Warner Does It - Episode #36 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 36th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the third week of the crazy month of March. Some place mad, I don't know. 2011, this episode titled, Warner Does It. CloudFocus Weekly is sponsored by Arkus, your cloud computing experts. And I'm your host, Jason Atwood. And joining me, the co-host, because he is madder than a hatter, is Justin Edelstein. Justin, how are you doing? How you doing? I'm doing well.

Justin Edelstein: It's a wonderful afternoon in New York City. It's supposed to get to 70 degrees, some Mayweather. You are wearing shorts. I'm wearing shorts. Phenomenal. It's awesome. It's madness. It is madness.

Jason Atwood: We have a few mad things on our agenda today. I have a blog post about backing up, entitled Backing Up is Hard to Do.

Justin Edelstein: It's a phenomenal post.

Jason Atwood: Phenomenal.

Justin Edelstein: I learned a thing or two. Good.

Jason Atwood: HP going to the clouds. Time Warner does streaming. Google Apps feature release changes and update. And then we'll end up with our seven questions for Parker Harris. We'll talk about a couple. He did a little quick interview. Parker Harris, the co-founder of Salesforce.com, just to let you know. And then we'll finish with the Cloud Focus app pick of the week, which it looks like you have two. I think you're going to throw one in there. I have done two in the past, so that's fine. And then we'll wrap it up. So let's get started with all good things to go first. I'm not going to talk a lot because we have a huge agenda this week, but I wrote an article or a blog post about backing up. And it was basically I gave sort of the things I've learned in the last 10 years of running systems and technologies and doing my own personal backups, much more focused on personal. I think the things that I'd want to say that I'd take away from it are that, is that the rule of three, which I don't know if that's the thing that you learned about or you learned, but the rule of three is nothing exists unless it's in three places.

Justin Edelstein: The rule of three and some of the products that you used were interesting. That was the things that I took away from it, was the three places and on-site, off-site being very key in the one copy next to your computer doesn't count as a backup. It's got to be somewhere else.

Jason Atwood: And I think that people always say, oh, I've got a backup. But there's so many that's sitting right next to my computer. But if there's a fire or a theft, someone comes and steals your computer.

Justin Edelstein: Or a flood if it's on the floor.

Jason Atwood: Or a flood, then you lose that. But then they say, oh, well, I use cloud backup. I have a couple friends that just use cloud backup. And I know that's not going to help you if you lose your computer. You lose your computer, again, you take this computer for me right now, my brand new MacBook Pro, and you smashy-smashy with a hammer, I would say, at first, after the repercussions of smashing, smashing me with it, things that would happen at first that did that to me, I would go to the Apple Store up the street, I'd give them a credit card, I'd purchase one, I'd go home, I'd plug it in, and I'd say, back up from my Time Machine backup that happened this morning at 7. So I might lose whatever few hours worth of work that I have saved locally, which is probably almost nothing. So you want to be able to get back to work fast. And you can get back to work fast with a full backup that is on a local drive that you have access to. End of story. Then you want to make sure that some of your stuff, or all of it, is also in the cloud. So if you were to, if the unforeseeable happened, earthquakes, hurricanes, whatever, and you lost the

03:40 Jason Atwood: computer and the backup that was sitting there, you want to make sure that you can get back to a slower recovery, but still have your key files. So your emails, all your files. I use multiple strategies, as I wrote in the podcast, or in the blog post. I do that every week. But I use multiple strategies, because I don't even trust one cloud service. I've been using MobileMe for a long time. I've actually never lost anything on MobileMe.

Justin Edelstein: Well, MobileMe is not a full backup. I mean, they only give you, what is it, 10 gig? 20? 20, depending on what service you buy. It's more for files.

Jason Atwood: So I just put all my files in there. Yeah, because basically.

Justin Edelstein: It's not like you could back up your iTunes library to MobileMe. No.

Jason Atwood: In my iTunes library, I leave on my Jobo. And I have a theory about the iTunes library. It's too huge to back up. I mean, I have like four. I think my iTunes library is like 2.7 terabytes. It's large. But I don't want. You just showed off a little bit. I did, a little bit, a little bit with my terabytes. But again, a lot of them are movies that I've ripped from my own DVDs that I have. That if I lost those DVDs, and I think this is where you have to think about too is your data is like, what's going to cause you the most headache? And if you lose pictures of your kids, you're going to cry for a long time. If you lose 10 Michael Jackson albums that you bought on iTunes, eh. Go buy them again. Or if you lose a movie. Oh, I can't go see Sixteen Candles, or I own it on DVD and I have to re-rip it. That's the one you chose? I don't know. Sixteen Candles. Conan the Destroyer.

