Dream the Dream - Episode #269 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 269th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the third week of August 2017. This episode is titled, Dream the Dream. CloudFocus Weekly is brought to you by a clone this user. That's your love on existing salesforce user with the click button by the desktop mobile available for free free free free on the app exchange or go to dub dub dub dot clone this user dot com. What's the childhood. thing to say but yes well of your host as you and and joining me clearly not even waiting for his own intro taking liberties 269 times in a row is just interesting just how are you doing dream in the dream baby who knows a lot of

Justin Edelstein: Podcast enjoy sure was we were pumping who July we had to take a cup off in August Oh god, I know, we just did so many podcasts.

Jason Atwood: Anyway I will say from looking at the statistics, looking at some of the feedback, those were very, very successful podcasts. They were- On the Twitters? On the Twitters and also on just the watching how many they were downloaded. They combined, that month was a very high month in terms of podcast downloads. So it was a content that clearly struck home with somebody. So cool.

Justin Edelstein: Glad that worked. And very cool. Good idea, Justin.

Jason Atwood: Thank you. You have one every every year. Once in a while. All right. So we have, we're back after a couple of weeks off and it's August and probably won't be podcasting next week because I'm on vacation towards the end of the week. So We have some catching up to do because while we were GTDing again from July, we were skip, skip, skipping all the blog posts. So we have a myriad of blog posts.

Justin Edelstein: A myriad, a plethora of penatas. Various different things.

Jason Atwood: Various different blog posts just piling up. So we'll talk through those. Well look at this first one, very apropos. Apropos, we'll get to that. And then we'll also talk about, we both attended our first midwest,

Justin Edelstein: Our first dreamin'. It was my first dreamin' event. It was my first dreamin'. Really? You hadn't gone to any of, any of the other ones? No, I had not been any dreamin? Any like, Philly Force? Not found dreamin'. French touch. No dreamins. That's a thing, French touch. It's a little weird. I think it's like a I think it's a weird name random. I think it's a weird name French touch isn't it? That's what it is right. I'm not making that up. Maybe it's touche Now there's surf force which is cool, and that's in Ireland, but why surf force? Well, I think they're in the they're on the coast like they're in the middle of nowhere Ireland Oh,,, they're like potato for maybe they go surfing in the morning Guinness force cabbage force these

03:17 Jason Atwood: Things I could think of Well, cuz I think of surf force like if you're doing it like on the California beach

Justin Edelstein: California but maybe Ireland's known for Surfing in certain locations.

Jason Atwood: Every time I think, in fact, I went to see Beach Boys last night. You were thinking Ireland. I was thinking Ireland. And they came to California. I wish they all could be Ireland girls. Right, Irish girls. Irish girls, yeah, sorry. It was a lot of Beach Boys.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, you saw the Mike Love Beach Boys, which I give a thumbs down to. Why? Because it's Brian Wilson's band, not Mike Love's band, and Brian Wilson's touring also, and you can see Pet Sounds, which is awesome. So he's doing Pet Sounds,

Jason Atwood: And the other one's doing whatever butterfly or... Pet Sounds is one. He's doing Mike...

Justin Edelstein: Probably just doing Beach Boys greatest hits surf and safari. Oh, yeah, he did a lot of service. Yeah, and if you want to see the big stuff you go see Brian Wilson who can't sing anymore, but

Jason Atwood: Well, I have always saying who is always named is actually going to see that one as well She'll enjoy that one more.

Justin Edelstein: I think I will better be better music.

Jason Atwood: I will check back. I'm guessing it's the same music. It's not she heard the two songs you want to hear That's it.

Justin Edelstein: Oh, maybe she like this. Yeah, I don't know the other ones better though. All right guaranteed We just talked about that. We just talked about concerts. I've been going a ton of music Yeah, you've been going alike. I've been going ton and I've more coming I put you see I'm going to see Paul Macar you we go on the same night. When are you going? When are you going to Paul McCartney? I don't know. Where are you seeing him? I'm seeing him at the Barclays. At the Barclays as well. Oh, look at us with the same agenda here. I'm seeing it on Tuesday, September 19th. I'm seeing it.

Jason Atwood: I have to get to it in my calendar. Search for it.

Justin Edelstein: Search for it. I'm seeing it. I'm telling you, it's the 19th. The 19th. We're seeing it the same night same night. Oh we can travel to rob our houses Thank you. We can travel there Your. Well, it's and our podcast is

Jason Atwood: The podcast of the people This is really the Trans Republican podcast. It's for the people.

Justin Edelstein: You're being hacked right now. We have all the information in your phone, whatever you're listening to this on. And thanks for downloading. And we're done. Let's move on. Can't wait to listen to this on my Sonos system when I get my Sonos. We'll have that discussion as well. Well, you can make that your pick. I'm not going to make it because I don't own it yet.

