Winter 19 Time - Episode #294 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 294th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the third week of September 2018. This episode is titled Winter 19. CloudFocus Weekly is brought to you by Arkus, specializing in Salesforce implementations, consulting, and custom development. Search for Arkus, A-R-K-U-S, on the AppExchange and read what our clients have about us. I-I'm your host, and Jason Atwood joining me, co-host, 290 many times in a row. So,. I Right immediately to the just a meter because you're in one of those moods What I'm smiling?

Justin Edelstein: I don't like how your little minions Out by people your minions. Most of them who are related to relent Come come and tell you how I'm feeling during the recording of the show. Oh yeah, yeah. then there's other people who sent me emails like oh yeah he was totally I don't like that I don't you know who you are I'm going to get the mic you know stop it they're not said send it to me they're

Jason Atwood: Not afraid of you send it to me I'll take it right on the chin. Oh, I'm saying last episode you just happened to be a little grumpy. I wasn't grumpy, I was... The Just-O-Meter says points to a giggly podcast. That's good, I like it. So we got some tough to talk about. We got some purchasing. Don't even know what to say about that. We're really good to the Mark Benioff thing. Then we have two winter 19 blog posts as winter 19 flows towards us. And then we will quickly. because we do have podcasts coming up next week that will be all about Dreamforce. We're gonna do a quick one because I do wanna mention one blog post that people should go see because you need to see it before Dreamforce. So, then we'll make our picks, then we'll get outta here.

Jason Atwood: So, first up, and I guess what I would just consider strange news of the day. Yeah, I don't know if this just it just I think yeah. Yeah, I think it was over the weekend it hit up on one of my reading apparatus things. Flipboard, my favorite reading app and still better than news. And then it just showed up Mark Benioff and family. personally buy Time Magazine for what I think was like $190 million. Might have been $180 million, might have been $190 million, doesn't really matter. To which I was like, you know how you see those articles at the end of articles? It's always like, click here to see what that celebrity's done in 10 years and all those that are kind of spammy. They're basically spammy. They are. And you click on them, you bounce around 16 websites and you lose your credit score or whatever.

03:40 Jason Atwood: I mean -huh. Which I guess had a valuation, what was it, a couple years ago of?

Justin Edelstein: Someone bought it for like two billion dollars. Two, like, B billion. Like three years ago or something? I don't want to quote me on any of that, but I read up on it and then I saw that. Yeah, then you stopped reading. Yeah, I don't read. So then I saw that. Mark and fam Has has purchased it and it's like oh, I Wonder why like brand This is personal. I know so it's what I mean. Yeah, so it's not about was this a Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post. I want to own a publication thing What is this I don't know it's very odd and person of the year forever I know Mark Benioff or Astro Astro

Jason Atwood: Or late or mule soft mule or whatever the

Justin Edelstein: Talking astro namical Terrible, they gave it a last name Ali McAlph face. What was the out the out hoodie McAlph face. That's my favorite one. What do you make alphas? It's like hootie and the blowfish, but it's like hootie and the Macaul faces. I don't I'm in a much better mood today

Jason Atwood: Sadly you're making you're pissing me off Grumpy I'm just having to deal with you which you know there's other people those other people in life that that's their name Text me, know about that as well. So. I don't know, this is very odd, and it also just feels so backwards. If you said he bought a, you know, tech startup or bought a digital blog or whatever, I just said, OK, that's cool. He bought like Kickstarter. I don't know, just something. But buying Time magazine just feels so antiquated. It feels like, man, you are buying into the you are buying into the last of the buggy whip manufacturers. Like, there you go. I guess you own the last magazine that ever gets produced.

Justin Edelstein: Well, maybe he's got, I mean, it's a good brand, right? People know it as a brand. Time. Yeah. So, maybe he's gonna try to think through how he can transform another business.

Jason Atwood: Another business model and that's where I actually so this is kind of like who cares stupid, but then Just suppose that news with the news of the co-ceo and kind of made me go wait Is this like the beginning of him like going off and doing his own thing? And as a sales force person and it was in this universe That did not make me feel good. That made me sad. Yeah, made me sad. Frowny face. Grumpy cat. Grumpy Justin. Can't even say it. That was my thing. It's like time and attention. I wouldn't want him off playing with Time Magazine. I'd rather have him doing more... Just more innovative things. magazines can we just can we be done like it's over it's thanks thanks for playing all right let's move on thanks for thanks thanks Jeopardy shopping down living trees turning them into paper spraying them with ink shipping them to people so they could read them and throw them away it's just it's a great way of communicating it's great could we get to the really big news of the week I don't know what that is.

