Virtual Everything - Episode #314 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:11 Jason Atwood: This is the 314th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the second week of May. It's gonna be May 2020. This episode is titled virtual everything crowd focused week was brought to you by the permission by our kids now rewritten in lightning, NASA sign and revoke Salesforce permission sets. It truly is precision precision. Permission sets made easy. Not easy for me to say though, available for free on the app exchange or go to the permissioner.com thebemissioner.com. I'm your host, Jason Atwood, joining me, co-host, 314 times in a row, with his crazy hair as mine is Justin. Justin, how you doing today?

Justin Edelstein: Ah, I need a haircut in the worst way. Look at this. This is out of control, isn't it? Pretty bad. I was on a call earlier, a video call, and someone had said, so when is that going into a manban? I was like, oh, I don't know about that one.

Jason Atwood: Many, many months to get it right. I'll give it a shot. I don't know what I'm doing. Many, many, many months. There's no man bun for until a long, long time from now.

Justin Edelstein: Very much looking forward to it. I mean, the length is getting pretty darn long. Look at that. It's down in my face.

Jason Atwood: This is pre-surgery, right? This is pre-surgical.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. Yeah, so I got a haircut right before I had surgery, which was... Now looking back two and a half months ago. So this is two and a half months of, I mean, look at the back of this thing. I could definitely go get a mullet if I wanted to just for fun. Maybe you'll get a mullet then take like some. passport photos, style of photos, right? You know, so that they can those can be used for official things moving.

Jason Atwood: Yep. Like drivers licenses and whatnot. What do you think is discussed more? Everybody's haircuts, Tiger King, or zoom? Like what do you think of those of the COVID-19 thing? What do you think? Like, it's not it's not Tiger King Tiger Kings on the bottom.

Justin Edelstein: Probably just Zoom, Zoom, I don't know, Zoom, everyone, let's go Zoom, it's like, we're not Zooming, we're actually doing something else, but sure, it's like Googling, is Zoom gonna now win, cause like they're the verb, that's it?

Jason Atwood: They, they have, if I were go to meeting or a Web X or hangouts, I would be like, why didn't I get the, like, why didn't I get the everybody use my thing immediately? Cause you weren't free.

Justin Edelstein: I guess that's it. because they were 40 minutes of free, just top on and maybe it zoom bombed.

Jason Atwood: We did look at zoom like a couple times during our you know, when we evaluate software and we used to use WebEx. WebEx. Then we went to WebEx and go to meeting and then I was the last holdout because I worked with some financial firms that wouldn't use GoToMeeting wasn't secure enough... But there were just too many articles about about exploits about problems on OSX about viruses about insecurity and i mean now i actually think it be back to most companies are using zoom but back then i just i was worried that piece of software we go okay. client, here's our thing. And they'd go, yeah, we're not using that, because that's a piece of crap. And then we'd go, Oh, what do we do now? So definitely. I will say having used Zoom a lot more than I've ever, so I've actually been using it for personal stuff,

04:29 Justin Edelstein: Pretty close. Yeah, I mean, we do our Friday night date night on FaceTime. And it just works fine. Yeah. And there's just the three couples. It's perfect. One time it wasn't working great, so we hopped on my go-to meeting. I was like, yeah, hop on my go-to, it'll work just fine. So that's kind of the backup plan. But,.. I've been quite enjoying the Google Meet experience at Hangouts. Yeah, well, I think it's called Meet now, as opposed to like Hangouts. I don't know what they, I don't know what they maybe they're just stuck in the middle of a branding thing, but they threw some nice things on like the Gmail interface, there's a quick start a meeting button. Like you're just in Gmail, you click the button and boom, brand new hangout and you just send the link to whoever you want, you're up and running.

Justin Edelstein: So for me is abuse. It's just really simple. And it does the like, I see you, you see me, I can share a screen if I want to, and we can talk. And there's a phone number you can dial into. To me, that's like the bare minimum.

Jason Atwood: Does it, it doesn't work outside of the browser, right? It doesn't have its own app.

Justin Edelstein: Not that I know of. It does on like iOS and Android. I think it's pretty awful on iOS. I'm sure it's probably better on Android, but it's not a great mobile app.

