Work Buddies - Episode #102 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 102nd episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the third week of August 2012. This episode is titled WorkBuddies. CloudFocus Weekly is sponsored by Arkus, Cloud Community Experts. I'm your host, Jason Atwood, and joining me for the 102nd time. I hesitate to use the word work buddy from our previous conversation, but this guy over here Justin hey Justin, how you doing? Work frenemies At this point I think so Work frenemies, hello What I think people don't get about our podcast is that sometimes the preamble to the podcast is probably the best part It's the best part.

Justin Edelstein: I keep telling you we should record them and keep them We do record them, but then I delete them Yeah, but we should keep them and publish them as an explicit podcast.

Jason Atwood: I have an agenda today. We have a... Oh, you have an agenda. Yeah, I do. The blog post is for the week. We're going to talk about that. It's the top 10 reasons to go to Dreamforce. 12, which is our own version of that. I think a lot of people post this. But we have our own version of it. I think tons of people do this. We have some giving back at Dreamforce we're going to talk about, a late minute podcasting. And then we have some buddy media news. It's a very big Salesforce centric podcast. So if you're into Salesforce, hang in there. If you're not, skip to the end when we talk about the apps. because my app has nothing to do with Salesforce. And then they, Salesforce launches communities, we can talk about that.

Jason Atwood: And then the leak of a little bit of a leak of what's gonna be launched at Dreamforce with work.com. So we'll talk about what that means and what possibly could happen. What we think it might mean. What we think it might mean. I would also like to point out that for the listeners, especially for the listeners. that we are experimenting in the world of audio. And that we have, in the last two or three episodes, we tried two different mics that are literally two different mics. They were different mics and we tried to do this double audio thing. And in the last podcast, it sounded horrible. So I apologize. Well, I didn't sound horrible. Well, I'm saying it. The podcast sounded horrible. I sounded great. You are less than 50% of the podcast, but yes, you sounded pretty good.

Jason Atwood: So what we have done, just for you listeners out there, I'd love to have feedback on this because I think I went out and I purchased a replica. The exact same version of the mic that you were having that we've been podcasting with for years. We are now we're now Podcasting using identical microphones identical microphones.

Justin Edelstein: Yes using this snazzy little cover Also to prevent popping and popping and popping.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, so I'd love that feedback Is this working? Is anybody out there? Well, when we listened to it, it sounded like it was working. Yeah, but you never know until you actually go ahead and, you know, download it. Right on. Right. Why don't we get into this top 10? Let's go. Top 10 reasons the blog post, the blog post of the week is top 10 reasons to go to. This is the third annual.

Justin Edelstein: Third annual version of this particular podcast that's been written by the same the podcast with a blog. Oh wow. You got me. Usually you do that. Yep. The third, third annual top 10 reasons to go to Dreamforce written by the partner who shall continue to remain nameless. Even though he's been introduced. No, you met him a couple of times.

03:30 Jason Atwood: Episode 100, by the way, episode 100. Through the roof. And did it really?

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I have to go check that out. All right, so he wrote his usual post about the top 10 reasons. Why don't we each pick one? Sure. That we're interested in looking forward to. Do you want to go first or do you want me to go first? You always go first. I always go first. So mine's gonna be his number two, which I'm surprised is his number two.

Jason Atwood: Surprised it's not his number one. Knowing it's a- well he explains why it's his number one. Not his number one, because he basically didn't want to be too much of a shill.

Justin Edelstein: But anyway, I'm really looking forward to Tony Robbins. Tony Robbins? Yeah, and I'm not the biggest Tony Robbins fan in the world at all. I'm actually very skeptical, which is why the I'm looking so much forward to it, because I really want to see it, I want to experience it and know what the thoughts is about.