Justin Edelstein: You could have said any movie in the world. I was thinking of one. Sixteen Candles. Anyway. So read the blog post.

Jason Atwood: It's up on blog.arcasync.com. I think it's good. I think it gives an overview. And I kind of use the tools that I actually use and some of the strategy. And I thought it was great. Oh, good. Well, thank you.

Justin Edelstein: I learned some stuff from it. Really good. All right. Not often I can say that I learned something from you. Yeah. It was great.

Jason Atwood: That's not often at all. So the next story is about Hewlett Packard basically painting a road to the cloud, which is interesting. So this, again, it's sort of a pressy, releasey type of thing to say, we see the cloud as a way to go. But interesting in that they are sort of embracing it. And as bigger companies, as IBMs and Microsofts and companies that have been traditionally not about the cloud, because they build services and things that aren't, as they start to say, this is the way we're going, I think it just changes. It's just another push on the industry to say, start to think about this as a real alternative.

Justin Edelstein: Well, isn't HP, or haven't they traditionally been more of a hardware company?

Jason Atwood: Well, yeah, HP started as a hardware company, did hardware for a long time, fought against. I mean, was on rice to use HP, because it was sort of the corporate thing. They actually then went into having stores. So they had the whole Apple model, the Apple Store model. They had brought all these HP stores across the country. I think they had 25 at one point. They all failed miserably.

Justin Edelstein: I know them mostly for PCs, laptops, printers. That's what I think of HP.

06:43 Jason Atwood: And they bought Pong last year.

Justin Edelstein: So they're getting into operating system with WebOS. And now it looks like they're moving into the software as a service model, where we're good at hardware, and maybe we could just stack up a bunch of hardware and create a web service or a cloud service out of it. They can touch their cloud. Say, here's my cloud. It's right here.

Jason Atwood: It's bending off jokes. And so an important thing.

Justin Edelstein: Well, they're talking about being a public cloud, not a private cloud. So that's good.

Jason Atwood: But what do they know about software? So again.

Justin Edelstein: Well, that's the thing. That's what I was trying to say. I think of them as a hardware company. So they'll probably have some great hardware for their public cloud to sit on.

Jason Atwood: That doesn't make any sense. Those words you just said don't make any sense.

Justin Edelstein: They'll have good stacks in their data center.

Jason Atwood: Stacks of land.

Justin Edelstein: But they bought WebOS. They're working on different tablet devices, which again, are hardware. But when you think about tablets and little web, what they call it like web laptops, those little laptops. I mean, the cloud is really the way to go on those things. Because as good as an iPad is with apps, they really need to connect to something. So maybe they're trying to pull all that stuff together in their strategy and say, well, web OS is all about the web, and here's this cloud service that you can build apps on, and maybe that's what they're thinking. But clearly they see that as being the future, not necessarily their hardware business and building up software.

Jason Atwood: And as much as cloud computers don't want to admit it, the cloud exists on someone's hardware. So Salesforce uses Dell. So the cloud has to sit on someone's hardware. So it's not like they're not self-propagating. If they were to build a cloud, they wouldn't build it with Dell servers. They'd build it with HP servers. Well, that's what I was saying. So yeah, so there's a benefit to them. I just wonder, because I've been in software for a long, long time, from anywhere from a programmer to whatever, I just know it's a very difficult thing to do. And the companies that can build software correct or build good software are few and far between. So lots of companies can build crappy software. The ones that can build successful long-term software are just, there's not a lot of them out there. I would say, does HP have the intelligence, or even the, I'm flubbing on words, but the, I'm trying to say society, I don't know, I'm gone.

