IO Here We Come - Episode #43 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:09 Jason Atwood: This is the 43rd episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the second week of May 2011. This episode was titled, IO, Here We Come. CloudFocus Weekly is sponsored by Arkus, your cloud computing experts. I'm your host, Jason Atwood, and joining me is my co-host, for the 43rd time, looking intently at the show notes, trying to figure out if he actually knows what to talk about, is my co-host, Justin Edelstein. Justin, how you doing? Just staring at this Google Wave.

Justin Edelstein: Got it in early. And I'm looking at all the IO news. IO here we came from.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, it was IO here we go, but I thought IO here we come. I don't know. So we got some big news. Basically we got more stuff than we could fit in one podcast. So we're going to take out stuff.

Justin Edelstein: I just watched you cross stuff out in real time on Google Wave. Two times in the first two minutes.

Jason Atwood: That's really good. you wrote a great article we're not gonna talk about that there's some other stuff going on we're not gonna talk about what we are gonna talk about is two big pieces of news one is the Microsoft and Skype won't talk about that to start and then we're gonna talk about Google IO because Google their annual users slash whatever conference Let's call it their Mac world their dream force their WWDC

Justin Edelstein: Compared to WWDC yeah more

Jason Atwood: or WVDC. Macworld, Apple doesn't even do that in Macworld. Because Google really controls it. They give away a lot of free stuff. The fact they gave away one thing that I actually have with me here.

Justin Edelstein: What did they give away?

Jason Atwood: They gave away the new MiFi 4G. Really? Yep. To everybody there. Wow. That's nice. So let's talk about, let's start off and then we'll make our picks of the week, of course. I actually have more picks than I can possibly go with.

Justin Edelstein: That's why we had to cut the show down.

Jason Atwood: I can't decide whether I should make like six picks or if I could just put in a blog post.

Justin Edelstein: do. Yeah, you tell me. Next week we're gonna be, you know, out of the office, sort of.

Jason Atwood: We're gonna be in trading. We're gonna be in trading all week. All week long. I would

Justin Edelstein: put it in a blog post. Okay. I'd pick one. The one you have here is, eh, eh. Well, I

Jason Atwood: like that because it relates to the first story. So does mine. So there you go. Alright, let's get into it. Alright. I will only pick one thing, although I have two really cool

Justin Edelstein: things. Well, I kind of want to hear about them, so maybe I'll have you pick them anyway.

Jason Atwood: And then I'll write a blog about it. All right. So first off, big news. After lots of back and forth, Microsoft has purchased Skype for $8.5 billion. That's a lot of billions. So apparently, Google wouldn't go more than 4.5 or something. And I don't know. I mean, I.

Justin Edelstein: What are you buying when you're buying Skype? Are you buying the technology? Are you buying the user base? Yep. Keep going. Keep going. Yeah. The intellectual property, the people, all the above. Yes. Because like Google has Google Chat, and Microsoft has MSN Messenger, I think still maybe.

Jason Atwood: Exactly. And that's why Microsoft buys Skype. So that's it. Skype is becoming, I mean, I would say, I mean, Skype's been around for a long time. I've been using Skype for a long, long time. Yeah. But it's becoming more and more as networks get better, as they move to having Skype on more platforms, you know, Skype is becoming more and more important and again I was judged by who in my life is using a technology. When my mother starts using technologies and says I've been Skyping because her husband lives far away, they Skype. So when it gets to my mother's age group and they talk about it and use it and I think I had a, the other example is my brother who lives in Massachusetts, he has children, I a child and they like each other so they've had Skype dates where they'll sit with full screen Skype on two MacBooks or two computers and they'll sort of play for like an hour and a half just video chatting using Skype. So if it gets to that level then it's got some you know it's got some name brand you

04:13 Jason Atwood: know it's how a lot of we used to run our podcast over Skype before we came to the same same room. So it's got a lot of that. It seems like it's got sort of the best known. I mean Google Talk, I don't think Google Talk about Google Talk because you need to have a Google Talk address. You have to have a Google address to get into. Skype is sort of independent of everything else.

