iCan't Wait for iCloud - Episode #46 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:09 Jason Atwood: This is the 46th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the first week of June, 2011. This episode is titled, I Can't Wait for iCloud. CloudFocus Weekly is sponsored by Arkus, Cloud Community Experts. I'm your host, Jason Atwood, and joining me for the 46th time in the iCloud, who maybe can or cannot wait, I don't know. We'll find out, is Justin Edelstein. Justin, how are you doing today?

Justin Edelstein: I have no idea what it is. That's what you'll get.

Jason Atwood: We'll talk about that in the podcast.

Justin Edelstein: I like how you spelled ICant, lowercase i, capital C.

Jason Atwood: That's a play on iCloud.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I got it.

Jason Atwood: Here we go. So, rest of the agenda, we're gonna talk about your podcast, your circles of trust.

Justin Edelstein: My blog post.

Jason Atwood: Your blog post, I do it every time. It can happen. Talk about iCloud, which will be supposedly announced on Monday, Apple's making some announcements, probably some product announcements, But one of them might be this concept of this iCloud, which we have been waiting for and or talking about and or watching competitors come out with things for months now. So we'll make a few predictions ourselves, maybe. And then we have some leaked photos of database.com, which is more of a joke but kind of fun, because they're doing a webinar tomorrow.

Justin Edelstein: It's not really leaking it if you do it.

Jason Atwood: I think that's why it's a joke. But they're doing a webinar tomorrow. Showing up. That I can't wait for. I can't wait. And then we have some Google news, of course. And not just the Google with the news product, but news about stuff in Google, including something that references back to one of our previous podcasts about the plus button that we thought was something. And maybe it is something. So we'll talk about that. And then we'll get to our Cloud Focus app pick of the weeks or pound CFA PWA.

Justin Edelstein: That rolls right off the top. That does roll.

Jason Atwood: The pounding. I like putting a pound in the Google Wave because it makes no sense. Good one. Yeah.

Justin Edelstein: So let's start off by talking about an enhancement for Google Wave. Pounds to link to other Wave, but they're not going to enhance that. No. No.

Jason Atwood: I'm still impressed that after they said they were going to shut it down almost a year ago. Well, no, maybe. It's coming up. I think it was August of last year. No way. I think so. That they said they were going to, it's still up and running.

Justin Edelstein: Oh, it still works. Don't tell them.

Jason Atwood: I'm convinced that they can't figure it out.

Justin Edelstein: They obviously don't listen to our podcast.

Jason Atwood: They do not. So let's start off with talking about your blog post entitled Social Circles.

Justin Edelstein: Social Circles. So I wrote a post about how I use different personas on different social networking platforms to reach different audiences. So I came up with this concept called the inner circle and the outer circle, whereby I can group people based on who they are, if they're a personal friend, a close friend, family, or are they more of a professional acquaintance or networking type of contact, and how I use different platforms for different purposes to reach different people. So someone like yourself or my mom, they are in the inner circle. I just said, yes, you and my mom. Wow. you guys are both in the inner circle right you you get to be my friend on face book very proud you should be very proud you get to see you honor of the women

03:44 Justin Edelstein: orange now i don't think i have that many friends on face book with two hundred and fifty people uh... cuz i use it as my inner circle it's not my it's not my twitter it's not my linkedin i'll get that moment but you guys get to see you know pictures of food that i'm eating in new orleans or know about the fact that i'm in new orleans or see pictures of my cat brisco because you know no big deal if my inner circle sees pictures of my cat brisco it's more relevant to you in that context you're my friend and you're seeing a cute picture of a cat with a sombrero on his head uh... saying happy cinco de miao

Jason Atwood: wow i think you just shared some of your inner circle to the outer circle I think I just built some of my inner circle on my outer circle.

Justin Edelstein: Yes, I did. So I classified Foursquare and Facebook as the inner circle, because Facebook's very personal. You know, who I'm dating, all those other things. Foursquare is like, where am I all the time? So as I mentioned in the blog post, sad but true, I'm the mayor of my apartment building. And my outer circle contacts don't need to know that i'm home or that i'm at the cantina on the corner or juniors for cheesecake what have you right uh... the outer circle as i as a co-edit is uh... made up of twitter connections and and linkedin connections and there are others platforms but focus on kind of big for that i use and these are uh... people that work in my industry you know cloud computing experts people i want to follow for their information or people that might follow me for my opinions on certain things, but I keep it professional and I keep it very mindful of the fact that I'm a founder at Arcus and the way that I come off in that very public light, Twitter very public, is not only a reflection on myself but also a reflection on my company. So I like to keep it clean and stay on point, stay on topic, and make sure that there's no pictures of Briscoe because they're just not relevant for the public to consume. That's more targeted towards my inner circle of friends. So that's what the blog post is all about. Yeah, now I've just blown the whole thing up. Yeah, really.