Jason Atwood: The culture? The culture, the culture to build software. Because what we talk about a lot, it's unlike building a bridge, it's unlike building almost anything else, because it does change and evolve and moves and shakes, and there's always updates to it, and the scenarios that you can run against it just are limitless. So maybe they will, and interesting that they're getting there. Again, I know they're just a big push towards companies thinking about it. The next one is actually a little more interesting, I think, in terms of in the last couple weeks, we've talked a lot, because I think it's a huge movement this year, which is sort of cloud TV or cloud entertainment, right? Having all these services that are now streaming stuff down to you or streaming stuff from your own services, but streaming it to you. And now Time Warner, a local cable company, has jumped in and said we, and I actually launched and now there's been reviews of it, a application for the iPad that can stream

10:29 Jason Atwood: not just, a lot of people have put out, DirecTV has put out like, all of them have put out the I can manipulate or see or even send to my DVR if I want to like record things, like control stuff. This is the first one to put out. You can watch our service. So Time Warner Cable, although limited, there's only certain channels, there's only like 20 channels. But you can watch stream live cable TV over Wi-Fi to your iPad, so yes, the limitations. Only certain channels. 32 channels. Only in your house, only over Wi-Fi. So it actually looks to, I think this is actually pretty smart. It looks to the cable, the location it's getting it from. So it'll only allow it to come from a Time Warner cable internet provider. Which I think for people who might have Time Warner for their cable and Verizon for their whatever, they have a DSL line, I think those people might go, ooh, maybe I should switch over to Cable Mode because I get this other feature. I've heard there's some issues with it, like sound and stuff on the iPad.

Justin Edelstein: I'm sure there's plenty of issues with it.

Jason Atwood: But they made a big splash.

Justin Edelstein: Well, I've been doing this for a long time. I have a SlingBox, and I've had one forever.

Jason Atwood: Explain to the people who don't want a SlingBox.

Justin Edelstein: SlingBox is phenomenal. That's all I need to say. Now, a SlingBox is a box. It's a set-top box. That slings? That slings. Essentially, you plug your cable into the back of the SlingBox, and then you route the cable through the SlingBox into your TV. or you can just go, you know, in, has an in and an out essentially, you can just put your cable into it. And then you connect it to your internet as well, connect over wifi, and then it can shoot your TV, the box that it's connected to, out to wherever you are to an app.

Jason Atwood: It takes in video, it encodes it for streaming, and then streams it out back out over the internet.

Justin Edelstein: Back out over the internet to you via an app that you can have on your PC, on your Mac, on your laptop, on your iPad, on your iPhone, it works over 3G. You can control it with the remote control, you can set your DVR, you can watch things on your DVR. It's amazing.

Jason Atwood: It's like a takeover of your home. Of your cable box. Cable box, right.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, it's pretty awesome. I've been using it for years, like four or five years now I've had it. So this to me is cool that the cable companies are jumping in and saying, oh, we're going to include that type of service. But not quite as cool as what Slingbox can do, because Slingbox can, I can be in an airport and on my iPhone, hop to my cable and watch something I DVR'd last night. Or forget that I need to DVR something for tomorrow, because I'm not going to be home and DVR it. Or watch something live, exactly. So I mean, this is.

Jason Atwood: The limitation is you have to be watching what's on the cable at the time.

13:30 Justin Edelstein: Literally controlling that cable box. So if someone were at home watching TV, which I've done, I've changed the channel on them. And then they text me like, hey, what are you doing? Sorry.

Jason Atwood: I assume that won't be a problem. But OK, that's cool. That's very cool.

Justin Edelstein: So yeah, I think Slingbox is awesome. But this is a step in the right direction for some of these, particularly for Time Warner, putting an app out on the iPad. I mean, it doesn't have certain features that I think people wanted, like DVR scheduling, remote control to be able to like you know punching numbers think you have to like slide through all of the channels that are available it's good only thirty two but you know it it's it's it's it's live and they've made a big marketing splash there's been we're here in new york and time where is one of the big providers here in new

Jason Atwood: york all that

Justin Edelstein: not yours but they're all over commercials for this thing so it's like you know they they just show the i pad like in different places in someone's house like what you can be anywhere watching your TV, now you don't need to buy a TV. You can just use this thing.

Jason Atwood: Basically gives you, I think the way they've architected it, it gives you a movable TV in your house. And to be honest, my iPad gives you a lot of stuff. But TV is a lot. Streaming Netflix and watching movies and now streaming internally and Hulu, that's a lot of what I use the iPad for.

Justin Edelstein: I think I use the iPad 90% of the time to do just that.

