IdeaExchange All Stars - Episode #123 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 123rd episode of the CloudFocus Weekly for the second to last day of January 2013. This episode is titled ID Exchange All-Stars. Confocutus Week is sponsored by Arkus, your cloud computing screen. expert, I'm your host, Jason Atwood, and joining me for the all-star-y-odying, idea-exchanging thing,

Justin Edelstein: It's Justin Edelstein. Justin, how you doing? I'm good, this is number one, two, three. It is one, two, three. Just realized that. This won't happen again. until episode number 1,234.

Jason Atwood: That'd be great. So just as a, we normally do more of a structured news and whatever, but we thought we'd break it up a little bit. It has nothing to do with there being no news out there. It's having to do with us just trying to try new formats and hear from our fans like what you'd like to hear. So this time we're doing, basically we're gonna do a podcasts about our favorite idea exchange ideas. And we're actually gonna pick ones that we have submitted. We're gonna talk about them and then we're gonna make a cloud focus at picks of the week. So why don't we get right in, why don't we get right into it and as a special episode and get right into it. Why don't you give me your. First, we're gonna pick three each.

Jason Atwood: Maybe we'll go to four if we find, we run out of time or, okay. All right.

Justin Edelstein: So these are ones that we've submitted ourselves. I'm giving ones that I've submitted and you're gonna give ones that you've submitted. That's correct. And we're gonna skip over all the rest of the thousands of ideas that are out there that are all really very, very good, but.

Jason Atwood: I mean I put it really today that I thought were really good or dead put in I voted on to today that I thought We're really good, but you know So I think actually let's give a little bit of background.

Justin Edelstein: Let's do that because I spoke at Dreamforce. Yes this past one DF 12 hashtag hashtag do and I spoke about the inner workings of the idea exchange and how important it is for the community to participate in the idea exchange and I actually talked about how at Arkus we keep a Google Sheet of all the ideas that we have either submitted or voted on so that from time to time everyone else at Arkus can just go into that sheet and say, oh look at all these ideas that I should vote on. We also use chatter to communicate, communicate with one another and say, hey I just submitted this idea or put it in a group or whatnot that You should go vote on it. So that's what we do here at Arkus. I think it's a good practice for even if you're a really large company and you're using Salesforce and you really need something, you can get some votes out there pretty quickly by doing something like this.

Justin Edelstein: Do you think you have like, I mean,

Jason Atwood: We we used to work at the company that should have been named where we had, let's say thousands of active users. All the way had much more licenses. We could have activated those licenses, gave them fake names of it. But at the thousands of active, you could get under to 200 people to get 10 boats each. I guess last month and we were talking about it and there was features that they were asking about and I said well That's on the India exchange. I explained it what it was. I went to it. I said Listen, you guys have hundreds of users go ahead click on them like, you know, send out the mass email So we kind of do that internally just as a way to you know, if we want to have something I think we started as only ones that we put in, but now we put in both ones that we like and basically the new ones are at the top and you can go in and we just check off whether we voted on it so I can, it takes me like five minutes to go in and vote on the last five that we put in.

03:55 Jason Atwood: But so for today's purposes,

Justin Edelstein: We're gonna be pimping our own ideas and hoping that. you all go out there and vote for them. That's correct. So I'll start. I'll give the full name, what it is, how many, I'll say how many votes there are, or how many points. I'll give the points, not the votes. And how many comments there are. Some of these are kind of weak. There's only three. One of them is fairly weak, but I think it's a great idea. But I'll start with the one in the middle. Are you going to use things that I'm going to do when it's been delivered? No, I'm gonna stick with ones that I need people to vote on. Okay, I'm gonna do one deliver see I have Delivered ones. I actually have a very good percentage. I was told of ideas or delivered ideas to ideas submitted but Regardless of my ratio my win ratio.

Justin Edelstein: I will stick with things that I want people to go out and vote for so I will start with something That is near and dear to my heart permission sets. You'll see there's a little theme here Org-wide email addresses in permission sets Nice the idea here is that I want to associate an org-wide email address to one user or a few users Via a permission set regardless of their profile So a lot of this stems around support. So I want to allow a few different users to respond from a support email address, but I don't want to let everybody in that profile use that email address. Right now, it's profile based. Right now, it's totally profile based.

Jason Atwood: So if you have a org-wide email. support at ARK.com, you can only restrict people who can use that by their profile. Correct. And so if, well, and really since we're moving, trying to move away from having many different profiles, if you have one profile which we've set up works with one profile with many permission sets, then everybody in that profile, while they might have different jobs, would still be able to use this which is no good. Correct.

