Over & Out - Episode #96 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 96th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the 4th, but not last, of June 2012. This episode is titled Over and Out. CloudFocus Weekly is sponsored by Arceus, your Cloud Community experts. I'm your host, Jason Atwood. And joining me for the 96th time in a row, consistent as the man is, is Justin. Justin, how are you doing? If I'm nothing, I am consistent. You are nothing. If not consistent. Thank you. All right, we got a quick agenda today. It's a time crunch in our busy, busy lives. I almost didn't make it to the podcasting studio today. Let's just say on the first heat wave of the summer, then the thing not to do is lose your AC unit. Yeah, yeah, that's not the thing. No, not the thing to do. No,

Justin Edelstein: And don't have the thermostat pegged to warm. In the office next door to you. No. Don't do that either.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, we're having heating issues. Very much so. Alright, so let's get into it. First up is blog.architect.com, which is a new blog post by the author or blogger who shall remain nameless. I know we've named him, but it's fun to keep saying that we haven't named him.

Justin Edelstein: I don't even think we've named him. Like named him. Like, listeners have come up to us at Dreamforce and said, oh, is this the nameless one? Yes. And then he's got his name tag on. And then they know him. And then they know he is. By the way, he wrote a blog post. And if you're smart, and you see, you know, I think we attribute our blog posts on Twitter. To the person who wrote it. Oh, that's true. And if you're reading the blog post it at the very bottom He links to his Twitter account.

Jason Atwood: So basically you should be able to figure this out But it's a mystery to everybody else. So you have to go to blog.arkusinc.com The non-adventurous ones. That's why you have to follow us at twitter.com slash arkasink. So there you go I just put those out Anyway, it's called three iPad apps that make life easier I'm not even gonna mention them, you know why?

Justin Edelstein: They're not worth mentioning, have we mentioned them all? I think we've mentioned all of these. They've all been picks of ours. They've all been picks. He's basically doing the three... Repack picks.

Jason Atwood: Speaking of which, so we're not gonna mention that, we'll move on. Speaking of which, we still have to do, we have to figure out a way to do our Sweet 16. Our picks we think yeah, so I started a Google Doc for us. Oh, you did a little podcasting Thing on so I started a Google Doc for us like to figure out well, don't try to go look for it now Anyway, it's all it's gonna start to put in all of our picks and then we'll from there We'll have a sweet. Well, we'll figure out the sweet 16 will vote on them I was thinking maybe there's some way we can involve our listeners in that process.

Justin Edelstein: Okay. I don't know how. We have to go through and because we have 90 now 90 after this six times two. I mean that's almost 200. Plus extras because I've got doubles. So it's over 200.

Jason Atwood: I think we should bring it down to like 16 or 20 or something. Sweet 16. then maybe just do some sort of way of having people vote on it. Anyway, so let's move on.

Justin Edelstein: So that'll be interesting. Go look at the three that we've picked before. That we've picked before, but he gives a little color too. And links to go download them. There you go. There you go. Go download them now. All right.

03:13 Jason Atwood: So if you're in the buying mood, you should keep buying things. Salesforce cannot be stopped at this point. They have bought. yet another, I think they're actually doing this just because someone put out an infogram about all the places that them and Arkel bought, like on one side of what sales was bought. I saw this infographic.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, infographics. They were being outspent. Yeah, which I thought was funny.

Jason Atwood: And, but I think they bought this just for that. crudely what's happening in mergers is they have lots in the pipeline and some are just hitting at different times. Anyway, they just bought this week. corporate perk software choice pass yes so to me this is well explain do you know do you know what choice passes did you read up on it I bet I I get the idea behind

Justin Edelstein: It I looked at something not choice pass but something like choice pass that integrated with Salesforce in the past in the past life where we were trying to incentivize people to utilize Salesforce and get their sales data into Salesforce. So we would incentivize them using these like built in tools that you would accumulate point on criteria and then once you it was kind of like thank you points or rewards points And once you build them up, you can then spend them on things. the company itself that I worked at you'd have to sort of buy all those points and then the the you know you're like allocating these things I mean it's not like dollar for dollar but it was like that where you know you close a certain number of opportunities you get a bunch of points you have certain amounts you get a bunch of points and then you can