Jason Atwood: Clearly, so we were on with a client, talking to a client earlier, and I mentioned your blog post because he used Twitter to tell me he was going to be late for a meeting. So I'm sitting there waiting for him to come on to the WebEx that we use that I like, UX Go 2, we all know this.

Justin Edelstein: We're going to have a podcast dedicated to the WebEx Go 2 meeting war.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, it'll be a short one because WebEx is much better.

Justin Edelstein: My pick will be Go 2, your pick will be WebEx.

Jason Atwood: And he tweeted me that he was going to be late. So then I- How do you even have a direct message? Just an at mention. Yeah, just the at mention. So, you know, clearly the lines are being thrown all over the place. Now, I don't care because that's my public persona, you know, and I do think, I think of it as my professional persona. The inner and outer circles, I more go professional and, you know, internal. I agree. I mean, I do the same thing with Facebook. I don't, Facebook to me is a very personal thing and that, you know, I want to be able to put up pictures of my kids, kid or kids if I had more than one. You have more than one? Who would know? You're in the outer circle.

07:16 Justin Edelstein: That's why you only had one.

Jason Atwood: But no, I totally agree. But I also want to have an outside thing that I can share with lots of other people. I have more than one Twitter profile. And there are ones that, because I find I like following people that are focused on a sort of topic. So I follow people that are focused on one thing. The people that are all randomly all over the place, That's sort of like, I don't need to hear that. So when I post, I think about, oh, I'm sort of posting this profile, so I'm sort of moving my content around that profile, or around that topic. And so it's more so my Twitter.com slash JasonNamatwood is more about cloud computing and technology and geekdom and stuff like that, less so about my love of sports. So I follow part of your inner circle. The best part of your blog post was definitely the picture, which is a funny, funny reference where it shows a picture of a circle and says the inner circle and then as a little indicator it says you and the picture's on the outside.

Justin Edelstein: So it's good stuff. So that's at blog.archessink.com. Check it out. Yeah, check it. Go there.

Jason Atwood: In other news, we have, I guess the big thing for next week, if you're looking forward in in your calendar of events coming up is that Monday, the 6th I think, is the start of WWDC, which is Apple's annual developer conference, which has become more and more- Worldwide. Worldwide developer conference. It's become more and more of their showcase to show off their stuff. There's a lot to be talked about. But we're not on a podcast just talking about Apple. That could be another podcast, which I'm sure there's 10 of them. So they could be talking about Lion, which I think the story there, are going to spin on a cloud computing thing is that Lion might be distributed. Their new operating system might be distributed solely through the App Store.

Justin Edelstein: Or then one of my 2011 predictions is getting even closer and closer.

Jason Atwood: Which is the death of the disk. But that's interesting. And maybe new hardware, and maybe iOS 5, and maybe Twitter integration, all sorts of stuff. But the one thing that we've been talking about for a long time, and clearly some competitors have been making moves into, and we talked about Google doing their Google Music, which I'm in the beta, or I'm in the sign up, but I haven't gotten my beta yet.

Justin Edelstein: You and millions of others.

Jason Atwood: Amazon did their Cloud Files, which I bought my Lady Gaga album, which didn't work. So I kind of thought, well, that's a fail. Although I'm sure it works now. So love you too, Amazon, because I do. I love them for other reasons. But there's always been this sort of rearing head of, what's Apple going to do? Because Apple's got iTunes, which is the biggest store. It's making all the headway. They got all the connection to all the devices that everybody wants. What are they going to do with this? And what's this big data center down in North Carolina that they've been building for two years for whatever millions of dollars?

Justin Edelstein: So we need creepy music going on in the background. Yeah, I can't do it.