07:05 Jason Atwood: It's not on the agenda. Well then I don't. I just made it up. You made up news, fake news. No,

Justin Edelstein: Alternative facts. Okay. Here's the thing. We're gonna be recording number 295 at Dreamforce, not number 300.

Jason Atwood: Well we're gonna do like six episodes. So I actually was gonna talk to you about this before the podcast, personally, but I love just doing this on the air cause it just frustrates you so much. Thank you very much. So we have some things in the works that we are working on that are podcast specific. There's some things that we've been talking about forever. There's a fun thing we're doing. There's another fun thing. And so I think as I started to work towards it, plus Dreamforce, plus the timing of the episodes was getting was not working out. It's like, I don't know if I just want to all slam it together and try to make it. I mean, I could. We could record five podcasts today if we wanted to.

Justin Edelstein: Not that we've ever done that before, but if we would never do that ever. We would never do that. That's just a crazy talk.

Jason Atwood: It's a weekly podcast. You are out of your mind. Do not record them in advance. So the point is, I... I thought about doing that and then the more I thought about the things I wanted to do with the 300th episode and some fun things I want to do around there. Maybe some rebranding, maybe some fun like you know other things. Oh, could we finally be cloud focused whenever? and maybe a another fun thing that we might produce So like then it's like, oh, why don't we not try to do it at Dreamforce? Where are we going to be frustrated because we can't be in a place and like we can't find it's going to be terrible sound like. I don't know. So I think I have now a list of five things I want to do for 300 episode.

Jason Atwood: So I think we're going to push that out because I want them to be done. I know about none of these. I know. Because I just came up with them today. Oh, good. Well. more than you know about because I've shown it to you, but two of them, I've been just working on the background without you. Oh, cool. I love when that happens. Actually, dude, just like, oh, here. All right. Well, you know that right. I'm not buying Time magazine, so I have lots of extra time to do these things.

Justin Edelstein: Time. Get it. Time. I got it. You got lots of time. I got all the time in the world. All time. Time in the world.

Jason Atwood: But I do want to mention, by the way, that I did tweet this out the other day. For all you Apple watch users, please update to the newest Apple watch iOS watch OS 5 because you can now listen to podcasts on your watch Welcome. I love how Apple you want to get you grumpy really quick No, no, no something that never worked before that was more as going made it the greatest thing ever Apple is going pro podcast where Salesforce is going So Pro Podcast.

Justin Edelstein: Even though there's a lot of Salesforce Podcasts and Salesforce makes their own, I'm doing it. Okay. It's not really like a meetup, meetup, meetup. It's everybody's going to find a time to meet on their own with Melinda Smith of the Two with podcasts and I guess she's just gonna record some stuff ask a couple questions, whatever, and then there'll be a podcast of podcasts. That was very meta.

10:27 Jason Atwood: Very. Let's move on. So, in the midst of, I will say, for our blog master, who's no longer you, and who helps with the blog, has blogging. This has been a tough season, because... when winter and Dreamforce are colliding, which they are, and they're colliding fast, it's hard to get out enough content about Dreamforce, which we're doing a lot of Dreamforce, and about winter. So we only have two blog posts, I think, so far. I actually went back in our blog and I found one only about five weeks ago. That was about summer. It was like falling up on summer stuff. So we have two, we'll go over them. One by you. Yours, funny enough, which is the rapid reaction came after Winter 19 release highlights, which is by Ryan Owens, talking about, again, some of the highlights of winter, which is, I will tell you, there are times when I'm very on it with release notes and releases, and I'm like, I read through the 500 notes, and I'm really paying attention.

Jason Atwood: Thank you for watching! This is not one of those times. I was in the org the other day and in some org, I was like, click, click. Oh, wait, it's here. And then I started playing around, but I have not read the waste notes. It's actually on my Dreamforce to-do list on my seven hour fight. So I will, I'm just as amused to read these with you as you are to read them with me.