Jason Atwood: So for everybody that's been looking under a complete rock, A. Tony Robbins is going to be speaking on a Friday session at Dreamforce, B. Tony Robbins is a... I guess just a massive motivational speaker who has been motivational speaking for many, many years now and helps celebrities and teams and people. Personal coach, right? Is sort of all, you confounding. I guess they now call it life coach, but before it was motivational speaker. I feel like life coach is something you do very one-on-one, motivational speaker is something you do like to millions. Well, he does both. Yes, he does both. Anywho... So one of our things is we've listened to a lot of I'm interested to see is the session, which I think it's a two or three hour session. Three hours. Three hour session.

Jason Atwood: Is it going to be like, is it gonna be him doing him like him, like me doing me, I'm Tony, I'm doing TR, T-Rob. Or is it gonna be like T-Rob with a cloud kick? No. You think it's gonna be full on T-Rob? Yeah. All right. That's what.

Justin Edelstein: I don't think any other speaker that I've ever seen at Dreamforce, like a special speaker, has ever really like cloud kicked it. They've always kind of been themselves. Malcolm Gladwell was himself. Yeah, Colin Powell's himself. I mean they all try to work it. Oh Clinton was himself. Yeah, you didn't really work anything in Well, they do. I'm actually a little disappointed with Bill Clinton.

Jason Atwood: He seemed a little frazzled because of the travel situation. Although we've now learned, since that he's always late. That's like his thing. He's always 45 minutes late. To everything he does. Like, to every, because he's the ex-president. Anyway,

Justin Edelstein: So T-RODS, number two.

Jason Atwood: Yours should be number four. I'm just going to throw out that number 10. If you start to read this blog at blog.arcasinc.com and you see number 10. just don't worry, keep going because number 10 My personal reason is a good one. It is the thing that I enjoy the most out of Dreamforce which is reunion. It is again I've been doing Salesforce work for a long long time. I've worked with Salesforce for a long long time in a lot of different capacities and it just it does it turns into this great big like hey how you doing and with clients with prospects with Salesforce people It's just it's it's it's a lot of fun. It's it's draining, but it's a lot plug, but anyway 334 stop by and we so Well, we'll talk about that next week, but we have some special things coming up just for CloudFocus Weekly at the booth Including some sort of contest including some fun things at the booth.

07:47 Jason Atwood: So anyway Next up another dream forced things actually came in through a private message in in the Dreamforce portal today, which is someone who's been around for a little while. Right, but someone wanted us to actually talk about it. And I think we should oblige. Yeah, sure. So go ahead, talk about it.

Justin Edelstein: Okay. So there's a Salesforce and Friends team for a race. to a bike race to support MS and there's a team of 145 people that have raised over $83,000 participating in the race the waves to wine bike ride right after Dreamforce and I was made aware of this a while back. I think Erica cool who runs the MVP community might be participating in it I think and she was you know raising some money I think I donated at the time perhaps the small amount and then just today Scott Hemeter I'm hoping I'm not just killing his last name sorry about that sorry Scott who we've met many times and I think is with arrow point I believe said hey here's this this topic thought you might Given a mention on the podcast, it's for a good cause.

Justin Edelstein: So a lot of people participate. It's a Salesforce team.

Jason Atwood: Where it, when and when? So give me the- It's after Dreamforce. After, when is that?

Justin Edelstein: I think it's the Sunday. Okay, so the Sunday after Dreamforce? It might be the Saturday, not exactly sure, but it's called Waves to Wine. It's a bike ride. It's right after Dreamforce. And it's a charitable- thing that's going on around the conference. And again, there's a team that has been put together, Salesforce and Friends, that includes 145 people that have raised over $83,000 so far for MS. I donated again today. I was like, oh, we're going to talk about this again. I may as well just go back. Anytime someone says, hey, here's a link, it's easy enough to go donate, right? Sounds like a very familiar. failure.