10:17 Jason Atwood: So over the last week, domain names have been bought, registered for trademarks. And so we all kind of know what it is. It's iCloud. It's going to be called iCloud. It's supposed to be a replacement for MobileMe, which I think I made as one of my picks somewhere along away because it's still a very good thing. But there's more and more news coming about it, sort of hints. So is it a version of this software they bought, Lala, which they bought a year ago, I think it's a company, which would scan your iTunes library and then basically enable you to stream anywhere, sort of like Pandora, which you like, stream anywhere, but anything that you owned because it had already sort of seen, oh, Justin owns the latest Milli Vanilli remix album, so he can stream it anywhere he wants.

Justin Edelstein: You're always with the Milli Vanilli.

Jason Atwood: It's because it's the worst album I can think of.

Justin Edelstein: Let me ask you a question. So this is the developer conference. Might there be some developer style news here mixed in? Because iCloud seems very consumer product-y, right? Like Lion, sure, that is geared toward developers. Hey, people who write applications, here's this new OS with all these new APIs and features that you can write to, hey, developers, here's all this new stuff in iOS 5 that you could build into your apps and sell on the App Store. What do you think iCloud's going to have in store for developers? Because this really seems like a consumer type thing. Like, hey consumer, get your files wherever you want.

Jason Atwood: When the whole world's watching, or when the whole tech news world is watching, you're going to launch some of your stuff. You don't want to leave this to a month later. So while I agree, I'm pretty sure Apple

Justin Edelstein: can announce pretty much anything whenever they want and get a crowd. They do.

Jason Atwood: But when you're going to bring out Stevie Jobs onto the stage. Oh, I'm sure Stevie will do it. And you're going to make one of these big announcements. And you're going to do one more thing.

Justin Edelstein: It's going to be a one more thing?

Jason Atwood: I think, definitely. So I'm excited because I'm excited to see how they stack up against these other things. It's not a huge need of mine. I know you use Pandora. You have a huge collection. If you could access your huge collection anytime, anywhere, from any device. That would be great. I would love it. But would you stop using Pandora? No. Would you do it, or would you not do it at all?

Justin Edelstein: I would do it, totally. I would not stop using Pandora. I would not stop using Netflix streaming, because there's things that i don't own that i want and pandora is for me it's just the great randomizer right i don't know what i want them and or gives it to me and i'm like ah i like that or i don't even know this song but i like it that's not in my itunes library i don't have things in my itunes library that i don't like i own it i bought it i know it

Jason Atwood: well this there's some random out and i'm sure you didn't see the whole album you listen to every album you've ever done in a song

Justin Edelstein: library i'm not like that i i i buy albums and by singles i never buy like single was not really stirred sometimes you really have that album thanks for mentioning it you have them for them and i'm also one of the you know i would love it like if i'm in a hotel room that'd be great all house all this move at all these movies like hundreds of them on my on my drill boat home and I have my 32 gig iPad and I can only fit like, you know, eight or 10 of them on here, I would love to be able to get to any of them. Hopefully I can. Music, not as big a deal to me, but the movies, the TV shows, and potentially any other interesting way to get at data that's on my machine without like, like more seamless integration with like the iDisk, like kind of like how Dropbox is like, just more seamless.

14:14 Jason Atwood: So you think more than just the iTunes integration, they're going to announce more Mobile Me type stuff?

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I would like more Mobile Me stuff. I would like more seamless integration between my desktop, a web app, and a mobile app. Something that really ties all that stuff together.

Jason Atwood: And does it well and offline.

Justin Edelstein: It does it really well and offline.

Jason Atwood: I think the thing that for me, again, I'm an iTunes user. I have tons of content there. I cannot imagine them going through all my CDs I've ripped. And I was a big CD purchaser back in the day, and I've ripped a lot of them. I can't imagine that this thing would then say, OK, anything you ever ripped. Because we can't tell if it's yours, like you really owned it and I still have the CD and I can prove it. Or your friend came over with his terabyte drive,

Justin Edelstein: and you have a terabyte more. No, they're going to have an iPhone app that takes a picture of the CD, like barcode, and then it authenticates it for you.

Jason Atwood: It's going to OCR it. Right.

Justin Edelstein: Or like a bar scan reader thing.

Jason Atwood: There's bar scans on them. On the back. On the backs of CDs. I threw out all the backs.

Justin Edelstein: Now you're out of luck.

Jason Atwood: It's not going to work. But would it push me to buy more stuff into iTunes? Yeah, it kind of would. It's one of the reasons I still have the original Apple TV, is because it's a big drive there. And I sink over a bunch of movies. And I leave the house. And anybody who's in my house, AKA my daughter who likes to watch Disney movies, they're there and I don't have to be there and they don't have to stream or whatever. So the idea that this thing then could stream all the things that we own and basically act as my cloud media player. I like that.