Justin Edelstein: Well you still need a Skype username. Yes you do. You have to register for Skype. Yes you do. It's like ICQ. Remember old ICQ? Where'd that go? That was, wow.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, I just brought us way back. So thoughts? Thoughts? I mean, Microsoft is sort of known for buying products and sort of turning them into something that, buying cool stuff and kind of turning them. SharePoint they bought. They bought Microsoft Project. They bought Vizio. They bought Groove. They bought their, I mean, they almost don't build anything from scratch anymore. I don't know. Does this make me want to use my Skype more? Probably. It would be baked into the rest of their, like,

Justin Edelstein: collaborative thing that they're trying to do with SharePoint and OCS and UCS and and unified communications now with Skype, as opposed to like, what was that? The enterprise version of the MSN messenger that they, that they gave us at that large financial services institution that we never named. Yeah, I don't know. Remember it was like Microsoft something.

Jason Atwood: Microsoft communicator. My new indicator. Yeah, it was, it was like,

Justin Edelstein: maybe they'll just do something with that. I don't know. I always thought it was intriguing that eBay owned it. Skype. I always thought that they could have done some really interesting things with Skype and they never did. No, they didn't. It's sort of like with PayPal.

Jason Atwood: Like PayPal, they kind of, they sort of eventually did something. You thought, okay, eBay, PayPal, if that makes sense. Well, it's perfect. You pay for your eBay stuff with PayPal.

Justin Edelstein: But I thought Skype, they could have done some really neat, like, you know, you're on a auction and, you know, you could click something to Skype the owner of the thing and ask them a question and like submit like if the owner would allow that obviously but I always thought there could be some interesting things there and it never really turned out to be much more of there was never really any integration points between the two technologies it was just you may own it seems to me

Jason Atwood: Skype is the most agnostic of all the of all of them because it can work on almost any platform and you don't have to have some you don't have another hook so you know if you're on iChat you can do the same stuff but the other person I have an iChat, I have an Gmail, Gtalk, Jabber, I mean all the other ones you have to have another thing. Skype is sort of in and into and on itself, plus they just do a lot with, they can do the calling into it from the phone, like you can call out from Skype and into Skype, so it's got some other cool features. Personally, I don't like it when Microsoft buys things, because I just, their history of buying things and turning them into better things is what we talked about before, like do companies buy these things and then turn them into something better? You know, is Boomi released six new versions of it since it got popped by Dell? Yeah, I don't know. So, we'll see. It's big news, I mean, certainly, splash. But even bigger news is the Google IO Conference. So, a lot of things were announced. Pick two you want to talk about.

07:24 Justin Edelstein: Pick two?

Jason Atwood: Or just rattle them off and then pick. I can only pick two? Well, why don't you pick two and I'll pick two. I picked all of these things, most of them. All right. Well, then let's go through them.

Justin Edelstein: Well, Music Beta is the big one.

Jason Atwood: Yep. I think we should talk about that.

Justin Edelstein: Can't really review it because don't have access to it. Signed up for the beta. Did not get the invite. Did not get an invite. Same here. I've read some reviews. Some were good, some were pretty awful. Really? I read one review that was like, this thing's terrible.

Jason Atwood: I saw a good, I saw Engadger, someone did a review of it. So for people who are not watching the Google I.O. news, Google's released their version of iTunes on Google. In the cloud. In the cloud. 100%.

Justin Edelstein: No syncing, meaning no. Well, that's not true. No plugging in to sync after the first time. After the first time. And ongoing.

Jason Atwood: There's actually an application you sit on your desktop that then will sync upwards. Right. 20,000 song limit. To start. To start. For the beta. For the beta. You can, it has a lot of functionality where you can make playlists, you can play things in real time, you can play, obviously it's streaming so you're, anywhere you are you're, you know, you're able to watch and listen to music.

Justin Edelstein: If you're internet connected, you can grab stuff. This was one of the things I thought that they did that was smart, was that it will cache previously listened to songs that, so I always say, you know, I love Pandora, but when I'm in the subway I can't use it. Well, if I'm going to love Google Music, it's got to work for me when I'm not connected to the internet, because there are times that that happens. Because it's scarcer and scarcer, but it's happening, right?

Jason Atwood: it's not only that I'm not connected, it's I'm not reliably connected. I like putting things on my iPad, iPhone because I'm in and out of the subway. I want to know that the song I'm listening to is just gonna keep going, not be listening to it and then it stops and then start again. So there is something to still having device storage. It looks intriguing. I think it's now just a matter of, there's two things I think come out of it. One is that the the music industry as a whole is saying, hey guys, you haven't really made the agreements with us that Apple's making. Apple's basically doing this the opposite way. It's not just we're launching something. They're trying to get all the agreements to be able to do this.

Justin Edelstein: I wonder how Google got away with this.