Jason Atwood: Theory on gift giving yeah, so anyway know about it go donate the oil is really long There's a there's a longer I'm not gonna give it, but

Justin Edelstein: There's a chatter group in the in the dairy course portal go find it There's a Facebook group too if you want to dig into it XO, you know look for the Waves to wine bike route big bike ride in San Francisco You can probably go back and find it, look for the Salesforce and Friends group or team to donate to that team. Start your own team, join the team if you want to ride in the race and raise some money for MS. That's great. Great. Well, speaking of... And we look forward to seeing Scott because I think our boots are going to be... somewhat close to each other on the floor. We're booth buddies. We're booth buddies. And we look forward to seeing him because I think he's one of the guys who came over last year and said hello.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, we love that. Yeah, we do.

Jason Atwood: Hopefully we'll be at the booth and we will try to publish that as part of our thing. We'll tell when we are going to be at the booth. We also have other commitments, as we've talked about. We're both speaking. More in that next week. More in that next week because we have right in the blog post and on the podcast we'll cover. that as well. Speaking of buddies, so this is kind of sort of old but new news, which is the buddy media purchase by Salesforce is now officially official. So it went through, it was approved, and it's now an official thing. It's kind of interesting in that just that, you know, obviously before Dreamforce, you're getting a little bit of what are they gonna talk about it? What's the keynotes gonna be about? I think this is, as I remember from years past, Heroku was purchased literally, they announced it the day of.

11:33 Justin Edelstein: So it was. Yeah, the press release that morning. And they then talked about it a lot.

Jason Atwood: You know, in fact, they got their own cloud, as I remember.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, and they got their own little section. Yeah, the section.

Jason Atwood: So my guess is that this is gonna be a big thing. Question for you, do you think this and. Thanks for watching! This is something that happens with Radiancex, and we think that Buddy Media and Radia 6, do you think they're sort of, are they building into one thing? Or is this like, so okay, do you think Radiancex becomes, has the features of Buddy Media? Do you think that Buddy Media and Radia 6 exist solely separate like they do today? Like Radiancex, as we know, because we're, we've... talked about on podcast and we're actually making headway into actually we are so thank you for that but it's very separate it's very it feels acts is very separate from Salesforce yes they work for Salesforce and yes the logo has sales have you logged into the radian 6 instance that yes I provided to us have you played

Justin Edelstein: Around yes I created some stuff yes I've done the same it It's a totally different world. It's totally different world. It's a different animal. Let's just say I'm doing training next week. Yeah, me too. And I actually, it's kind of funny that this is all happening at one time. One of our customers is looking to purchase Radian 6 as part of their implementation and wanted me to sit in on their sales call. Oh yeah. So it was fun to actually sit in on a Radian 6 sales call. Got to see some of the things that That they talk about. That they talk about and like what a really nice high-end demo polished looking Radiance 6 implementation could look like because they obviously do a lot of discovery beforehand to ask you like what topics, what's your brand, who are your competitors, blah blah blah blah blah.

Jason Atwood: My initial take after doing you know a good 30 minutes of playing around with it and again maybe it was my first 30 minutes into Salesforce felt this way but there's a lot in there. It's not exactly like easy peasy, just set it up.

Justin Edelstein: It's got some complexity to it. It's not plugged in place, so to speak.

Jason Atwood: It's not start your 30 day trial and then sign up. You need to know what this thing does. You need to have, and I think even more than that, and we're kind of rattling on to Radio 6, but... you need to understand what you're trying to accomplish with Radian Sex. As opposed to Salesforce, in a lot of sense it's like, I mean, I guess people say, hey, I wanna track my customers. Okay, that's what I'm trying to accomplish. This is, you gotta be much more specific because you can't just go Radian Sex, I wanna join the social. It's like, no. Did you find that anything that you put together was of any value? I got some things to work, but again, I think my problem was I wasn't really, I didn't have a goal.