Justin Edelstein: That would be great if my Apple TV can connect to this thing wherever, like if I go away I can take my Apple TV with me and not have to even bring my computer to like connect the iTunes to it, right?

Jason Atwood: I can't imagine, I brought my Apple TV on vacation once and what I forgot to bring was the remote so I couldn't even go to configure it to hit the Wi-Fi to even connect to it.

Justin Edelstein: Couldn't you use the remote on your phone?

Jason Atwood: No, because it couldn't see, you can't tell it to like, the remote on my phone.

Justin Edelstein: What I want to do is kind of like, I'm going away, I can like leave my laptop, just take my Apple TV and like my iPad and I'm good to go for a weekend.

Jason Atwood: But if you have your iPad, you can just plug your iPad into the TV using that connector. No. You don't have to bring it. No. I don't have that connector. I have my Apple TV. Yeah, whatever. Why would you want to bring a one pound piece of technology versus a little cable?

Justin Edelstein: It's a little tiny little square. A little $35 cable. It's a little square. That makes no sense. It's like a Klondike bar.

Jason Atwood: What would you do for it?

Justin Edelstein: Would you quack like a duck? Yes.

Jason Atwood: All right. So your prediction is all of the above?

Justin Edelstein: I don't really have a prediction. I don't even know if it's going to happen. Nice. My prediction is it won't happen. That's great. And there, if I'm right on that, then everyone will not be happy.

Jason Atwood: So something that we did predict, or that's kind of getting easy to break now, is that Salesforce announces stuff, and then many, many, many, many, many months later, you get to see it. And then many, many months later, they re-announce it. And then many, many months later, it actually comes out. So I think we're in the second many months now, so we're getting to see database.com, which was announced last December at Dreamforce 10.

17:30 Justin Edelstein: Yeah, right at Dreamforce 10.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, they announced it literally that day. And so I guess they've leaked some photos, which is funny. And they're doing a big webinar tomorrow, which if you're not signed up for by time.

Justin Edelstein: Tomorrow being Friday, June 3.

Jason Atwood: Friday, June 3. They're going to do a webinar and show off, I guess, a sneak peek of database.com.

Justin Edelstein: I can't wait to see the sneak peek. I want to see if it has a front end.

Jason Atwood: It's got to have a front end. It's not going to be command line, the whole thing. No, no, no, no, no.

Justin Edelstein: I can see from the leaked photos that it has a front end to build the schema of the database. It looks just like Salesforce. When you look at the screenshots, it's got the setup stuff on the left. It's got customize, create, probably create objects, work full rules, apex triggers, et cetera. That front end exists. I want to know what the forms look like. front-end, the user interface for the end user to enter stuff into the database or is this really just a database with no front-end form entry and you you put whatever front-end you want on it? Like I don't see necessarily like I see things like apex triggers, apex classes, workflow rules, I don't see visual force pages.

Jason Atwood: Like I don't I don't I mean yeah but underneath some of these apps set up and administrator that looks like there's customizing create and develop right so

Justin Edelstein: we don't know if there's page layouts like I wouldn't then understand the differentiation between database.com and force.com I'm interested I'm intrigued you're gonna see what it is yeah I really like the second screenshot of like seeing like sort of like the entity view like you're picking the week and you can see like kind of like the fields and the IDs and how they connect to each other. You can export it, it looks like. You can print it, so you can print like a data diagram.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, I don't think it's good. I mean, I don't know. I think the way the model for the business model for the pay as you go, the whole point is that it's not going to have a front end. That everything you want to do is connected through some other source.

Justin Edelstein: So it's the database with APIs.

Jason Atwood: And what they'll do is say, but you know what the greatest set of APIs to get to it is, and the greatest front end you could ever put on frontenddatabase.com? It's called force.com. And you can build this thing, and it'll connect with your clicks and build a little form, and then say back end data equals self. I'm sorry, database.com. I need some water.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, you take some water. I don't necessarily get where this is going to go. I mean, I... DabbleDB. Well, DabbleDB still needed an end user facing front end to input data. would be force.com. You wouldn't go buy database.com then sort of build your own front end. Why not? Well why wouldn't you then just get force.com and use visual force pages? Like it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me from that perspective and maybe I'm just not seeing it. Maybe I'll see it tomorrow. Like I'll get what they're talking about. Maybe the Toyota friend thing is like an example of some app written on database.com using PHP and all sorts of fun jazzy stuff to make the interface look a little different for the end user. We shall see tomorrow. We shall see. I can't wait.

