The Big Apple - Episode #218 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 218th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the first week of July 2015. This episode is titled The Big Apple. CloudFocus Weekly is brought to you by the Permissioner. Bi-archus, Mass Assign and Revoke Salesforce Permission Sets. It truly is permission sets made easy. Available for b free on the AppExchange or go to thepermissioner.com. I'm your host Jason E Edelstein how you doing Justin?

Justin Edelstein: Actually Finally, I can say I'm doing well. I feel good I feel like all sickness has left my body. It's been about a month. Okay, and I'm feeling good now Finally, you're finally feeling good.

Jason Atwood: It's been a while. Yeah, you've been a sick a month for a month. It's crazy.

Justin Edelstein: Moving on. I don't know. Draw your own conclusions. I don't know.

Jason Atwood: Well, you had. Like you had a real sickness and then like I think you got beat down because of the real sickness and then the sub sickness picked up.

Justin Edelstein: Sub sickness like a sub tweet It is it's like it's suboptimal really is what it is totally suboptimal It's totally suboptimal.

Jason Atwood: Speaking of suboptimal things, on the most useless day of the year. That's tomorrow. Well, no, the most useless day of the year is the day before the day that everybody takes off. The day before the day that you get off? Yeah, because then everybody just takes off.

Justin Edelstein: Pretty much at this point, we are the only people left. Doing work. Yes. Well in America the rest of them are like they're all having a good time I'm the East Coast

Jason Atwood: Yes today is the second tomorrow's the third but the third is the official celebrated July 4th Independence Day and then the actual day is on Saturday and then Sunday and then we'll be back both the actual day is the day that people actually celebrate Yeah, but I'm saying they're getting through they're observing it tomorrow. Yeah, I mean people are getting off work tomorrow, right? So they won't be necessarily celebrating July so you know what you can do on your day off the tomorrow Listen to this podcast podcast

Justin Edelstein: All right, so we have some stuff to talk about hands over in the UK or in England Go on your business. I guess we'll be celebrating our independence from you. I know you're listening.

Jason Atwood: Yes, I spent some time in London and I used to call us the colonies. So like, oh you from the colonies? I'm like this is 1980 something.

Justin Edelstein: Like you're calling it the colonies. It's the 80s.

Jason Atwood: It's the colonies. Speaking of the colonies, we have an agenda. Is that the worst segui ever? This is gonna be a bad podcast. I can already tell. Or the great podcast. Best podcast. Or maybe something else. Or worst podcast. Go on. We'll let you decide. Yeah. We have the blog of the week, which is... the review of the Salesforce New York World Tour by the unnamed blogger. So we We decided, or I decided, and I just told you what was, I decided that it's unfair of us for everybody other than this one person. Yeah, so everybody else is gonna get mentioned. Everybody vlogs here at Arkus, and so we're gonna mention everybody but this person. This person, because the joke is now five years old. This will never be named when they blog. The others will hear themselves.

04:00 Jason Atwood: Because I think they all listen. I think a lot of the... I still wonder about that. I obviously never worked at a company where the founders of the company podcasted. I know.

Justin Edelstein: How many of those do we want? Well no. Quite a few. Go for a fact that a majority of the majority of the- Salesforce World Tour NYC recap. Great. So this is a quick recap tour in New York City. And this was, jeez, feels like 100 years ago. Also known because this really wasn't really

Jason Atwood: The first thing to mention is that what used to be called be called like a cloud tour than something else then whatever now called world tour. It is actually all over the world. I know they have in London. I know they had one in Chicago. They had one in Paris. Yeah, very recently. And they have of See? They're definitely they're definitely different for different cities. that-- I feel like

Justin Edelstein: This is their second, I feel like this is their second largest event of the year. The New York. York one where they take over a chunk of the. right Right. Not the whole thing, because the cannabis expo was there. The third day, right? or whatever they call it. It was like the premier digital marketing event of the whatever. Insert, insert date range here. So, this is the world tour itself.

07:17 Jason Atwood: That's right. And it was in the Jacob Javits Center in New York City. Which is about 10 blocks away from us.

Justin Edelstein: So most exciting moment for me was No, when Derek Jeter came out on stage, that was my moment where when I went to Boston and Tom Brady came, out and a whole big thing about Tom Brady and I was like, we're Shaw and push off maybe push off.

Jason Atwood: -, But I was standing there with actually the person who wrote this recap. We were standing in the expo before I had volunteered in the admin zone Right. Did you volunteer? Yeah, no. Gershon volunteered. I didn't show up. Justin did not volunteer. I was there.

Justin Edelstein: I was hanging around like talking to people. Anyway, I did not volunteer. Anyway, we were sitting there. I was a bad MVP. I was sick. the I really wouldn't have been able to talk that much. Then thanks for sitting next to me, sickie. I was coughing all over everyone.

Jason Atwood: So we were talking about it and one of the other other people, someone else standing,, there was like, oh, I heard it was, you know, oh, it's something, it's a famous person. We talked to, oh, well, Tom Brady, so maybe it's a sporting person. And so the other person, and the other guy goes, oh, you know, not be named the man who wrote this. this blog post said never, never would che the ever. I said not for any money money would he show up at this thing.

Justin Edelstein: Here's my speculation knowing knowing him and knowing salesforce all of whatever appearance fee that he charges to make an appearance anywhere went right to the turn to foundation like there's no way this went into Derek yeah I know this went right to his foundation he really cares about it. It's knowing Salesforce, they would have loved to have been able to do that as opposed to just lining millionaires pockets.

Jason Atwood: It doesn't really matter. I mean again, it might have been a play for a nonprofit too like maybe I Mean, I'd love to hear him say all he didn't say like oh and I from my foundation. We use Salesforce He didn't know he didn't so maybe he doesn't but anyway it was cool I mean, you know, it was cool. We got the roots I was gonna say because you're a huge huge huge Yankees fan and here is your dude I think I was the first one up when he started walking out Yeah, you caught the innovation

10:34 Justin Edelstein: Yelling as loud as I could yeah Didn't make it very far. Cheers. AHHH! AHH! Grr! Grr! Grr! Yeah, it didn't go very far. No.