Justin Edelstein: Well, that was what I was saying. Did you get anything that, like I got some things to work too. Yeah. Like I got my river of news to work and it was pulling in things. It was just not pulling in things of any value. Like where I was trying to get to a specific point. Like I could not, and I think that this is like sort of the secret sauce and the art of this. The art of radiant sex? Yeah, is that it's not a science like, like. configure workflow trigger whatever it's query and or right this or that include this exclude that like I couldn't get it to give me what I really wanted although I then like went out to Twitter and started tweeting things with some of the words that I wanted to see show up and they were showing up in my river of news which was good i knew was working and then i did some graphs and some sentiment stuff but to get back to your original question of buddy and gradient six i don't really know enough about buddy media and what it does I feel like Buddy Media is way bigger than Radian 6 and at some point Radian 6 will be part of the Buddy Arsenal.

15:39 Justin Edelstein: Really? Yeah, and at some point the whole thing will be just part of the Salesforce Arsenal.

Jason Atwood: I don't think they're going to do that. I really, maybe after years and years we'll look back, but I have a feeling that this is part of their new strategy of really leaving these things as very separate. I'm not sure it works. I mean, I've been on the sales call with Salesforce and data.com people, and I can tell you most of my clients get kind of confused by it. They're like, well, wait, what is data.com Salesforce or salesforcedata.com? And then you got two different people with two different email addresses and two different presentations and here's what we do and here's what they do. And I'm like, well, it's really, I mean, for the client, it's a tab, right? It's a tab. It has licenses, but it's a tab. It's kind of like saying, you know, if you had a separate company selling mobile, full mobile, it's like, because it's a different license that you can add on.

Jason Atwood: I'm not sure that that, I'm not sure that model works. Again, my clients have been confused about it, and they're the smartest, best clients on the planet. So then how else, you know, whatever. But I feel like I think they're going to keep them separate. I wish they would build them a little bit more. I think they're just so separate companies. You know hard to combine them. I actually think buddy media and radiansics are gonna be I think they're gonna combine.

Justin Edelstein: I think it's another way I think buddy media. that marketing and campaigning and reading six is a tool to use with that that doesn't go on top of the like Mmm, management.

Jason Atwood: You Maybe four years down the you know, how much time and attention does everybody have to sort of pull the pieces together? I mean, yeah, they can rebrand the site pretty quickly R the It Thank you. and Say you're sitting at your desk and you want some help with blah. Go to blahblahblah.com. Funny music in the background, you in the thing. So I watched the video, I tried to figure it out. A lot of these things it's like engage with your customer and so it looks to me like chatter in portal That's what it looks like If I'm gonna make it easy for you to understand,

19:54 Justin Edelstein: It's Portal with Chatter. So how the different than Chatter answers which has been around for two releases that did work within a Portal?

Jason Atwood: Cause I think this is full blown Chatter in a Portal. With probably some sort of different licensing, licensing but. They showed some examples. It looks, it looks good. You set up a community. You set up a portal for people to log into. They get a profile. They can then chat and stuff. You can then integrate in things that you're doing in sales force with them. They showed the, the case of opening a ticket after having, but the ticket was then in the chatter feed. So it looks to me somewhere between customer groups, which, you know, I'm not a huge fan of. And it looks to me like the customer groups and portal with chatter on top of it. I see. You know what I'm saying? So I looked at that and at the end there's the frequently asked questions.

Jason Atwood: Questions. And the question to talk about. I can't find this website. I'm looking for it. It's I think it isn't where do I find it? You probably just type it in somewhere in the Google.

Justin Edelstein: No, I did that and I couldn't I can't actually find it Let me see Thank you Thanks We a little

Jason Atwood: Basically someone came into the studio, was giving a new key to the studio. What was he even doing? He was he was giving me a brand new key. A key to the studio? But he was testing it, and then he just handed it to me.

Justin Edelstein: That was just terrible. I'm trying to find the email that you sent me this morning. Here it is. Salesforce.com slash chatter slash community slash FAQ.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, and if you look in there. I imagine if I get rid of the slash FAQ and just look at communities. Well, but if you look, here we go. Hold on. If you look in the chat, in the communities, Fack, it talks about portal users and talks about portals. Right. Will this work within portals? What if I'm an existing portals customer? Yes.