Jason Atwood: It was all within Salesforce and all done, like that's how a ripple effect. It is. Because this is, so the ability to have a lot of goals, this is sort of the other side of that is the here's your goals and here's some perks for getting there. Cloud has quote perks. That is not, by the way, in infertility studio, people are dying outside of the heat. Well, apparently they're cheering for us. So Ripple is more like thinking and goals. is more to sales oriented perks like yeah again getting certain levels. I've seen other ways of doing this. I mean There's a company that makes the product hoopla, which is the sort of Sort of gamification, but it's more of a video gamification. So it turns your Salesforce data into a SportsCenter Go ahead and like leaderboards and stuff This is I'm you know if you want a buzzword for the second half of 2012 I say game vacation I say put that on the buzzword on the buzzword board because it Yeah, it it it's something So I see that ripple released.

06:48 Justin Edelstein: I think it was a week or two ago Looks like a few weeks ago.

Jason Atwood: The Salesforce Ripple app. Oh no! It finally works.

Justin Edelstein: So they have a plan called the phenomenal my guess is that I kind of feel like I'm going

Jason Atwood: To wait until Ripple is just inside Salesforce a I feeligroup H This external one, I mean I want to try it. I want to try the one that's I and the and So Long-term right. They're not they're not they're not like ripple. It's not ripple.

Justin Edelstein: It's not do right It's it's we're gonna take these people and do something different sounds like a foreshadowing to me

Jason Atwood: Alright, well interesting news and Next on, so the agenda is Not so good silence no good. we've had some cloud outages last week or this outages cloudages and doesn't sound that. Amazon went down last week Down, down, down, down, no access, nothing, site not showing up. So I'm going to tell the funny story and then we get to the story. I there a fail whale involved? No, that was it. Twitter. That was always funny about back in the day with Salesforce that Trust would go down with the rest of them. So I went there and, lo and behold, they were a little slow on getting their status update. And there's only three and I was like this it basically looks like a little Twitter page. You just got three little updates. updates. We're experiencing problems three minutes ago, great.

10:17 Jason Atwood: I was like, oh that's funny. And then under each little update is a button that says, tweet it, sure. And I was like, really? So on your Twitter is down,

Justin Edelstein: You have a tweet button. It's probably more than the Twitter's backup alert.

Jason Atwood: But there is the Twitter's back. Tweet it. But Twitter's down. Tweet that. So I think the interesting take on this is not really that cloud services go down. Cloud services go down. And they take down a lot of sites. They take down sites. They take down, I mean, though Amazon took down Korra took down Foursquare, took down

Justin Edelstein: Interest Pinterest Heroku Pinterest really really say Pinterest I that's how I say it well how do you say it Pinterest I say Pinterest because it's like a zigzag you say interest Pinterest I just put it in front of it interest you say interest Pinterest but when you say the word interest you say interest nipple no no ripple Oh, okay, when you say the word interest you say interest I'm interest I'm interested You're interested, but I'm Peter. I'm Pinterest Interested I don't know Wow this podcast just got awesome Well for those six people still with us they went down to you they would

Jason Atwood: What I thought was interesting, some of the notes this morning on the Twitter hours yesterday was coming on heels of sort of Apple's big announcements last week, that Twitter is built into the entire operating system. Built into iOS completely now, built into the mountain lines coming out in July. And I thought to myself, and actually the point of self... The point of the article, the thing was, interesting that this is now, these cloud services are now part of people's operating systems and they go down. So it's unlike, it's kind of like if you booted up, up your word, but your word went down, right? Because it's connected to a cloud service. Not even your word. It's everyone's word. Yeah. systems now that when they go down it actually can affect you. You're not disconnected from.

Jason Atwood: You're not going to Facebook and like, oh, Facebook's down, I'll just go off and do other things. Although I was trying to tweet about DF12 and I was a little upset that I couldn't because it was down. But just on an interesting take like that the cloud is now integrated so well or being more and more integrated into the operating system that when it goes down it can take take you down with it kind of. It's in the computer. It is in the computer. Yeah, so anyway, the article goes on, talk about, it's on, well you have the one from thewyrr.com. I do, don't I? Interesting enough, and I think this is where we're in the podcast, who else went down with Amazon? Who do we know? What famous name? I said Heroku. Heroku, well that's kind of...