Jason Atwood: That has never stopped you. Oh, well, yeah.

Justin Edelstein: Today's pick I've never used to this pick. And you've picked things that people have just said, hey, this is cool. And I looked at the app exchange listing and it looks cool. So I'm picking it. Right. That's when I get my Sonos and set it all up and show you how cool it is. Then I'll make my pick. I friend. I was out with friends out in Long Island.

06:26 Jason Atwood: And he has it set up and he was doing all the things on his phone and like changing and everything and it was pretty cool. I actually forgot to ask him. I was gonna say hey like because everybody was looking at it. I know he loves it so I've never heard anybody say I don't everyone I know has it loves it and it sounds great right so my thing to you and now we're getting to our our little family fight I just said I wouldn't personally go get a Sonos until I know and compare it with an actual shipping hardware from Apple, which is coming out in December, which is the HomePod. What I've heard from just tangentially through people who have, you know, seen both or actually been in a room with it, which is like 100 people in the world.

Jason Atwood: Have said the sound sound quality of the HomePod blows anything on the planet away right now. Again, that's just people sitting in these things.

Justin Edelstein: I'm waiting for it to come out. So these people who all work for Apple?, no, no reporters. I all the reporters all the reporters. I'm not going to do it because I'm not buying that thing because it doesn't do what Sonos does.

Jason Atwood: That'll be my other point to you. I don't know what it does until it comes out. Apple is very good at.

Justin Edelstein: Especially because they have an iPhone coming out a new iPhone a new Regrets will be had. No, they won't. I won't regret this decision. I don't even want to do these blogs. Can we just talk for like 10 minutes? We don't want this podcast. People do not download this just to hear us talk. Yes they do! They don't care what we say! As long as we say things. Things have been said. No, let's actually get to some content. Alright, what do you want to do? Talk about family GTD after we just talked about GTD for the last million years? Let's just mention that it exists.

Jason Atwood: I did write an article or a blog post, I guess, talking about how to incorporate GTD. So after the huge GTD series, it was actually published in the middle of our GTD series. sponsored by the GTT series, something people have asked me a lot, so in my GTT travels. So I just posted a blog post about Family GTT. How you work it, how do you get your family to get on board. And again, if you listen to our podcast, which you probably have and listen to, I think I cover most of this, so we don't have to go over it, but it's definitely something that, you know, eat. you It's like anything you get into something, a sports fan, something you kind of want to get into that same thing. And so this is tough because I've found some people who are resistant to this.

Jason Atwood: I have a friend, a mutual friend of ours, who I won't name, who I've actually said many times of being the anti-GTD person.

09:30 Justin Edelstein: I have initials. E.M.?

Jason Atwood: All right, I'll figure That's because insert in con insult of Justin here next speaking of insults The partner who shall never be named speaking of self-congratulatory Blog post he's been blogging for like 20 years now,

Justin Edelstein: Hasn't he? He's kind of been blogging since before blogging was blogging.

Jason Atwood: I think he invented blogging. He invented writing blogs with pencil and paper Right and you just hang them outside your windows people can read them blogging. That's blogging. Yeah, anywho There he writes on the risks of self-implementing Salesforce, which is interesting Because it's I Don't know it's kind of it's a strange topic to say what are the risks But there are risks and we come across it all the time with our clients. We have clients who come in to us who kind of tried themselves. And it's an evaluation. Salesforce in some ways is very easy to set up, but in some ways if you don't do it right, you can not get the report and you want out of it. You can mess data up. You can set things up so it just doesn't work, and you get terrible, terrible adoption.

Jason Atwood: So... I'm not saying that everybody has to hire a great consulting firm like Arkus to do their implementation, but there's definitely some risks. So he calls some out here and you want to call it as one or two? Not really. Really? We did talk about extended timeline, port option, time cost without experience. So here's the thing. If you want a blog post to put in front of somebody and say, hey, Look, we're thinking about self-implementing. Maybe we should pay somebody. Like, here's a good blog post to put in front of them. The other thing I would say is, sometimes paying a professional will actually pay off in the long run. So you could do your own plumbing. But if you mess it up and it leaks through the seven floors and ruins everybody else's apartment, and you end up having, you know,.

Jason Atwood: $100,000 in lawsuits and your insurance goes to the roof, yeah, probably worth it just to play a part more. If you let you shoot yourself, you try to defend yourself in court, and you go to jail. That doesn't work. Maybe you should have gotten the vote. So anyway, the risks of self-influencing sales force. by the partnership not be named We'll say we can't publish. I can't publish. I can't publish. Ashley writes about utilizing Salesforce Ohana. I think that's the first time Ohana has made it into a blog post on Arkus. To become a successful Salesforce professional. Hashtag Ohana. Hashtag Salesforce Ohana. Hashtag Ohana. Hashtag why aren't you Ohanaing? I F It's kind of like a growing trend with Salesforce. It's like, we have something we like. So it doesn't mean what it should mean.