Justin Edelstein: Once Salesforce community is generally available. existing portal customers can enable the community functionality to their service. and partner portal licenses at no additional cost. There's no data migration or changes in sharing rules. So here, which sounds like you're gonna have portal with chatter in it. Yeah, I know what they're doing, the renaming chatter.

Jason Atwood: You think? Yep, that's exactly what that is. It's saying it's just gonna be called communities. Maybe in the portal world. It's called communities, but think about it It doesn't and this is what my mind when I I was like, why would they just not call it chatter with letter a there's probably some licensing around it B Oh, it's the top boss. It's coming in 2013. So don't get too excited about it Second half like this is this is the thing you're gonna see on stage this dream for a launch next dream.

23:05 Justin Edelstein: Yeah, this is that thing. I guess that thing that always happens. But then why they announce it so early? Because it's going to be in pilot at Dreamforce. There will be a pilot. Yes. No, someone will already be using it like Burberry or somebody. Like we always see, right? Someone will flip it. Maybe they'll be flipping it on the stage. Someone will be on the stage showing off their Salesforce community.

Jason Atwood: Oh yeah, GE has it.. InPilot. There's already an example. Done.

Justin Edelstein: There it is. InPilot. But you can't touch it for another year. Right. Kind of like, you know, the site, site.com. They had live sites out there showing it. But you never got to touch it for another year.

Jason Atwood: So... So... I mean, two things about it. Portal makes it exciting. Portal makes it exciting, and I think the sort of renaming it, because I actually, no, this person remained totally named. I was on the Salesforce AE the other day, and they kind of made the comment about chatter saying, you know, talking to someone saying, it's kind of a silly name. I thought, ooh, don't let anybody hear you say that, but... It is kind of a silly name. I mean, I don't, you know, I don't have any stock in CRM. It's kind of a silly name. Chatter is a silly name. It doesn't, you know, there I said it. Come get me.

Justin Edelstein: They're after, they're listening. They're engaged. But communities,

Jason Atwood: Eh, okay, you know, I kind of get that. And you can see, so I ask you, do you think they would rebrand Chatter as communities?

Justin Edelstein: No, I think there's enough equity built up in Chatter at this point that renaming it... just like Salesforce.com is still

Jason Atwood: Salesforce.com yeah but that's the name of the company that's different than a product you can they've renamed products 17 times from I don't know I I don't

Justin Edelstein: I don't think they'll rebrand chatter I think they've they've built up quite a bit of equity in chatter I think you'll see them go chatter communities

Jason Atwood: Chatter communities well they've had like you know chatter answers Yeah, but it's still chatter answers.

Justin Edelstein: I think that's going away. I think they're gonna they're gonna kill off all but anyway I'm here and it a Looks interesting. I mean it looks like it pulls together a lot of their platform in one In one swoop like site.com portals Chatter obviously.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, he's totally customized branding looks like it's totally custom my branding and the version I even saw that was the the GE version in the demo. Yeah it they took over some of the Some of the things so I can set up fought like in chatter you follow people It was instead of fall and unfall they had all the buttons were connect and unconnect or disconnect now I was like, okay. I wonder if that's a setting or is that something they just They just blew it out in visual force. Anyway, I think it's one of those things that we've had people ask us about and we've done projects which are kind of around it. Something that portal users, you know, and when we talk to clients about using either customer or partner portal, it's one of those, you know, oh, I like chatter.

26:07 Jason Atwood: Can I? And we're like, no, sorry, no chatter. for you so definitely something to watch very cool I'm gonna watch these videos well

Justin Edelstein: Try not to watch them now well yeah I'll watch them later okay I you know you shot me right to that fake you because I was going to one of our clients today who is using a partner portal we would have loved to be able to use Chatter because they wanted their partner portal users to be able to communicate back and forth. And we're using like tasks to communicate back and forth as opposed to Chatter, which would have been really, really nice. And of course we could have built something, but they didn't. They wanted to stick to configuration only. I mentioned it to them, but I said it's probably years away. Then they're like, well, okay, whatever. It's good to know. It's coming.