Jason Atwood: That's, you know, if we were to evaluate, evaluate them, I'd want to go through. You know, because I have used, I used GoToMeeting the other day on my phone. And it's great.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, it was really good on the mobile.

Jason Atwood: It was like, it was great. The dial-in, the listening, I could switch, you can actually flip between the people and the slides. And it was pretty good. I will say, this has brought up, and I was just having this conversation with a friend this morning about sort of the, the First of all, it's just been funny to watch so many people who clearly have never used conference software ever. And now they're all having to and just, how do I do this? And how do I do that? Just just it's just funny watching, again, especially with the personal stuff, people just don't- don't know how to use stuff. And for us, I mean, we've been using, I mean, at least 10 years at Arkus. And then before that, we were using WebEx and stuff like that for at least another 10?

Jason Atwood: Five? Just five. But then the video thing. So, you know, at Arkus, not having really, you know, having been using software forever and really basically computers didn't really have video cameras in them since the time. Like it wasn't automatic that you had a video camera. And as we've gone on as sort of an Arkus thing, we just don't do video. that we just haven't done it and, you know, not really into... it not really put that front and forward and said, this is something that we do or do not do, but we just haven't. And so of course now with this COVID thing and everybody using it, everybody doing these Zooms and everybody doing the videos and the commercials and everybody starting to use video a lot more sort of professionally and personally. And I've been kind of like, you know, part of me kind of, some part of me likes it, like right now we're doing a little video and seeing each other.

07:43 Jason Atwood: But then part of me thinks it's like anything. There's a time and a place for a phone call. There's a time and a place for in-person meeting. There's a time and a place for a video call. There's a time and a place. for not. And we were out having this conversation with this person, this friend today, I was just kind of going through this, like, there are times where video isn't the best, right? low bandwidth, it uses a lot of bandwidth to keep video going. Times where, you know, I think there's also this weird social pressure thing of everybody's got to share the video. Whereas some people might have social anxiety and might not have that feeling of like, I want to be at seven in the morning on a camera with all these people looking.

Jason Atwood: Had a scenario the other day where another friend approached me that there was a big issue in their company because some person in marketing took a shot of the Zoom meeting and posted it to their Facebook. page. Sure. So imagine we're all on an internal meeting, someone from marketing takes a shot of our yeah,

Justin Edelstein: No, I'm not. I said, Sure. Yeah, no, it's not a good thing. I agree. Yeah. So it's interesting happens. I've seen it all over like on Twitter, you go on Twitter, and it's like, look at this zoom calls on to them. Like, I would never do that. But okay, teach, teach Oh no, that one. Better make sure there's nothing sensitive on that. on that screen or whatever. And I've also seen the, well, not recently, but when this whole thing first started and everyone was getting used to working from home, there were a bunch of like funny Zoom videos out there.

Jason Atwood: People aren't- Right, the hug's been coming out behind. Yeah,

Justin Edelstein: Like- The cat jumping on it. Someone takes it to the bathroom with them and doesn't realize they're on video. It's like, Come on, can you... Do better please.

Jason Atwood: Oh yeah, the rules of working from home. My wife is working from home now, obviously, everybody is. And I was out getting a cup of coffee and I'm in my MVP hoodie here. And what's the undershirt? Oh, it's a triathlon. And, you know, not just for success, definitely, at nine in the morning. And I'm out getting coffee, so she sits in the dining room, not facing the kitchen, so it's not like the camera is shooting right down. But I know I'm off camera, in other words, so I'm making my coffee. But I hear them talking, and then, because of course it's on the Zoom, and it's all being loud, and so I hear her having this conversation with all the work people, some of which I know. And... And then she's telling a story about me and she's like, Jake, does it Jake and does it and this and this we did last night and he had this and so of course I just walked right over in frame right behind her with my coffee like and then they're all like, Hi, Jake, how are you?

Jason Atwood: And I'm like, Hey guys, it's just so weird. Imagine me, imagine me just showing up to her office walking into the conference room and like in a sweatshirt and just like with my coffee cup. Hey guys. What's going on in here?