Jason Atwood: But it was interesting, cause I'm not, I mean I am so not a, baseball fan. But did you feel like you were in the presence of greatness? Nope.

Justin Edelstein: That's terrible. Oh yeah, well, Kefauk was there. I feel so horrible for you. To not feel like you were in the presence of greatness.

Jason Atwood: Did not feel it That's so disappointing.

Justin Edelstein: I thought the roots was good. Yeah, they were fine. They hyped up the show a little bit There was definitely good good starting. I mean they were better than like the Beach Boys introducing wave or MC Hammer or MC Hammer introducing I don't know aliens or that guy who comes out and blows into a shell Wow, you're just taking shots. I mean, I, I just don't, don't enjoy that. That's all he's like, let me get out my conch shell This might actually never beish prospective.

Jason Atwood: The approval process did not make it through your proposal. This podcast broke.

Justin Edelstein: If you're listening to this, the approval process... I missed the chatter approval on this one. This one, somehow,

Jason Atwood: Some admin, delegated admin, or the delegated approver, because we were on vacation, made this one go through, and what happened? What happened here preclude? Terrible. terrible just in making inside jokes about about Mark Bandy off and his love of all things Hawaii having some sort of high priestess of Hawaii

Justin Edelstein: All right, it really doesn't matter what the rest we talk about. No, just for my people have turned this off. It was fun. It was big. New York City. Yeah. Let's keep moving. It was typical World Tour show. We've talked about those before. Yes.

Jason Atwood: Mini Dream. Moving on to more fun things. More fun stuff than Shell. So Apple did stuff a couple weeks ago. So yeah, so that was in June. This was also in June. WWBC, which is the worldwide developer conference for Apple. which is now becoming their one of two big announcements. They used to have a Mac world and they don't do that anymore. Now they just do this and they do special events, but this is for the developers. But now, I, it's weird it's for the developers, but again, it seems like it's a consumer base because they stream it, so I actually watch this streaming. I watch this. After the fact I have a podcast you can download a day or two later watch I just like on the Apple TV. It just shows up. Yeah, yeah So I watched it later a little so this actually happened and we're gonna go over some of the big things a they announced because we Haven't talked about it.

Jason Atwood: Maybe I'll send other conversations as well because some of the stuff they announced is now actually in our hands, or I've been using it, and I know you, I just heard you know, that I'm having a big, big conversation about this. So let's go down the list here. I'm going to use Macworld, sorry, MacRumors, which is a great site. By the way, if you don't go to MacRumors, it's one of the best sites. It's less about rumors, it's just news. And the best part of it at the top is a thing called the Buyer's Guide. You can click on the Buyer's Guide and it will tell you every Mac or any Apple thing they sell and it tracks over time how often they release and it will tell you should you buy this now, should you wait, should you absolutely not buy it.

14:11 Jason Atwood: It's really the best, it's the best resource on the internet, Buyer's Guide. So if you're ever thinking like, are they going to upgrade it? It gives you the history, it gives you the average, it gives you where it is, like MacBook Air, it's been upgraded by now versus, hold on, great resource. So we're going to use their ordering. The first thing they talked about was iOS 9. iOS 9. So now it's becoming a yearly thing. Apple updates their iOS every year. Sorry You'll be able to see the video while you're in the corner, while you're doing mail. That's like one of the big ones I think that everybody kind of fell over. Again, kind of catching up on the Android side. Looks like they just did a very nice job of it. There's a new, you know, Notes is getting refreshed, getting a lot of Evernote-type features.

Jason Atwood: News app, which is a brand new app, which is taking on. I was kind of excited about that. Really? Yeah. time. For me, you've been talking about Zite for like seven years and now you're excited about new Zapp.

Justin Edelstein: And this will come into our conversation later with the one last thing music thing. Sometimes it just takes for Apple to just do it before I like dive into something. I don't know why I just I just activity tracking No, but flip flip board was at the first one before Zite came around or whatever Well, that was it. Flipboard actually bought Zite, but but Flipboard was around for a while So I tried it I was like, eh, okay I just stopped and yeah, I know you've been like ziting it up for a while Years and I just I installed it. I just didn't catch my thing. It's like, you know what? I like reading articles from like these five websites like I don't need this site, right and But now it's just gonna be there on the device other than what you download this open it and just be like, okay What's this do and just sort of figure it out and if I like it, I like it if I don't I don't You know what's funny is though, those were not like the big things for me.

Justin Edelstein: To me, there were two other things that were in iOS 9 and iOS 9. The the maps having the transit stuff, like so far behind like, come on, guys. Right. That got a huge applause because it's like, yay. Thanks for catching up, people. Right. And hopefully they'll be accurate. And the search. So yeah, it's kind of what that's kind of across the board got better. So we can wait for that for I guess Let's talk about the transit because the transit

Jason Atwood: Was better They they did the leapfrog so they're doing transit great Maps does transit doing transit with in in station directions. It the best. So not just you're getting out of the station, but where to go within the station. Go to this exit or this. And if you've ever been to New York, there are some stations that are cities unto themselves.

17:28 Justin Edelstein: Yeah, we're at one right now. We're at the Times Square station. I don't think this goes to our Clomis Circle. Clomis Circle's pretty big. Even though I get oh, you know, it's a big ones are easy downtown where you could sort of like almost walk between two states Yes.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, so that's very cool So yeah, let's start with the other the other thing which is that Siri is gonna get a series slash search are getting smarter smarter much more

Justin Edelstein: Being able to ask different questions and things like that. I'm not so excited about these types of things. The personal assistant, not so excited about it.