21:05 Jason Atwood: I'm a little bit more excited for WAVC. Just saying. Me too. But it should be decent. So we've got two pieces of Google News and then we get to our Cloud Focus app picks of the week. Do it. is basically the mystery has been solved. Google has released their plus one button, or plus one, which is something.

Justin Edelstein: I've been in the experiment for a while. So my search results have had plus one next to it for a long while, a couple of months.

Jason Atwood: So explain to the Google search results.

Justin Edelstein: Google search results. Clearly we're talking about Google, not my Bing results. You never know. Google results would be next to every link is a little plus one button that I can click and it was never necessarily all that clear to me like what I was doing I was just saying this is the right answer for this query I guess before I click it I'll say plus one but I don't want to really all that clear to You can plus one ads which makes even less sense to me, but you know you couldn't say I guess this one is the one and Now apparently you'll be able web Webmasters for lack of a better word website owners will be able to put a plus one button on their website Much like the Facebook like or the Twitter button yep dig buttons from the past like all those well those but that is a thousand six big button all that stuff will last more stuff to slow blogs down um there'll be button that you can press and click and it will add it to your like Google profile which to me is sort of a mystery because I don't think Google does a very good job of explaining to you like where that data that you're giving them is going right like like my Google profile I'm not even a hundred percent sure I would probably just go to Google and type in Google profile and then get to my profile I don't know what it would say about me what it would do I'm also a Google Apps user for our Arcus domain I don't think plus one and that profile I don't think they connect so it's one of those mystery things that Google's rolled out to proliferate around the web, collect a bunch of data probably, people plus oneing websites make them more popular, less popular, do a query, land on a website, hit plus one, they know that, OK, you've landed on a website and you've said it's kind of the right result for that question.

Jason Atwood: I think this is clearly their fire. They started their fire back on Social Network. because one of the things that's become very clear in the shift, and I think even Benioff put this up on as one of his speeches, is that people now search, do shopping search, do product comparison, product search more and more through social networks, AKA Facebook, and less and less through traditional search. Because the theory being, if I wanna find out if, you know, who has a great pancake mix.

24:24 Justin Edelstein: Well, we had a real example of this just last week, and you and I were talking about it. Remember I was looking for a video capture software for a Mac that would do a screen capture in a video format of my screen so that I can do a demo video. Right.

Jason Atwood: Something that will be announcing soon.

Justin Edelstein: My first reaction was, go to Twitter, ask a question. Question, who has used good screen capture video software for a Mac? And within three minutes, I got four or five responses from people from my outer circle telling me what software to take a look at. And you were like, why would you do that? Why wouldn't you just go to Google and type in Mac screen sharing software?

Jason Atwood: Wait, I didn't say that immediately. I said, oh, that's a great way of asking, but did you also go and search? Because to me, while that is a good way, you're only asking 20 people or sorry, 300 people that follow you or the millions of others that are going to respond that quickly. And really my guess is there are other informed people who have done reviews of and have looked over tons of them.

Justin Edelstein: The point is, not to get into a tissy about which way was the right way to go or the wrong way, there was no wrong way. I used that message, right? I didn't do what Google wants me to do. So I went and asked my outer circle on Twitter, hey, what's the right thing to do here? Whereas Google would say, well, why would you do that? Just go to Google, type in screen capture software Mac, and we'll get you what you need to know.

Jason Atwood: And what they're saying is, OK, great. Yesterday we would have given you results. So here's screens after here's one, here's one, here's one. Here's your top 10 results on page one of Google search results.

Justin Edelstein: With some sponsors and whatnot.

Jason Atwood: But now we're going to show you top 10 results, but then next to two of them, you're going to see Jason liked this, right? Like this one, and he liked this article on it. Or Jason and this other person. So your outer circle is now going to be integrated into your search results.

Justin Edelstein: And that's what I never really get with Google, is how they connect the fact that I should see the things that Jason has plus one, and I don't see things that Bobby Boberson has plus right. Or Sally Sowers. Or Sally Sowers.