13:26 Jason Atwood: I have used it when I haven't felt ohana. I like to say whoo I don't use it I again, I like the concept. I like the family ism. but sometimes it feels like it's kind of being to be mis a a-,a

Justin Edelstein: Anything but what it is, which is community.

Jason Atwood: I think they're gonna rebrand that. Yeah, they will.

Justin Edelstein: Ohana licenses. Yeah. How many Ohana licenses do you I want family ohana licenses. I'll take 150 family ohana licenses and... Can you imagine someone's head spinning? Like what is this ohana nonsense license? It's the hana license. Imagine someone trying to sell that too. It's like you need like about 2000 ohana logins per month. It's like what are you even saying is that what is that? I mean, really, I know it's just funny. I just don't like it. I just don't like it. I just don't like itn- I just don't like it's funny. I just don't. I Huh. It's completely unnecessary. And it's also a way for people to pander. So, thank you my ohana. No.

Jason Atwood: Okay, I'm sorry. Not your ohana. Aren't I the grumpy man in this on the spot? Usually, but this thing... So, ohana gets you. So to get... Astro's your thing? I'm after Astro. Like, not... Ohana's my... Hashtag not on my computer.

Justin Edelstein: Hashtag ohana. Not a thing for me. a the. a a or the that-, a of a I I Community. Just call it what it is. It is what it is. It's a community.

Jason Atwood: Well, Hanne is a little bit bigger than that. No. I mean, it does mean family,, but the sense of Ahana, if you've watched Leo and Stitch, it I means never being left behind. So Ahana means family, and family means never being left behind. It's a,- it, and. from Leo's ditch go watch it so yeah another thing derived from a cartoon is what you're saying pretty much Perfect.

Justin Edelstein: I flipped on, I was gonna watch. AppExchange apps and Godi does some good stuff.

16:27 Jason Atwood: It's cool. We're not going to. We're not going to survive this year.

Justin Edelstein: They're so terrible. We're awful. Anyway,

Jason Atwood: Sorry. She does mention some of the things blogs, you know, Salesforce MVPs, which is true help and training library, which I'm finding. Kind of flips back and forth I find when I'm helping somebody I kind of do both I shoot them both both now I say use trailhead as sort of a Teariness, but if you need to do something like here's the steps in training That's where you go because trailer doesn't give you the steps to do stuff it does But it's kind of you know again. It's in the material It's like going to a how-to guide versus opening up the history of the United States. It's like, oh, okay? Anyway, anything else to say on that? I think I've dug about four feet deep. a big enough deep? Well you're only four what?

Jason Atwood: What did we learn today? I'm not four anything.

Justin Edelstein: Oh five five? So you got a foot to go. Keep digging. You know I think my driver's license says I'm five four. Five four? I think. Thank you.

Jason Atwood: So you have a foot to go. I'm not sure what the license says on it. So keep digging. How much do you hate Ohana? Just tell me.

Justin Edelstein: Like four? Out of 10? No, I just don't. I feel like the word is a way to pander. To Salesforce.

Jason Atwood: Thank you Ohana. Oh, you see it as a way for. outside people to kind of get good things from Salesforce by saying,

Justin Edelstein: Oh, this Ohana, so good.

Jason Atwood: Thank you. Really? It's also a type of sausage, by the way, Ohana.

Justin Edelstein: Or it's like, thanks Salesforce or thank you community surrounding Salesforce. They've created a That doesn't need to exist. It's an existing word. They've created a Marketing message around a word that just doesn't need to create the word It doesn't need to be there. Stop saying created words not creating create a word been around for hundreds of I mean, true, I guess. Okay, that's it. It's now six foot hole. You're good. You're gonna stop now. You're actually in the hole and you can't get out of it. And there's dirt and it's getting dark in here.

Jason Atwood: I'm gonna push in Astro so you can play with it. Yeah, but I'm like. So speaking of which, I did publish, I did publish a, no, we'll talk about that next week. All right. Let's move off. Next up. Oh, you just want to get to yours. I didn't want to.

Justin Edelstein: I I said let's stop 10 minutes ago.

Jason Atwood: Next up on the blood is fear. Oh, that sounded nice. Pep up tech Salesforce bootcamp.

Justin Edelstein: A rewarding Ohana experience. Oh, I know you did. Did you put on in here though? I wrote. I wrote in here. Oh my God, you did.