Jason Atwood: Same way that Amazon did, which is you own it, we're just storing it for the person, we're just a storage device.

Justin Edelstein: Because they'll take iTunes stuff and throw it up into their Google Music until iTunes says no you're not. Well... And we'll see when that happens.

Jason Atwood: But here's the thing, everybody's waiting to see what Apple will do. Apple has this market locked. Can they come out with a competitor to this product that makes this look like nothing? And then everybody goes, well why would I use any of those? Why would I use the Amazon one? Why would I use the, I already, I already used iTunes so much in my life that I'm not . . .

Justin Edelstein: There are people that don't like iTunes.

Jason Atwood: I guess.

Justin Edelstein: There are plenty of people that don't like iTunes.

Jason Atwood: Note, just note, uh, Apple actually bought iTunes. They didn't build it. one of the few things that they bought and integrated. It was something I think it was called, not Sound Jam, it was called something else. Anyway, so that's one big piece of news. Big one. Next one up?

10:34 Justin Edelstein: In the list, the Android operating systems. So you have the ice cream sandwich, and then Honeycomb after that. And some of them are for mobile devices, some of them are for tablets. They're addressing some issues with form factors, because I think they announced They have like 300 different devices out there that run Android right now. And they're trying to make it easier for developers to be sort of agnostic to those devices and build things once and have it work everywhere. There were some really cool Android features that they were showing off.

Jason Atwood: Name a few.

Justin Edelstein: The at-home feature.

Jason Atwood: The one where it connects up to your?

Justin Edelstein: It just connects to stuff, just random non-networked anything.

Jason Atwood: Or your things in your house. They have lights and things like that. So it's the whole idea of your phone, you're walking around rooms and your phone's telling you things to turn things on and off. Powered by Android. Powered by Android, yep.

Justin Edelstein: Watched them like with an Android tablet using like the tilts, tilting a labyrinth board that was controlling a huge labyrinth board with a bowling ball in it. Okay. Like it was really intriguing. You know what, it's just yesterday. These connecting things were amazing.

Jason Atwood: Just yesterday I was thinking if I could only control a huge wall.

Justin Edelstein: It was more the power of being able to have this device that you're like tilting and moving around and you're watching on the screen and it's actually moving this enormous labyrinth thing with a bowling ball in it. The fact that a device can control these things was rather intriguing.

Jason Atwood: I feel like any device, I could control it with my laptop. Not the biggest news. But by the way. I thought it was pretty cool. doing stuff. We're obviously big iPhone fans, but I love Android doing stuff because whatever they're doing, like their notification system is apparently very, very good and it's something that Apple has been looking at and I'm hoping, you know, I want competition in the market. Yep. All right. Movies. Streaming movies from the Android app store. Android app store with books. Streaming movies.

Justin Edelstein: Right. So they have books, now they're gonna have movies, competitor to like a Netflix. Yep. They just announced movies, right, a deal with a bunch of different movie houses or production houses to provide content over YouTube. So it's presumably the same agreements are in place to now allow you to rent and stream these movies from, right from the Android store.

Jason Atwood: Everybody's getting, we didn't cover it, but Facebook is now doing movie rentals. So you can rent and stream movies through Facebook. You can rent and stream movies obviously through iTunes, through Netflix, Hulu. It's not my pick but one of my picks I can put in every next week is called Crasle or something. It's Sony's version and it's in an app. You download it and you can stream movies, all Sony movies like I was looking and TV shows like Married with Children. Everybody's getting into this. The problem for me now is it's so fragmented. It's like I want to watch a movie. Where do I go? go to ABC player, do I go to Hulu, do I go to Netflix, do I go to Sony crack, I think it's called Crackle, it's called What's Cracking. That's an awful name. Yeah. Do I go to the Android, do I go to YouTube, go to Facebook, yeah just give me, you can see some people coming up with some like, you know, you search a thing that tells you which one, which place you can get it and how much you can rent it for. I do have the same thing, most of the time when I'm like, we're going on this trip, I've loaded up my iPad with four or five movies,

14:05 Jason Atwood: I'm ready to go because I'm going to be on a plane. And that's when I want to watch movies, is when I'm on a plane. When I'm not, I don't know. I have so many other options. So that's cool. Cool, next up?

Justin Edelstein: I'm going to skip the next one because I think it's probably the biggest story.

Jason Atwood: Let's talk about the two API pieces. We'll talk about the two APIs.