Jason Atwood: I thought the plug in your headphones and it pulls up the thing that you always do when you plug in your headphones. It pulls up your podcast player and says, this is what you do. Or it pulls up your phone or whatever, whatever, learning my rhythms to my day. In the morning, I always go running, so it pulls up Runkeeper when I plug in my headphones. I'm like... I'm excited about that stuff. Search always want better. Obviously in the other on the on. So they're both getting better. They're just getting better in terms of what search can do. What did you think about the keyboard?

Justin Edelstein: With the selecting and... Just making it generally easier. I won't know till I touch that. Better to me it, but I assume it will be I Mean that it's like anything you just get like when you first got the iPhone however many years ago that was right yes It was 10 years ago actually.

Jason Atwood: The 10th anniversary just came up in June. Really? Or was it 8? 8 or 9? It's something like that. Definitely not 10. 8. Tell you that much. So. Thank you.

Justin Edelstein: I remember it's like how are you gonna type on that thing cuz we had blackberries and What was the other one? Trios? Trios. Blackberries and trios at work It's like how you gonna type on that thing and all of a sudden, you know, how do you not type on that thing? Right? Why would you ever want a physical keyboard? It can't change It makes no sense.

Jason Atwood: And now with installable keyboards, I mean I love installable keyboards. And, apps have their own keyboards.

Justin Edelstein: Like certain apps have their own specific keyboards that are tailored towards some of the functionality.

Jason Atwood: Two other big ones that they sort of, you know, if you have to get the recaps, one is updating will now be much smaller file size, so you won't have to wipe out your mobile device. and they're actually... Providing two features are saying that you're gonna get an hour better battery life just by going to iOS 9 And they now have a power save mode just like they do on the Apple watch you'll be able to say power stage mode So you're like like I was at a concert last night actually you were at the same concert last night Although we weren't together at the same concert, but we were in the physical same space I've seen the same. A lot of people are at that concert. A lot of people at 30,000 people.

Jason Atwood: A lot of people.

Justin Edelstein: I don- I don't think that building holds 30,000 people. 20,000? Yeah, somewhere around there.

Jason Atwood: So you can like last night it would have been great. I could have set my thing to power save like I don't need you to be doing anything you're in my pocket where phone should be during concerts and Sorry, just the guy in front He was faced with people while at the concert. That's so cool. If I was on the other end of that FaceTime, I'd be so ass- And I could see them because I was sitting behind this I see people like in there like giving like their towels you start like giving them the finger No, they were looking at the concert. Oh How'd you see he was because the screen was showing me their face? It was terrible where they like singing along it was and not one person put multiple He must have called three or four people so funny during a concert.

21:03 Jason Atwood: That's really good It's terrible. It just and with an iPad, not with a little small phone, a big iPad that he held up. You just shouldn't go to concerts. I'm holding up a big thing in front of the people behind me. You shouldn't go to concerts. Come on, you would have had a fit. First of all, your shorts. He would have been blocking more of your view. If he was doing that and it was blocking

Justin Edelstein: My view, I would have kindly, politely asked him to not do it. And then... If he would continue to do it, I think I'm hitting it like just tapping it. Like the top of it. But it was like, yeah, I would just start like tapping the top of it. So it would, so it would maybe fall out of the hands or something.

Jason Atwood: But there are some times where I just want, I just, I would love to be able to just to like, I don't know who can do it. Magneto or some superhero. Just be like. And everybody's phone just stops stops working anyway So power save mode you just you just went off to deep end Well, no, listen to this anyway, because they won't make it by the approval process. It's already it's not gonna make it by the approval Why don't we go forward?

Justin Edelstein: Why don't we go forward into L-com 10?

Jason Atwood: So they named this one. So it's officially 10.1 one This is a small increase. What LKP-DONE is in Yosemite. It didn't seem like much of a big deal. But I like that they actually stuck to it. So LKP-DONE is in Yosemite. So it's like they're saying this isn't a new spot. This is like whatever. And it's 10.11. So this is a small update. Again they're saying lots of speed. They're bringing metal into it. Siri, sorry, search is becoming very fast. There's one boxing searches. Oh, yes, which I love tons of stuff and real language. So emails from Justin yesterday.

Justin Edelstein: Right. So I can just do that and I love them up. Yankee Yankee score.

Jason Atwood: Lots of tabbing safari, getting pins full full screen apps working better next to each other. Yeah. Moom Moom Moom. Yeah. Moom is going away because you'll be able to just pin things left and right. It's been in Windows forever. But I think actually the thing I'm excited about is more is Metal. Metal's their graphic acceleration language, I guess. It's been on the mobile. It's been on the mobile, not moving to the desktop. So they're saying that things like that they rewrite, and they're going to start rewriting their stuff in Metal. It's just, there it goes. hit. much much faster. So like clicking stuff because it's the thing that makes things slow when it starts up is not the background stuff It's like showing you that it's not up. So saying like things like Safari and preview will just pop open so fast You only think about it.

Jason Atwood: So you can say four times faster that kind of stuff. I like speed I like speed too,

Justin Edelstein: Which makes me yearn for new hardware, which I haven't seen in a while Well, they have done new hardware.

Jason Atwood: They haven't done this hardware. I want a MacBook Pro, a new one. They have not. They updated it, but they just put in the touchpad, and they whatever. That's all they did. I know. They need to Finify it. They need to take that MacBook.

Justin Edelstein: And Finify it for this. Just make this whole thing of battery. But with battery. And power. And battery. And power. I want the whole. I want my entire. Machine to be a battery.