19:28 Jason Atwood: What did I write? Great. I just search for it. The salesforce community,

Justin Edelstein: Comma, or ohana as it's now transitioned to being known as Right and then I never As expansive as ever Then I never used it again Hashtag ohana Then I never used the word again I used community Can you talk about your blog post? Do a find for the word community Okay, how many how many did you find in my blog post? How many communities did you find? Exactly Because that's what it is It's a community Oh, so our communication so nine Okay, fine

Jason Atwood: I don't know why you'd search for communication. And you link to Salesforce's guest community, so it was eight. Because it's a link. That's a real thing. Well, it's not the Salesforce Ohana community. Do you want to talk about your experience or not? Yeah, I had a great experience. Well, tell people so they're not going to read the blog. No one reads. Yeah, you're right.

Justin Edelstein: So I mentioned Pabup Tech on this podcast before. Yes. And we are sponsors of theirs. Yes, we have sponsored events. We've made some charitable contributions to them. And that part of that has been volunteering. And I had this extremely rewarding experience that I wanted to share with the Ohana about. actually being a lead teacher during one of their four-day boot camps here in New York City which was held at Monroe College in the Bronx. So, PepUp Tech for those just a little bit of background it's all about getting under represented individuals into technology and into the technology industry. So I went and taught for a full day on a Saturday where there were 48 students showed up on a Saturday to learn about Salesforce. There were primarily IT students or IS students. 95% of the class was in sales.

Justin Edelstein: The group was made up of that major. And I had a great time meeting all these students, sharing with them my passion for Salesforce, my story about how I got into Salesforce, what it's like to be- You're talking about me? No, what it's like to be- Well then, you didn't tell this true story.

Jason Atwood: Did I talk about you? I did, because you're part of the story. I'm not supposed to say. I'm in that story.

Justin Edelstein: So, you know, talked about what it's like to be an admin, talked about what it's like to be, I was really there to talk to them about what it's like to be an SI. Did you teach or did you just talk? I talked and then I put sales, I put trail heads into context. So I taught using Trailhead as my curriculum.

Jason Atwood: You do this, let me explain how you. Right.

Justin Edelstein: So here's Trailhead teach you how to do something, you know, a use case, but let's talk about what this really means and, you know, creating relationships or lookup relationships versus master detail relationships and why you would do one versus the other. then explaining in real world terms, using like accounts contacts as like a lookup type of relationship or a one to many. And they get it, they understand databases, these are IS students, so it was just a different way of getting people involved in Salesforce and... I walked out of there with a great sense of, I guess, I was just really happy and proud and felt very rewarding that I was able to share my experience with students who were all, just all ages, all very, a super diverse group of people. So it was very rewarding for me.

23:28 Justin Edelstein: Awesome. Awesome. And Trailhead really was super helpful, I gotta say. I mean, to run a class where you're teaching Salesforce and to have this curriculum just built for you and you just give it context is truly incredible. So thanks to the Trailhead team because that's really an awesome platform that they're building. I wonder how...

Jason Atwood: I'm not a computer major. I didn't, I mean, I was a computer programmer, but everything I've done is self-taught. I mean, I think I've been in very few classes over my long experience here. But I wonder how people come from a traditional, like you said, database design, and like they come from that traditional training, right? Where like I have a friend of mine who, who, who. soon. does database courses. He teaches database courses and how to build them and whatever. Actually I did. I sat in on one of his courses once just because it was fun. I think we went out to dinner afterwards. But anyway, I wonder if coming from that traditional, very traditional kind of, you know, computer training, if you flip over to using something like Trailhead, which Again, in some ways, is really well done, right?

Jason Atwood: It has all these things and paths and free and checks your work and really don't need an instructor per se. It's funny in times, right? It has a sense of humor. So it's not like a dry database. It's not a textbook. I have a textbook on database design that About four sentences, you're asleep. It's like third normal. You're asleep. Right. So, you know, it's supposed to be kind of getting keeping your attention and with tricks and, and even the quizzes and things are kind of funny. It's like, get a free hat. No, that's not the one. So it's, it's got a humor to it. I wonder though. Do traditional programmers or people coming out of these programs, do they find it too Like I don't know.

Justin Edelstein: I did have the chance to talk to a number of the students, obviously one on one and afterwards everyone wanted to come talk and there were some that were like i'm a front end programmer, you know, i have built websites, i've built apps where i've had to, you know, do the back end and the front end and they were actually, this is more a sales first thing than a trailer thing, but they were very appreciative of where you get your entry point. is you're so far ahead with Salesforce because you have everything built for you. You just start just putting fields into objects. And then I was telling him, I'm like, you're a front-end programmer. Well, lightning, that's for you. And also you could kind of, for the most part, do whatever you want.

Justin Edelstein: You can do it in whatever language you want. Just, you know, tie the things together using... Apex, do your thing in whatever JavaScript framework you please. And he was like, oh, that's interesting. Like, wouldn't have even necessarily thought of that. So there's there's room to grow for trailhead to bring it to people who don't just want to Learn apex or learn visual force, but want to learn different Front end frameworks and tie it to Salesforce as you know The back end or you know the process engine if you know and they you I think they were for the most part pretty into it It was pretty easy for them to set up and understand and get There are some issues at times With trailhead just the way it works is you know when you're signing up for something when you do like the social sign up You don't really know your username Sometimes you need it right?