Justin Edelstein: Okay. Now also I wrote in a little use case and it... It also stemmed from I wanted a partner. I wanted partner portal users to be able to use the org wide email address and you can you can extend permission sets to partner portal users But not all of them nice some of them so So this has 120 points which is 12 votes and it has five comments nice, so Not really highly voted on, but it does have some comments from the product manager Saying that it's not the first time he's heard the idea and glad that the idea made it onto the idea exchange Only 120 points though. It's been six months. Come on people. Let's go.

Jason Atwood: We've all voted on it. That means not a lot of people out there.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, it's got 12 votes, but basically Five of them are from Marcus. Yeah, four or five are from Marcus. So so Org-wide email addresses in permission sets. Get out there and vote.

Jason Atwood: So I'm gonna give you one, and the reason I'm giving this is something that's been delivered because it needs to happen in more than one place, and vendors, vars, need to take notice of this one. So, when I was first installed, the Chatter app for... mobile, the mobile chatter app. And when you first install, yes, you install the chatter app, I went back into the org the next day and I noticed this thing that said, Jason Atwood just installed chatter for iPhone via m.salesforce.com from your mobile on your chatter. And I was like, wait a second. I didn't post that. Like how it just chattered that I did something, although I didn't know that it chattered.

07:32 Justin Edelstein: So I went and wrote a, Jason Atwood just installed Salesforce for Outlook.

Jason Atwood: So I went and I put my idea on the average exchange called make chatter mobile install status update optional Right, you don't have to delete them But at the end of your install if it says do you want to chatter you just did it fine Give me the ability to do it It's kind of like tweeting or whatever. It's like, do you want to tweet this out? When I buy things now on Amazon, it says, do you want to tweet that you just bought this? Sometimes I actually do. I'm like, yeah. I love that. Yeah, yeah, I'm buying stuff. I do that all the time. So anyway, it got delivered in summer 12 and it had 1,030 points, 17 comments. But the problem is not gone. No. Because I saw someone install, how do I know that they installed something?

Jason Atwood: Because I saw it in the chatter feed. external products sometimes do this and chatter, I don't think the Outlook thing does it anymore. They actually took it away from the Outlook. So Salesforce learned from their own mistakes, but now I'm pleading to all of you vendors out there or all of you VARs or Salesforce AppExchange listings, whenever you build a product that installs. Please that solves at least has a personal like you have to install the personal. Please do not do this This is actually it go it on the very small side. It's an annoyance on the very big side. It's an invasion of privacy It's chatter spam It is chatter spam and it's also like what happens if you just I brought up the example of what happens if I'm an admin I'm just installing something as a test case and I don't want everybody to know that a there is something up that they can install Or be that they're ready to install it Basically just told the world that I did it and it's like you can't even tell the world World selfless world your own little that's a world.

Justin Edelstein: So anyway, it's got there I know something you you submitted I submit it and it got it got it delivered. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, nice All right. Give me another one go in there and look at some of my delivered ones just cuz you're doing all this braggy stuff All right, so this one needs some real help and I think it's a great idea. It's only got 40 points Which means not even everybody at Arkus has voted on this idea. Which one is this one? Which is kind of sad. Including you. You need to vote on this. What? I voted on everyone in our list. Not this one, my friend. So this is called back to chatter tab. And then parentheses, just like back to list. So when I'm, just to give some background, when you're working in a list view.

Justin Edelstein: And you click on a record, when you land on the record, you get that handy little link that says, back to list, right? Which is really handy, you're working on a list of opportunities. 50! Oh, nice. Sweet. So, this was submitted more than a year ago, by the way. So it's really handy, you go back to the list, you do the next thing on the next record. You go back to the list, sometimes the record disappears from that list because you're doing something to it. Right. Alright. people who I haven't logged an activity with in the last seven days then you log the activity go back to the list they're gone. Well more and more recently I've been doing the same thing from the chatter tab. I've been clicking on records from the chatter tab and I then leave the chatter tab and I leave the feed but I can't get.

10:45 Justin Edelstein: Back to it. You haven't learned how to command option. Yeah, I know open new tab great, but you know, that's not exactly The point here. The point is to make my navigation very simple I want to click on the record land on the record read more details about the record then click a link and land me right back Where I was in the chatter tab in that place where I was because you could have been halfway down I couldn't halfway down. I could be all the way down. I could be somewhere in the middle. I could be in a filter

Jason Atwood: Of the record on the page layout and when they implemented Chatter they had the chance of above the chatter feed, it will always be persistent and not always know where it is. If we put it below the chatter feed, when you expand the chatter feed, it goes ooooooh, down to the bottom of the chatter feed where you can't find it because chatter feeds can be either very small or very large. So it's inconsistent. They actually put it below. It's a pain especially when you're actually trying to read things read chatter on things you basically have to go Expand chatter look at the chatter close chatter go back and do this back and forth plus It's not persistent. I think this might be another idea out there, but If I'm going to show chatter on on an object basics chat on a report.

