Holiday Ready Predictions - Episode #236 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:17 Jason Atwood: This is the 236th episode of CloudF, I in I Justin Edelstein Justin how are you staring in space?

Justin Edelstein: Yes, you are staring it up at our I was looking at our our trophy trophy trophy bin bookshelf thing Yes, great stuff on there Okay, thanks for sharing I mean there's the hula I and I I, the for it.

Jason Atwood: Work.com told me I had to do 35, but then you told me that work.com and I worked on com wins. Well, you're worked out also synced up. With Google Docs.com,

Justin Edelstein: Which then.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com, to I Force people say new customer. I'm gonna say both New customers maybe shit me You People already paid for it. I don't know I get this feeling that sales force does this thing where once you start paying for something you can't stop like Probably people still paying for like mobile No, there's no one paying for mobile.

Jason Atwood: They're probably on. They're probably on- Content. content yes, they're playing for the presentation builder the the. a the Well our last podcast I decided I know how I know why that happens because I'm staring at and the agenda says blog post and I'm saying blog post to talk about. have, 10 reasons, top 10 reasons, of the in 375 reasons, to be grateful for Salesforce in 2015.

Justin Edelstein: Is that where we're starting? We're starting with that one. Yeah, because that one's before the first one.

Jason Atwood: Then, there's, is your Salesforce Okay, then we're gonna talk about The Amazon drone video which hopefully you've watched by now I have and then I'm darn cool It's cool. I'll talk about that and then we'll finish I'm scared of that and with the cloud computing predictions for 2016 and we'll make fun of all the crazy things I said they're gonna happen. So let's start off go back to 15s.

03:39 Justin Edelstein: We have to go to that Well, I kind of reference it in my blog code.

Jason Atwood: So let's talk about Let's pick two at blog.arkusinc.com of the top 10 reasons to be grateful for Salesforce in 2015. This is the fluffiest of fluff blog posts ever written. Since that guy doesn't listen to this podcast, I'm just going to say,

Justin Edelstein: By the way, by the person who makes me laugh and hurts. Oh good. It's going to be a good one. My whole gun is like. Thank you. Out of whack so like you can't pull up like that. Are you on drugs? No. hurts just to go to sleep and stuff it's like may as well might as well I'll take some drugs. So let's let's open up this the blog post that writes itself and You're really gonna make me go get you see me like pulling on rolling at his face every time I make him laugh it hurts him which makes me laugh which makes him laugh again. It's just awesome I'm trying to figure out if I should pick like good ones or if I should pick like these really stupid ones. Are you saying there's stupid ones in the top 10 reasons to be grateful?

Justin Edelstein: I'm trying to say like some of these like the top 10 reasons to be grateful for sales scores. I'm gonna name one that he left off. Dropping the dog, going lightning experience because I'm just grateful that. Salesforce is moving into a new era. Now, it's not quite, I don't think, here yet, but it's officially here and in the next two or three years it'll be a lot of fun to move forward into the Lightning Experience. So I'm going to pick and I'm thankful that Salesforce decided to go with this new route. It's just going to be a bumpy ride. My number one.

Jason Atwood: Primarily, my number one is no sale. Because if Microsoft had bought Salesforce, we'd all be sitting around here on the Microsoft Weekly talking about...

Justin Edelstein: Maybe sitting there with our windows, tablets. That'd be so cool. No, we would not. I'm going to pick... What I think is probably like the best thing and I don't know if this really started in 2015 I feel like it might have started in 14, but it's really taken off Well, what have you write in this blog post? You gotta really research these things and spend my time I didn't write this I know that's what I'm making fun of the So I I'm gonna go with trailhead because I think it's really just taken off like a like a Lightning bolt Ulta lightning and just been that just act Oh Go to for how to learn new things and they're setting a really nice standard for how to even roll out new features and new topics and just ways of learning that are really integrated into the system that in some ways make you actually go do things in the system, not just read or watch videos, which to me is very effective.

06:57 Justin Edelstein: So trailhead to me is a good one that was a great idea by Salesforce. I love trailhead.