24:09 Jason Atwood: Yeah, just put batteries behind the screen everywhere. I can go for an entire I mean, anyway, I don't need as much anyway. Next up was watch OS 2, you know Because watch OS has been up for like five six years. We're waiting for two. I mean, I've been waiting for it for a while Looks neat again. Maybe we could discuss watches or Apple watches now

Justin Edelstein: Well the big there's one big thing which is a big thing multiple friends No cares about that the big thing is is is Native apps right which is it's basically been a remote control or a tiny little screen For your phone up until now or up until whenever OS 2 comes out Now you're gonna have actual apps being able to natively run and use some of the hardware on the device That's the import which is the important piece so you can use that Taptic Engine you can use the crown you can use

Jason Atwood: You know motion the heart rate monitor all that stuff so they can write full apps that will run on So every a lot more snappy like you

Justin Edelstein: Open up an app now that what's making a call to us and go out

Jason Atwood: Also, it's going to have built-in Wi-Fi. It's going to be able to attach to Wi-Fi networks. So, like at home, your watch doesn't have to go through your phone to get to the Wi-Fi. It can just get to Wi-Fi. That would be nice. It's sort of, I mean, it's so fast on the heels of the thing launching. It's clearly they, you know, they did, they need to get something out there. The watch in some ways is great. There's some weird stuff with it, but you know, it needs this, it needs to really, to really be the smart watch, whatever it is, it needs an app running on it. The whole calling out to the iPhone is. It's just, it's not very interesting. Like, I like on the phone or, or the phone, or the ones that run on the phone.

Jason Atwood: All right, sorry, on the watch. Like, everything else, I'm like, this is useless. Like, oh, I wait for four seconds as it pulls data from this other place. Thanks for watching! So we both have Apple watches for a while now. I think yeah over a month and something for me and you've had your over like almost two months. I got it April 24. Could you. Could you give it up immediately. Yeah. Yeah. What's your favorite thing and least favorite thing.

Justin Edelstein: My Favorite thing you know, I still really like the mess for some reason I just like not having into my pocket right to my phone Or like have to look at my phone at a glance just to see what the message is and then right I can decide if I Want to answer it or not Messages is great. The activity tracking is I think nice. I mean I had the fit bit Now I have the watch but it does so much. It obviously tells time, which is nice. So I could just look at my wrist instead of going to my pocket. I'm still getting used to that. Yeah, no, I still go to my pocket. Because I have never, I have a more. 12, 15 years maybe. So. getting used to the pocket for the time is still a thing, but I'm getting a lot better at it.

27:23 Justin Edelstein: And I found a watch the customization of the

Jason Atwood: You know, cut whatever or a or the calendar or the weather I could have it go to dark sky instead of be there whether that's gonna be very cool. So what's your least favorite thing?

Justin Edelstein: I I guess I would have to say the the the apps have been disappointing so the Sometimes they're cool and sometimes they're not. It's like when they work. Well, Delta, for example. I flew somewhere and I have the fly Delta app on my wrist and I was able to go all the way through security, get all the way onto the plane. with just my wrist. So that worked out well, but when it doesn't... I still had your. So when it doesn't work though, it really crashes and burns. It's like, why is this thing still spinning? Why is this thing still spinning? I don't care anymore. Right, give me my phone. That has all the power. So I think with this release we'll get a step further in the... and the ability to really start doing a little bit more productive things on the wrist.

Justin Edelstein: Not sure how many emails I'll actually be responding to even though you'll be able to now. You can't now. Right. Things like WhatsApp for example. Can't respond to a WhatsApp. Right. message, so I just turn that off. Like I don't need that pinging me on my wrist because I can't do anything with it. So the more things that if it wants to tell me things, the more things I can actually take action on, the better. For now, it's very limited. So that's like what I guess what I don't like about it. I mean, there's not much not to like it's a watch. It's not a like... It's not like, oh, I hate this watch. You know, it does what it does. There's things that you wish to watch. Well, there's things that you I don't see why you would hate it if you just strip it all down.

Justin Edelstein: It's a watch. So you bought like a $. $400 watch that you bought a $400 activity tracker. Yeah, you bought those expensive. Fine, I mean what but but like it's like I hate this thing. Well, what do you hate? What actually could you write about this? I will say the thing that I I?

Jason Atwood: Find myself when I go do it I kind of cringe and I just maybe it's just there's just no better way to do it But I find the interface of getting to apps Just clunky and just bad. I just I every time I go in like really this is the way I mean I finally started rearranging them So I put like apps that I use like I put the workout thing next to the thing in the middle. I kind of rearrange that That's been on An unhappy moment not crazy about that again the apps aren't very useful But when this becomes a lot of apps this this this methodology is not gonna scale Well, like I'm gonna have a whole world here that I'm gonna scroll around I don't know. That's one. The second one is I don't like that every time one of your apps updates on your phone, it somehow instantly gets the permission to throw itself on your watch.

30:45 Jason Atwood: So it just automatically in automatically can throw itself on your watch. No asking me, because I really take them all off, so I have to go through and I see them pop up and I'm like, how did this app get on my watch? Oh, because, when it installed the new update from the iOS, when it updates auto-updates, a It's allowed to throw itself on the watch. I'm like, yeah, that's, you shouldn't do that. It should be ask me first. Because some of them, like line two, they will then talk to the phone and they will have that thing in the background checking for stuff all the time. And your phone, it's random, but sometimes my phone, I can almost watch it go down. Just watch the like, you know, 92, 91. one. 90 not that fast a very fast.

Jason Atwood: I really haven't had any battery Issue at all now with this this thing is a great battery last. I mean at the end of the day It's like 75% phone wise as well My phone is a rock when it comes to battery Yeah Well, there are apps on this and I've the other partner who should not be named He had the same thing so it's not a phone thing and he's like I just starting to suck the life out of. There's apps here that can talk to your phone and just keep them munching. Anyway, very weird. My favorite thing, definitely the activity stuff and the watch itself. I also like the faces. I did a movie face. Did I show you my movie face? No. So I created a face for the movies. So when I'm in the movies, I do that.