Jason Atwood: I have maybe a pick of the week that will help out with that. Me too. So interesting. Again, I love it. Give me more and different ways to access data and make the time shift and make the location shift just transparent. I love watching a Netflix season. We're now on Scrubs. We're watching Scrubs. And I finish one episode on the big TV. And then we head to bed and boot up the iPad. And it's right where I left off. And it's just seamless. And it works. Do that. And I'm happy. I will pay you money. I, Jason Atwood, will pay you money if I can get access to stuff, make it easy. I have Time Warner. I could get Time Warner in my apartment, so maybe I'll get it just so I can do this. No. No, you won't. That would be ridiculous. Oh, wait. But maybe. So next story.

Justin Edelstein: Time Warner had the NFL Network, maybe. That's true, they don't. I've got an NFL Network. RCN does. Go ahead. All right. So our next story. Google Apps feature release process. They've changed it. They listened to us. We listened to the Cloud Focus Weekly Podcast. And we've talked about this many times, where Google Apps is a great service. And you always get the latest and greatest things that they put out without having to install patches or whatever. But sometimes, in an enterprise situation, that is not what you want. You don't want to wake up one day, go to work, and have a brand new user interface without knowing that that was coming. So Google's changing their feature release process. They're giving you an option, essentially two tracks that you can join as a Google Apps administrator, essentially. You control this. So you can join the rapid release program or the scheduled release program. And the rapid release program is essentially you get access

16:49 Justin Edelstein: to the new features as soon as they've been completed and and QA'd by Google. So essentially what happens now. So as soon as they release it, you get it. No notice, no nothing. Here it is. If you didn't want it, doesn't matter. You got it. Sometimes it's a good thing. Sometimes it's more storage and Gmail. Sometimes it's more attachment types that you can attach to Google Docs. But sometimes it's like, here's a new user interface. And we didn't tell you it was coming, so have fun training your users when they log in. The other process is the scheduled release process. So scheduled release, you can gain access to new features on a regular weekly release schedule following the initial release of the features. So the delay essentially allows the administrator to familiarize themselves with all the features in a test domain. So you sort of get access to the features in like a sandbox, educate the support staff, take screenshots, communicate the changes to your users, and then then they'll be released on the schedule each Tuesday with at least one week notice following the initial feature launch. So it's still not like change it when I want to change it, but at least it gives you a little time to you know, do the screenshots, do the, I mean you don't really necessarily have to do the testing but because they sort of do that for you, make sure it doesn't break.

Jason Atwood: If you have any connections, right?

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, you still want to do some testing.

Jason Atwood: Or if there's compliant issues around it.

Justin Edelstein: And communications, compliant issues, support, right? Get support up on the new UI or the new feature that someone might be like, what is this? So good for Google for taking this first step. I think it's a first step. They need to do more, I still think, in this space in giving people more control over opting into features that come out.

Jason Atwood: But this is a good first step. It is something that I think Salesforce is, again, Salesforce, the company that we talk about a lot because we're the most connected to them, but they have a similar thing in a couple ways. One is they have a very scheduled release. I still think they do it better, meaning they give you at least six weeks to test stuff out. So you get at least a six-week window that you can go in and test out the new release.

Justin Edelstein: In your environment. In your environment. They even give you pre-release before that. Like a dev, this is totally fresh. Not your sandbox, but fresh.

Jason Atwood: And they're on a very scheduled release cycle. So you know, if you've been around Salesforce for more than a year, you know there's going to be roughly three. There almost always is three. You know there's going to be one in January, February, one in June. I think it's always June, May, June. And one in the fall, let's call it October, November. And you know that's when they're going to hit. And so it's like you don't have to plan, you don't have to say, oh, is there going to be a release this fall? You know that. And it's a big release to all the things. So there's features under all of them. This, it sounds like they're like, every week you could be looking for another set, which I think is actually harder to do. It's like, because then every week I've got to be paying attention, as opposed to I've got to pay attention three times a year.

20:07 Justin Edelstein: As an administrator of an enterprise-wide system, you should be paying attention every day.

Jason Atwood: But to new releases? New features? I think so. No, you've got to be doing something else.

Justin Edelstein: If your job is to administer, let's just say you were the exchange guy. Yeah. I mean, you should be sort of eating.

Jason Atwood: Don't want to exchange because it's too much of a nightmare.