Justin Edelstein: I went to the, I went to one of the webinars, I think it was yesterday. It was the... platform release readiness live. So it's not really a webinar. I guess they record them, but it's live on on Salesforce dot com. and it was interesting watching the platform one at least. I mean, I can talk about that or we can go through these blog posts. Well, talk about it. So we'll also talk with the blog post, but OK. Yeah, I mean. Mean, I didn't. I don't really take notes, but I will tell you that they were talking about Lightning Platform And they focused a lot of time on the screen density stuff So that's in the blog post so we can kind of stop right there and say alright That's in the blog post and you'll be able to as an administrator set the default to either like cozy or compact or whatever they're calling them.

Justin Edelstein: I think think that's what they're calling them. That is it. User themselves will be able to have their own little.

Jason Atwood: I was so happy to see that, because as we know, my blog post, top 10 things, keep me out of lightning. Got me lots of visibility. I got a lot of pinks from a lot of different project managers saying,gress, hey, our product to owners. Hey, let's talk about this. And got on the call with one of them to talk about certain things. They showed me that. Love what they did. Feel like they fumbled at the goal line though when they did the UI piece of it. That the, it should be a simple fix, but they left the line to all the data. Yeah. Which in classic it's right aligned.

13:29 Justin Edelstein: Yeah, well, no, that's incorrect. In classic the field label is right aligned and the data is left aligned. That's correct. So that the so that they're like right next to each other. Now they're both left aligned and I've actually gotten the complaint from people. Hey, can you let way back in classic days way way back in the wayback machine? Hey, can you make it so that they're both left aligned because this looks weird to me where the fields Don't where the field names the labels don't start in the same place So it's hard for me to read what the labels are right? So I think that that's a like personal preference of yours and that you've been used to seeing the Salesforce UI be the way it is in classic.

Jason Atwood: I stare at Salesforce data for the last 18 years and I can tell you there's a reason to it. I, I, again, I'm a study of one.

Justin Edelstein: I'm not. Well, that's what I mean. You're a study of one, but you're making universal statements like they messed up the UI.

Jason Atwood: I think they did in your opinion. I think they did. Well, anything that I say is pretty much my opinion in your opinion. Yes. That's why when I say in your opinion when you say it it's your opinion only. Yeah when you're scanning data it's easier to your eyes when they're scanning data is easier to have a track to go down and To be able to go back and forth and look because what you're looking for are field value pairs I don't get deep in this, but like, you're looking for data and value data, value data, value data, and you're trying to look through them. And so it's easier to do that if they're next to each other, than if your eye has to flip between some amount of white space that could be a long piece of white space or short to get back to the data.

Jason Atwood: So your data has to go this way, you know, way over and then back to see it. It doesn't make sense. The other thing I would say is Listen, it was in classic that way forever. I've never seen, I've been on the app, the ID exchange forever. I've never seen that ID exchange exchange.

Justin Edelstein: I've personally gotten that feedback on more than one occasion though. It's like, wait a minute, why is this like this other form tools and other form data is not like this.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, I don't know. It's just fine. I don't know. Cozy looks better. I would say cozy looks better great than making an admin feature love that

Justin Edelstein: And they showed screenshots of like there three screens that were overlaid. It was like the clock. It was the same record, but in classic in lightning. I guess. Whatever it is, the the the way it is today and the comfort and then and then they showed the new one, the more dense. And it did have. Just as much data above the fold as classic did so Yay, but then you can drop components on the page to expose even more data That is more rich, and they were showing how the compact layouts are getting a little upgrade and getting nicer when you drop like drop something on on Like one of those record updates actions that you might drop on a page where you're just looking at like one record that you're looking up To and show

16:39 Jason Atwood: More data now There's a lot of things that they didn't like that one The card view but only lightning first came out and everything was stacked in these cards and we said that tiles But they still have that that's a choice I know but it felt like it was one of those choices like why'd you make the hard choice and then have to reverse it? I don't know. That one it may say it's great. So density settings. Now I'm saying winter.

Justin Edelstein: Tons of flow. Tons of flow. Man, were they showing off flow like it was the best thing since sliced bread. I. I'm not a member of the Flo Hana. I am not a Flo-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n- I'm not a- Proliterate. I'm not Flo-literate and I'm not even a Fl-F-Flamatic. What are they? Fl-Natic? Fl-Master? Fl-Natic? Fl-Natic. Fl-Natic? Yeah, like a fanatic.

Jason Atwood: Yes. Anyway, I'm not a part of that. We have developers who break code.