27:22 Justin Edelstein: I would use my own account. Well, I I don't do this I do the dev org and then but then when I'm doing a when I'm doing a project or anything I spin up a playground from it. I don't do it in my dev org. I do not because sometimes they really conflict with each other and I don't it depends what it is But generally for

Jason Atwood: Every of my whatever a 50 something badges badge dropping Drop the badge mic to your what 20 what Yeah, like five. I so far only use that. I'm not bored because I don't know you go in this but you're right You can't have installed stuff sometimes you so Ij did that cat Einstein cat thing and that installed a bunch of stuff So sometimes it can break. Yeah, I'm trying to do it especially when you're

Justin Edelstein: Doing the super bad stuff and it's very complicated and you sometimes have to Pro tip incognito mode

Jason Atwood: Just go incognito and you're fine He's talking about the Chrome ability to go incognito Which means you're kind of it's two different sessions

Justin Edelstein: Of the same browser so it doesn't see the other set just go there You're you're always in better shape when you do that because you're logged into trailhead in one session and then the playground sort of is another one so it's gets very strange.. So that's a Peppa Patek.

Jason Atwood: So that's It's like I don't know. Actually,

Justin Edelstein: Actually, like I'm sort of smart. Thanks, Amy.

Jason Atwood: I'm so surprised. Thanks, Amy, so smart. What I find interesting, so little kimono opening, if you guys can bear it. We used to be, when we had the blog, we used to have sort of a blog master, and that person kind of controlled the content and controlled the flow of who did what and when. And a year ago, or two years ago, I said, enough. We are adults. That's part of our policy. I only hire adults. And everybody should be able to do their own thing and come up with their own content and write good stuff and know when they're going to do it and blah, blah, blah. And we talk about all GGG stuff. And we did it, buddy. I think maybe over more than a year ago, because he didn't blogmaster last year.

Jason Atwood: Here's what's next! So this is, maybe a year and a half. And what I've liked about it is that the content sometimes is like all over the place, but it's true to them. It's true to what they want to write, meaning we're not saying, Amy, write about Salesforce Sandboxes. And where'd that voice come from? Or there's one coming up, there's one coming up over the wordy. Coming about wellness or. Again, it's sort of just where people hit their stuff. some of them are trending more technical, some of them are trending more community-based.

Justin Edelstein: I really like it. Oh, Hana-based? No, no. Welcome over the better.

Jason Atwood: Welcome to a better thing. But anyway, let's be real about Salesforce Sandboxes.

Justin Edelstein: Cause I don't want to be fake about it, Amy. I wanna be real.

30:23 Jason Atwood: So this is something, so it's a great article. I'm actually not blog post. I would not, I would say go read this. This is not something we should just like pick the two things. We should talk about sandbox strategy, and this is what this talks about, and sort of decision making around hey, you know, there's a speed versus a you know, correct way in a correct environment, you should, you should, because especially now with partial now that you have a free partial for enterprise and above, you should be having a sandbox strategy. There's no reason before with just the abs accounts, like, well, there's no data, it's difficult at the populated. But now with partials, you kind of have very little excuse, except for it takes more time. And sometimes it's a pain in the tuk tuk.

Jason Atwood: So like you could go, and that's both a Thai restaurant in my neighborhood and a butt.

Justin Edelstein: Is the restaurant a butt? Everything butt.

Jason Atwood: So I would say... What was I gonna say? Oh, so for adding something simple... doing a simple change, it sometimes feels like, why am I going to log in Sandbox, add the change, publish it, go through the process. And while chain sets in some ways are so amazing, in some ways they have not been touched in many, many, many years. Like when's the last time you saw release notes with anything to do with chain sets other than we've added these four, you know, new metadata or new API or something. It's the interface is still the same. The way the search is still the same.

Justin Edelstein: And it needs a huge overhaul. 120 something components and boy was that a pain to put together I did one with 222 the other day pain, but in the scheme of things that's actually a small deploy right right If you're doing big enterprise deploys,

Jason Atwood: You've got thousands potentially You know you come up with strategies should you do should you be doing smaller deployments? Should you be building smaller packages? Depends if you need to go. Like, is it a- all or nothing kind of deployment or is it, I can push some things ahead of others, dealing with the profiling. You can make mistakes and things can disappear. You can pull the wrong resource, overwrite stuff. Anyway,

Justin Edelstein: There's lots of good resources in this blog post. Yes. There's links to ideas. There's links to understanding how change that's work. and what can be deployed there's links to tools like the ant tool I'm there's a I modify the user Page layout, right not the user profile. Gotcha I had to just rebuild that one.