Jason Atwood: I love the ones that are the ones you go when you do something in the dev Oregon it goes and checks it.

Justin Edelstein: I find the ones that are more the

Jason Atwood: Puffy fluffy ones the If you have top answer three questions all the above They're not as exciting to me, but I you K why you have to have a mix of them You've made the prediction will talk about. Predictions later that they're gonna move certifications in the trailhead They have a long way to go in my opinion to make trailhead much more serious and and hard to do again It's it's it's an open book. You see them a PC all the, the question the answers above It's only three. But I love the concept of in the certification side of things, go in and build this junction object and then have me check it as part of the certification. That to me is awesome. The sort of stuff. I will say I'm going to go as part of my time off.

Jason Atwood: Like I really like going through and learning new stuff, but I find that I'm very busy So I can't like spend the time do it. So Next week, when I have a little time off, I might go hit some more, hit some trails. I got a whole new set out recently with lots of new subject matter. So, really cool stuff as you wander around the studio picking up random things and putting them down. I'm picking up garbage. I pick things up, I pick things down. I know why that's there in the corner.

Justin Edelstein: Think of a guest here. I know and then the guest was really great. She just left that there. The guest would do that That's awesome. That's what guests at that age do. They just leave stuff around in corners 94 year old guests. Yes, just leaving diapers in the corner minus 84 years All right, so that's cool.

Jason Atwood: So go to blog.arcasinc.com and read the other eight reasons to be excited We each chose like half the top 10 reason to be grateful for Salesforce in 2015 15. Right. It is hard hitting news. All right. Let's move to the next one.

Justin Edelstein: Okay. The next one is, is your Salesforce organization holiday ready? Holiday ready. Really timely. Yes. And is packed full of good stuff that I suggest you head over to blog.arcasinc.com to go read even though by the time you're hearing this hopefully you've already read it. I If it floats on Twitter.

10:07 Jason Atwood: If it floats.com, yes. Or dot Twitter. Twitter dot.

Justin Edelstein: So this is all about just kind of ready for people not necessarily being there. So it talks a lot about a lot about support stuff. With business hours and support holidays and making sure you email templates or communicating appropriately what might occur during these business hours that aren't quite business hours if your business is closing. Moving things away as a best practice you probably should do this anyway from assigning things directly to people to assigning things to cues things of that nature just sort of an overall health check to make sure that while your staff might be cut into a very small percentage, you can still operate and look like you're operating at large scale. Yep.

Jason Atwood: Yes, some good hints in here. Actually, I would just I'm not gonna say because they're all it's actually just really good reading. Good stuff. So go to blog, dark think calm and read on is your Salesforce organization, how they ready? The answer is always yes. Should be holiday ready. Okay, we got some other news here, something I saw weeks ago, and I, I think, we put the podcast to talk about. I got put on hold. I got put on hold. So, I think about six, nine months ago, maybe even longer, Amazon came out with... Same sort of thing, a video sort of just showing high levels how they would deliver things via a drone. And they, you know, and everybody kind of freaked out. It's like, oh my goodness, the drones and, and, and drone culture and drone stuff is now blown up crazily.

Justin Edelstein: But this is like the newest shark tank. And you mentioned the word drone you will get a deal you will get a deal you just say drone drone And they're like million dollars now here. Just a wire whole company seven percent

Jason Atwood: Real royalty rate so this was just cool because it was a video and says Jeremy carks in of the Top car top gear top gear fame although not longer a top gear a big fight over there about that But that doesn't matter And it's a video showing how they would kind of do it with a scenario and the scenario they did and it's called Amazon Prime Air It's a little brat on some sneakers. It's so her sneakers She's going to a soccer match and one of her sneakers gets eaten by the dog and they need to get a new pair of sneakers pronto and so It's a video of how she would order on Amazon and it would, you know, this drone now in color, it's a color drone, it's like an Amazon colors, kind of funny.