Justin Edelstein: But at the same time, they were showing some pretty neat stuff with Flow and how it can integrate into like snapping components on communities and can act as a like a Flow bot. and integrated with their Einstein bots. A flot and showing how it can integrate with like Twilio for SMS or sending out emails doing better data validation on the front end of the flow screens. The flow designer not going to be GA, not going to make it, but they showed how like he showed one flow that had one step in it. in the designer that currently exists that loads in Flash, you refresh the screen, it had only one step in it, and it took, he counted it off, like six seconds to load the screen. In Flash? Yeah, because it was all I a He loaded in the new flow builder, which I'm sure was on some souped up, or running somewhere with tons of steps in it.

Justin Edelstein: He refreshed it and it was like instant. That'll be nice for people's product. They're working with working. within the flow designer and it even looks a lot Marry them. They're pretty well married. They're just one calls the other two different tools to build two of the

Jason Atwood: Same to do similar types well process builders process builder to me is more like workflow and

Justin Edelstein: Work flow is more like flow without work. No Flow is very intense. Like you're not building a flow for like a field update.

Jason Atwood: You're not building a flow for something like that. I honestly wouldn't even do that in the process, because I can do it faster, easier in workflow, which I know they don't want us to do anymore, but that seems to be this. It's kind of like when you had, you have documents, attachments, notes. And you have all these things and you're like, well, you know, has like buying them Mm.

19:55 Justin Edelstein: Troubleshooting because they're both yeah they have that too coming actually i think that was part of the summer release a little bit better handling on the error side i think that's where where admins will get in trouble with Process Builder and with Flow, because you do have to think. handling and think more like a developer or an engineer with Flow because you you

Jason Atwood: And of yet they are replacing it with a search. Which we were going back and forth on saying, I agree, search is great. But I think we had a couple examples. One example, I was like, oh, it doesn't do this, and it did. And then another example, I was like,

Justin Edelstein: Oh, it So it does tell you which fields it will not search through if you're looking at a certain list view, like opportunities they were using as an example. So it doesn't search through essentially anything that's not indexed. So pick list fields, it's not going to search through. certain lookups. No lookups it does. Date fields. I don't think it will allow you surf to do anything with like search for a date field but that isn't really useful with the Rolodex either. They did talk about at one point why search as opposed to the Rolodex and apparently the Rolodex was really hard to maintain in. in multilingual works. Oh, that's interesting. So it's like really difficult to maintain that and understand what locale and language the user who's looking at it is in. They do different, you know, that's really hard thing to maintain.

Justin Edelstein: That was the interesting thing.

Jason Atwood: I actually didn't sign NDAs or anything. So I'll just talk about it. a social interesting thing, talking about the Salesforce product managers about... So of course I put out this blog post, I got all this feedback, hate mail, I didn't get a hate mail. And one of the things was talking about a feature that was missing from opportunities and I said well but here's this thing that you know is it's been around for 10 years, it's highly usable. and And I think the understanding that I took away when talking to the person about it, which I thought was good, it gave me a little bit more of, okay, you're not just being, and just not, you're just not ignoring the fact, but you're thinking through it, which was in classic, there are tons and tons and tons of very specific pieces of functionality that only exist.

23:16 Jason Atwood: Objects and certain like even a sub-op like a sub related list off this object and They said well as we redesign lightning from the ground up, you know, it's this new UI We decided that we're not gonna do that. We're not gonna build stuff That's just for this one sub case because we're either going to make it something that's platform that works on everything Mm-hmm, or or we're gonna figure out a different way to do it. Mm-hmm and So the sorting on products was the thing. And I or they're not doing it. So because it's a related list. That's it. There's no in classic. It's very specific thing to that. They custom coded.

Justin Edelstein: It's they're not doing that enlightening because where else can you sort of. Why don't they just. Why don't they just build their own component for sorting products?

Jason Atwood: That's what they did in classic and they won't do that. Why? Because they won't. I just said it to you and you just agreed with me, now you're disagreeing with me because they don't want to make specialized hacks because it's not just it's not a hack. No, no, no. It's not just for sorting the way you're thinking about it. It's not just a component to do it. It is also the capturing of that data in the background and they don't want to get in the point of having specialized things. Again, it's either platform or it's not.

Justin Edelstein: So that's why. Sorting on products, sorting products, sorting products. Rate less. products. Wait, this. So are sales processes going away?

Jason Atwood: No. Why do those exist? Well, this is the thing. In the background, there is... And they had some hacks.