Justin Edelstein: You know, we've had. Had it internally to where we're having meetings and it's there's the cat. Right? There's the dog the cool. Yeah. All right.

10:51 Jason Atwood: That's when I think the video. So that's. What I would kind of go with it is I think video is really good when you're having that type of meeting when it's a personal sociable. We're catching up where we're talking about, you know, sort of. more the social aspect of being. So the water core, right? Then that's good. Cause then being distracted by the dog or the kid, whatever, who cares? I find not so helpful when you're in the, we're actually trying to get work done. We're trying to present. We're trying to discuss something really important. You can see all these hundreds of faces all looking, like I think there was a distraction level to it that people are looking at, who's that behind there? Ooh, look at their cat.

Justin Edelstein: I'll tell you from my own perspective that if you're on a if you're on a sales call and you're really hard you know because sometimes you want to pace you want to walk around you want to be googling something on the side you want to be

Jason Atwood: And Like we all collaborate in a doc at the same time. We have a chat going on the side and then we have someone taking notes. Like. Like even now we're collaborating in a doc about this episode. Whereas having to kind of have to be paying that questions with look video is good, but it's not always good. I I'm not turning on my video. Nope. I just went for a run for the other day and I was absolutely sweating and just like I'm not turning on my video. No thank you. That's not helping me. It's a no for you. I don't mind at all. I don't care no shame.

Justin Edelstein: I don't. Hey, you wanna see me? Fine. time. This is the deal. Yeah, you're going to see me like this then.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, it's not happening for everybody.

Justin Edelstein: By the way, on this software that we're using, Squadcast, it says our names, and below you it says your name, and below me it says...

Jason Atwood: Something not my name. I think that's because when I filled it out. It's a great experience. I think it's a great experience. I think it's a great experience. First But it's just gonna kind of spark us to kind of think about things that have happened, right? And so some of the blog posts we're gonna talk of and get into a little bit, others were not because they're like deep. So we're gonna say, here you should go read and here's why. Or we might say, ooh, this is one we're gonna, and we're only gonna go back to. We're a go back to I I a think the last time we actually podcasted. So yes, that is back in 2019 with a blog post by Berkeley. And again, these are all and I won't say it over and over again, but all on arca-sync.com slash blog or blog that arca-sync.com.

15:15 Jason Atwood: We're doing that. And you can go forward or backwards. Well, again, they're just it's just it's to read out the thing and then to spark.

Justin Edelstein: Discussion and then we'll travel with a question and then we'll keep going. So I wrote it and it was published April 14th 2013.

Jason Atwood: Wow. So seven years ago. And still read quite a bit. Yeah, I mean, still to this day, people still land on it. So again, that changed much.

Justin Edelstein: True record really haven't changed. I mean, lightning changed a little bit with the record with the record pages but I don't know, not much has changed.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, well, if you want to learn how they're explained or how they work, again, record types are probably one of of the top 10 most powerful features besides like custom objects. I mean, it's up there. It's pretty powerful. the great way to segment data. So like one of the things if you're looking at a ways to segment data out. Record types are a great way to segment because you can always get to that thing to segment them out, meaning either reporting or filters or stuff like that.

Justin Edelstein: The way that it was explained to me very early on when I was learning Salesforce and had no concept of what an object or a record type or even a record was, And I was learning about record types. It was explained to me as, think of this as a very specific business process that is running through this object. So for each object that you have, let's use cases as an example, you might have three or four different types of cases that run through different processes. record types help to facilitate that.

Jason Atwood: They certainly do. The next two I'm going to bundle together because they're a part one and a part two. And these are readers. These are not talkers, these are readers. So Mario writes a double post, which you can actually get to both of them now because they're both available. Admin tools versus coding, data loader and the secret of the anti-join part one and part two. So... Again, that is a reader that's not a talker. Mario does like his sort of long form, I would call the long form blog post. And then Amy wrote in still not even 2020 yet, getting things done as a new parent, one of my favorite, first of all, topics ever, you know, you know, me love me love GTD a long time. What I thought was a good take out of this and you should read the whole thing.