Justin Edelstein: I'll take one, you take the other two. I put one on here. I'll talk about the prediction API, which is Google's computer learning API. So it allows developers to include that piece of Google's functionality into their applications, sort of like intelligence, and they've listed a couple of examples of what you might want to use it for, spam detection, recommendation engines, upsell opportunity analysis, diagnostics, language identification, things such as that. Seems like a powerful API to release out into the world of Google code and allow people to leverage and build into their applications. We always talked about, when we were at the large firm, aside from working with Salesforce, we worked with search and search engines on the internet.

Justin Edelstein: And we were always, you know, why can't we just consume this as a service and have, you know, this sort of seems like it's getting into that realm. It's not quite search, but it's sort of going there. Things that like autonomy would do with a like discovery on a, on an audit email box. Like this could potentially do.

Jason Atwood: It, there's, it's, it's an incredible, I mean I, I sort of started to think about it in terms of, because one of the things we know is that there's a great connection between Salesforce and Google API, and so you can use, you can connect up, and we have a couple, you know, proof of concepts we've built, and for clients using the Google charts, which is pretty open and everybody knows it, but it's a nice way to connect up to, you know, two sort of powerful engines. This, you sort of think of, wow, if I could use predictive engines, maybe then in conjunction with something like Jigsaw, and I could bring in data and then do some predictive analysis based on that data and then have that data available to people within Salesforce. Wow, I could do some powerful stuff. I don't really know how else to do it, but yeah, it does sound like cool stuff. The other API they released is their Places API, which you noted, you said you think it's for mobile only. I don't think it's for mobile at all.

Justin Edelstein: No, when I was looking at the, when I was looking at the, uh, you know, the code page, the, uh, for the Places API, it made mention to, you know, it being more of a mobile application

Jason Atwood: That's because some of them because they're so they're allowing the information from places now places for those who don't know Google Places It's there It used to be separate from maps But now it's really integrated with maps and that whenever you go to search for a place on You know blue maps like the local fud ruckers. There will be a places page Which is something that the owner can verify they can upload stuff It's sort of a combination somewhere between four square check-ins Yelp and and kind of like its own like little mini website because you can control what's up there it has an advertising model around it but they're also now moving in all their check-in stuff into places like this is from dodgeball from like five years ago yeah but they already have latitude I have this other thing but releasing the API means or giving access the API at first First I thought, well, great, I can make calls to, I can use businesses and then find their ratings and pull that rating information back into Salesforce or I can, you know, use check-in

17:50 Jason Atwood: stuff. I think it's sort of their fight against place, um, both Foursquare and other sort of, you know, uh, check-in places and Facebook places because they're getting a lot of attention now because people are using this geospacing location, you know, checking into places. So now if they release this API, that means application developers will be able to build things that can check into Google Places at the same time. So interesting, again, big announcement.

Justin Edelstein: I'm reading the code page and it does say that the document's intended for mobile app developers who wish to provide place information to their users as well as provide check-in functionality for visitors to local businesses and points of interest. And then it also, you know, if you're gonna use this in your app, you have to display their logo powered by Google. Google, yeah.

Jason Atwood: I mean, their mapping stuff is still some of the best. I use Google Maps constantly. The integration of places I use a lot. I not, because I can check reviews, it does culmination reviews like hotels. Like example, we're traveling to some place. I went on and I go around and look at all the hotels. What if it aggregates them all together so that you can click on their place page and see what TripAdvisor had, what Hotels.com had, and it creates them all, and read all the reviews. Plus then you can drop down to street view and see what's around there. Very cool stuff. So, awesome. But I think the last news is probably the biggest. Like, this is the iPad announcement of the...

Justin Edelstein: To me this was the biggest.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, this is the huge, huge announcement, which is that they are releasing, in conjunction with Acer and Samsung, Google is releasing a notebook. That doesn't sound so interesting, but it's a notebook that runs Chrome.

Justin Edelstein: Chrome Book.

