Guilty Pleasure TV - Episode #206 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 206th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the second week of February 2015. This episode is titled Guilty Pleasure TV. GodFulks Weekly is brought to you by Arkus, specializing in Salesforce implementations, consulting, and force.com development. Justin. Crap show at all stage.

Justin Edelstein: I'm so good at this. I can't wait. I feel like my shows aren't even like happy enough. That's a problem Well, that's not the point. I can bring in crappier shows.

Jason Atwood: So I don't know so we said last week So if you haven't listened if you listen to 205 go back and listen, we're gonna do a special episode. Do it now and All right. We'll wait Okay, you're back. I think. And a special episode and we're going to go over our top five guilty pleasure TV shows. And we're going to talk about that in a second. But first, we're going to go over the blog of the week, blog post of the week, which from a It came from a question, wasn't tweeted at us, it was actually asked via email. Basically saying he, you guys have this great blog and you guys put up all this blog content, how do you guys do it? And I started to answer it in email, and then I was like, what?

Jason Atwood: This actually could be a kind of interesting behind the scenes look in how we actually publish our blog and how we do it.

Justin Edelstein: I don't think it's really competitive

Jason Atwood: But anyway, so if you actually if you want to learn how to blog or learn how we blog or our company blogs It's a good read because it actually tells you what you need to know And tells you the tools we use. Yeah, so there you go. Right? All right Justice like I could care less about this whole blog thing Let's get to what I want to talk about which is guilty pleasure TV. Yeah, all right I Basically, this is everything my wife watches. She's like, whatever, I watch really terrible TV and I love it. She's like, I love it. Like vampire diaries, I love it. She's like, she loves vampire diaries. I can't believe you tell people you watch that crap.

04:18 Justin Edelstein: But she does. I think I did a crack. I categorize these things. I I actually don't watch that. Like, I won't watch, like, You watch all those shows? I don't. Well, no, I won't watch, like, a bad, Oh. Power-long drama. Like, CSI Miami. I don't watch that. Okay. And I won't. Okay. But that's fine. So a lot of these are like reality shows. That's kinda how I thought of this.

Jason Atwood: So I took the task just to let you know, because I started just listing them, and I was like, I had too many. Then I'm like, you know what I'm gonna do? picked one from each category. because there are some genres that I watch that I could just pick all five of the genre, because they're all the same show. but I throw all the guilty pleasure shows. So I tried to not like have five of them be the same. And if any of, if any of us have a matchup one, then we get to swap it another. Perfect. And then you can have one extra credit. Oh, sweet.

Justin Edelstein: My extra credit's gonna be the guiltiest of the guilty. Mine's pretty good. All right, let's go. I got two extra credits. They're the same thing, but they're... Why don't we start? All right. Who's going for your you always go. All right. I'll go first. So this is your my least guilty, guilty pleasure show is Top Chef.

Jason Atwood: OK, love Top Chef. So you have to tell about where it is, what network.

Justin Edelstein: Oh, so it's on Bravo, I think. OK, good job. Not knowing Bravo. Had to think about that, didn't you? Really did. Yep, because it's on the TiVo just records. I by the way, I watch none of these live. Well, then you could tell where you watch it. So I watch it at home on the TV or it's no. I record this, watch it on the TiVo. So Top Chef is a competition where they have. They have a lot of them now, like maybe 16 or so at the start. Chefs who compete. to against each other and and eventually there's a winner like the last chef standing there's been like 12 seasons of it now right and it's still going pretty strong the season finale was just this week so the the top chef was awarded just this week there's been offshoots of this where there's been like Top Chef All Stars, Top Chef Duels, there's been some offshoots of Top Chef.

Justin Edelstein: I've got a question.

Jason Atwood: Of the shows in your list, how many are cooking shows?

07:19 Justin Edelstein: I only included this one, because you know I am guilty. Yeah, you could've picked all of them. I'm very guilty in this area. I do really enjoy the cooking shows. I watch them with your daughter, actually, a couple. Yes, you do. And I watch you watching it with my daughter. Yeah, that's scary so yeah top chef and the silly fact Last week or two weeks ago. I went to see a show here in New York. I went to see Hedwig and the angry inch and the host of Top Chef is Padma Lakshmi Yes, who is a model? Yes, who is? Unbelievably good-looking in person. Yes, like a model Like whoa, that's just watching Justin try to not Get this podcast Over a clean. She is a model like like I was like so bottle I was like, oh man.