Justin Edelstein: Why do support processes exist?

Jason Atwood: We have record types. We don't need those things. That's right, because that's not a UI thing, though. This is a UI thing. It's lightning. It's a little silly. No, it made sense. Am I unhappy with it? I'm unhappy with it because we have a process that's built around it. Lots of people do and they're saying, we're not moving because of this. They came up with a solution that they're going to look into again. How about just add them in the order that you added them in? because you go through that thing and you add the main issue really is that that sort number and then we're getting deep into sorting on products but the issue is that isn't API available.

Justin Edelstein: Should be API available. Come on API first people. Talk to Adam Tormund next time you design something. Ooh Adam Tormund is a little bit on my s-list. Just saying. All right, let's move on. That was so- Good thing he doesn't listen to this. No, he doesn't.

Jason Atwood: Well, it's not him specifically, but we were talking about, let's talk about when we get to Dreamforce. All right, so what else? When did you come up with your instant reaction?

Justin Edelstein: Rapid reaction that was after- Do we get through, do we get through- We picked a couple, yeah. I don't even think we did, but anyway, whatever.

Jason Atwood: Let's pick two. So you wrote one then called Salesforce Winter 19 Release Rapid Reaction. Great. Publish a 9.6. I love we can see the published date now. That's awesome. So good. By you. Let's pick two of them S there's a bunch. It's all on blog.arkusinc.com.

26:32 Justin Edelstein: Why don't we pick two? We kind of talked about a bunch of these already.

Jason Atwood: Well, I think there's one that's kind of interesting. Which one? You talk about it if you think it's interesting. Oh, I think the learn why you're your users are switching back. Oh, that's on Ryan's. No, this is on yours.

Justin Edelstein: You're looking at Ryan's. I was looking at Ryan's. You're the best. OK. Yes.

Jason Atwood: Learn why. Can we talk about the ones that was his because that's the one we just did. Right. Got it. OK.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. Learn why users are switching back. Why don't you tell them.

Jason Atwood: I think that's interesting. I had a client come to me the other day and said, can I get some reporting on this? Like why are people switching back and forth? You know, it's great.

Justin Edelstein: So do you know how this is gonna work? I think, well no, I've read the release notes. It was on the webinar yesterday, so I can talk a little bit. There'll be a form. Right. So when you switch back, whoa, why don't you knock some stuff over? Okay. Studio's intact. It is, and we're still recording. So that's good. That's a good thing. And the room goes still on the ceiling. Excellent, that hasn't fallen yet. So when you switch from Lightning back to Classic, if this, is configured, you will be asked, hey, why are you switching? And what will happen is the answer will be published to a public chatter group. And then someone will be monitoring that chatter group. and we'll be able to either respond or others will also be able to jump in and be like, I'm having the same problem.

Justin Edelstein: I'm, I work around this chatter group in success. No, no, no, no, in this is in your work. Oh, in your work. Okay. You, the people who are listening to this podcast, okay, presumably you Salesforce can set this up for yourself. You'll have to set up a chatter group. or it'll set it up automatically, however that works, and then whatever you pump into the form, it's just going to post to this group, and then you're going to be able to collaborate on it over there. So that's what they've done. Yeah, that was not good. Apparently, this worked very well internally at Salesforce, so that's how they're rolling it out.

Jason Atwood: Just as a note, and I've done this a couple of times, I was given this hint the other day as well, and I don't know if I'm- being a naughty boy here. Naughty, naughty. If you want to get some feedback and you want to get it to Salesforce and have someone care about it, under the help menu, enlightening, give feedback about Salesforce, that link. They really get back to you very quickly. I've had multiple people come back to me very quickly about that. Apparently it goes right to them. So there you go, use that link.

Justin Edelstein: Oh cool. I mean, I've never seen people. It goes right to CEO at salesforce.com. No, that person would never respond. It goes to people who are owner of Time magazine. It goes to the co-ceo Is there co-ceo until first there is?

29:32 Jason Atwood: There probably is we should send an email to co-hyphen. All right, any more of satellite lightning No, okay. We'll move on.

Justin Edelstein: I mean not lightning winter I mean, I think that they're closing some gaps. That's all. I think that's a good thing. And they're adding some good stuff for administrators as well.

Jason Atwood: And the talk with the internal people is that they are really, really still focused on speed, which to me is massive. Yeah, fast, fast, fast. Speed and bugs, kids. Speed and bugs. Speed and bugs. Speed and bugs, peeps. Keep it moving.