Jason Atwood: It's called the Chrome Book. It is a, it is a, let's call it a, well, let's go back. Chrome is two things. Chrome is both an OS, an operating system, which no one really talks about, and Chrome is the browser that we talk about all the time. So, they are kind, they're very connected because this is going to run this browser or operating system at a time. When you open up your Chromebook, it will only be running the Chrome operating system. There's no desktop. There is no desktop. You're running a browser. You log into a Google account and that's how you get into it. There's not going to really be much of a file system. All your apps are going to be web apps. Very, very cool stuff. Obviously, they've kind of taken the idea of a laptop and said, you know, if you watch their videos, there are, I don't know, there's probably 10 or so videos, I've watched them all, they have done a lot of, you know, talking about how you'd use this. But what they were saying, which I thought was interesting, was laptops were created, or computers were created years and years ago, mostly, designed when the internet wasn't around. And that now, if you're gonna look at a laptop, I mean, really, most of everything we do is internet related. like go take your iPhone, turn off the internet, and go stay on some place, and you'll see how many apps you just can't use, because they're like, oh, I can't get to the internet, oh, I can't get to the internet. So this is like the opposite, saying, there's nothing you, you want to be connected to the internet constantly, and that's all you can do. It's obviously gonna be an interesting take on how you get offline now, right, because that's the problem now. But it looks, it looks very cool, very, first of all, big ticket things, very cheap, so 350 to 500 bucks. Great battery life eight hours or so the same full day because again, it's just running a browser not a lot of other stuff They're taking out all that middle stuff Built in 3g if you want it and then the really big news which I thought was the subscription model Which is that you bundle in for for education and businesses you bundle and support

21:45 Jason Atwood: upgrades Everything into a subscription model of either 20 or 28 dollars a month which at that point when you're talking about about enabling a new employee with a piece of equipment and saying, here you go, that's 28 bucks a month, here's your $50 a year Google app for your email for all that, and here's your enterprise license for Salesforce, retail $125 a month. You basically, you're spending about 200 bucks maybe, you're maybe throwing a little, a cell phone plan, 200 bucks a month, giving them almost all the tools that they need, which is a lot. Pretty cool stuff. Thoughts?

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't work as my primary computer for me.

Jason Atwood: Why not? Why not? Think about what you do.

Justin Edelstein: It wouldn't work for me. No? No. Why not? Not at all. Well, we're primarily Salesforce consultants, right? Broadcasters sometimes. a broadcaster, I mean I have apps that I need to use that are not web apps. I have a data loader that I can't do without. I have an IDE that I can't really do without. I have, you know, just from a, that's really from a work perspective, from a, you know, from a, you know, I have iTunes. I'm not going to Google Music. First off, they won't let me in just yet. I still, if I need to do a PowerPoint, I'm not doing it on Google Presentation. Why? Because it's not good. I can't do the things I can do in Excel that I can do in Google Sheets. Google Sheets is simplistic and can do some things. But they're still the way that an app feels. Still, the web is getting there. It'll get there. And some of the things that they showed during the Chrome keynote were like, OK, they're kicking it up. Angry birds. They're kicking it up, like, big time. HTML5 and the WebGL, and the WebPits up there are really kicking it up a notch, but still not there. I mean, again, will GoToMeeting work on one of these machines? I don't know.

Jason Atwood: It's a Java app.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I mean, can I connect my Drobo to it? Maybe. Oh, wait. You see, well, that's the thing.

Jason Atwood: You are dealing with this from a, will it, will everything that I have now work? Now of course not, but are there going to be replacements? And if you were to hand this to someone net new and say, okay, yes, you have, I'm the same way. I've got a Drobo with 4.7 terabytes of data sitting in my, in my house. I mean, obviously I'm not the guy who, who uses the internet 100%, but if I look down my doc here and think about the stuff I use, can they all be replaced? Um, you know, quick, quick in and quick books. There's online versions of them. Excel, Sheets, iPhoto, Picasso, Calendar, Address Book, Email, Task Management, OmniFocus. Some would say that there's nothing as good as OmniFocus, but there's other replacements out there. And then I have four browsers sitting in a row, so those are always obviously replaced. Twitter, okay, there's Twitter apps. Are there versions of OmniGraffle and Photoshop? Photoshop's, you know, photo manipulation, I think is one of the things that no one's done very well online, although Photoshop's trying.

25:12 Jason Atwood: Notes, sure, Evernote's online. Even this though, this is a good example. This is recording. We are recording this using a nice big, it's called the Snowball, or a mic, and we're hooked up by a USB, and it's going into GarageBand. But that, I don't, how would that work? How could you record up to the web? What kind of application could do that? I don't know. So I agree, but if you're going to say to someone, you know, who's again It's never starting with the guy who's the high-end guy doing a lot of you know Doing editing movies, but someone whose job it is to go in and and to answer their email every day to Put their data into Salesforce and to do some basic PowerPoints Excel and Word documents and to chat with people hmm Right 20 20 bucks you give them something a student. I think I can I have a six-year-old daughter daughter, I think about giving her this type of thing. Go for it. There's no backup, there's no thing, your stuff's all there, and you don't need to learn to use Excel. Learn to use Sheets, because that's the future.