Jason Atwood: Totally branded drone. And they show it going up, go through the sky, coming,

Justin Edelstein: Landing on the wall. No, no, no, no, no, no. It starts before that. It shows it like in the warehouse, getting the box of exactly what was ordered, placed inside of the drone. And then it sort of just takes off from inside, goes straight-up in the air, knows of its surroundings as to not bump into anything Right, well it's up in the air But yeah Well, like, it showed the example of a hot air balloon coming by and not pumping into it. And then you put like a little landing pad out. Like in your front lawn or yeah, and it just lands on it and drop it back It just leaves the package there and boom off it goes. I mean it is home base.

13:37 Jason Atwood: It is both extremely cool and like Mind-blowingly like if you showed someone from 1950 like this technology now It doesn't really exist, but I'm sure in concept it does exist, but I'm sure there's a lot to go But it is so cool, especially in the year that we talk about that, you know, it's it's a back to the future year and all the things that were predicted didn't come true. Nowhere did anybody see small, you know, self guided robots flying robots, delivering pairs of shoes. So it's really, really cool.

Justin Edelstein: You know, reminding me of what remind you of. It's 2015 isn't it? It's almost 16. So I think it was like 2006 ish ish you and I went to Microsoft as a The company they work for the big company that we worked for to get a demonstration of their new mobile capabilities Mmm, don't remember this at all. Yeah And this guy's sitting there and he's like the real like strategy guy, right? And he's like pulling out a phone that's like a European phone It's not even like in America. It was like Ericsson or something Yeah, it was I think it was like a Nokia, but whatever it was like a smartphone And this was pre iPhone It was like the era of the Blackberry and the trio and he pulls out this Nokia. And he's like, listen, you're going to stop paying for things with money.

Justin Edelstein: You're going to start paying for things with these. You're going to walk into a Starbucks and you're going to pay for it. stuff with this. And we're laughing at them and like, we're kind of like, oh, okay. Like, thanks future guy. And like walked out and we're like, yeah, like that'd be kind of cool, but don't really. And then I walked into the shop this afternoon and paid for my lunch on my phone. and Like it's true, like people now pay for stuff on their phone and they're really walking into Starbucks and paying using their phones. And it always brings me back to the Benioff quote that he always used to use and I guess it's gotten old, but he used to really hammer this home during the... what used to be awesome keynotes during Dreamforce.

Justin Edelstein: Oof. Ow. Don't say that Mark. Don't say some shady shade at Mark. Because he'll come back. Come back at me, Mark. Come at me. It's like. other people acting. So anyway, he used to have a little slide and a speech to go over it that would say that, you know, we as technologists would always overestimate what we can do in one year, but completely underestimate what we could do in 10. And this this is one of those things that reminds me that Makes me think about that it reminds me of the time we went and laughed at the guy who said we'd be paying for things With phones all we're doing is paying for things with phones and all we want to do is pay for things with it's like why can't I pay for something with my phone and Now it's like this drone thing is like ha ha ha isn't that silly but ten years from now It's like I'm gonna see a million drones in the sky just dropping back packages Off and then I don't I don't want to leave my house just drone knock on my window That's right.

17:13 Justin Edelstein: Well, we were in an apartment building put it on the deck. Yeah The floor I was trying to figure out how in an apartment building scenario this would work Drop it off next door and you know the robotic doorman will go get it Well at that point there will be a little bot that grabs it and goes back and it's a little R-2D-2 thing.

Jason Atwood: I really try to fight that. Whenever I feel those feelings, I'm a very technology guy. I was talking to my wife and kid the other day about technology in the future and we were talking about wearables. And I said, hey, listen, this is where they are now, watch and maybe glasses and whatever. But it was a Shark Tank episode. The guy actually came in, he said, we're gonna drill like a Bluetooth.

Justin Edelstein: Put a Bluetooth thing in your head. Like, oh, it's surgery. And they're all like, yeah, goodbye, I'm out. And, you know,

Jason Atwood: Laughable then, I think within 10 years we'll be of wearing stuff either embedded in our bodies or on our eyes or whatever that will be technology, that'll be computer, robot, whatever.

Justin Edelstein: I can't wait for a...