Justin Edelstein: Did you see how long she wasn't human? It was like why I've seen pictures Forget pictures like being oh, so when you see them live, yeah, I was like, oh my lord I mean my wife and I were like staring at her. Okay Anyway, cuz you live that lifestyle. Yeah, that's our. I Good show good show all. These shows are good very watchable.

Jason Atwood: All my shows are Ranges of good, but this is my best of the worst shows. This is the show that I'm guilty about What is it?

Justin Edelstein: Let's hear it. But you love this show, it's sure I do. Gold Rush. That's on my list. Oh Are you sure? Absolutely. Okay, it's on discovery. They're all the same to me. Discovery channel. I'm gonna flip out a discovery channel for a discovery channel. You do that.

Jason Atwood: So and, and it's about, it started about a family going, basically the first premise was a family going to the Klondike to... to start gold mining and they didn't know what they're doing and like And over the years, and I would say this is a show you could go back and watch the first season of and enjoy it right now. And then you could watch every season, you could watch every season and enjoy every season. They are, they do build on each other. There is, there is. It is a reality show, but it's also like, there is character building. There is total character building. In fact, one of the people you meet in the first season, like you see a glimpse of this guy, and then he, by the fourth season, becomes a massive character, which is funny because it's a reality show.

Jason Atwood: It's not like they planned it that way, but it just happened. There's my favorite part of the show. Actually, this is so this is a wife favorite too. Actually, I think she likes all these shows. Yes, she does is and this the ingenuity and the and just like the process for getting the ground and all, all this sort of stuff is fun. but the part of the show that's like the most fun is when one of these massive, expensive machines, these multi-hundred thousand dollar machines has to go help another multi-hundred thousand dollar machine out and they just use their claw and just pull it out of the mud. It's just the most amazing thing to watch. Go get the 410. Yeah. This machine pulls this machine out of the mud. Anyway, it is...

10:48 Jason Atwood: It is not a, it doesn't help the brain grow in any way. But it is, you do work a lot of less. On a lot of gold and dirt and stuff. And then if you really wanna go super guilty, you can watch the show called The Dirt, which is kind of the pre-show to this show, which is an interview show. So like if you're like just jonesing and if you buy it on iTunes, which I do actually for some reason It's the only show I buy an item. Oh, why you do that? Oh, no, just set the TV. I just do that, it comes with that. It comes with the dirt. So that's my number one. Or number five. I like we're going to reverse order.

Justin Edelstein: My next one is Shark Tank. Wow.

Jason Atwood: Shark Tank Nation. Shark Tank Nation? Is that more than the Shark Tank? Oh no.

Justin Edelstein: I'm part of the Shark Tank Nation. Oh. Because I enjoy Shark Tank. So what's it on? So Shark Tank is on... Well, it originally airs on ABC. But it, CNBC has bought the syndication rights. So it's basically on like every And it's so funny and I were in we love it we watch it together we don't want to go Gold rush together, but we do watch shark tank together and top chef together, but we we were in the Bahamas yes, and We're flipping through like channels or something and all of a sudden we see Kevin O'Leary who's one of the sharks So the sharks are like, why'd you explain what the show is? Well, I'm getting there. He's like, he's well, we're watching it and we're like, well, what's he doing there? And it's the Canadian version called the Dragon's Den.

Justin Edelstein: Oh, really? What is that? Like the Canadian version of Shop. Yeah, it's weird. So the shark tank is there's five sharks. They're all. extremely successful, business people. the entrepreneurs walk into the shark tank and pitch. They just pitch their business. How long do they have? On TV or in real life? Real life. I think it's as long as they need. If the sharks are really interested, they just, it's a real pitch. It's a real pitch. So if a they're interested, you could be there for a half hour, an hour, two hours over long. And they're looking for. I am the owner of Justin's hat maker. I'm looking for $200,000 for 20% equity in my business. Here's what my business is and I just do a presentation as they would to any venture capitalist.