13:53 Justin Edelstein: We have a a report that we chatter a lot a lot, a lot. Booked hours. We chatter on it every week. I'm opening the kimono baby. This is the open the kimono show. We open it wide open. But we chatter on it every week and we have some comments sometimes and back and forth and whatever for Like there's like years worth of chatter Ever since chatter on reports existed there's chatter on there the And I'll jump and I'll be like ah man now I gotta close it and I close it and I go back to record Right not open it.

Jason Atwood: It should be object. I mean it'd be great if it were record by record I think that being possible that'd be fantastic,Butches, but, Think about what they do with with You can post sections section by section,

Justin Edelstein: Object by object. Yeah, but sometimes those don't work so well. I find they work pretty well. I find that they work okay unless there are sections that hold like visual force pages. Oh well that's that's another idea.

Jason Atwood: Anyway move back to list above chatterfeed on objects. posted by Jason Atwood 160 points and Not a lot of points. No points actually looked at the voters and I can see that I voted a couple times Cuz I walked outside one two three four.

Justin Edelstein: Stop.

Jason Atwood: Stop. You're not supposed to do that Well, I can see there's a Jason Atwood a Jason Atwood a Jay Atwood and another former company I used to be a part of So, so out of that 16, five are mine.

Justin Edelstein: That's kind of funny. Go vote on those. Alright, so... Full kimono, baby. Yeah, full kimono. Alright, so now I'm gonna go to my... big... my biggest idea in terms of... The entire life. Well, maybe. Well, in a past life I've had a bigger idea in a different profile, so if you looked... you could find a different profile of me that has a lot more votes and still isn't delivered. But this is one that has a lot of action on it. It's called record type selection and permission sets. You see my theme. I love permission sets. And I've talked about them many times on the show. That's a good to see record type selection and page layout assignments in permission sets. And it's sort of morphed into just record type selection, because doing both would be really, really hard as explained.

Justin Edelstein: But a lot of people are saying, you know, if I have like a one-to-one type model with record type to page layout, so if I could just control record type, I can control the page layout because it's one-to-one anyway. Right. Alright. My big use case for this is actually, I don't know if anyone else has ever mentioned this or even talked about it, but for me a big one is, I want to control the default record type for a specific user. By permission set? permission set because when you're doing cases, lead conversion. So when you're doing a lead conversion, you're converting to whatever that user's profiles default record type is for accounts, contacts and opportunities. But I might have three different record types of opportunities. and two different record types of accounts.

17:41 Justin Edelstein: And I want to control on a user by user basis which account they're creating and which record type of opportunity they're creating and not have to do that at a profile level. Right, that's my big thing with this is I really want to control the default record type and it's sort of more from default to which ones can they create can it override what the profile says and this that and the other aaand. It's a very heavily commented on idea the the product man again Adam Torman is is out there he's he he last posted on this one day ago I mean this is, this one gets a lot of action. It doesn't even have a being considered or anything? It is not marked as anything although I know Adam's looking at it just because I've talked to him about it so many times and he answers this thing constantly.

Justin Edelstein: You know when you submit an idea and then people comment on it you get an email every time so I get emails on this lot. Because again 101 comments.

Jason Atwood: 2030 is not Yeah, I mean it's an important one. So when you log into Salesforce, it used to be. There's a concept behind when you sync things with Salesforce. You sync things from Outlook or you send in emails using email to Salesforce. And they don't- match up to a record. So there's no email, there's no person in there. They go into something called my unresolved items. used to be only down on this underneath under my tasks. And so actually my idea is about that. But it's gotten worse because there's now a new shortcut on the side that you can add to your org. And here's the problem. That thing shows up all the time whether you have zero unresolved items or none. And the worst part about it is the icon, next to the My Unresolved Items, is a big warning symbol.

Jason Atwood: It's like the symbol for warning. So when you log into the org, you see this thing that says, Warning! My Unresolved Items! And you're like, oh, I've got to go get that! Let's go, oh my goodness, the world's a colliding. So you click on it, and it's empty.

Justin Edelstein: There's nothing in there. there but it It screams at you to click it. Yeah, so my idea was Salesforce for Outlook hide my

20:42 Jason Atwood: Unresolved items if no items to be resolved It seems pretty simple like there's so much going on on that page I feel like if things don't need my attention get them out of my face Don't give me links to things that don't need it now the link to my calendar makes sense my calendars always there and there's always Like, owners always there. There's always something in it. But when you say my unresolved items, that actually is saying, UI development team at Salesforce, that there are unresolved. Because you're saying my unresolved items. If there's none there, there are actually no unresolved items. It's a zero set. So. It has 430 points on it. It has been merged once. It has four comments, because it's just so self explanatory. I don't look, it looks like I haven't voted on this more than once.