Jason Atwood: So you're right. And in Facebook, it's very clear. A friend of mine is someone I like, and I've already connected with them. In Twitter, it's very clear. I'm either following someone or not. It's more public. In Google, it's like, how is this connection being made?

Justin Edelstein: Are these my Gmail contacts? Are these my Google Reader people who are following my shared items? Is it your Buzz friends? Are these my Buzz people? It's unclear. It's never too clear with Google. And it's the missing piece.

Jason Atwood: It's the piece that they haven't made very clear is that what is my Google profile, and how does it connect to these other people? Whereas the other sites are so very specific, Google is so spread out, like AdSense. There's so many different things. When I log in, sometimes I'm like, oh, where am I? And then I see in the top, oh, I'm logged into Google. It's interesting. It's going to be, I like it?

27:37 Justin Edelstein: And I can't even do it right now, because I'm always logged in as me at Arcus, your outer circle search profile. It doesn't exist. So I can't. I'm on the Google Enterprise blog right now, and there's a plus one button. And when I click it, it goes to do the plus one, and then it says, oops, you need a Google profile to use this feature, and it's not available for my organization. So I'm not ever really like, I'm apt to have a special browser that I only use for personal use or something like that. Maybe that's something I'll write a blog post about one day.

Jason Atwood: Flock, or actually Flock, I think, called it Quicksand.

Justin Edelstein: Or just Firefox. I never use Firefox, so that'll be my personal browser.

Jason Atwood: Speaking of personal browsers, and speaking of browsers, here's your segue of the day.

Justin Edelstein: That was a good segue. I did that purposely.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, you wish.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I do.

Jason Atwood: Google has announced that it will be?

Justin Edelstein: Well, they announced their plans to support modern browsers across Google Apps. So they announced that they're going to be, or their plan for how they're going to move forward with their web apps and how they're going to support browsers. So they've announced you know in order to keep up with you know and move past traditional software we need to use modern web browsers otherwise the experience is not going to be ideal. So in order to do things like drag and drop, in order to do things like notifications in GBA email, things like what Google Wave does, real-time interaction. They require advanced browsers that support HTML5 and older browsers just don't cut it for them. So they've announced that beginning the 1st of August, so you have a couple months to prepare for this if you're an enterprise, they're going to discontinue support for the following browsers and I'll explain why but they're gonna discontinue support for the following and their predecessors so Firefox 3.5, Internet Explorer 7 it's actually a big one and Safari 3 and what they're saying is we're gonna support the current and prior major releases of Chrome, Firefox, IE and Safari on a rolling basis so right now IE is up to IE 9 right so they're gonna They're going to support IE9 and IE8. Safari's on Safari 5, so they're going to support Safari 5 and Safari 4.

Jason Atwood: So as I pointed out to you at lunch, this is so funny not eating your own dog food, because Google Chrome literally goes from version to version monthly. So they're on version 11. They were on 10 two months ago. I think they're on 12. Who knows? So if anybody else held Google Chrome to that standard of like, oh, we'll only support the last two. That'd only be two months worth of development.

30:38 Justin Edelstein: But Google updates itself. Chrome updates itself for you.

Jason Atwood: So does Firefox now. Firefox just updated me to five the other day.

Justin Edelstein: Well, that's kind of the thing, is you won't ever be on two versions prior of Chrome. You shouldn't, because when it starts up, it's already, it doesn't even ask you. Well, you could turn it off.

Jason Atwood: You can say don't do that. It's one of the things. But if you're in an enterprise, you have no choice.

Justin Edelstein: If you're in an enterprise, you're likely not using Chrome is your main browser, you're likely using Internet Explorer. At this point, you're probably on IE7, maybe IE8. Some big shops, places that shall continue to remain nameless, are likely still on IE6. But yeah, this is an interesting stance that Google's taking. They're saying, hey, we're not supporting all these browsers, because we're moving forward. We're building stuff in modern technologies. And these older browsers that we have to hack through and put in special code for, we're just not bothering with that. So upgrade or lose functionality. STEVE BAZYLINKSI.

Jason Atwood: Listen, the browser is becoming less and less of what it was meant to be or was originally designed to be, which is this thing to look at text marked up as HTML. And it's becoming the gateway to applications. is becoming an application environment. It's becoming a JVM, Java Virtual Machine. It's becoming the thing that you run applications written in HTML5 and JavaScript. And so this has always been the problem with browsers, is that the standards aren't standards, that no one really appears to them, although it's getting better and better, that the organizations out there that are making the standards are kind of disparate, and that there are big companies that control huge markets of the segment who decide to make up their own standards as they go. And those companies should not be named either. No, Microsoft has always been known as the company, well, we'll go build our own tags, our own HTML tags, because we feel like it. I like it from a Google standpoint. I like it from pushing it forward.