Jason Atwood: That's interesting. It's like oh, so you're on someone else's cloud. I'm sure there's lots of other ones like

Justin Edelstein: Enterprise class cloud computing Services and products that are sitting on Amazon that went down to think so Can't imagine they didn't yeah, so anyway outages all around, you know, it happens.

13:31 Jason Atwood: The guy posted on... the interesting in glared on this one was it was called a cascading bug. So for those of you not in the software development, a cascading bug is something that exists, but then you know it's sort of not triggered, but when it gets triggered for some reason, it then has a cascading effect and starts to take down other things. So sometimes a bug just... it's like you go to hit a button and it gives you an error. That's a bug. Sometimes you go to... you have a bug that's in your software but doesn't really you know sort of and it gets hit. It gets hit and fine it makes that error. That's sort of the white decay issue. We didn't know about it. It's already come around that issue. Cascading bugs are it's a bug it's in your system it's not really working yet it's not really doing anything but when it gets triggered it then has it will then start to take out other services so it didn't it just doesn't stop some feature and this one CloudFocus at picks of the week I I said to you before and I'll say to you again now I have so many I think our pick show needs to be our hundredth episode Well, you're gonna have to give me a few no, I'm saying our hundredth episode has to be

Justin Edelstein: But like you're just gonna rattle off picks and I'm just gonna comment on them. No You're gonna have picks as well. You need to have five or ten picks. No, you have so many. You have like 20.

Jason Atwood: Just act up. I'm telling you, you need to have five or ten picks for the hundredth episode. That's in five weeks, six weeks, four weeks. Not doing that. Yes you are! The 100 episode, we're gonna do a pic that made that happen. Alright, well use one of your great pics.

Justin Edelstein: Well, I'm picking one that's super obvious, but I've never really used it before and now that I'm really using I'm really enjoying it Which is doo.com. I feel like you picked this. I have not I've talked about it I played with it, but never really got a good Reason reason really to use it. So what is doo.com forgot? So it's a very I feel it's very lightweight task manager slash project manager that you can collaborate on different tasks with different people, add notes, add attachments, email in, etc. Assign them to people, it goes to their email, it's got a nice couple little features, it's got a good mobile app. It's like HighRise.

Jason Atwood: What is that? 37 signals, HighRise. Okay, never used it. You use it all the time. I use Basecamp all the time. Basecamp, sorry, HighRise is the other one. I think Basecamp's...

Justin Edelstein: Bigger much bigger more features a lot more features But do is really simple Okay, dumb simple free sign up in like three seconds You're in log in with social profiles you can log in with your Google of count But I just created a new one because I had already had one with the Arkus Google account So I just created a new one with my other Google account and then you can just get started immediately. Start creating tasks, start creating projects. Essentially I created a project because I'm into a new apartment and there are lots of tasks and I'm doing them with me. So I couldn't just put them in my own little task manager. They had to be places where we can collaborate on them together. So. I was like, let's just, you do, we were talking about it as like, you're responsible for this.

17:26 Justin Edelstein: Google Sheets templates. Yep, they just were like, yeah, I mean, it's like I just did a sheet that put people's names. I could have that. But I was like, you know what? Let's just use that's cool. I logged in. Boom. Account created, project created folders for tasks created. I can't remember what they actually call them, like sections. And then you can drag and drop the tasks around a really slick interface. I find them. You see picture people's pictures. nice and easy, you can take notes on each individual task, like it, and forth comments, like it, attachments if you need them, we don't really need them, but we might because it's like you know pick pink color, you can attach the three or four colors or screenshots, pick a wall unit, you can take the pictures from the website and throw them in there, so we were like working out how we were going to do it and it only took like a half hour to sort of just figure it all out.

Justin Edelstein: Got it on my iPhone,

Jason Atwood: Got it on the web, works brilliant. I want to hear back after it, like in a couple weeks, when you've actually moved in, well, actually in a month or two, whenever you move in, and the other person moves in too, so I think we got a month and a half left. Probably got about a month. I know way too much about you, but anywho. Okay, so doo.com, cool.