Jason Atwood: So it's just very low and doesn't disturb people. So if I want to check that thing, it just does a little thing and whatever. So I saw that on a tip. You can create new faces. Oh, and the new one, it kind of has some new theories and new fun stuff. I can't wait to do fully customized faces. Like you can do your own face. And then lastly, and then we'll wrap up this. the episode that no one will ever hear.

Justin Edelstein: And you should play with it first unspecified. called Beats 1. I'll listen, I'll have the small playlist too.

Jason Atwood: There are playlists, there are curated playlists, there are connections with, with, I'm air quoting, with artists so they have their own own music sort of social network. They very much have ping, the thing that they create off for five years.

Justin Edelstein: What's Jay-Z's one called? Oh, yeah, I don't know. You keep talking about it.

Jason Atwood: So, and is not free. There's 30 million tracks in that you can, again, download, listen to, stream, Steve Jobs is rolling over in his grade because he said people always want to own music, people don't want it.

34:13 Justin Edelstein: And it's really a shot at, you know, the Spotify's, and I a and the a, the the a the-. has like the Weissman scores like a 5.2. Their Weissman scores off the charts and I think that they also have the artist saying stuff. The artist stuff they even can just keep the pricing. You go to the title if you go to the title website they have lossless explained so like lossless

Jason Atwood: What are you doing I'm six devices I'll be that there's a phone call one.

Justin Edelstein: I'm trying to like disconnect it cancel it what's wrong with you I hate this feature this is a bad feature. the extent of my listening and more. And whenever I want to listen to something specific that I own, I just... Open- Open it up in my iTunes library and listen to it. R. Now do you pay for Pandora?

Jason Atwood: P. No. R. Have you ever paid for Pandora, or. P. No. R. Have you ever paid for a music service?

Justin Edelstein: P. I bought albums off iTunes, if that's what you mean. So you pay for iTunes match. P. I do pay for iTunes match. R. Okay, which is the service that'll have.

Jason Atwood: Went and took a record out and put it on for yourself, not as someone else asked you to do.

Justin Edelstein: Three weeks ago. Okay, alright. When I was sick and I was home, I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna throw some music on and actually when I'm home, throwing music on means either Pandora or... or just like... Actually, the system is better. Like just throw a record on. I felt like listening to a record. So I was kind of so that's kind of my baseline. Now I don't pay for any other streaming services. So what do you think about Apple music in the first time? First impressions. I'm I was pretty impressed. I mean, I quite enjoyed the Beats 1 radio listening that I did this morning for about. 15 minutes this morning. Well, it happened to be the New York DJ who was from Hot 97 and he was playing songs from, like he was playing old school songs.

38:05 Justin Edelstein: So I was really enjoying it. He was playing, he was doing like a burrow tour. So he's playing. Hip- hip-hop music from you know someone from Queens and someone from Brooklyn And someone from the Bronx and he was just sort of going all over the place and just dropping in whatever he wanted So I quite enjoyed that When it went to the DJ in London, I wasn't really enjoying what she was playing It's funny cuz I was listening to her okay, so I wasn't really digging that music So tap them if you like them, double tap them if you really like them and like hold them if you don't like them. Oh, I just do that to play those guys. What styles you like and like which ones to get rid of. And then it just sort of builds out this crazy.

Justin Edelstein: Series of play. Play. And albums that you might. To and all sorts of fun stuff. And every time you're playing a song, you just tap something and boom, it's downloaded. And you can then have it offline. So I was pretty impressed with it. I'm going to see how I use it over the course of the next three months, now that I have it for free for three months. And if I find that I'm really using it and I go away from Pandora, which I kind of can't see. You're too in Pandora. I am because I've been using it for a really long time and my playlist is rock solid. You think so I would love to say so here's the thing.

Jason Atwood: I think you think that you're five year have long you've been using Pandora. Very long time. I think if you just took me or took you again you started from scratch with Pandora it within. a month, it would be the exact back to what it is today. It's possible. I don't feel like the algorithm extends on five years with whatever, I think it just- There's a lot of thumbs uppings. Right, but if you liked it for two months, a month,

Justin Edelstein: You can rebuild your- A lot of thumbs downings. It's possible, but I do really enjoy, like, I also, the other thing that I really enjoy is- I like Pandora when I'm sitting at my desk and I just pop it open in a browser and it's just playing out of my speakers on my laptop. Right.

Jason Atwood: Which you can obviously do on iTunes.

Justin Edelstein: So is Apple Music in iTunes? It's in iTunes. Because I hate iTunes. I don't even like opening that application. So like for me, I wish they just made an Apple Music app. It's in iTunes. Because I hate iTunes. It is so to me, it's so crap.

Jason Atwood: It's gotten much better. I think you're I mean, I just started up. It took maybe two seconds to start up iTunes. I don't like to open it when I'm like not plugged into where the music is.

41:12 Justin Edelstein: Right. Then the doesn matter. But then it but it resets where your library is. And it doesn't. It it is not good.

Jason Atwood: That's an old issue and I totally agree iTunes has over the years been started off this great app They bought and then they they piled on it and it turned it is I think right at the ping at The ping pinable a pinnacle it got very bloated. You got very bloated. It's much much better now Yeah,

Justin Edelstein: Well it had to do it was responsible for so many things, right? I guess now is no longer technically responsible They're all there. You just kind of have it. You also tell it not to be responsible.

Jason Atwood: Thanks. Like I tell it don't download TV shows that I buy or movies.

Justin Edelstein: Also, like, you don't have to be responsible for my phone anymore.

Jason Atwood: Right. So I think, again, I think welcome back, like come back to 2015. I need to actually open iTunes. You have to update.