18:36 Jason Atwood: But what I really liked about this was... her sort of take on GTD when you have limited time. How do you get through, how do you get through some of the things that GTD makes? Not makes you do, but are part of the process, like a weekly review, which can be a timely thing. It can be an hour, it can be two hours. Sometimes it can be longer. How do you get to that when you are a new parent and you don't have chunks of two hours that you want to be doing it? So, there's some great advice in there. I suggest you go. Grab that one and read it find it on the blog. All right, I think we get this into 2020 yet. Nope Then next up Eva writes on tips and tricks to land a job in the Salesforce ecosystem.

Jason Atwood: That's a good one It's always nice again. We talk a lot about so this is like on the softer side of things So if you're looking to go and job in Salesforce ecosystem, I think there's lots of places that talk, but she writes up a nice blog on it and how to get there how to get from here to there in the system. I always say I say this to everybody I meet, I do the like where to spend your time and attention. Like if you're looking at building your Salesforce experience, because basically people are hiring people because put 20% of your time into Trailhead, 30% of your time into certifications and 50% of your time into experience. Obviously that 50% is tough, but if you wanna break it down, like you got a 10 hour period of time, that's where I focus my time.

Jason Atwood: Cause that's what when we look at stuff, we kinda look at those buckets and they're all important, but experience is really the biggest one. Yes, no. Sure, experience. Can't beat it. Let's talk about your predictions Oh, oh, about 2010 years in a row now.

Justin Edelstein: Yep. Yeah, yeah. You know what, you know, it is really interesting. You have this, you have this one, confidence level three, by the way, climate crisis collides. If 2019 taught us anything, the world is still very much divided on the climate crisis. I predict that 2020 starts off the decade with tragedy and acceptance. I think. Thank you. Not a winner loser. You did this to us. How dare you?

Jason Atwood: I'm sorry about that. That's funny.

Justin Edelstein: That's very funny. Do not accept this. It is time for the population to get behind the cause.

Jason Atwood: Well, if I'd said global pandemic, we've all been very happy. I'm happy too.

Justin Edelstein: Oh man. That's a good one. That one. I'm gonna leave that one.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, leave that for itself. Next up, Berkeley again, writing Constituent Wars Part One.

21:37 Justin Edelstein: This was his Star Wars theme thing that he was trying to do. He's got like a Star Wars. He's going to do a Razor's Edge. themed Star Wars arc blog post series thing.

Jason Atwood: So we just had our webinar that actually Berkeley did on it. You can, I think, find that somewhere on our website, maybe on our Twitter. We got to figure out how to populate that because you'll be able to go and read and do the recorded version of it. But Berkeley is known for his... Razor's Edge experience and his Razor's Edge ability to get you off of it. How to get yourself off of it. So if you're looking at save me Razor's Edge relationships translate Salesforce, go hit up that one. Then Aaron writes,

Justin Edelstein: Where's your gonna really go through all these like one by one

Jason Atwood: Well, we only have, how many more do we have? Only like- So many. Two more pages. All right, well, what do you want to do? You want to pick some that you, I thought I was gonna hit some big ones. All right. Hit some big ones then. No, that's too much for you. It's a lot. There's a blog, go read it. But I was going to highlight some.

Justin Edelstein: All right, highlight some more. All right, well then I'll highlight. I like Aaron's. You just started on Aaron's. Which one? She wrote a few.

Jason Atwood: Which one? I was going with, where do you go for help when the Salesforce administrator is you?

Justin Edelstein: Lots of places. There's actually like, this is a good one. There's lots of resources in here, just links to all the places. And she writes up for each of the links like why you would go to that link for what purpose. This is actually a... Let's skip this one. This is a really good one. That's right. No skipping. No skipping. Some of they did push it off for I think a month at least.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, until into July, right? Is that that's kind of strange. I feel like I guess that's just them saying, hey, we got other priorities.

Justin Edelstein: I think what they're saying is, you all, well, this is the spin. This might not be the truth, but you all. are not ready. You're not ready for the jelly? Well, you're not ready. It's a big release. It really is. And you're kind of like scrambling and working from home and you don't know how to do this yet. So we're going to push our release back so that you don't have to worry about breaking stuff.