Jason Atwood: It's not gonna be silly.

Justin Edelstein: No, no, no again the the So one year underestimate 10 so it holds very true. It's funny cuz Alag.

Jason Atwood: Gore, Gore. When he was doing his environmental speech He's like we we'd be this far and so I were actually a of-. that Interesting point. So anyway, we can move on from That and finalize with Cloud predictions. My predictions, my sixth annual. That's crazy that this blog is old enough to have six years with predictions.

Justin Edelstein: That's the theme song. Is that the theme song? That's a good one. Let's do this. of them.

Jason Atwood: All right Yeah, so I have, I have no idea I Yeah, that's right. That. the, and the the a on Hulu like they used to have the Criterion Criterion thing, now they have like It's a lot of fun. And because there's never doesn't have it has stuff that's free of no

22:07 Justin Edelstein: But their original content is getting better and Netflix's original content I'm really good both better than who's but all who needs to

Jason Atwood: Do is land one good or two good shows and all of a sudden But these other ones are like Dominating award chosen. I know, but that's this year who I'm, saying 2016 my prediction who overtakes netflix. All right.

Justin Edelstein: All right moving right along apple goes original speaking of content original content that is you're like you have a confidence level of nine here. Yep.

Jason Atwood: I Couldn't agree less Oh yeah, so this is part of the rumor mill, so there are rumors out there that Apple is going to create original video content. They're already doing it, they're already kind of starting to do this, so I don't know if you know, but you have Apple Music, yes? I do. Yeah, and you actually... You pay? I do pay. Right? And you like the mixtape is your favorite channel? The mixtape. Love the mixtape.. That's all you have to listen to. Mixtape radio. So I have a question because we could go back a little bit on this. So one of the things that you used to say about Pandora that you were always like it Pandora knows me and it like it knows what the songs are like and you gave that up just to listen to a mix called the mixtape and a couple other radio channels.

Jason Atwood: But none of that original stuff none of the like it knows you. Do you miss it?

Justin Edelstein: It has that aspect because it has the for you stuff that does surface things that Do tend to go towards my liking because if I pulled mine up and you pulled yours up there Yeah, but it's not a custom on the fly mix of music that you

Jason Atwood: Have Created over years of liking and like and things which was your big thing about Pandora You should say this the reason I Pandora's I spent years telling Pandora I like this and don't like this and I know Does that's what you gave it up? I'm just wondering like now looking back. Do you care?

Justin Edelstein: I I wish you know Cuz we had it on like the other night when we're having people over and we just left like the mixtape rolling and It was like hitting and missing and I was like, you know, I kind of wish that it was like my Pandora playlist because I know it would just hit like what I wanted it to play. The band. The band. No, but it would be sprinkled in. But there is a thing that is still missing from Apple Music. that sort of self curated without having to put it together yourself mix

Jason Atwood: Taylor Swift's 1989 concert is available on Apple Music. It came out this last Sunday. It's original. It's all video. Two hour concert. Only available on Apple Music. Yeah, so and there's been rumors that Apple is gonna go in Thank you very much. It's a guarantee, because it's where everybody's moving. How do you get people to go to your channel? How many people just sign up for Netflix because of Orange is the New Black or House of Cards? I mean, how many people sign up for HBO every year because of Game of Thrones? It is exactly where you get content then people come to the content. Commonest level's very high, it's a nine.

25:51 Justin Edelstein: It's a niner, folks. Thanks for watching folks. I detect Niner in there. It's a Niner. Definitely a Niner. Okay. Daily fantasy and Uber gets Uber.

Jason Atwood: Well, Uber-ing is, is by the way, it's my least favorite term of 2015, which is Uber-ing. Like that this gets Uber'd or you're going to Uber or, that's going to get Uber. And it's, I think it means... I mean, I could look it up, I guess, but the, that a, an industry that's sort of been around for a long time gets a new company to come in, a new startup to come in and to rethink, rethink the way it's done, like taxis and hiring people and kind of outsourcing it to the people. And then you get Uber'd because they came in and they're disrupting the whole system. So I kind of am using it wrong and I know that. I'm saying Ubert in terms of they get in trouble. So, Daily Fantasy's already happened, it's happening.