Justin Edelstein: Well, that's what I mean. Like, you're on top of stuff like every day. I think this would be easier for you.

Jason Atwood: I think that I would suggest to them that they change another track and they make it. They put these releases, the ones that you get to scheduled release, that they don't do it a one week after. because that still makes them put, they put it on Monday, you have got until the next Monday to get it right. I think they should go to sort of schedule release at least monthly and then bundle them. So if they're gonna do a docs, email, whatever, whatever happened in that last month would then happen on that day. So then you can communicate out. So the other thing is users, they don't wanna see like literally new feature, new fee, you wanna be able to communicate in like, here's a bunch of new stuff to go look at. Not one thing, one thing, one thing. So good start, long way to go. I think Salesforce does it much, much better in terms of scheduling it on a

Justin Edelstein: LOUIS GRAYSTON They also have the opt-in stuff.

Jason Atwood: They have much better opt-in.

Justin Edelstein: They give you the feature, and then you go turn it on. Mostly. Sometimes they just turn stuff on. But most of the time, it's like, here's some features. Check a box.

Jason Atwood: So speaking of checking a box, I don't know how I'm going to do this, seven questions for Salesforce Parker Harris.

Justin Edelstein: So let's pick one that we each like.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, so it's actually from the All Things Digital D, which they have their D conference. It's actually a great conference, if you can afford it, but they do some really interesting. So Parker Harris, co-founder of Salesforce.com, he's the infrastructure guy. He's the guy who builds on everything. Mark's out there talking, yipping about this and that. Parker's the guy doing the stuff in the background, making sure it all works, making sure Mark's vision comes true. So it's seven questions for them. I don't think there was any huge, it talked a little about their Tokyo, they have a new pod, is what they call them in Salesforce, pod they're putting in Tokyo. It's okay, it's not part of this earthquake problem or issue, but they talked about Chatter, and how did they get ready for it. They used Akamai as their load balancer or their content delivery network, CDN. Yeah, it was kind of interesting. I think the thing, the piece I saw between the lines was sort of, did Chatter, the commercial, get you what you thought it was going to get you? And what Parker kind of says is, yeah, we got a lot of people coming to the website. We got a lot of people at the sign-up page. And it was a great success. That to me, if you don't say the number, that kind of means you didn't get what you wanted.

Justin Edelstein: Going back to the number, when we talked about Cloudforce, New York, and we said, how many customers will have signed up for Chatter, I think the number ended up being like 80,000.

23:13 Jason Atwood: It was 85,000, right? Yeah, 80 or 85,000.

Justin Edelstein: I think my guess was 85, yours was like 250. Yeah. And it was like 80. Or both wrong. Both wrong. Price is right rules.

Jason Atwood: Yep.

Justin Edelstein: So, I mean, clearly they didn't get the spike I think that they thought they were gonna get immediately from Chatter.com.

Jason Atwood: I just went through training this week with a client and I did three training sessions with two different clients. So I have like in this. So I had to explain and train on chatter three different times. And it's still difficult. I'm a guy who uses chatter. I'm a guy who's out there in the Twitterverse. We had a lot of I don't like Facebooks. And that's not. It's the second time I didn't mention Facebook. It is not an easy thing to describe. It's kind of.

Justin Edelstein: When someone contracts with you to set up a CRM system, chatter's not what they're thinking they're getting.

Jason Atwood: That's not true though. All the clients that we have that are setting up Salesforce, they're excited by Chatter. They love the concept, like the big picture stuff. Like, oh, it's communication. But then when you get down to the how do you use it, it's something that you actually have to try. Just like I think we worked on it, I mean, this has gone a little bit back, but we've had access to Chatter for a long time. And I've been using Chatter for a long, It wasn't until we kind of really started using it for, I would say, two months before we kind of said, oh, okay, I can shift what I'm doing over here to here, and that makes more sense. There's still cases where I think, you did one the other day, you put up something on Chatter, and I said, could you put it in the Google Wave? Good one. Yep, good. It was okay there, but I didn't want it there because I wanted more of a permanent record of it. Chatter kind of has a non-permanency to it. disappears because it gets out of your feed.