Jason Atwood: Right, well, we're still in January here. Colonists user spring 20 lightning update by you. So yeah, we rewrote colonists user in lightning. We did. And the permissioner, so we wrote both. Then Shaquille writes about why diversity in tech is important. So Shaquille came to us through an organization called Peppup Tech. or through, around, through. And so he has a great take on that and his experience coming through that organization and why the Salesforce ecosystem or why putting diversity in tech is important. That's a good one. And then we do the Permissioner Spring. So there we go. Kate. or Catherine 2 writes about permission to spring 20. So again, permission to get rewrote in lightning. You cool. Can you drop our, is it componentized? Can you drop it on the homepage? I don't know if we did that.

25:11 Justin Edelstein: The permission is like, I think it's too much an app. One big wrapped component. I think if they're all, it's one big component. I'm pretty sure you probably could drop it anywhere you wanted though.

Jason Atwood: And we're now committing to, we'll see if we can execute on it, but we're now committing to doing at least a release per, whether it's functional or testing or whatever, we're going to do a release per release. So we should be keeping up now with a nice cadence of permissioner and clonest user going forward, which will be great. Whether it has any features or whether it's just sort of, hey, this has been verified to work, continue to work as Salesforce adds on. new things into both cloning users and but well actually clone this user had a huge feature in it had the new custom field feature.

Justin Edelstein: That's correct. Right. So that we should not go over that that was that was a big ask, which was actually permission or and clone this user both have there is some new functionality beyond lightning. So sure clone this user has custom fields. We decided to do it basically like if you have custom fields, we're going to show them to you. That's a good idea. And you don't get a choice. If you got like 30 of them, they're all going to be there. Yep. And they're going to be cloned and you get to null out the values or change them or do whatever you want with them. Perfect. So that's the big enhancement for clone this user. It helps people get around like validation rules and things like that, that we've heard are barriers to adopting the free tool.

Justin Edelstein: So we built something for it. And the permissioner. was also updated so that it could handle higher volume of users, permissions, permission sets, and it also now respects permission set groups, which is great. Because you might start to take like three, four, five, 10 permission sets, pop them into a group.

Jason Atwood: You can use the permissioner to do that as well. And for both of those, we also have videos. So we r demoing it. So again, for free for what you get. You get a lot for very little. Not bad. Two big apps and two really been around for a long time and still remain free. So that's good. At least we can close out those backlog of issues saying we can't clone because of the custom custom field. Then I wrote 10 email fixes for the next decade and beyond. It's always fun. I love writing about email. That's just a go read it. Go read it. It's a goodie. It's a it's a banger. It's a banger. It's a it's a club banger. Got to love anything on email. All right for going up. Then Kate comes back doubles up sandwiches me and as a moving beyond the basics, taking your admin skills to the next level.

Jason Atwood: She writes that this over up to February now. This is great. Here we go.

28:13 Justin Edelstein: Now we're flying.

Jason Atwood: Yes, this is March. This is February 24th. I'm on the next page. Okay. Well, you're off. This goes into understanding data models, custom objects, ETLs. It's really nice. You should kind of outliers if you're thinking where you are in your admin world, this takes you to the next step. A good one. We're on to. I'm to the first page. And of course, Owen's back with top ideas on the ID Exchange in Spring 20. Spring just seems so, so far, so far along. I will say just kind of a couple things that have been popping up. I've been getting, I'm really, really close. I'm really, really close to 100% adoption of lightning, like where I don't even go back ever. There's still like one or two little, tiny little things that I go back for.

Jason Atwood: One of which I think we came up with a workaround for the other day. But there are some really nice features. I'm appreciating Lightning more and more. Look at you. I know. A lot of this due to our build out, realize we put, and it's funny because in this scenario, we act like client and admin on this, but we put a lot of. Time, money, effort into our own org and building it out with a lot of customization to make things work in certain ways. And so whether that's custom full on custom applications, which we have two or three of tons of custom components, functionality, backend triggers that just automate the crap out of things. You know, for example, we have a closed process on our opportunities that does a ton in the background. Like once you close out an opportunity, it fires off tons of stuff, creates records, does this, notifies people, does invoicing, it does like a lot of automation.