33:47 Jason Atwood: The and build out knowledge in a sandbox I might do... I just do do a version, get enough and then validate, do another,

Justin Edelstein: You know, kind of keep adding to it so so I can kind of figure out what the last good change to change sets probably about a year ago, maybe a little over a year ago which was when they let you run specific tests Yes, that was the good one. That was a great addition as opposed to running I cannot stand and it's still enlightening.

Jason Atwood: Okay, because we're done. So hey, we went to Midway Streaming. We had lots of them. We, we went to a few sessions. How many sessions did I go to? One. I think I went to like two if you count the keynote. Oh yeah, if you count the keynote, I went to two. I would say that's, again, as I've been in this business a long time, it's tiring to think about. It's like 47 years.

Justin Edelstein: 77 years.

Jason Atwood: So I find the session stuff kind of harder to sort of get too jazzed about, but I love the people process. I love the people processing product. just catching up with people, because this is a community that I've been around for a long time. just learning anything is kind of in trailhead. Like someone telling you how to do something in a session is less, although again, there were things in this So it was held in Chicago over two days. For those who don't know, it's a community-led conference. The first of its kind, I believe. And this is the first and the biggest. So it was like 600 people. Again, all run. sponsored by companies but there's content around Salesforce. Salesforce speaks, they have people come from Salesforce, they had, and they do some of the similar things that Salesforce does.

37:00 Jason Atwood: That would be, now is my feedback to them when I gave feedback, gave it both because we had Sam, who works at Arkus, was one of the people helping organize it. I gave her this feedback, I gave it on the survey as well. I think one of the things that I kind of expected was was not to sort of follow the Salesforce script. I wish they had sort of said, hey, we're a community-led Let's make the way it works different. I think they just kind the took the the but they're kind of doing the Salesforce content stuff. So I think that would be my feedback. Otherwise, it's really cool. Like what an amazing thing that they community, that this Salesforce, that this Salesforce ecosystem is big enough to not only have Salesforce, the company do this, but that people by themselves want to do this and build, their own conferences.

Justin Edelstein: What's this ecosystem you speak of? You mean the Ohana? No, I do not know what you're talking about. Oh, okay.

Jason Atwood: I don't speak Hawaiian. Is this an Ohana-led?

Justin Edelstein: No. Everyone in the room's part of the Ohana.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, alright. That's like seven feet now. You got there.

Justin Edelstein: Keep going and you're never going to get- I'm waiting for you to get- Oh, you took it off of here. I see. I see what you did. Oh, you're going to bury yourself next time. Oh, with my. I'm focused whenever is next time that and have to 70. coming up next week. Coming up next episode Jason Barries himself.

Jason Atwood: I don't think I'll bury myself in that. I think that's pretty obvious. Everybody's whatever. And what are your thoughts?

Justin Edelstein: I was a little underwhelmed by the whole experience. Hold on, let me give you a new shuttle. Let me give you a new shuttle. A new shuttle? A new shuttle?

Jason Atwood: A new shuttle. A new shuttle. Because that shovel is about to break as you hit granite.

Justin Edelstein: How many shovels did you just said? A new shuttle? That's a new shovel? Alright, alright. It was my first dream and event. Ditto. I thought it would be a little bigger to be honest with you. Really? Yeah 600 people's a lot of people I know but it's like three years running and they've got like it was the start of it now They're just all over the place. I thought that they would have It's pretty central. It's in Chicago. I thought they'd have more people there. That was just my gut I thought there'd be at least a thousand people there It was a little amateurish. Oof. Keep going. Sorry. This is what this is the deal. You want to be talked about on this podcast? You're going to get it. Good, bad,

40:31 Jason Atwood: Different. Next time, Justin gets banned from dreaming. I mean, how,

Justin Edelstein: How, how on from one to 10, how is that opening keynote?

Jason Atwood: I thought the opening keynote, they had a lot of technical issues. That's what I meant by by amateurish. Well, I'm going to break it down. The conference was run fine. There were technical issues, some of which could have been the hotel, the AV of the hotel. I thought the content, this is what I said before, I thought the content was kind of just rote content from Salesforce as opposed to, Let's take a different approach. We are not sales force. We can say and do things that are different. We can say whatever we want. That's right. Like this podcast. That is right. Cloud focus conference. 2019.

Justin Edelstein: We say whatever we want. Show up.

Jason Atwood: Pick up a shovel. Do whatever you want. And pink-tig it.

Justin Edelstein: We're not giving away stuffed Astros. We, we're giving away shovels.

Jason Atwood: In session 101, how to dig a hole.