Jason Atwood: And so there's certain things that you posted some other thing, and I thought that was good because it was a one-time shot. I wanted to look at it, but if it disappears in two months, I can find it. So I think it's really about trying to get your head around it, work it into your process. And that's not an easy thing. And it's good news for people, I guess, who do chatter implementations to really help companies work on how they implement chatter. It's not just turning on a feature. It's implementing. Anyway, so seven questions, a great article. It's on all things digital or all things D. Came out actually this morning. Now, speaking of things that came out this morning, I think we're doing some CloudFolks app picks of the week. Today is Friday, March 18th. So March Madness is full underway. So I expect you to pick a March Madness pick. That is correct. Are you going to go two or one?

Justin Edelstein: Because we're running low on time.

Jason Atwood: what do you want one and then do the real i'll do a fun first act so we should

Justin Edelstein: talk about spirit streaming uh... march man is on demand

Jason Atwood: five that

Justin Edelstein: from the nc double-a uh... is is fantastic i mean you hop on acting on the i've had and you can stream every game live see the box course use that jump from game to game it is awesome house at my girlfriend's house last night she hates basketball so she was sitting there watching like glia dvr and i'm sitting there with my and watching but it was just awesome

26:41 Jason Atwood: who i just made me see anything house and our financing right now is the class weeks old go with the real thing to tell you that are

Justin Edelstein: not a real thing is very useful because you get up against the limit in our or uh... in our side was a chatterfall you had five hundred things that you were

Jason Atwood: following even if i find that you know it still suggests that you fall thing

Justin Edelstein: Oh, that's not right.

Jason Atwood: Do you know, even if you've unfollowed things, it still suggests that you follow things you've unfollowed?

Justin Edelstein: It shouldn't do that. But anyway, my favorite force.com labs put a free app out on the AppExchange called Chatter Unfollow Rules. And it is what it sounds like. You go in, there's an unfollow tab. You click the tab. It brings up a page. and it allows you to for each object uh... create rules that uh... are basically logic the this equals that uh... opportunity stage equals closed one after two days along following you know where you know we track projects projects equals archive after two days let me on following or immediately that night let me on following runs on a batch every night and it works. It runs through and unfollows records for you and when you hit up against that 500 you need something to automate that for you because it's a pain

Jason Atwood: to go through and unfollow things. Very smart. I mean, the ones that we have in, we do track our invoices in Salesforce so once it's been paid, no one wants to follow it anymore. Who cares? It's kind of a dead object at that point. Issues, once they've been closed, you You don't want to follow them. Leads converted, once they've been converted, you don't want to follow an old non-converted lead or a converted lead. Yeah, a closed opportunity, once it's closed, it's a piece of history. Generally things shouldn't happen to it. So you can say two weeks after or whatever. It's a great, great tool. It shouldn't be, it should be built in.

Justin Edelstein: It should be built in and more than 500 things following should also be built in. Yeah. I'm sure once they, they gotta scale it out. Once they do, it will, I imagine. Safe harbor. Yes.

Jason Atwood: Safe harbor, safe harbor, safe harbor, t-shirt. All right, great pick. I'm gonna pick two things. I'll make my fun pick first. Because, so my fun pick first is for the new iPad. I got the new iPad, I love it, love it, love it. They're both for the new iPad, one's fun. Real Racing HD 2, Real Racing 2 HD, a racing game. Unbelievable. I literally am addicted to this thing. I'm racing. You can get cars and championships or whatever. Awesome. And then the other one is WebEx for the iPad. It's now WebEx 2. It's free. You can use it on WebEx. The thing they've added, video. So you can now use it for video in the video conferencing, and it'll show you multiple people in the conference with you. So I love using WebEx for the iPad to join meetings. You can do audio. You can do everything you can do, almost online. You can't share your own thing. but now includes video and uses the camera so you can be a participant. So at this point, you're a mobile ... You can almost do everything you can mobile-y with the WebEx.

29:57 Jason Atwood: So WebEx2 for the iPad, that's my cloud-focused app. Pick of the week and go to blog.arkasync.com. Subscribe to that by RSS. Follow Justin at justedelstein on Twitter, and I'm at Jason at Mattwood. We're on Facebook, facebook.com, arkasync. And as always, go to iTunes, subscribe to this podcast there, and you'll get it whenever we put it out. So this week we're actually doing it on a Friday, which is a little late, but we will be consistently putting it out. So subscribe there. And until next week, enjoy the very sunny day that we're having here in New York, almost 70 degrees, very, very happy. Bye.