Jason Atwood: Our idea is obviously anything that we can automate and just have it happen. We don't have to have someone click a button. We're gonna try to do that. So it's fun, always fun with automation. We came up with another six of them like. this week. Then we did the winter 2020 East Coast pro bono day. Wow. Yeah, we did a pro bono day in person. So that happened and probably might to happen again for a long time Yeah, there you go. Justin Post about Slack, some hints. And in the middle of it, they launched a new version of Slack. So you had to go and change some of your terminology.

Justin Edelstein: They launched a new UI on the desktop, but the mobile is still the same. So like shared. It's on the desktop, but starred still exists on the mobile. So technically still accurate. Yeah, there you go. I don't, I don't understand why they did that, but whatever.

31:18 Jason Atwood: Aaron is crushing 2020 and writes how to work remotely and still get things done. So there you go. Some work from home advice, on how to do things. remotely, as this was pretty much because of the COVID stuff that started happening and people working from home. And so as they work from home company that's done this for 10 years, and then train people on. So we wrote that up. That's a good one. I'll have to get anything done in 2020. It's great. Then Ashley writes on spring 20. Spring 20 ideas delivered which is how different and top ideas on the exchange and twist listen why don't why don't we just stop while we're ahead and are

Justin Edelstein: We ahead no we're still behind but that means we're ahead because we can pick this up next time at the like a handful still you still got like Six or seven already.

Jason Atwood: I know I got four five. It's I'm good. I'm flying through here. Sure.

Justin Edelstein: Yes. Then this is an hour already and we're just I'm I'm reading all titles of blog posts. We're telling you all the fun stuff you should go read. If you're still there,

Jason Atwood: Thank you. Sam. So I will tell you if you want a great series, first of all, love her picture because she's laughing in it. But Sam writes on five things she should know about part dot form handlers. So we have been using Pardot for in the background of Arkus since last August, I think, with what I would consider a mixed bag of success. There's some things it does very well. And just you just like that's amazing. And there's things that like looking at engagement and seeing where people click and all that, other things it does, you're just like, this is just. terrible. Who built this? But I feel like we can all see the writing on the road. It's going to be it's going to get into Salesforce and be much more Salesforce size. And I think that'll take down a lot of the problems with part dot right now is it just feels very disconnected.

Jason Atwood: It doesn't feel like it's just wanted to be in Salesforce and work like Salesforce. I don't want to have two different things. I don't have different names for things. I want just to kind of work like Salesforce, but we're getting there. on the Trailblazer takeaway and book review, I am ashamed to say I haven't read that yet. Have you read the book? Of course not. And I'm going to ask, what's the point of embarrassing you? I hope you're using all this time to get your pick of the week, by the way. I'm giving you ample time. What's the pick of the week? What's the week stuff you speak on? Pick of the week. So you better keep going.

Justin Edelstein: We still do. I'm picking a blog post. No.

Jason Atwood: Then Pete writes on lightning page tips for better. Bring a wire in. Lightning page. So I will say if you are this is good stuff for those who are building at lightning pages, lightning pages don't I don't think they come out of the box very good. I think they need a lot of help. And knowing which components go where and just best practices. It's a good blog post to read. By the way,

34:22 Justin Edelstein: Keep an eye on this. Pete writes a really great article here, and he references a really cool trick that is quick actions and the record lookup component where you can have the update actions on itself and use that to create dynamic page layouts. Those things are coming in summer. Like the page layout is starting to morph into just the Lightning page. I don't know how much longer we will actually have legit page layouts in new orgs. Put it that way. In a new org, maybe one year, maybe. That's a guess.

Jason Atwood: Even it's an older feature, but I did it the other day. We rolled out a custom Lightning component and needed to put it in production to test it because of data, because the data in Sandbox is not good enough. So I just threw it in production and I'm like, oh, I don't want everybody to see this. So I just did the little quick component filter that said... this component only shows up if you're a system admin. Great, it was brilliant, like super easy, fairly, fairly inconvenience.