Jason Atwood: It's stuff like, listen, I've had clients ask about doing joint reports in analytics and it was years away and now you're using it. It happens... Last thing is sort of a real a real week, which is Salesforce Article came out. I think Zach actually tweeted this salesforce to do work.com so it looks like Like do calm like desk calm like what's the other one? Another have to there's desk. There's data. Yep database database force Yeah That's it Cuz I know they have chatter. So now they're talking about work.com which the rumor is again There's nothing confirmed by Salesforce, but this will be a combination of some of their purchases recently

Justin Edelstein: Like well like it's gonna be a rebrand to ripple just pure ripple rebrand That's what my guess is cuz that's what that's I mean that's what they really bought Ripple for was and they already like used the word work with Ripple like get work done with Ripple like that that's like how they talk about it I think I have the their social enterprise solutions here and I'm trying to find where that would actually you know fall into place.

Jason Atwood: Well, I mean they also purchased Choice Pass, which could be something that, you know, they can build in there. I mean they built about four or five of these companies, these small sort of, you know, HR, human capital resources. Yeah,

Justin Edelstein: Ripple's tagline is work better together. Yeah. Just a work.com. Yeah, I just feel like that's where that's going

Jason Atwood: All right, so I mean that's something to look forward and dream for Scott We have not only do we have the top 10 reasons We want like some 20 rumors at some point

Justin Edelstein: Somebody's writing and I'm gonna look in our little blog calendar as a tease At some point somebody's writing a little, a little prediction blog. It feels like this is gonna, this is gonna make its way in there now.

29:10 Jason Atwood: Yeah, sure, I think somebody is doing that. All right, well let's get to our CloudFocus app picks of the week.

Justin Edelstein: You got one this week? Did you find one before the podcast started? I feel like you were just writing something to me, but I did find one. And unfortunately, I found it like, I don't know, not too far before the podcast was starting, but it's called Followers. and it was tweeted at me by Zach who I love when Zach tweets me cloud focus at

Jason Atwood: Pics of the week I'm just gonna let him pick my cloud focus at pics of the week for now on. Well next week I know what you're gonna be picking. Why is that? Branch.

Justin Edelstein: Because he tweeted that today. All right well he mentioned me because I guess I was in one of his little lists here that followers Followers it's it's like a very web 2.0 name. It's yes. Oh, oh W RZ Yes, that's very very 2007 yeah and essentially what this allows you to do is report on your Twitter followers, so For now they have a beta free version that allows you to download up to a thousand followers and rank them by a couple different facets. So you can rank them by their cred score. You can sort them based on their interests. Not really sure how they pull the interests out because I'm waiting for my report, which I haven't gotten yet Yeah, I'm waiting for my why would what is this? Why would I use this just to analyze who's actually following you?

Justin Edelstein: See who's a bot see who actually is like actually has any They use cred, but I would say cloud right if people if you actually have a real reach Right with your with your Twitter account, right? I mean you know to know if you're tweeting into the ether and nobody cares or if you're actually tweeting to people who could potentially you know retweet and be influential for you know as far as

Jason Atwood: Furthering some of the things that you're saying. I guess it would be interesting to know you know some numbers on like how many followers do my followers have kind of thing so like if you had Justin Bieber following you versus if you have you get a 500 followers but if 500 followers of and they all had three followers each that's a small reach. If you have 500 followers and and you know Oprah Katy Perry and Justin Bieber are your top three followers, then your reach is bigger because your reach is sort of like what you could then be, you know, retweeted by, I guess. Although your, and Twitter is public, so it's not like that's the only way it can get out. I guess it'd be interesting to have some stats. Not totally, but cool.

Jason Atwood: Great pick!

Justin Edelstein: Look! Greatest pick ever? Greatest pick ever? No. Look, I do what I do, right? I get it done. And you do it well. I do what I do and I do it well. All right? I'm sure next week, so it's gonna be really good. I want my report and I haven't gotten it yet. All right.