Justin Edelstein: Speaking of speed and bugs, all right. Speaking of. Let's talk about Dreamforce. Dreamforce.

Jason Atwood: So the reason we're going to be a Dreamforce of... Huh? Told you of. Lit and out. And what's the other one? I don't know. I'm so hip. I'm so cool.

Justin Edelstein: You have a child of age that would say words like that. totes. I don't know.

Jason Atwood: So, but and we're gonna talk about Dreamforce there, but we just published a blog post called Arkus at Dreamforce 18. And the reason I need to talk about this is because it does have all the things. So again, by the time we podcast about Dreamforce, we'll be at Dreamforce, it'll be too late for this. So I'm gonna bring it out now. It's up on the blog post. Blog.argaecysync.com Is by Catherine and it has tons and tons and tons of places to go to find us or to go to presentations. I mean, it's sort of like just a lot of fun stuff. It does call us out for being at certain places. It calls out whatever it does say to follow us on Twitter. Cause when we. when we podcast we might announce that.

Jason Atwood: So anyway, tons of places, go read that. I'm not gonna go through it because it's a little self-promotional, but if you're looking for that. Lots and lots and lots of stuff.

Justin Edelstein: Lots and lots of stuff. I mean, we're everywhere. We are everywhere. And there's stuff in here I don't even think that are necessarily. Covered like I know lots of people are volunteering at lots of different Community booths. Oh, yeah, not so you'll find our keys everywhere. Yes All right.

Jason Atwood: And then lastly Oh, I want to say that was my dream force my little dream force thing and I had this moment I know sometimes, maybe I get grumpy cat of the day. I had this moment the other day as I was doing, oh, I know, we have a little internal competition at Arquis. We do? Well, they've made it a competition. Who's they? Some trailblazers. Oh yeah. They were going back and forth about their badges. And we've had two people, we're not gonna call them out, whatever, but two people have been really going back and forth to see who has the most badges. I think one now has two 40. me. Anyway, it was just back and forth and back and forth and one went up and the other one, the other one, and I'll be able to.

Jason Atwood: So anyway, in Slack the other day they were going back and forth and having fun about it and apparently it was like, you know, check the scoreboard and then the other person had surpassed the first person again. So it was very funny.

Justin Edelstein: Then they mic dropped and then they took the mic and threw it out the window. So then... I went, I went, because I was looking, looking at their profiles on,

32:40 Jason Atwood: Which I love, my, the Trailhead profile, and I was looking at their profiles and I was like, Oh, yeah, this looks so cool. I can see, you know, how many, how many they have. I went to mine, that's so cool. And then all of a sudden it hit me like a brick. It's like, Wait, where's my Trailhead? We've heard nothing about is that in winter 19 notes yeah, but

Justin Edelstein: You know it's in a lot of the dreamforce marketing materials my trailhead my

Jason Atwood: Everything everything yeah, it it just kind of got me pissed off. I'm have a little gr. Grumpy cat moment I'm like here. We are a year later. I'm not even a year, but getting up on a year And this thing that they I was like and we tweeted about it so you know getting you know going going grumpy cat on twitter it's like what they gotta stop this they gotta stop this i can we please have a dream forest remember they announced things that are within the year of dream force remember

Justin Edelstein: When dream forest used to just like this time coincide with release notes always and you'd get there and they'd announce Like next week, right when winter oh eight hits your instance without you needing to do any upgrades and we're not going to break anything and there's no software to install and no patch Tuesday or whatever they did. It's like go in there and turn on. your conditional sharing rules and like standing ovation, you know, like all conditional

Jason Atwood: Sharing rules, if type equals this, share with them. That's my question to you. What Dreamforce started the announcement? Well, we'll think about this for next episode, but what Dreamforce started that path down the announcement not being.

Justin Edelstein: Like that when it was the news when they went when they went to the mobile stuff. Do you remember when I had a podcast? Let's go. Yeah, but the next podcast will be actually. I know. We're going to be drinking so much cool labor. Just going to be talking about the best thing ever. No, we're talking about the release for two years. Talk about the date.

Jason Atwood: Talking on the day of. All right. Let's make our picks. Oh, picks time.

Justin Edelstein: Let's do it. That was me being not grumpy. Jeez. All right. I'm gonna pick a product called Give Lively.