Justin Edelstein: You know, I've done that in our org when we've rolled out a handful of components. I've done it where I've just said, just system admin and I'll just be able to look at it or. I've gone so far as to create checkboxes on user records for features, and to just use that as a filter, because then I can include five or six people into a pilot. I wonder or wish there was a way to just permission set that. Like use a do you have this permission set as a filter? Yeah, Teria, it seems that sounds like a nice idea. A scalable thing, but whatever.

Jason Atwood: Speaking of scalable things. At skip entry options for the nonprofit success pack. It's a way I mean, yeah, it's not bad. Hey, Haley writes a banger on this one as well. really talking about the different options, because there's built-in options, and then there's two built-in options, and then two third-party options, gives the pros and cons of both a great way to go. If you're looking for batch gift entry options, this is a great comparison and something that I would expect. The last one just published, I guess we should have one coming up this week, shouldn't we? The last one published. Mario's back five plus one. That'd be six. Admin tips, troubleshooting emails and process builders.

Justin Edelstein: This is a good one. If you have trouble with, you have trouble figuring out why stuff doesn't work, start here.

Jason Atwood: And he has, and this one has videos. Yeah, well, videos like five or six videos. So this is this is a good way to figure it happens all the time. So it's damn prospect process builders fire these crazy things and even reading the process builder email, which is great that you get it. But oh, trying to figure it out sometimes. What happened here?

37:31 Justin Edelstein: You know, the first tip is kind of like, or it's not the first tip of the first one way. gets into the process builder. Where we talked about debugging it, there's a pretty good tip in there that I'm going to leave as a teaser as to like, what should you do? Like always as a first step in a process builder? It's a pretty good idea.

Jason Atwood: Yeah. All right. We'll leave that. So that's it. We're all caught up. Look at that. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful thing. All right, we got two other topics. One. Oh, yeah. One. Virtual Dreamforce. Okay. I mean, that was a big thing. Like, I'm, I'm, I will say I'm very proud of Salesforce. I'm very proud of them that they didn't wait, that they didn't try to futz around with it and wait till September, which they could have, because it's, you know, well, they did it back in April. But basically, Dreamforce 20 will not be an in-person event. It will be a virtual one. It will be reimagined, if you will. It's obviously not going to be the same for all of you who've gone to Dreamforce and enjoyed it. It is, but I think it's the right thing to do.

Jason Atwood: I think it's very conservative. I think it is, but it is the right thing to do. And so I'm really proud of them. That's good on you. I was discussing with a client the other day, maybe three days before they cancelled it. And he was like, what do you think is going to happen? And I said, I really think they should cancel it. I think they should cancel it. I think they should cancel it now. And I just think the risk versus reward on it is just too much. So I'm very happy they did that. Good on them for sort of getting it. And I know it's going to be painful. And I know the. the the long tail of all that that happens, right? From everything from budgetary to what happens to the city, into the vendors, into the businesses, into the workers, into the Javits center.

Jason Atwood: Not Javits, sorry, the-Mafasa, the Javits. Javits has hospital beds in it right now. But just all of that?

Justin Edelstein: And I know it's painful, but Salesforce world tour, I think, but TDX will be the first. I guess that'll be the test run, right? Yeah, I hope that they are able to do. There's one thing that I'm really hopeful that they figure out how to do. Which is? Figure out how to recreate in a virtual space. The bumping into someone that you hadn't seen in a year. say hello for like 10 minutes in like a little, like a little Zoom meeting. I don't know. But like, if you're in the same session as someone and you like, I don't know, I don't know how this would work, but you know what I mean. Like recreate that atmosphere that surrounds Dreamforce, which is this is the big family reunion gathering.

41:23 Jason Atwood: And a Thanks for watching. I'll see you next time. We have been playing with yes, I know me more things you don't know. No, we're not we're not putting a video of it. How to lose the 300th episode. So that was up there. And fun for you to all enjoy but each episode now going forward. And we're gonna backlog them all. So all 314 episodes are going to be slowly backlogged. in to our YouTube channel. So, and we've got a nice way to do it., we've been kind of playing with a couple of different tools to make it. So you'll be able to do that one.

Justin Edelstein: Did you like that one that I sent to you that, it was earlier this week. There's a podcast that I liked that, that published that out. I think I'd shown it to you, like how bad.