Justin Edelstein: Session two, how to build a grave. How to piss off your biggest partner. How to build a coffin. How to get uninvited to many things. Oh my goodness. Yeah, so the keynote I thought. The keynote was, the opening keynote was completely underwhelming. if you ask me and rot with technical issues. Yes, which fine. It appeared as though they had last year's slide deck up there. I can't see how that's the hotel's fault. But if you want to blame the hotel, that's fine. Also, whoever vetted the fact that whenever you move to a slide, blaring dance music should just go off again. Yeah, no. Like, how about no? And then it was sort of a place I didn't get what... Whoever that... I don't even remember her name. It was that forgettable. I'm sorry. It was Einstein.

Justin Edelstein: It was about AI.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, it wasn't about AI though. I guess that's where I would say content like what I expect out of a community conference. and then the content they didn't match. Talking about AI, so again if you say well the community a conference is really just it's the same content that you would get anywhere else but it's just in this area. Go to your world tour.

Justin Edelstein: Right. Go to your world tour. I think that's... And that's that. That's what I'd like to see as a differentiation By the way world tours are free. Just saying. I know you got to pay the bills. I get it. No, yeah, they get to pay the bills. it, but world tours are free and you're getting the polished version. Right.

Jason Atwood: I get that's that would be my thing. It's like spin it spin it differently. Put more put together content that Salesforce wouldn't put together. Yeah, because it's basically Kool-Aid in a different flavor. Shock them. Like let's do Top 5 reasons not to use lightning. Like seriously.

43:38 Justin Edelstein: Yeah, like let's get real about lightning. Yeah,

Jason Atwood: Like it ain't, it's not ready, lightning. Not ready for prime time.

Justin Edelstein: What? Hashtag tit. Right, like if you put that in as a session, I don't know if you would have gotten selected. to actually do it. To do it at Midwest Streamin? Right. Which is where you should be able to do that.

Jason Atwood: I agree. So there were some of that, like again, friend of the podcast, Roger Mitchell did a session that they wouldn't allow at a world tour.

Justin Edelstein: Absolutely they would. I don't think they would. Absolutely a developer thing that is a hundred percent I don't think they would.

Jason Atwood: I know they would. Well, I know that they rejected it for Dreamforce.

Justin Edelstein: That content. They didn't like it. They did not like that? Nope. That's weird of them. Well,

Jason Atwood: Again, and when he's doing it, he actually made comments about and said, hey, this is some stuff that is not great about what's happening, right?

Justin Edelstein: This term, here's some real limitations of the platform. Well, then he did it. I mean, that was like the session I went to. He did a fine job of it. while he was talking to his audience, developers, and he did a fine job of skirting the line of, these are the good things.

Jason Atwood: And here's some things to look out for. So I will say, there were a couple sessions that I didn't go to all of them. I mainly went to network and to see employees, and that was where I spent most of my time. There were a couple sessions that I know they got feedback from. There was one that was like how to manage how to manage how to manage a woman in a man's world or something like that that they got feedback like Someone wrote some anonymous stuff to them and said that so they were pushing the envelope I just wish it had been I just wish it been some start to finish. That's all but they're in a tough position because they're Salesforce is still the sponsor, right? Salesforce is still sending their people, and that's how they're sponsoring, right?

Jason Atwood: Salesforce, I don't think writes them big checks. I don't think so. I don't know.

Justin Edelstein: But Salesforce- Getting Peter Coffey to show up at your event.

Jason Atwood: That's right. So that they are, Salesforce puts in their thing, and they're people, and that's time and money. And I think that's where... I think that's where you have to draw that line. I just wish it had shifted, especially the keynote. I just wish the keynote had been a little bit more...

Justin Edelstein: Well, it seemed like last year's was done by Erica Kool. Who's the perfect person to keynote at community conference. Right.

Jason Atwood: But then again, that's a Salesforce person, as opposed to where's the community person doing that keynote? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like it should, I know this is a crazy thought,

Justin Edelstein: But Salesforce almost shouldn't be invited. That keynote could have been run by the person who started this conference by Eric.

Jason Atwood: Why didn't you keynote it? Get out there, Steve Jobs, that puppy. Elon Musk it.

Justin Edelstein: Wait, that sounds good. It's your conference, you know, keynoted. it.

46:55 Jason Atwood: Anyway, hopefully constructive People I don't I see twice or three times a year and just chatting with them and getting their feedback on stuff I think that's

Justin Edelstein: I'm gonna earmark a few others to go to but not that one other dream ins No, just other conferences. I have not yet attended That are somewhat new. Okay, like I haven't been to the trailhead X. I want to go to that Yeah, that just feels like Dreamforce. That's just Dreamforce. I'd rather go to that. Dreamforce eight years ago. Great. That's when I love Dreamforce. Right. And fell in love with Dreamforce. I want to know that.

Jason Atwood: And it's much more just really admin-y, admin-admin all the time. It's less partner, less prospect, less...