Jason Atwood: It's amazing to see the kind of stuff you can do in a browser to think that I used to write code, HTML, that could do writing my table code. I was so impressed I could get things to show up in columns. Now you can literally do full applications, games, Angry Birds written in HTML5, stunning stuff. So go to them. I just think it's a weird thing to say this version and that version, because each browser doesn't handle that. They updated different intervals, and they might have completely different sets.

Justin Edelstein: I don't know if the blog post said full versions, but I I don't know if that means Safari 5 has been the most recent version. If you're looking at the most recent Safari versions, 5 and 4 have been out for a year and a half. Or so, I think. Maybe even more. Yeah. Safari 4 was like two years ago, maybe. So they don't update that browser with major releases. They have dot releases all the time. But to have a full major release, that could be two years worth of an Internet Explorer is certainly not marching forward at a pace of light speed or whatever, the speed of light. So interesting how they've taken the stance and how they plan on supporting browsers moving forward.

34:15 Jason Atwood: Yeah, I was just looking, I was trying to find the browser timelines. I found a very old one, but showing the different releases Safari but it looks like yeah it's not current enough. Well it does go Opera up to 9. Oh Opera 9 came out in June. They didn't mention Opera in their like supported browsers. Too bad for Opera. Too bad. Alright so let's go to our Cloud Focus app pick of the

Justin Edelstein: week. You go first. I will. This is an app that I downloaded a long long time ago never really used. Got updated recently so it showed up in my this is an iPhone So it showed up in my you know on in the App Store as a badge like click. Oh, there's an update Let me go play with that again, right and I found it to be extremely useful The app is dragon dragon dictation which by nuanced communications dragon is It's on a lot of different platforms, and it does a lot of different Dictation type things what I love about it is that it has integration with Facebook has integration with Twitter You can SMS from it. You can send emails to it. It's the simplest app you've ever seen. You click the app, it opens, and there's a screen with a record button. It has nothing else, just a button. You tap to dictate. You tap the button, you talk into the phone, talk into the speaker, the microphone, whatever, and when you stop talking you can hit stop where there's a setting that it'll recognize when you're done, and boom! there's the text right on the screen and it does a really good job of text of

Jason Atwood: speech to text. Does it send it up to get verified or does it do it right in your...

Justin Edelstein: It does it right there. You sure? I'm very sure because it happens so fast I can't imagine it sending it anywhere and bringing it back. So I've heard that most

Jason Atwood: of these send it away because the processing power to do it so they record the sample and they're usually tiny samples they send them up they get done by a you know cloud computing something and then sent back down. Maybe it's doing

Justin Edelstein: that way I don't know it didn't seem to have been doing it I mean it was happening so fast that I couldn't imagine it was doing it yeah the test

Jason Atwood: again anyway we're bringing it back the test would just be turned into airplane

Justin Edelstein: mode and see for the while and then you know there's a button on the bottom there's two buttons you can either hit the keyboard button which will allow you to like modify any of the text if it got something spelled wrong or if it you If it got some of the words, like I said, Cloud Focus. Yesterday I was testing it to send a tweet, and it put Cloud Focus as two different words, and we have it as one word, so I was able to modify that. And then there's a button, like the Action button, like what do you want to do? And you can send it to Twitter, you can send it an SMS, you can compose an email, you can do all sorts of things with it without having to type. Really very useful tool. Nice. And I'm going to continue using it. I really liked it.

37:18 Jason Atwood: So I can now tweet while I drive. Yeah, totally. Excellent. Can you tell it with your voice what to send it to?

Justin Edelstein: I could not figure that part out. That would be neat. Free, by the way.

Jason Atwood: Free is good. Voice recognition seems like it's the flying cars of computer technology, which is we've always thought that at some point, we won't have keyboards. We'll just talk to our computers. And yet, for the last 20 years, it still It's really not built into operating systems. It kind of works on the iPhone, call or play song by. Kind of fun. But I don't know, it just hasn't, it had never taken off as much as I thought it was going to be. If you'd asked me 10 years ago.