Justin Edelstein: It's all and it's it's only I don't know. And open and update. All right. So you're going to test it. You're going to play around with it. I am totally not sold on it. I mean worth $10. A month. Right. Because I listen to a ton of podcasts, right? I've got my Pandora for free when I want to listen to music and I've got all my music, right? So Is this thing worth ten bucks a month to me? I'm gonna say right now No, only after three months if I'm like totally hooked and I'm really digging it and like beats one radio is like Whoa, this is really awesome and it's exclusive. I can't get this anywhere else. And then there's Beats 2, Beats 3, they come out with a bunch of different stations. Then I'd have to consider, hmm, do I really need Sirius?

Justin Edelstein: All this other stuff, does this become a place?

Jason Atwood: Yeah, Sirius doesn't go away because there's some channels I have that I can't get rid of. All right, so I feel the same way. I don't pay for any music services now. So I think that's a big distinction. Do you pay for Sirius, though? I do pay for it for the NFL. I do pay for it for the series. Which is a music service. But I don't pay for it for music. Understood. I pay for it for the NFL.

Justin Edelstein: Understood, but it is a music service. So I pay for that as well.

Jason Atwood: I can't sit as a music service. I can sit. Yeah. It's mostly a music service. I consider it radio.

Justin Edelstein: I pay for radio. Which is, you pay for radio. Right. But that's talk radio. And music. If this thing had talk radio, it'd be more... But if you had the app... Have yeah, you definitely pay for music. Okay, but I listen to music on that. All right good for paying for it.

Jason Atwood: Whatever Alright, so yeah, so that's where I am. I have iTunes match. I listen to songs although I stopped with that I've mentioned and talked about Apple, sorry Amazon music because the other person here at Arkus we were doing a bake off of music and Apple Music and Amazon Music and I was like, look, it has all the same stuff. It has curated lists, it has downloads, it has whatever. And it's free, you know, like free or Amazon. Yes, it's not free, but I don't buy it. Like I don't pay for that. It's free to me because I don't because I have Amazon Prime for the shipping. Now all this other stuff is sort of like added on top, although it does make the value of Amazon Prime better. Now I look at it like, oh, it also has this.

44:12 Jason Atwood: So I listen to beats one this morning. I had the same thing but I was listening to the British the British woman I got the New York guy though ex hot 97.

Justin Edelstein: I was really enjoying it. I was enjoying him I stopped enjoying it when it was her and I didn't like her and I had the exact thing

Jason Atwood: I was into her I was enjoying her and then the other guy came on I like next guy and I was like, oh, I don't like it and just like an old-school radio. I was like I don't, this is where music has changed and I think it's even interesting to have a radio station because I used to have to listen to radio because I had to listen to radio because it was the only choice I had or my own mixtape or a CD but it's like you listen to radio because, yeah, you don't have, I can't go build my own list or listen to any song I want at any time. Well, guess what I can do now kids? So as soon as the person came on and he played like two songs I didn't like, I'm mic.

Jason Atwood: I can go listen to anything.

Justin Edelstein: I know, it's pretty crazy. I was typing in some artists and boom, there's like four playlists. I'm like, I did not expect there to be a playlist for this artist.

Jason Atwood: So you can do downloading, you can do offline, what they call offline. I think the thing that's got a little bit sticky for me is I like curated playlists. I like that people build playlists for this experience. To go running. To go running, that's my big one. But like. There's workout ones, they have those. And songs that did that very well, like, oh, you're in the mood for sipping coffee. Listen to this. It's folk music, whatever. I think that will get me. The thing that might get me into it is the combination of, it does have all my music, where I'm listening to, because I had that experience with Amazon music. I was listening to, listening to, listening to, and I'm a big Prince fan, but I don't really listen to Prince. Like, but when his stuff came on, all of a sudden it kind of sparked me.

Jason Atwood: I'm like, oh, I want to go listen to that whole album. Amazon Music, I went, give me the whole album. And I'm like, not there. Or there's a new album, another album I wanted to listen to. But I own every one of his albums. So then I went over to my collection, iTunes. I would love that to be that way in this as well. It's sort of like combining them so I don't feel like there's these walls between them. Just listen to music and if I want to dig into that album, you don, don't have to tell me whether it's my album or not. It's just there and it just happens. Like if I own it, I own it. And if you don't have it and I own it, it feels exactly the same as if you have it.

Jason Atwood: And I don't own it. Does that make sense? It does. So like for Prince, I've heard he's pulling out all of his music out of this. I want the experience of when I'm listening to something, I go, Oh, I want Prince and I just type it in. It just feels like it pops up and it's just there. And it actually is not bad. I just did it because I went to see. There's a very little Prince in their collection, but I typed in Prince. All of a sudden it came up and they have it separated my music. I clicked in there and then there's all my music. You're like in. I have- I have 30 albums so I was like, oh there's all his albums. So that I think is where it's gonna get me a little bit more is that like more one-stop shop.

Jason Atwood: You know where this is gonna get a big test from me?

Justin Edelstein: Where? A week from today.

47:13 Jason Atwood: Today. Where you are on the plane? Where I'm on an airplane. So what are you get? Albums?

Justin Edelstein: What's your? As opposed to going to somewhere else that I would typically where would you go? Podcasts right, but you say oh the coolest I'd like to listen right plane exactly or could I could I go in advance and myself curate like some I want to fall asleep music That kind of thing Right. Like, oh, I want to fall asleep. So let me grab some like, let me go to a playlist for like falling asleep. Aslea there is right or like an airplane, an airplane playlist, which I guarantee there is travel and it's been a fun one. And see if you know where they were lacking. I was looking for like an old school hip hop one because beats one guy got me going this morning. Yeah, I was like, Oh, who are you looking for?

Justin Edelstein: I was just looking for like an old school African Mabata? I was kind of looking for some African Mabata or like some Grandmaster Flash. Like I was trying to go back to like RunDMC and like the 80s. Right. And the oldest thing I could find was like this playlist that just had like, it was like 90s. It was early mid 90s stuff. It was like biggie. It was like biggie Tupac Has like it had a Warren G. Oh, yeah I was like, all right. I kind of dig this but I was trying to go I was trying to dig deeper into the crates I wanted to go back further And I didn't find the appropriate playlist, but that's something playlists. Okay. Summertime classics. I hit the like the hip hop backyard barbecue one or something.