Jason Atwood: If you send it to me, I definitely deleted it. Okay, got it. Yeah, okay. So there are, I've been watching podcasts go both ways. So I've been watching a lot of the YouTube channels I watch have gone to podcasting. So they'll take a YouTube video and then just put the audio out. Like, you know, Joe Rogan does that. And then the other way is I've seen a lot of podcasts. There's a couple podcasts I follow that go onto YouTube and it's just the video. It's just, so you have to put up with something. So we came a good way. We've worked with our incredibly talented marketing, marketing associate to come up with a nice thing. I think it's going great. So you should start to see our episodes. This episode will be up last episode will be up and then going forward.

Jason Atwood: We will start to republish old ones. So we should be able to go back and get all of them eventually up. It might take- might take us six months.

Justin Edelstein: But we're- Let's get that spring 14 one up there. That spring 14 one is really good.

Jason Atwood: All right. So while doing that, and of course, we're going to keep coming up. So next podcast, next episode, we can- Good. What do you want t do? Like, we can do summer. We also have our GTD summer series that we'll probably do over the summer. So we've got tons of stuff. Now we figured out the tech. Quarantine series. The quarantine series. Work from home, podcast from home. So I hope everybody's enjoyed the stats show that everybody didn't, we didn't lose anybody. People started downloading immediately. So that's great. So happy to, happy to be podcasting again. So let's make some pics. What is your pick of the week? So your crowd focused app pick of the week. Yeah. So it's an app called Better PT.

Justin Edelstein: PT standing for physical therapy. Pretty sure I mentioned this last week or last podcast. Whenever that was. You did. Been doing physical therapy virtually tele tele physical therapy. So better PT is the app and it's not bad. You know, I feel like I'm in a secure environment, so that's nice. Like, I feel like I'm, you know, in this wrapped, very compliant environment. I'm not just on some Zoom call with my physical therapist. And it works. It works. You know, it's not the same as going in person, but. Hey, if you can do this with physical therapy, I mean, what else can you do this with?

44:44 Jason Atwood: Lots of things. I think it's gonna be really interesting to me come out of this how, A, are people going to want to, like I did a virtual doctor's visit. I had actually something in my eye, which you would think is like something you'd really want to go to the doctor about, but So I did online, I came up my phone, I did the virtual version of it. It was a lot of time.

Justin Edelstein: I you know, building a shutdown.

Jason Atwood: So there's some things like pull ups and things you just can't reproduce. So I found this thing on Amazon, it's called the stamina power tower. And it's 99 bucks. It shipped from Amazon, came in two days, and it basically builds this big thing that I you know it's called but not wide that can do seven different exercises like you could do dips you can do pull ups you can do reverse pull ups you can do push ups on you can do leg raises you can do I don't know it's probably four or five others anyway it's pretty good I would say for 99 bucks considering the amount of money we usually spend on subscriptions and things it put together pretty easily it's very solid I'm a big big guy and I can pull myself, myself up on it it does it just as well as I actually think that post COVID, I might just throw it here in the day.

Jason Atwood: You know, it's funny.

Justin Edelstein: I did something really similar. I bought a exercise bike. Right. cause I actually need it for physical therapy. Like I need it. It's called acapella. and it's actually a I was thinking, well, when this is done, we'll donate it to like, like a center, like a community. a center is something that might need an exercise mic or something. But I think we're keeping it just in case. Just in case.

47:49 Jason Atwood: I feel the same way. I feel, I feel like there's things we've gotten and certainly my wife got a bunch of Pilates stuff to her ex-Pilates and doesn't. You know, so she's got all this home stuff now, and it's great because yeah, I mean, I don't want this ever happen again But like when sandy hit, you know, I I have water bottle stuff. I have backup generators I have tons of like other stuff that I got for sandy and granted if that's if sandy doesn't our new sandy doesn't hit great, but Reality is we might be in the situation some point in the future. So all right. Well, that wraps us up. You can follow us on Twitter. Justin Edelsey, Jason Atwood, our casino, as our Twitter handles. We're in the success community, the Trailblazer community.

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