32:22 Jason Atwood: So it's a great... so it's another... it's yet another justin at pick of the week of something I've never used. Correct. Well I have used it. No, no, no, you haven't actually gotten the report that shows that you've used it once. Anyway, let's go on and move to an actual pick that I've been using for about four weeks or so. You've been using this thing? Yeah, I use it every day now. Really? Yeah. This thing? Yeah. So my pick is I've done a I did the other pick I think I did the Jambox Oh this you showed me this yes, okay? I thought it was I thought this was something else no so I had the Jambox is my pick of the week Which is made by Jawbone?

Justin Edelstein: It's a small Bluetooth Rechargeable speaker Quick aside on it before you get to yours. Yes. I went to Montreal this past weekend for a bachelor party of fun. And this is a clean podcast. I went for the poutine.

Jason Atwood: And we just won the transit. Oh, gravy fries.

Justin Edelstein: Oh, OK. And. and someone said can someone bring like a speaker something for music so that when we're like before we go out and we like pregame in the full room get it in Putin on what routine routine on okay I had really good poutine hamburger and whatever So I said oh, I have the I have this awesome thing. I'll bring it. No worries. Yeah, so I brought the Jambox and They're like, oh, where's the like who's brought the like music? I'm like, oh, here's the Jambox and people were like laughing at it Like yeah, you know small. It is like I'm like Give me a second. Yeah, and I'm like You know, I turn on my Pandora. I Bluetooth it to the thing and it's rocking and they're like, oh my lord That is the three people were like I'm buying that.

Justin Edelstein: Yep, until I found the price No, no, even then we're like no cuz cuz I told him like now he's this great speaker and it works But it's also now a phone. It's a speaker phone. It's really really great. I think I sold a few jam boxes this year. Nice.

Jason Atwood: So I have a jam box and I like it and I actually brought it. So I've noticed. I leave it here now at work. It's a little bit too big to bring back and forth every day. It's like it's not. kind of travel doesn't travel that well. No. So I basically been looking for another one and I thought, oh, I'll just buy another jam box. And I said, well, let me look around. And this one actually hit uncrate. By the way, I could make that. I should make that one. I'm uncrate anything. I spent so much money. Forget it. Just based on the things that are going uncrate thump.

Justin Edelstein: Whenever I need to buy a gift for a guy. I go on Uncreate and just look at the last couple months and guarantee you find at least four things. Yeah, and then I buy three of them.

Jason Atwood: So this is sort of a competitor, but the reason I bought it is sort of not directly because it's a little different. It's called the Phillips Shock Box. So it's made by Phillips. It is, it's $170. I think it's even more than the Jambox, which can be imagined. I think it's right in that same thing. So it's a wireless Bluetooth speaker. What's different about this one, if you've seen all these things, and actually this one's in the Apple Store, which is interesting. If you go in the Apple Store, they have a version of it sitting right out there in the accessories. So it's kind of, I don't know if that, they have the Jambox and this, the only two wireless Bluetooth speakers they have. It's kind of rugged. It has like rubber around it and it's kind of cylindrical.

35:53 Jason Atwood: So there's a couple of neat things about it. One, it works and sounds great. That's neat. It's rubberized so they say it's splash proof. So a lot of the stuff is about it being like, they show it, there's a hook on it so you can hook it to yourself.

Justin Edelstein: So they have people hiking and having it hooked to themselves. Well you take this to the beach, don't you? I've taken this to the beach. And you hook it to the beach chair or the umbrella or something?

Jason Atwood: Yeah, so yes, you couldn't throw it in the tub, but it could take some water flying on it or some sand or whatever. That's nice about it. And then the other thing that it does really well is you can stand it up, it can sit down, like sort of, you know, on its side. It can also stand up on the edge. And what's then cool is you can have two of them, and they will become stereo speakers. Yeah, that was the really cool part that you were telling me about. You can put two of them and then they become stereo speakers. So with sort of great sound, all Bluetooth, it also can recharge your iPhone. So it actually has enough battery that it can recharge out, which is cool. Anyway, I mean, it does almost everything.