Justin Edelstein: Well, there's sync in a car. Yeah. Supposedly it's pretty decent.

Jason Atwood: I've heard it's pretty good. But it's still like small commands. It's not dictation of full things or really interacting with the computer 100%.

Justin Edelstein: Like, yeah. I want to just think things that I would be doing on my computer and have the computer just be like, yes, your wish is my command.

Jason Atwood: Your computer would crash at your thoughts.

Justin Edelstein: I'm just thinking, compose this email to Jason and write something in it. And it does all that stuff.

Jason Atwood: It would be interesting because your thought patterns are so awk. Literally the way you think, and then squirrel, and then all of a sudden, and then all of a sudden, it's a squirrel.

Justin Edelstein: Code of shame.

Jason Atwood: All right, so I'm going to make a quick pick because we're kind of running out of time here, but it is for something that I think is a neat little addition into the world of Kindle. So if you're a Kindle user, you like reading books, one of the problems with Kindle has been for a long time that you could, okay, you buy books, and if I buy a hardcover book, I can hand it to someone else and they can use it, and they can read it. Now that's sort of the nice thing about books. Well Kindle, you get the book, but you can't really lend it to anybody else. Amazon eventually, I think a couple months ago, maybe six months ago, added the ability to lend books. But it's kind of a little bit difficult and you have to lend it. You can only lend it once and it really only allows you to lend it to someone you kind of know. Well, here comes Lendl.me, Lendl.me, which is a online service slash website that allows you to both upload the books you have or to say I have these 10 books in my Kindle collection and then someone else can ask to borrow them, and then there's a fee associated, I couldn't get too far into where the fee goes, the damages, but basically you get to read the Kindle book for less money than if you had to go buy it yourself. Limitations are that you obviously can only read it in the time period that Kindle allows you to read it, which is two weeks, so you only have 14 days, and as a lender, you only get to lend something once, which is a limitation of Kindle as well. It's a nice work around. It's a nice way of bridging the gap of what should be a much easier system. I never really understood how some systems allow you to kind of install things with five computers and do all that, but Kindle has this sort of weird backwards, you can't just quickly easily say, oh yeah, you can have it or whatever. But anyway, Lendl.me is a first step in letting you both lend books to others or put out things you want to. So you can actually put a list of books I'm looking for and if they show up, it'll tell you and you can go and say can I borrow that book from that other person making

40:39 Jason Atwood: it more affordable to read Kindle books which is good so we can stop cutting down trees to make real books. So that's it that's the end of the Cloud Books Weekly for this week. Again if you want to read the blog post there at blog.arkusinc.com A-R-K-U-S-I-N-C dot com. You can subscribe there in the oldest standard in news reading which is RSS. If you want to follow the tweets of us here you can follow the company at twitter.com slash arcus inc. You can follow. In the outer circle. If you want to be in the outer circle, everybody in the arcus inc twitter is in the inner circle. And if you want to follow my outer inner middle earth circle, you can go to twitter.com slash Jason M. Atwood. And then Justin here, you will clearly be in his outer circle. He's now even told you that in a blog post. I'm telling you. That you are not in his inner circle.

Justin Edelstein: That's OK. Come on.

Jason Atwood: Is there any benefit to being in your outer circle?

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, you don't have to see pictures of me eating barbecue and sauce all over my face and stuff.

Jason Atwood: Actually, if you follow me, I will post every picture of him eating barbecue. I'll post it to my outer circle, therefore breaking his circle and his circle of thrust.

Justin Edelstein: You're breaking the infinite loop.

Jason Atwood: Twitter.com slash just Edelstein. And then the company's on Facebook, Facebook.com slash ArcaSync. You can follow us there. It's great because we actually post things, the blog post and the podcast show up on Facebook page. But if you're really interested in subscribing to the podcast and knowing about it and knowing when it comes out because we record it at different times, it is going to iTunes, type in Cloud Focus Weekly or Cloud Focus, hit subscribe, and then every time we post it, it'll come magically through the clouds down to you. Although next week there could be a whole different way of listening, who knows, to podcasts, and maybe we'll have to update that whole system. Oh, you know what?

Justin Edelstein: That would be great if they did that.

Jason Atwood: Thinking of podcasts through the devices as opposed to through iTunes would be much, much better. That would be phenomenal. There you go. There's something you actually want. I want it. Until next week, and as always, enjoy those cloudy days.