Justin Edelstein: How close was Palm four or five years ago? With the Folio? Yeah.

Jason Atwood: So, for those of you who don't know, Palm, a company that doesn't exist anymore, bought HP six months ago. Palm was a big maker of the Palm Pilot which was one of the first PDAs, Personal Digital Assistants. They started off with the Palm 5000 I think. They had the Palm 5000, the Palm 5000 Pro. I had one in 1996. I had a Sony Clie that ran Palm OS. That was years later. That's when they actually started. Anyway, the point is they actually, a few years before they went out of business, they they came out with something called the Folio. They never actually launched it.

Justin Edelstein: They announced it, they never launched it.

Jason Atwood: They announced it and it was right between, it was right, it was a month before they announced the first iPhone. No, it was the month between when Salesforce had, so Apple had, Freudian slip, Apple had announced the iPhone and it was shipping. So it was like, they announced it at D7 or D whatever, the D conference, right in between those two days. Everybody's still frothing the mouth because they had never seen this iPhone thing and the iPhone that was coming in June. announced at the end of May. Why do I remember this? Because I just remember thinking, what bad timing? And it was this small little device, it was like a laptop. I still have one.

Justin Edelstein: It was like a netbook before netbooks existed.

Jason Atwood: Connected up to your palm.

Justin Edelstein: And it connected to your palm trio for its internet connection.

Jason Atwood: And for syncing, and it would pull your email from your palm trio down, and it ran a version of the Palm OS and it had a bunch of stuff on it. It had a browser on it, it was very light, a long battery life.

Justin Edelstein: It had a music player on it.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, it was somewhere. Documents to go. It had a SD card. Had a couple little things.

Justin Edelstein: It was close to this, but that was like five years ago. Yeah. But it just, they just missed.

28:13 Jason Atwood: Well, they missed, they had that problem of, they got lost in the thing, they were losing money, and they hadn't updated their operating system in so many years that everybody was just lapping them and lapping them well. And I was a huge palm guy. They got lapped a million times over. This I think is great, because this is cloud operating system. This is 100% cloud, right? If you're talking about for people who deal mostly in cloud technologies, this is the beginning of 100% connected, no hard drives, not needing it. Everything you do in the cloud. Is there limitations? Sure. But for the price point and for what you could give, I think it's amazing. And that they're pushing it to get there. Because where we are now and where we're going to be in five years from now, we might have solved all these problems that you're saying. I don't know. I'm all for it. I'm buying one.

Justin Edelstein: I'm thinking about it. I won't buy one for the office. I might buy one for the, right. This is our configuration machine. Yeah. Or just to hit the web. Hopefully it's fast as all heck.

Jason Atwood: Well, I think that was one of their points was that a lot of companies have their employees on seven year old, eight year old machines because it's too expensive to buy them two, $3,000 machines and because of support and uptake. I think building in the support also what they're, what they're saying is there is no version. It's like a, it's like a cloud laptop, right? There's no version. It will always come down and get updated. It's a claptop. It's a claptop. Cloud top. Cloud. No, that's not. No, no. It's a Chromebook. Chromebook. I don't like that. Chromebook is a little bit whatever.

Justin Edelstein: It is the name of the, it's all it is.

Jason Atwood: I also think it throwing a gauntlet out there to the other company saying, look, we're all in. Where's your cloud strategy? Specifically to Apple, right? Apple's the one that has some of the hottest hardware out there, has some of the most buzz around everything they're doing, but their cloud strategy isn't great, right? It's based on MobileMe, which they've shut down or they haven't done. is no cloud version of iTunes. They have a great internet strategy. They don't have a very good cloud strategy. And we'll see if they respond in kind.

Justin Edelstein: Google has two operating systems now. And now they're more real. And they're both pretty mobile. So they're on the right track.

Jason Atwood: I think the problem with Google at this point, and this is going to get into a Google conversation, is that what are you guys about anymore? Like, you're now, like, I get it, World's Information, which was their mission, you know, to collect the world's information and make it available. Some of this stuff doesn't seem like the world's information anymore. It's very, it's a very fragmented company.

Justin Edelstein: Well, everything's information, so...

Jason Atwood: Yeah, well that's all catch-all.