Jason Atwood: And Uber I feel like is on the precipice of being shut down. Like I know they're huge and they're millions of dollars in investments and all this. I just have this feeling that a government agency, and I have six confidence on this, or agencies or world-wide agencies are going to come in and they're going to, they're going to have too much pressure from the unions and whatever, and they're going to shut this stuff down. and make Uber have to change its model drastically and very quickly from outsourcing individually to maybe some sort of thing. And Daily Fantasy, anytime that anything's making that much money that quickly, someone's gonna pick their head up and be like, hmm, and since you are playing on the edge of the law... It's a team thing. They're not putting together, it's not betting.

Jason Atwood: They're putting together teams. And teams is skill based. And so they're winning money by a skill, not by a betting. Yeah, you're definitely, I mean there's already been lawsuits from players' associations because they're using their likeness in these things unsusited. You think like Odell Beckham Jr. is suing, I think it's Garcon, he's leading the class. They're suing. these places because they're making all their money, but hey, Beckham doesn't get any money out of the billions of these daily fantasy places are winning. So I think they're gonna get, I think they're gonna get in deep, deep trouble next year.

Justin Edelstein: Next one, new, new Apple Watch.

Jason Atwood: This is insane to predict this. This is like going against everything I know and believe and true about Apple, which is that Apple releases something new every year. I think they're gonna take the year off. I think they're gonna go watch. For the watch, meaning they're not gonna release a new watch next year. I think they'll release one the year after, but I just feel like for next year, so again, they're just going to let it go and they're gonna go back and when they release it. It's gonna be a total departure from this taking everything they learned and taking everything we've learned we've reimagined it.

Justin Edelstein: And recreated the aluminium in a whole new way. Yep.

Jason Atwood: And lastly was no one.

Justin Edelstein: Salesforce.. My longest shot. Bins off. Heroku. With a confidence level of one. Meaning. You don't actually think this is going to happen.

29:03 Jason Atwood: I do think it's going to happen. No, I don't think it's going to happen. But I have this feeling that like. If I look at all the properties that Salesforce has bought and all the products and services and whatever over the years, some of them, you know, they get sort of pulled into the fold, they get turned into products, they get turned into their own line, they get pulled into an already existing product. Proko's sort of this outlier. It kind of doesn't fit. I mean I know from an architecture like platformization of things, it's this great, great, great service. It just doesn't fit. It doesn't seem to fit. It's like outside of what they're doing. The only thing it fits in is kind of, it's cloud computing. But other than that, like, I know it's their answer to things.

Jason Atwood: Well, you can all oh, oh, the Salesforce platform isn't strong enough for you. Do it in Heroku. So maybe that's why they would never ever sell it. It just feels like it should be spent spun off. It doesn't. It's like, you know, the Sesame Street thing, which one of these doesn't belong. Heroku always looks like the one who doesn't belong. So I don't know my job is that they'll spin it off. Maybe they'll maintain relationship with it, ownership in it. but I feel like it needs to go on its own and not be part of Salesforce. Okay. All right. All right. Okay. Okay, then. Out of all of those, which one do you think is going to happen? Which one's most likely to happen? Okay, then. No, no Apple watch what's the least likely to happen?

Jason Atwood: Who are you taking over Netflix? Okay, so you have a higher confidence that sales were spinoff for Roku next year than hoot overtaking Netflix Okay. Yeah, I don't think you this is gonna happen. So okay. Well, you're saying least that's why I use the words least Yeah, easy. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Let's yeah. Yeah Next time we're actually gonna do a fan request We're not done yet. We are done. Yeah, we're done. Yeah, we're done. Oh, yeah We're done for the year So for next year when we start to start on we're gonna do a fan request because it's probably not gonna be a lot of news Although I think the spring we could talk about that spring 16 release notes are out But there's not the full one not the final So that can be talked about but first we're going to do something called home screens, where someone asked us to take out our phones and literally talk about what we have on our home screens, like what do we have and why and apps and whatever.

