I... I'll tell you why. Give me a second. So you and I use the two-factor authentication... using the Identity code the identity code thing for Salesforce.. What's it officially called? I don't know what the two factor two factor, but where it's where you have to put in the five digit code every time So we've actually picked some of these Yeah, the Code managers the Google authenticator off the off e and most recently which I'm still using and loving your one pass one password So I was like, you know what? With the release of the Apple watch Salesforce authenticator Actually works on the Apple watch and I kept sure to getting frustrated every time I log in Salesforce, I have to put that code in.

34:08 Justin Edelstein: And I was thinking like, oh, if this was just on my wrist, and I could just boop, boop, boop, pop it up, that would be better than having to reach into my pocket, get my phone or my phones in the other room, I got to go over there and go get it. Anyway, anyway, so I'm like, let me download Salesforce Authenticator. So, I can't say much about the app because the implementation of this from Salesforce is so awful.

Jason Atwood: Maybe when you didn't take the QR code and stick it in Evernote so you

Justin Edelstein: Already scanned it with Google Authenticator, I can't get back to it. You can't, it's just painful. It's super I have I have to go remove my like totally undo the whole thing. Your permission. And not the permission set. I think I have to just go to my user record and delete the fact that I've done it. I think that's how I would do it. The key. Yeah, I think I'm just going to actually double check that because I don't want to give anybody like bad. No, it is. There's a key that sits on your user record. Yeah. So if you go to your user record, which I'm doing right now, I'm just going to my user record. There is a field on there. Time based token. And there's a link that just says Remove right so if I removed it the next time I logged in it would ask me with the QR code I think that's a crappy implementation Especially since I'm already logged out.

Justin Edelstein: I'm logged out So I'm trying to log in to do to set it up But since I've already set it

Jason Atwood: Up with some other app, I can't but most of them do it that way

Justin Edelstein: Drop box, let's redo it whenever you want

Jason Atwood: You know now you have to go in you to turn it off and it's the same thing.

Justin Edelstein: It's actually the same phone When I got my phone My new phone, oh, you know who did it differently was GitHub does it differently only different one.

Jason Atwood: GitHub allows you to just redo it. The only difference is that the others, this is why I will agree with you that Salesforce doesn't do this well, is they don't give you backup codes. No backups. So your issue isn't really that, because you can get in. I can get in. And you want to switch to a new app. I just want to switch to a different app. the app. That's easy.

Justin Edelstein: When you log in, you click thing. And you log out. Well, if I wasn't a system admin, how would I do it?

Jason Atwood: Exxistim admin access, do it. What I'm saying. But wait,

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I'm not, I don't have to be a system admin on Google to do this. To reset your two-factor? Sure you do. I have to be a system administrator to reset that. Yep. Are you sure? Yeah, because I'm a system administrator. I know you are, but if you weren't, you wouldn't be able to reset it for yourself. If you were logged in... You wouldn't be able to reset that for yourself.

Jason Atwood: We at once you've logged in, you can go and you can go turn it off. the only problem is, well, I don't know about Salesforce anymore because, or Google anymore, because Google used to be, you used to not be able to force people to. So they could turn it on or off, but now you can force them to use it. So I'm a sure you can turn it off. The reason that Google and Evernote and Dropbox have backup codes is because you don't have admins. They don't want you to call them up. So they have backup codes, which then you could log in, turn it off, get the new QR code, and then use it again. Anyway,

37:31 Justin Edelstein: The implementation of this needs a little work. Don't know, because I didn't go through that whole mishegos.

Jason Atwood: So you're a Bruce Lee? So this is my anti-pick. You're picking an app that you can't use because you won't click a button. I can use it, but I won't do it. Because you won't click a button. That's right. I. I refuse. I don't know. I don't know.

Justin Edelstein: Features yet. There are pictures like Salesforce,,?

Jason Atwood: It's very simple I. It is free on the app exchange. We'll be back the I week after our purchasing of Salesforce.,, a to the I,

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