Justin Edelstein: If you get into a philosophical discussion about that, but if my laptop is, you know, my Chromebook, if none of my information is actually on the book, and it's somewhere else, but I just get to it from the book. And I could, like in some of the videos, throw the book in a swamp, and then go get another book, and all my data's there. Well, then they are collecting my data and storing it for me and organizing it the way that I need it.

31:28 Jason Atwood: And I think the way that the world is going, and people not caring about that, 10 years ago if I said all your email, all your personal information, all your documents, all your pictures, all your music's all stored on the internet, and just use the internet, and you would say, oh my god, that's my personal information. I'm going to get hacked. I'm going to get whatever. We've become so accustomed to sharing everything we have and putting it in the cloud. I mean, I almost don't think twice about when I do a connect up to my Twitter, or again, the app that I'm not going to pick today. You know, immediately said, can I connect up to your Twitter and do something? I said, sure.

Justin Edelstein: Well, now I'm going to check your Twitter feed, and I'm going to find out exactly what that app is going to be.

Jason Atwood: All right, so let's go. Speaking of apps, that's the big I-O stuff. We were deep into a 25 minute, 30 minute conversation about it. Overall, great stuff. I mean, Google's innovating, which I like. Because when you look at other companies out there, I don't know, IBM, Microsoft, where's their innovation? They're not innovating. They're buying Skype. That's not innovation. That's buying a company. Google is really innovating some of this stuff and pushing the envelope like the other companies. Other note I will say is when I went to the Google Chromebook for business, two company logos popped out at me. Let me guess. Well, because you saw on my Twitter just now. Appirio and Salesforce listed in there in their logos, and one of our clients, Kip.

Justin Edelstein: Oh, you don't say. I do say.

Jason Atwood: Just did. You just did say that. All right. Let's hear your cloud focus. Pick of the week and don't make it a Chromebook.

Justin Edelstein: Chromebooks now available. No. So I'm actually picking a product that I used for the first time a couple weeks back and wasn't aware that it actually just got purchased by eBay about 10 days ago. The product is called Mission Fish. The website is missionfish.org. It was recently acquired by eBay but essentially the way that this works is as a eBay auctioneer, somebody who... Oh, yeah. You were talking about this the other day. Yeah, somebody who puts stuff on eBay and sells it, and I just recently sold a...

Jason Atwood: You don't actually put a lot of stuff on eBay.

Justin Edelstein: No, not at all, but I do it from time to time. I'm talking about those who do this, not me. I do it a lot. Great. Good for you. You win. Victory for you. So how do we use Mission Fish? You should use Mission Fish. It's built right into eBay. I didn't even know...and then they bought it. It was amazing. So I was selling my Slingbox. I no longer needed my Slingbox, so I was selling it on eBay and as I was selling it, it gave me the option to donate a percentage of my, of whatever the auction ended at to a charity. So Mission Fish I guess is the engine behind that. So you can sign up as a non-profit and you can sign up to, I guess, make yourself available within eBay auctions and get a percentage of whatever people sort of decide to give to you. I'm sure that they do many, many more things, but it's really billed as sort of the way

34:49 Justin Edelstein: to fundraise on eBay.

Jason Atwood: Very cool. Yeah, I thought it was really cool. Free to the user, and sort of just as you go to configure, you can pick, I assume any percentage from one to 100.

Justin Edelstein: Any percentage from one to 100, yeah, absolutely.

Jason Atwood: You pick 100 percent, do you still pay fees? I don't know about the fees,

Justin Edelstein: but the way it works is actually you, so the way this worked for me was my item sold for like $47 or something, and I didn't realize that it was only gonna sell for $47, so I said 10%, I was like, oh, 10% is a good amount, but then I thought about it, I was like, I probably should have given more, but anyway. Um, I got the full amount, $47. Into your PayPal? Into my PayPal and then like a week or two later, $4.70 came out of my PayPal. I see. And went to the charity. I see.