Jason Atwood: So it's going to be a big picks episode because we're going to talk through all the things we have on our home screens and why we have them there and what we use them. So it's going to be fun. All right.

Justin Edelstein: So let's get to our, oh, wow. This is an interesting pick. I'm gonna pick something I haven't used before, but... Oh, that never stops you. Caught my eye. Caught your eye.

Jason Atwood: Alright, so go ahead. This is our last CloudFocus app pick of the week. Make it good.

Justin Edelstein: Alright,- So I was looking through the components section of the app exchange for Lightning components. Yes, I've heard of these. And there's this one that sort of caught my eye. It was a stock. That's it. Reliable up-to-date stock information stock ticker thing okay, Octana stocks Lightning component nice and basically it's just this little component that works on the Basically all form factors right mobile mobile whether it be tablet or phone and as well as the desktop that that allows you to track performance of stocks. So you can manage your stocks and have an overall view of the market. You can get updated quotes and charts and you can compare stock prices in a single view. So it's kind of like a neat little thing for just dropping a look like the stocks app inside of salesforce one, which I thought was kind of a Cool.

33:05 Justin Edelstein: It looked cool. It's like, oh, that's an interesting lightning component. I like that. So give it a little shout out on the show.

Jason Atwood: Excellent. it's Octana. Light stocks, lightning components, stocks, lightning component, free, free on the app exchange on the app exchange. all right, cool. I'm going to pick something not for free. I've been using it for, it came across in an article I was reading. the other day, actually I was gonna do a re-pick, maybe I'll leave it for next year. But something that I have not used before, I think, one of the people at Arkus uses something very similar, so. Do you have a problem with your menu items?

Justin Edelstein: Do you have way too many across the top? I think someone at Arkus does use this. Yes,

Jason Atwood: Is this make your. your top of your manuscript just crazy with all sorts of things. Try. But wait, there's more. No, try Bartender 2.0. A not free app for OSX that collapses all of your items into... like, smaller items. So this is for your OSX, it's for your menu bar where you have all the little icons, you know, the WiFi and the Bluetooth. You start installing stuff and you get a lot of them. And some of them you want because you need to access them all the time. Some of them you want, you never need to access or see again, like the switcher for switching between users. Like, you don't need that because I don't really do that that often. And some you want just to be able to see some of the time when they're active, when they're actually doing something.

Jason Atwood: So a this app, Bartender 2.0, you saw it, it starts up your startup, and then it Meaning if they're doing something like spinning or talking or have a little movement in them Then they can pop up and it can pop out so you can see that the action is happening So I basically took one two three four five six seven eight now I took ten of mine and I stuffed them into into the into the sort of sub menu and they're gone And then I left like Bluetooth Wi-Fi Sound and like I left very few in text expander things that I actually need to look at but I don't need to see the Google One up there all the time or the Dropbox one up there, and I don't use Evernote from up there I have the app so like I got them all out bartender 2.0 is 15 bucks I'm on the free trial.

Jason Atwood: I haven't bought it yet. I'm on the 30-day free trial I think I'm in. I think I'm in. I really like the functionality. I also like when you're doing a video call or a webcast or go to meeting, whatever. Very distracting when I'm watching someone's and I see nothing but tons of little things happening up there. I'm like, I find it very distracting. So I like it that I like to take away all those. So when someone's watching my screen, they're not seeing tons of things floating around up there. Anyway, Bartender 2.0 from, I don't know, some company. I forgot to put it in the company, but it's, let's see. It's really awesome of you. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Mac Bartender. Okay, macbartender.com. 15 bucks, got all sorts of awards.

36:23 Jason Atwood: It was written up in a, that's what it was, it was written up in something.

Justin Edelstein: So that's it. That's my pick of the week and my pick of the year. Have a nice year. Bye.

Jason Atwood: You really are on drugs, aren't you? I'm not. You definitely are. Happy holidays, happy new year, from Justin J. And Joy, those cloudy days.