Jason Atwood: The Jambox is much more, is much, much better in terms of all the stuff it can do.

Justin Edelstein: It has computers and stuff that you can connect it up and... You know, it does all this stuff and when we first got them, I started playing around with the Jambox and I'm like, oh, I'm going to do all this stuff with it. No, I just use it for two things. Listening to music as a speaker and using it as... as a conference line or a speakerphone for my iPhone. Because the speakerphone on the iPhone, as everyone knows, is really just no good.

Jason Atwood: This can really, the GM box, I think, does that better. I think this can do that. I'll tell you what's really great about it is these speakers, if you're gonna get a Bluetooth speaker, is like when you're traveling or when you're with. you know, you want sound, or when you're watching, like, if you really like to watch stuff in bed with on the iPad, the speaker on the iPad is not good, it's directionally to the side. So, I tell you, I put this thing, I put it right in the bottom of this thing, I set up the little iPad, we were traveling recently, and I think we were watching Deadwood on HBO Go wirelessly in the hotel room. And it was great, it just sounds great. Oh, and the other thing I love about it is that instead of having a touch up and down for sound, you know, the Jambox has buttons.

Jason Atwood: Jambox has that. You go boop, boop, boop, it goes up, down. This one just has a nice knob on the side, a nice feeling knob that you can turn. Whoa, how much is this setting me back? Did you say yeah? This is $170. That's pretty costly. It's pretty costly. And again, it's if you already have a jam box It's like why would I want one of these and we've already picked the jam box and we've already blessed the jam box as I'm The thing i'm blessing this one as your other thing and the one that you want to take if you like go camping So this is the thing where

Justin Edelstein: If you buy this one So you wouldn't buy two jam boxes, but you might buy two of these because then you can use it as a stereo As a stereo. Yeah, you might buy two of these

38:54 Jason Atwood: Yes, and they come in white and black. That's it. All right, so it's the Philip Shock Box S-H-O-Q-B-O-X. Again, we'll put it in the podcasting notes. We have a new Earl, by the way. We do. CloudFocus Weekly. You can go to cloudfocusweekly.com. Really? Yeah. It works. Cloudfocusweekly.com. You can get all... It goes right to the website with all the... I'm doing that right now.

Justin Edelstein: All the... Oh, look at that. Things listed right up. Ooh, nice new logo. go.

Jason Atwood: Yes, and our nice new logo which was probably a change in the next day or two. I still like it Remember to go to blog that our sink that very hairy in our logo. Yeah. Well, that was a hairy point of your life.

Justin Edelstein: I Kind of need a new picture now. I don't my hair is ever gonna be like that again the other day. It was just like that the other day. Yeah. The other day. Yeah. Oh, you're hair. My hair goes in cycles though. During summer I like to shave it my head and then in the winter I let it grow. So there you go.

Jason Atwood: As long as it can grow I'm gonna let it grow. As someone who's foul quick challenge I hear you and hate you. I'm gonna go to blog.org.com. You can comment on the blog post and all the podcasts are there. We're at ArcaSync, at Jason Atwood. And at Just Edelstein on the big Twitter there. We're also in the Dreamforce portal. There is a Dreamforce portal fan group, or I guess group, or portal group now for Cloudflows Weekly. We We'll post everything there. So if that's your social network of choice, go there. We're on Google+. And remember to subscribe to the podcast if you want to subscribe to it to know exactly when it comes down and get it onto your device of choice. Remember you can subscribe in iTunes or any of your, you know, your Instacast like iTunes apps.

Jason Atwood: So do that. And we'll be back next week with the 103rd episode. We have some other Dreamforce news which we will talk about. But until then... And as always, enjoy those cloudy days.

Justin Edelstein: You