Jason Atwood: It would be interesting, I don't know if they do this, I would say, it would be interesting if they would give you a discount on the fees, the PayPal and eBay fees which are, can get, can ride up there. I mean I've sold some pretty expensive things. I actually sold a car on eBay, although that is a fixed fee, it wasn't a percentage. And it would be interesting if they would give you a discount on the fee if you use Mission Fish, sort of as a non-profit incentive to say, if you use Mission Fish, we'll waive your 99 cent listing fee, maybe. Just something to make it kind of, you know, to throw in some thing. I've mentioned one cause before, which I still use a lot, and I still raise tons of money which is you know you can pick a school and you shop to them and a percentage goes. Very cool. Mission Fish. MissionFish.org. All right. Well I have many. I am going to pick one and this one just came up because we were talking about Skype. I guarantee I will write a blog post for next week which we can then discuss at that point or not about the other. I have three or four others that I've been just playing with and some are really great. But my pick of this week is going to be something which I'm sure people maybe know about but they don't know about this piece of it because the most people I've talked to about it don't know that this piece exists. So Skype. Skype is a way you can talk from computer to computer, from phone to computer, from computer to phone. And if you're an iPhone user, iPhone 4, you have something called, I think on 3 or no, only 4. 4 and the new iPads.

Justin Edelstein: I think it's on 3. Is it FaceTime?

Jason Atwood: Let's go FaceTime, which is their...

Justin Edelstein: No, it's on Forks, the front facing camera. Right.

Jason Atwood: So FaceTime is a application that comes on your new iPad and your new iPhone that allows you to make a video call to someone else. So it's cool. And then when it first came out, you and I played around, FaceTime back and forth, and you can switch to camera view and it's great. But you always feel like, well, I have to call someone on their phone. I'm already calling them on the phone and whatever. What I don't think a lot of people know is that there's actually an application for the Mac called FaceTime that you sit on your Mac and you can dial from your Mac to the phone. So I do this all the time when I want to talk to somebody and I video chat, very much like Skype I dial, you can use FaceTime for Mac which is 99 cents. It's available in, probably only runs on Snow Leopard but it's available in the App Store. 99 cents. It had to charge for it. was free, but then I think there's some accounting rule, can't give away stuff for free. So this 99 cents was pretty good. And basically it's like Skype or iChat or whatever with video,

38:23 Jason Atwood: but the difference is that you can, when you call, it calls the phone. And so you can call someone on an iPhone or on an iPad, which really becomes cool because you can use an iPad, a Wi-Fi on the iPad and a computer and not, you're avoiding phones altogether, but you're making this great connection and the iPad's great for holding because you can hold it and kind of have a conversation. So anyway, FaceTime for OS X, 99 cents. Have you tried it from the computer too?

Justin Edelstein: Definitely done it on the computer. Whether I knew I was doing it to somebody's phone or not, yeah, we've done it.

Jason Atwood: Yeah. I like it. I like it. It's a nice...

Justin Edelstein: I mean, it works. We tend to use iChat.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, well, I actually had sort of an awareness, but what's nice about FaceTime is I can do, I can put the iPad next to my computer, right? One of the problems with things is it's always like the screen that you're seeing. So I put the iPad next to me, I call you, I can call you on your, you know, your computer, and then I can use the video chat off the iPad while I'm doing something else on the computer. So we can kind of have an ongoing conversation. that point it comes more like a video phone. Right? It's not, it's not in your computer, it's like a video phone. It's in the computer. It's not in the computer. It's right there. Anyway, so FaceTime for the Mac, OS X, 99 cents. And that's our Cloud Focus app. Pics of the week, as it were. Just popped your case. So there, we did not talk about a blog post that you wrote. That's at blog.arkasinc.com.

Justin Edelstein: I wrote a good one this week. We did not talk. Critically acclaimed.

Jason Atwood: about any of our Twitter activity, but if you want to follow Arcus, it's twitter.com slash arcus inc. I'm at twitter.com slash jasonmatwood. You might be seeing some more activity due to my pick of the week that I'll be putting in the blog next week. Twitter.com slash just edelstein is Justin here. As always, we're on Facebook because who isn't? We're actually in places too, so how about that? Go to Google Maps and type in Arcus Inc. I I think New York and you'll see our places page. Really? Yep. I did that. I'm gonna look great. There you go. Or Facebook.com slash ArcaSync. And then the podcast is as always on iTunes.

Justin Edelstein: There we are, there's our place page. Yep, we have a...

Jason Atwood: Really nice. Thanks. Has our logo. Yes. Has our website. Yes it does. And if you wanna subscribe to the podcast, go to iTunes. We actually got two new reviews this week. Some people left us some nice fives, five stars. So if you wanna do that, that'd be great. We love reviews on the podcast. Always helpful. Or you can hit us up on Twitter or put it up on Facebook. Either way, we love it. But again, until next week when we will probably be podcasting from a different state, enjoy those Chrome days. Wait, no. Enjoy that cloud book. No. Lap cloud. No. Enjoy the cloudy days.