Justin Edelstein: That's rap songs of the nineties. I guess that's cool. I want to go back to like the eighties because I wanted to go further. But yeah, like hip hop in the eighties nineties, et cetera. Like. I enjoy that music, so. That's the sort of thing is like so right. So now I'm watching these just pop into, they're just downloading right into my music that I have available offline. So I didn't notice. So this is, this has replaced the old music app. Now, if I do not subscribe to this thing. Yes. In three months time. Yes. Do I get my old music back or is it just apple music but I don't get all this stuff?

Jason Atwood: I don't know. I just get like my library. I feel like he'll just give you my library. Now where are my audiobooks at this point? They moved over. It said it when you went in and said they are now under iBooks.

Justin Edelstein: Where? Where the hell is that? iBooks? Oh, they're in the books. Got it. Got it. What is it? Books or iBooks? I think it's iBooks.

Jason Atwood: It's one of the last things. Oh, yeah, so-called iBooks. It's one of the last i's. So that's where the audiobooks live? Yeah, they're now under here.

Justin Edelstein: Because those used to get lost. They used to have to just search for them. I'm actually happy to have them in their own place now. They should be in their own place. They were always lost somewhere.

Jason Atwood: I'm just trying to get to. Oh, my books. categories, authors, all books, audiobooks.

50:18 Justin Edelstein: So then they're, oh great, that's good to know. Yeah, alright, alright, so I just told, now you know something. I just learned something, thanks.

Jason Atwood: Want to move right along to our picks? Yeah, let's make our picks. I'm just seeing updates to books that I bought before. That's kind of cool, I like that too. I like, in the digital book world, you can buy a book and then it can have an update. It updates itself? And there's updates to it. Like I'm seeing updates for books that I have. Like, that's cool. That's cool. It's funny because they're all OmniFugged books. Alright, so let's make some picks. Let's do it. Alright, so I'm- By the way, can I already call you out that you said I will never use this, never, whatever. Now I'm here. I've already within 24 hours. I will use it. Yes, because you were like dead set against it. I'm dead set against- Glad I didn't let you go on a rant because you would've sounded really bad.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I'd like as I've- Said I have not paid for this yet, right? So it's something I haven't paid for so you just don't think the artists should be paid For their craft. I just don't feel like I necessarily need it if I get it for free elsewhere You know stuff pan or you get with with with that and I'm cool every five songs whatever you can hit me with an ad and then And then I love when they hit me with the sponsor activity. Do you want to do this? And then we'll give you the four hours of ad free listening. And I do them because they take like a minute. It's actually a smart advertising play because you're interacting with an ad. So you have to build an interactive ad where you're actually doing something.

Justin Edelstein: With it, but then once you're done, you get four hours of uninterrupted.

Jason Atwood: It's like in Madden where they have, they'll give you cash for watching an ad. Watching an ad, right. All right.

Justin Edelstein: All right, so I picked a little thing called the tile. The tile. So I got one of these gifted to me. Yes. And I put it on my keys. Yes. And I set it all up. And I'll talk about it in a minute. Okay. I really thought it was intriguing. It's only 25 bucks and I only is an interesting thing 25 bucks. I gift $25 for the ability for you to not lose something. Okay, that's important to you. Okay, can I talk about my daughter? You could okay, you could stick it right on her back So I then gifted one of them, I bought one for my dad for Father's Day. Oh nice. So that he could, they do a lot of traveling so I thought it would be a good. Good idea to use for like embarrassing story about my dad that he'll never hear but he has left.

Justin Edelstein: His and my mother's passport in hotel safes. Oh my god, he has done that the last time. So I was like, you know what, I thought about that. So, so here's how this thing works. It's a little tile as per the name. Very descriptive. I know. It's a little square that has a hole. So it can be used as a key chain, right? Sort of, or it latches onto an existing key chain or more, appropriate. Description and. it pairs with your phone. So there's an app on your phone called the tile app, and you basically pair the tile itself, the piece of hardware with your phone and then attach the tile to something and you tell the app what it's attached to because the app can have five or six or 12 tiles associated to it.

54:00 Justin Edelstein: So you can say, oh, this one's for my keys. This one's for my wallet. This one's for my external hard drive that's really important to me that I can stick it to, right?

Jason Atwood: Whatever it might be. The Tig. The Tig.

Justin Edelstein: So once you pair them up, the tile... will, or the phone rather, will show you when you open up the app the last time that they were in range of each other. Oh, okay. That's how it works. It doesn't have like real time GPS to tell you exactly where something is at that very moment. But if your phone and the tile are together, so say it's on your keys. Yeah. So your phone, yeah. Yeah. Yes, I can. Let me pull my phone out, let me open it for you. Get some thumbprint action. Thumbprint action and let me open the tile app for you. So there you go. All right, so you see I've got like my keys. Main keys with a picture of the keys. Main keys with a picture of the keys, sure. And since the keys are in the other office over here, they've been within.

Justin Edelstein: Thanks for watching! your shots seen just now. Yeah, they're right there within range of my and a sound will start going. Like it'll start peeping. Yeah, you're not gonna be able to hear it from here. We're way in here. And keep looking, it's in range of sound. Yeah, it's making sounds, thanks. Okay. Can you just say you found it or whatever? Yeah, I did. All right, cool. So... I called the police. Is that okay? No, that's fine. All right, so yeah, it connects with the phone and it's like, all right, this thing was in range of your phone within these amount of minutes. This is where it was the last time because presumably your phone's kind of always on you. And the thing that you're like, this is really to me made for keys. All right.