Justin Edelstein: I want to go to Dreamforce where I can learn some stuff maybe and not like worry about like salesy things

Jason Atwood: Yes, it was much trailhead and that's why I did that was my theory This year was and why I went to all of them is I really wanted to compare and contrast What is the difference between destination success and trailhead? What is the difference between trailhead? Just our trailer DX and and a dream and what is the difference between a dream and a dream for us? So one of my blog posts that I just thought of that I will capture is At the end of the year I should do a little comparison of all of them and say hey Here's kind of why you would go to either one of these. There you go worth the value Alright next time I think winter 18 is getting close pre-release sandbox.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, so that means I think the note I think the note the pre-release notes hit today.

Jason Atwood: So they're not mean I saw a notification today So great. So I think that means next time we can do some winter 18 and we can talk about

Justin Edelstein: Your favorite top my favorite topic cartoons in enterprise software

Jason Atwood: So we should call it let's make our quad folks at Piggly because you haven't made one for over a month what do you got?

Justin Edelstein: I have an app that my dad told me about that I haven't used, but I downloaded. Okay. It's called Park NYC.

Jason Atwood: Okay. All one word. Okay. I'm excited.

Justin Edelstein: And it's free. Kinda. Okay. Framium. Not happy about that, but whatever. Well, it's not freemium. It's free. The app itself is free, but what you're doing is you are paying for... metered parking spots. Oh, in advance. With the app? No, when you park.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a friend who uses this. You park and then you just do it. You can re-up wherever you are. Well, you can't re-up. Once. Right. So you have, there is some limitation there. He tried to give me a thing. I've actually semi-used this.

Justin Edelstein: My father was loving it, so whatever.

Jason Atwood: It replaces the functionality that you go to a parking spot, you have to get your ticket, you put it in your car.

Justin Edelstein: Well, you also have to have like quarters, maybe. Well, now they take credit cards.

Jason Atwood: But then you still have to go back to the car. If you want an extra hour, you have to get wherever you're going and go back to the car with this. You don't. You get one re-up, I don't know how long the period is, whatever it is, but you can do it from your phone and say, give me another out. And you also,

50:04 Justin Edelstein: It's much like a metro card that refills or a easy pass. You like, you fill it first with like 25 bucks. And then when you hit a certain threshold, it charges you again. Awesome. So that's why I say it's free. Kinda, right. It's free, but you're using it to pay for stuff.

Jason Atwood: It is a it's very cool. I love the Apposition of some of these things some of these and I will actually talk about another one. That's kind of like the same thing sorta Scout for pet owners. So it is a we have a dog and to walk the dog we used to have a dog walker, we have to call or email, whatever. And then that dog walker actually started in our building and went from someone who was just like walking one or two dogs in the building to now has his own business where he has like five or six walk dog walkers and grooming services and whatever. And at some point he said to us, Hey, you can't just call me anymore. Even though you've been doing it for 10 years, you can't just call me.

Jason Atwood: You have to actually use this app. So we got access to the app. and it's Awesome. There is something really fun about going to the Zap. It has your information, it has your dog, right? So you go in, it has your dogs, if you have dogs, I guess, or pets, and you go, okay, what do I need? Oh, I need to have a walk. You know, I'm gonna be late tonight. I need to have the dog walked. Great. Pick your dog. Pick your time. pick what you want to have happen. Is it a walk? Is it a this? Is it a that? Handsome notes in. Hit go. They then accept it or not, right, because they can say, hey, you know, we don't have anybody to walk your dog, but they pretty much accept it.

Jason Atwood: Then the best part is, as then the dog gets picked up, it sends you notification, your dog walking has started. Then you get an then you get an email and a thing on the app at the end that says It is a great app. I think your dog walker service has to be using it, but if they are, awesome. I mean, awesome. It's just, it's like one of those things is like, there's an app for that and that actually is amazing and works great. And you get an email receipt and again, it shows you the map of where your dog walked. It's really good, we don't use it a lot because we're always home to But occasionally, like today! You just you have a scheduling conflict and so it's really cool scout for pet owners It is zero dollars a heat to download but it is to have your dog the walked See your local dog walking service.

Jason Atwood: All right, that'll wrap up this week Facebook.com slash success. Community and and Power of Us hub. We have groups in or we post all our podcasts so you can get them there. We still post them until it dies. And we are on our review reviews in Google play, which is, I also got us into the other day, which I'll tell another story maybe, maybe a couple weeks, I'll tell. I'll tell the what I did over my August, but I got us into TuneIn, which is a big podcast network as well. And so you can subscribe and review us in iTunes, Stitcher, Google, TuneIn, and lots of other places. We'd love to see it in there. And until next week! Or the week after, I think it's the week after, is Justin and Jason saying, enjoy those cloudy days.

54:23 Justin Edelstein: Thanks for watching!