13:58 Justin Edelstein: The sharks start asking interesting questions and as a business owner and entrepreneur, it's very interesting to watch someone try to pick, pick apart the valuation that they give their company, to ask them about their sales, ask them about like where they sell things. Like if they're like selling a product, are they doing it online? Are they in retail? like what retail stores you have, blah, blah, blah. And eventually they get into like a. I'm out, I don't like your idea. One at a time or whatever whatever. Sometimes one person likes it and they offer them a deal and they negotiate back and forth. And sometimes where it gets really fun is when more than one of them like the idea. Okay. And they more than one invest the same time. All five can invest at the same time and it's happened.

Justin Edelstein: So all of them like, I'll, we're all teaming in from 5%. We're all teaming, we're all teaming up. You get us all because it's such a great idea. And that happens very rarely, but it will happen more. A lot of times where two of them will team up and say, we'll give you this. And you get two sharks. some of them structure their deals really interest interestingly, where it's like, less equity but I want a royalty or whatever. So it's very interesting to see how they, and the companies when you learn about them, and then you see the product, you're like, oh, I know that from Shark Tank or whatever. It's kind of a really good concept because it's a very popular show, I think it's very popular, and the products get, Like, this big bump from being on the show, so as a shark, you're kind of investing in this thing that's got all this free publicity going on because they're on the show in the first place.

Justin Edelstein: Oh. If you wanna think about it that way from an investor's standpoint. Or you laughed at it because you didn't do it. Correct.

Jason Atwood: All right, that's cool. This is going slow, I feel. Yeah, it's going, we gotta speed it up. We're 15 minutes in, wait, four picks. So my next one. But I think, ooh, I think it happens. It is Falling Skies on, I the it's TNT, pretty sure. And it is a sci-fi. It's about, it's about, it's basically like every invasion movie you've ever seen. but it's a series so instead of just you know it starts and ends it's a series that goes on free for multiple seasons, I think it's on its fourth or fifth season right now, and starring Noah Wiley, who everybody knows from was VR. So it's got like some actual people in it who are real actors. It feels like it's being limited by being on TNT budget.

17:09 Justin Edelstein: Like, I guess this show would be... Like the Rizzoli and Iles budget?

Jason Atwood: Yeah, not like the HBO Like intro whatever there's a lot of theories and you know again the way that they the aliens have taken over the earth And there's multiple aliens, and there's different. I mean it's a lot's a lot going It's fun. It's totally guilty. Sounds silly. silly, but it's guilty TV. It's not fringe. It's not. sci-fi, the really nice sci-fi aliens attacking the earth. Yeah, kill. The earth. Yeah, so anyway, Following Skies TNT seasons four through four and five, I think right now, certainly something you could pick up and start watching at the beginning if you wanted to and binge watch it. It would it would be really I, only binge watch I don't watch anything live but it would be a really good like three or four day binge watch because I think it'd be even more fascinating.

Jason Atwood: Lots of cliffhangers.

Justin Edelstein: Alright, here's a show I know you watch. You turned me on to this. Naked and Afraid. How did this not make my list? I don't know. I'm so glad it didn't, but now you can think about it. So Naked and Afraid, which is such a laughter as a title. Like I didn't watch it because of what it was called. Me neither. But then when you start watching, you're like, you guys should have called this something better. Yeah. So Naked and Afraid, I think is also on... Discovery... is it on Discovery or Nat Geo? Oh, one of- I feel like it's on Discovery Network. Anyway, we'll go with that for now. So, naked and afraid, the concept is you take one man and one woman, drop them in in a treacherous, dangerous situation, like Rainforest.

Justin Edelstein: Some deserted island in the middle of nowhere You have no clothing, no shoes, no underpants, no shirt, no- Wait, so you're naked? Literally naked. Okay, yeah. And you're afraid because you're in the middle of really literally nowhere with nothing except the one item that. That they let you bring. One person, and I don't know if they get to coordinate this before, I imagine they do because I've never seen the situation where they come with the same thing. Usually the smart ones bring someone brings some sort of knife or machete or sharp thing and the other person brings something to make fire with. Unless they have some sort of fire skills which never seems to work out. Unless they're an idiot then they bring goggles. People bring goggles. So then they've seen people bring like some dumb stuff.