Justin Edelstein: So have you ever used it? I've ever used it practically. No, I haven't lost my keys. You're not that person. Yeah. But if I lost my keys all the time. Or, you know, maybe when I travel, I might change it from my ways to my passport. Why your passport? Because my passport's important when I'm traveling internationally. And if I got if I had lost it or if I got like pickpocketed because I was in some touristy spot and so I snag my passport, I would love to know the last time I had it and where it was. So that that's kind of a to me, I think keys are the most practical use for it. I happen to not be a person that loses keys. Right. But if I were or like was a let's say female who kept keys in a bag and I Have like 30 bags, right?

Justin Edelstein: I didn't know which bag my keys were in This is a fictional character. This would be very practical. We'll never listen to this podcast either.

57:05 Jason Atwood: Well, I have a fictional character as well Who am I? I have a fictional character as well that I think would actually has one of these I have not set it up for that fictional character Because she's fictional but when I set up for I'll be interested to see if she uses it I think My guess is and this is terrible. My guess is that she's gonna forget that she has tile Right. So then she'll be looking for her keys one day and I'll say did you use tile and she'd be like No, that's right. I have that and then that just won't work.

Justin Edelstein: Because this fictional character will never lose her phone.

Jason Atwood: That doesn't happen. No, she does that too. She just puts it everywhere. This fictional character. This fictional character doesn't understand that the only way to not lose things is to put it in the same spot.

Justin Edelstein: I just happened so I just, mic drop. At least your ear isn't bleeding. Your ear is exploding. My ear is bleeding. And I just dropped the mic. Like I was like, you know what, mic drop. Alright, let's get out of this business.

Jason Atwood: What's your thing? So mine is something. This seems very hippie. This is hippie? I am hippie. So. I am obsessed as we've talked. I will show you this.

Justin Edelstein: I'm obsessed. I don't know if I want to touch your phone.

Jason Atwood: 'un So I am obsessed with this with the automation, the monitoring of so are right. So we have sense. We have tiles. I have nest. I have the I have the Canary. I have the thing in my car. I love this stuff. What else do you have? So I have a new thing called flower power parrot flower power. Yeah, it's it's made by a company called parrot. Oh, so it's a device. Yeah. you stick it into the soil of a plant. You then tell it what plant it is. You connect up with it, it's Bluetooth. Yeah. Connect up with it.

Justin Edelstein: You say what plant it is. It has a... There's an app on the phone. What plant it is meaning it's this plant in my apartment or it is this type of plant?

Jason Atwood: Both. Got it. Then it has temperature, light,

Justin Edelstein: Soil, and... Does it tell you when it needs to be watered? That's all it matters.

Jason Atwood: But not only that, but it does it for the type of plant it is. So it watches... I've only had this going for two days. It watches the over time the water level, the fertilization level, the temperature level and the light level of this plant. Does this say kickstart? No. This is like a real thing? This is by actually a very big company called Parrett. They make all the drones. They make all those drones that you see on TV. They also make... Earphones that make some weird stuff. Anyway, it's called the picture. Here's my this would be one of those weird stuff things So this comes from this about for years. I've wanted it forever I just didn't want to spend the 60 bucks on it because it's a little bit much for a plant But I someone gave me a gift of like a gift cards.

1:00:08 Justin Edelstein: It only works for one plant one point one plant So this is this plant which I know there's a bit well the bet with this plant too And

Jason Atwood: This is why this is a little funny story. So the fictional character. Yeah And I have this bed on this plant. It's an orchid. Yep. And we were given to it. It was given to us because when we started dating, our first, I think we had two dates. Our first date, I brought her an orchid, like a orchid, whatever, not the plant, but the like, yeah, that, a branch. And she forever has been making fun of me and saying how terrible it is because you don't bring people. We'll see you next week. Flowers weren't going on a date because we went to a movie and then I had to hold the flower and it's so So then my mother and mom when we got married for three years later got us an orchid as our anniversary plant Like you know, so you've had this orchid for 11 years She claims it only it only blooms once every five years So it's now my it just bloomed like God's March beautiful big bloom orchid.

Jason Atwood: I saw it. Yeah Obsessed try to make this thing bloom within five years. So you bought this thing so I bought this as someone gave me a gift card to for Amazon for Amazon I bought on Amazon and So far is so cool again. The neat thing is that it does all the monitoring does it know plants? So it could database of 9,000 plants.

Justin Edelstein: No, I get that but but does it know what you could potentially do? to make the orchid Bloom yeah, so cuz it's like hey do this do this make it better It's gonna tell me like one thing I learned totally gonna win this yeah As long as this app works right and if it doesn't work

Jason Atwood: First I've already learned more about this I've only learned more about orchids than I need to know Orchids don't need watering very much because they're supposed to live on top of treat. They live like on another tree So they don't actually.

Justin Edelstein: Well you know what you gotta do is get a tree. Well I have a tree.

Jason Atwood: Anyway, so right now it says the temperature's okay for it. The sunlight, you can see over a day period, again it's only been plugged in for like two days. It's monitoring the sun over time so you can obviously when it gets sun. But then it matching that to what it needs. So that's what the awesomeness is. You might have to move it. Right, it might say this plant's getting too much sun. Now so far it's good, I'm all good. It's gonna blow them again. but I think that's fascinating.

Justin Edelstein: Is it too much money to spend on one single plant? We need to put an Orchid Tracker on our website so that people can track this. I don't think it can do that.

Jason Atwood: Then the next one that's gonna get it is. You know what? That's..

Justin Edelstein: Jeez, we went too long on this one. We haven't podcast really in a while. That's right. So we load the people this for the long weekend. They're making long drives, long commutes to places, right?

Jason Atwood: I I'm not sure what we're doing. We're doing a lot of stuff going on next week. But listen to this twice or listen to half the week after. Until then, Justin Jason saying. Enjoy................

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