Justin Edelstein: I had a use case for it, so now I'm using it.

Jason Atwood: Alright, I have a pick. I'm sure you do. I I'm going hardware this time.

Justin Edelstein: I have so many picks Oh, this is that thing you were telling me about did you buy it?

Jason Atwood: Do you why do you do this on the podcast? Did you buy it to wait till I to give you the pic before you did the bring in the light in I didn't say the Name well, I bought it.

Justin Edelstein: I'm turning around to grab it. All right, go get it I had to fill time while you're going to get this thing. Oh my gosh It's bigger than I thought it was gonna be. So,

Jason Atwood: Here's the story. The story is, quickly, boy, as things make noise, I got a new bag for my birthday, which was a week ago. And my old bag had a lot of inside pockets. My new bag has outside pockets, no inside pockets, and I'm kind of like, oh, what am I gonna do with all my crud? Like... things that you little hook up things and things. So I've been actually wanting to buy one of these for the longest time This gave me the excuse. It's something called grid it grid it I think it's by a company called cocoon And it basically is a I'm holding it up for everybody to see can you see it? Can you see it at home? Yes, there are many different sizes, but basically it's a piece of fabric with some cardboard in it that then has a lot of rubber bands sort of running across it and they're very sticky rubber bands and they're crisscrossing in many different patterns kind of like a mitt for holding a oven mitt.

Jason Atwood: So there's like these criss-crossing patterns and then what you do is you can put in your You basically can stuff tons of stuff into it so like you can hold a bunch of stuff. And it has a pocket on the back that you can put in more stuff if you even can't like papers or whatever. So here's the way I love the reason I'm really excited about this. One, it's very self-contained and it kind of holds everything together. So when you pull it out or whatever it's got everything on it. Two, it's very heavy because it's got a lot of stuff on it. Oh wow, yeah. Well it's got heavy things on it. It does. But two, here's my theory. When you travel, or when you go to a client site, or when you go somewhere, you need to have a different set of things with you than when you just go every day, right?

20:45 Jason Atwood: You basically need more stuff. You want more connectors, more power cords, more whatever. So I thought, what if I got a couple of these, and this is my first one, and I basically made one, like the one that I can travel with. and one, the one that I I kind of work day to day with and then I can glared easily swap them out. So like I'm going traveling, oh I put in my travel one that has all the stuff I need to travel with. I'm going to the office, maybe I don't even put it in because I don't even, I don't need any of that stuff. I've got bricks and stuff at home. Anyway, it's a neatly neat little product. I just got it two days ago. How much was this? I think they're all different sizes.

Jason Atwood: That's the 10 by 12 or 9 by 12 size. That was like $14.95, something like that. I really like it. The one complaint I'll say that I'm a little bit is that if you take out all that crap, which please don't. You can't get it back in the same way, can you? No. No, no, that's not it. The problem is that the actual thing by itself has a little weight to it that I wish... When everything's about lightness in your bag, I wish the thing itself, like whatever cardboard's in the middle, or it should just be a little bit, or maybe it's all the rubber.

Justin Edelstein: I think it's all the rubber, and there's like a plastic, like a hard plastic thing in there,

Jason Atwood: But it's pretty neat. Yeah, and you can get them different sizes. You can get like half sizes, bigger sizes. Anyway, I could use something like this. Yeah, it's called Gridded, and go buy it. It's awesome. Grid it and bury it. Buy a company called Cocoon. Check the show notes. Speaking of which, go to blog.arcasinc.com for all the CloudFocus show notes as we gear up towards our 100th episode. I want four more, so you only have four weeks to get ready. Remember to follow us on Twitter if it's still up at Arca Sync or at Jason M. Atwood or just at Elsting. We're in the Dreamforce portal. If you're going to Dreamforce, DF12, we're in the portal. go in there we have worth doing or have we decided about doing the group doing a CloudFocus Weekly podcast group so we're i want to do that or wanting to do that.

Jason Atwood: We're on Facebook, we're on Google Plus, and always subscribe on iTunes or any of your podcast subscription services. And until next week. from the podcasting studio Jake and Justin on CloudFocus Weekly, just changing up for the reason. No reason at all. Enjoy those cloudy days.