20:14 Justin Edelstein: Oh, yeah goggles was the word goggles was pretty up there in terms of a Dumpness so they the whole goal is to survive for 21 days Days, we were kind of giving away the plot point which is that these are survivalists. Well, oh, yeah, they're there are survivalists They're not you and I Sharon. Yeah, we're not getting dropped in the middle of nowhere and they don't know each other before they start this.

Jason Atwood: No, they don't. and they were given a rating at the beginning. Correct. Their survival rating. Their PSR. Their PS. Their whatever.

Justin Edelstein: Personal survivor rating. We love that. And at the end they re-evaluate. They re-evaluate this on how they did. It is guilty. It's pretty guilty. And it's kind of formulaic. Very.

Jason Atwood: Like. but at the same time still entertaining. So it's funny because that's another show that Sarah and I started watching Then we bought season two and then forgot about it. So it has that kind of like, if you watch too many of them, it just starts to turn into the same thing. There is two episodes that I say, you It's the most brutal thing I've ever seen in my life. You gotta watch that one first. That's like the one I think that stands out in mine.

Justin Edelstein: The second one. Oh, the one that stands out in my mind is the Amazon one. It's the second season one where the two people tap out where three people tap out.

Jason Atwood: Or when they bring in the all stars. So that's the second one. Second season, I think episode one or two. Yeah, there was one really brutal one and I guess the last part of this is.

Justin Edelstein: If you think about 21 days, nothing naked. You could be in scorching desert, like a desert, or like no protection from the sun at all. No food stores, no water. You've got to figure out how to get water into your body, how to eat something. And usually... When that 21st day comes, no one's just picking you up. You- You have to get something. You have to like, take a six mile hike. Right. Or like, build a raft. And go through shark infested waters. It's like not even a joke. It's not a joke. No.

Jason Atwood: It's not a joke, Justin. It's rough out there. Naked and Afraid. Very good. Naked and Afraid. It's a good show. All right. My number three. A show that you watch. Probably don't even think it's guilty. Maybe it's going to be on your list. But I'm not a big sitcom guy, and I've kind of given up on sitcoms a little bit. But this one, I got hooked because it's actually on Hulu. They made a big play of it being on Hulu, and I started watching on Hulu, and I just started pounding through it, and I kind of really enjoy it. It's the Broken Nine-Nine. That's not guilty at all.

Justin Edelstein: That shouldn't even be on this list. It's not a really good show. Yes, it is. It's a stupid comedy. It's a very funny show. It's a stupid comedy. All right, we're gonna argue about that. That doesn't belong on this list. That's like a good show make your top ten list of all shows That's not the point of this It doesn't not every show that needs to make the top ten for it to not be on the guilty pleasure list Yeah, it's like to me that the I guess the definition of guilty pleasure is like You know is a little fuzzy here cuz that's like a real show. It's a good show It's a stupid system on a Golden Globe award for best comedy like that's a Good Joe. Did not know that, did not care.

23:34 Justin Edelstein: Okay. Recognized as a Good Joe. Not a guilty pleasure show.

Jason Atwood: The Lego movie was snubbed in the Oscars. I don't know. So true. So, so true. So like, who cares what they're given? Again, maybe, maybe it's Fringe on, but I don't. I don't consider like 30 minutes. Alright, what channels are down? It's on, well, I watch on Hulu. It's on Fox, Sunday night. I don't watch it, but it's on Hulu, Season 1 and 2. I suggest, I mean, it's fun, but it's a stupid sitcom. I mean, you know, it's a sitcom. And in like two years, here's the deal. You go back and watch, well, I don't know, you go back and watch old episodes of like very good sitcoms. They are still good. This won't hold that. This, in two, three years, when you go back and look at these episodes, you'll be like, boy, that was very in the moment of the now.