Jason Atwood: Okay, two words, but there you are. What was this one you were talking to me about the other day?

Justin Edelstein: I talked to you about lots of things on lots of days, but potentially, yes. So Give Lively is, it is, okay, cool. So Give Lively is a platform for fundraising. online fundraising specifically. Currently they have donation pages, so multiple create as many campaigns multiple donation pages as you'd like You can do peer-to-peer You can do text to donate. So if you're at an event you can put up a little shortcode You know text Arkus to 12345 and you'll be able to give a quick note on that. It's not a direct, you know, when you're watching like a timely hurricane news and it's like, you know, text whatever it is to the Red Cross and it'll make a $10 donation. So that's a deal with the. with the like Verizon and AT&T and all them.

36:26 Justin Edelstein: This is a little different the way that their text to donate works because they don't have the whole deal with their carrier. What happens is you text and then they respond immediately with a link that you click and then it's like, boom, you just donate. So it's just a quick way to get to a donation page on your mobile device. Anyway. So this is an it's a really nice product work standalone has an integration with Salesforce I've heard of this and it's totally free and it will be free in Perpetuity how for any nonprofit they did that because they are founded by by philanthropists themselves who said, how can we make an impact in this world? Well, instead of just giving a whole lot of money to a whole lot of different organizations, why don't we create a way for them to do that themselves in a very scalable way and in a way that will grow with them as opposed to just giving them a one time gift.

Justin Edelstein: So they've created a software company that the philanthropists... cover all the operational costs of the engineering and the marketing and the what have you of rolling out this product. So doubly good works integrates with Salesforce. I've seen it done it implemented it the whole nine. They're great people. The folks that work at give lively. They're awesome. and they have it pledged on their website. You can read their pledge. This is our pledge. This will be free forever. So it's really awesome, awesome company, Give Lively. Check it out at givelively.org. There you go.

Jason Atwood: Mine is by a very awesome, awesome company. They're small though, they're getting started. That's all for today. We'll see you next week. Just to start out. Just to start up there. In a garage somewhere in Silicon Valley.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, two guys,

Jason Atwood: Two Steves. So this is for all of you who, before you head to Dreamforce. I always find that, that these updates come while I'm at Dreamforce. I'm always trying trying to update my phone. So angry about it. Like, should I upgrade? Should I just... The phone needs to work. I think the computer one is coming. while at Dreamforce. That's not happening for me. I'm doing it.

Justin Edelstein: I'm crazy. I'm doing it. I always wait for you to do the upgrades so that I can get the like, don't do it or do it.

Jason Atwood: So iOS 12 came out for 15 billion iOS people. Lots of nice new stuff. You know lots of things, but one thing said doesn't come out with the iOS 12, but is sort of only available on iOS 12 It's a little weird. They generally don't do this. I don't know why they did it this way like a dot release No, it's an app that you doesn't come out Anyways, it's called Siri shortcuts and the you got to download the app from the app store Oh, they didn't just push it to you They normally do that when I push the u2 album. It was like don't ever do that again. Yeah, but that was like That was putting content on the device. This is like an app. So you go, you download the app. Series shortcuts allows you to it is they bought a company.

39:50 Jason Atwood: And that's maybe why they didn't didn't have time building the OS, whatever. But they do the automation very much like if if this and that. But has low level iOS or, you know, OS level controls where you can set up. things to happen and you put them into scenes and then you can pour these these shortcuts they call them and then you put These shortcuts right on your you know Notification center wherever you want you can just get to them with one click and then they do a whole bunch of things They can text people they can send on emails. They can get into maps. They can open up apps They can do all sorts of things and then application application developers can enable it. So you can throw things in. So really, really cool.

Jason Atwood: It's kind of like having automator, which is on the, I remember automator. It's still around, which I don't use. Really? It's still there. But I think on a phone somehow shortcuts seems to make more sense. Oh, wow. Automator's still in this OS. Yeah, say this. Who uses that? I wonder. I don't know. Anyway, Siri shortcuts. Then the thing is you can name them and then you can call to them from Siri, which is the thing. It seems good. No, you are definitely taking 1. I'll just buy everyone. Alright, well, follow us on all these normal places. I don't wanna get a TSA. That one doesn't get the TSA. That one just gotta take out. Just hold it. can't say what. at Just At All Scene, at Jason Atwood, at Arca Sync, we're on the Facebook, we're on the Success Community and Powerless Group hubs.

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