Jason Atwood: It's got characters, it's got fun, it's whatever, it's guilty.

Justin Edelstein: Whatever you say. Yes. Alright, so what's your number? I'm going to fit my definition. Well, because you have terrible taste in TV.

Jason Atwood: Do you want to tell them about the other Naked show you watch? That's my number one. Oh, okay. Just wait, I will. Oh, that's terrible. At least that is truly... I was surprised this one made it then the other one. Alright, go ahead. What's your... Four. Ink Master.

Justin Edelstein: Okay. Do you know Ink Master? I assume it's some sort of reality, reality show about two artists. Ink Master, I think, is on Spike. Yeah, I don't really know what channels things are on because I just watch them on Tivo Google it so Ink masters hosted by Dave Navarro and it is a It is a tattoo competition show and Recently they've there's actually another one called best ink And I put Ink Master on this list as opposed to best ink because Ink Master has gotten really trashy Because they started in including like Rivalry into it. So they manufacture arguments and fighting It just gets kind of stupid. At least we're getting into true or at least we're getting into true this is true crap right now so like they introduce like arguments and fake have to have skills in the variety of different, you know, methods of tattooing, so like black and gray and traditional and whatever.

Justin Edelstein: I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert on this stuff, but entertaining, one of these.

27:11 Jason Atwood: That when we do this, like even gold, rushes right. It's a good show. So maybe next Deke five, like you can't be any that's above five.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, cuz like Shark Tank's a seven point three.

Jason Atwood: Alright, so my next one is a by Anyway,

Justin Edelstein: Notice how you're Brooklyn 99.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, it was. That's right. flipping around the channels and I land on this one, I almost always have a watch it. It's one of my favorite fixer-upper shows. It is a little and They go

Justin Edelstein: So this show to go to this like Island Resort. and they're going, this boundary out of the way. I guess that's a boundary to have your clothes on. So they show up and in the intro, they're like I, are you ready to meet your dates for the first day? and Get naked so they like get naked and they go out there Yeah, and then they go off and they have a date right they like a planned date like they go to the beach And they do something right? That night they hang out. There's like that's the whole thing of the show is that there's right like a clubhouse So there's like a pool house and a bar like an unlimited bar Naked unlimited bar pool scene hotel room like models No, okay, they're not they don't take unatt and attractive people.

31:27 Justin Edelstein: Yeah, so Date they hang out day in that hole right next day Two new people are introduced into the mix a new woman to date the guy and a new the woman okay, and So now, now Yes, and they date each other in like like one after the other after the other night night one night two night three So night one there's two people night through night two There's four people and night three there's six people and it's just I mean they're competing like naked naked and Drinking they know the whole goal is like the original guy like has to pick one of the three women Right and the original woman has to pick One of the three guys right and it's like oh, I really feel a connection with so-and-so but So and so and I already hooked up, oh That's on night two we are Yeah, it's so bad.

Justin Edelstein: It's so good That is truly truly truly Please try I'm fine dating naked and watch like one episode and if you like the one episode they're all the same so you can enjoy them all. They're formulaic.

Jason Atwood: Alright so mine is, this is, this is old school going way way back. 26 seasons of this show. Is it Doctor Who? So this is the show that my wife and I will drop almost every other show. This is the only show we watch week to week because it doesn't really matter. It's so terrible. Like you don't really need to watch this at all. It's a reality show and it's a reality show based off another couple of reality shows. So it's like it's terrible times two. It's terrible squared. Yeah It's the real world, world world challenge... They take contestants from these who have kind of become a little bit like celebrities because they're known for their being on these two shows and they put them in this competition where they then basically battle it out and kick people out go down to a Final four depends if they're doing couples or singles or whatever They'll pick them up with their exes.

34:41 Jason Atwood: They'll put them with the person they hate the most. They'll do all this sort of stuff. They live in one big house at night, so they play these games against each other during the day where they're trying to kick each other out. And then at night, they're all in the same house, packed in there with alcohol and whatever, and mostly naked, so it's the same show. And they've all dated, and they've all known each other forever, and some of them have lived together. It is a total bleep show. So. It is so entertaining.

Justin Edelstein: So you know how I enjoy Bill Simmons, the sports guy? So he has his podcast, The BS Report, and he has like his reality TV expert, Dave Jacobi. Yeah. And they call the Real World Road Rules Challenge. America's fifth professional team sport or like America's fifth sport or whatever professional sport And they're like they're like the real world is like the feeder system like college

Jason Atwood: To the challenge which is the professional sport time So do like four years ago they did a rookies or fresh meat Where they brought in a whole new set of people that had nothing to do with it Just these people off the street fresh meat and then they brought him in and then like The thing about it that's interesting is yes, there's the challenges. Yes. There's the whatever. Yes is the host That's always there TJ Lang and wherever is a skater The thing that's fun is that these characters unlike most reality like game shows like you're naked and afraid If naked afraid was the people coming back over and over again, so you got to know Them as they did these challenges. So It's you you get to know the characters not only on air but then you know about them off air and what they do and then over Years, so maybe you saw their season, but then they were on last time and they had that big fight So it's like there is actual character development, which is terrible To say but there is actual character, but so then when when they show the cast Sarah and I get all nuts, like, oh, she's back, and oh, look at he, or bananas is back, and like, First one popped in my head.

Jason Atwood: It's like that's the most guilty show that I, you know, I try not to tell anybody. America's fifth professional sport. I'm gonna pick one that is a double. I'm picking two YouTube channels. I'm telling you right now, do not go watch these unless you have the time in your life to do this. This is a time suck and if you start, you won't stop. So be warned. One is called, the YouTube is called Screen Junkies and they do a series called Honest Trailers. I think I've, I've talked about this before. I've watched them. They are absolutely hysterical. They're like three to four minutes and they do like a trailer for the movie that's out, but they do it like honestly and there's a voiceover and they make fun of the movie while they do it.

38:13 Jason Atwood: Absolutely hysterical you just get caught because you watch one you watch another we watch another way just keep going Just it's like it's insane. They do TV shows sometimes the second one, which is Even better is called cinema sins They do a series called everything wrong with the name of the show movie Whatever in 10 minutes or less or 15 minutes or less. I've seen those two. They are Hysterical I watched the one for showgirls this morning Like in, I was researching. Were you preparing? I was preparing. Well, it was a showgirl. It was 21 minutes long. That's how wrong it had. It was how many things they had wrong with it. They had like 209 things wrong. That's kind of funny. And the guy does this overlay as he talks about it. And you can read it because he really talks fast and they do little clips of the movie.

Jason Atwood: It is hysterical. And they do a sin counter. They count how many sins there are in the movie. Those are my two. Those are complete. Whatever getting lost in YouTube, but those two those two I I love and adore it's green junkies and cinema sins Go check them out. All right That's it. Yeah. All right. Well, you want another I mean, no, I could throw another really bad one out there No, no, no, no. All right, give me give me No, we'll leave them up. Could you leave them for another? I will say the one show that you and I found that we were show brothers on that we didn't even know Yeah, was our love of tiny house nation tiny house nation with tiny house hunters hunters. Yeah, we love tiny houses There's another one called tiny house builders.

Jason Atwood: Have you watched that one? I don't think so. Oh I have a tiny house. Yeah, the tiny house. I mean those buildings those are they're good. They're actually not I mean, they're just a building show but they built I like the house hunter

Justin Edelstein: The house hunter things like where they like they've expanded like So it used to be like international house hunters and house hunters and now there's like the beach house hunters, right? Tiny house hunters. I enjoy those shows. Yeah, those shows are three options. And it's like oh, yeah I the the house owner is national beat.

Jason Atwood: There's the it's not yeah, there's a beach getaway living international There's like the living in the middle of no, yeah There's something about watching people and it's gotta be a voyeuristic thing. But like this, and it's an escapism to watch other people look at real-estate. There's something about it that's just unbelievable. So anyway, that's it. No pick for this week. We will save our picks for next week. b We'll have tons of picks. Follow at justettlestein, Facebook.com slash Arcasite So that will get you. So if you missed your sales force content, it'll come in. And until then, as always, enjoy those coffee I'll see you next time.