Jason Atwood: That's good. No, I have voted on it twice. I have voted on it twice. But anyway, go out there. Salesforce.Look. Hide my unresolved items if no items should be resolved. The other thing is, we have our profile, so if you want to find our profile, I don't even know how you find our profile in the system. Can you search for our profile?

Justin Edelstein: I don't know. Anyway, if you find... Let's see what search allows you to do. Yeah, you can... Come on. User groups, answers. I think you could probably search for like developers and find us. Let's try it. I bet you could. Okay. You can probably just put your name, put a name in there.

Jason Atwood: I'm trying right now. Wanna do another one? Yep, it works. There you go. Wanna do another one? Sure, one more. One more. I got the littlest, tiniest one that I'll throw in there. I've got a good one.

Justin Edelstein: It's like tiny, but it's like one of these little things. I've had, I'm not gonna give you the ones that I've had delivered, because the ones, The two that had delivered one had 60 points and one at 80 points. Okay, so it's just like this stuff needs to be fixed Right fixed it So this is one that I find would be very useful. It's called allow advanced filters in roll-up summary fields. Okay, so in roll-up summary fields you can't use and or logic. It'd be great to have advanced filters just like creating a list view. So when you create a list view, you can do like one and two and three or four and... five. Yes. Something like that. Do that all the time. You know, you're limited to five criteria in roll-up summaries and you can't do like advanced date things like a date equals last 30 days.

Justin Edelstein: Okay. You can't do that either. So all the things that you can do in a list view I'd like to be or report I'd like to be able to do in a roll-up summary field and make them more robust. That's nice. So allow advanced filters and roll up summary fields 230 points to comments Out there for more than a year all these all these are old. They've been out there I have I'm gonna bring them back to the forefront. I'm gonna throw two out there.

Jason Atwood: I'll just say one's really quickly It's too easy post a chatter without showing chatter No brainer. Don't make me have to show the entire chatter feed on an object, on a record, to be able to post to it. Let me just post to it, because I don't need to see it, I just wanna add to it. Makes sense, right? Here's my one that I have forgotten about. I'm glad we did a fourth one, because this one drives me crazy. See how awesome I am? No, not very awesome. I'm pretty excited. Nine months ago. 90 points, only 9 voters, of which I voted on it only once. That's good. All of Arkus has been on it, including Matthew Lamb, thank you very much. Who's a big sell. Not Arkus. No, I'm not part of Arkus, but I'm saying he's a big Salesforce guy.

24:24 Jason Atwood: He was my co-speaker. There you go. The Idea Exchange speech. So when you are creating a report... and you're using the timeframe.

Justin Edelstein: Oh yeah, this is a good one. This is a good one.

Jason Atwood: And you are typing in the timeframe in a report when you're building it in the wizard. You have all the normal things, current fiscal year, connects fiscal year yesterday, today, yesterday, last week, this week, month. You have all those things in this list. But at the top, you have one that you can do that says all time. And what it does is it'll wipe out the dates. You click run report. and you get your report and you're like, you know, you maybe set a different time. You're like, oh, let me get back to all time. And you click on, now you're on the report, not on the builder, and you click on the time frame and you click on the range and you go to the top and it's not there. Why is all time not there?

Jason Atwood: So what you have to do is do custom, and then you have to go delete the two out. Or you can just delete them out without. hitting custom. Right, when it flips the custom. But you still have to put your mouse into two fields and delete them and then hit the run port as opposed to just going all time. So my idea is, this is a very difficult idea, add all time to time frame range. Put it in there. It's there. So 90 points. Love to see some more votes on that one. I actually tweet mine out whenever I put one in so I'll put it in and tweet it out. I should probably be better about... Going in and retweeting them or it doesn't have to be able to Facebook like them But I'm not sure I want to throw up maybe I will just for the heck of it See what happens I throw it up on Facebook people to be like what why are you putting idea exchanges on your Facebook?

Jason Atwood: Alright, well, let's get to her that's our all idea all stars all star ideas chain all stars That's not what you like. Did you like this? Was it fun? Was it interesting? Did you learn something? Or is this totally like a useless way of filling time when there's no news? You tell us. But let's get on to the thing that we know you love, the CloudFocus app, Pick of the Week. All right, let's do it. Go Justin, go.

Justin Edelstein: Everyone knows I have fallen. I have fallen in love with my iPad again. Now that I have an iPad mini I love my little mini And everyone knows I love streaming television Everybody knows that I love trashy reality television You do So, actually might be a good one. This is a good one. You need this. You do need this. So, A&E. So, A&E. A&E, the A&E app. Nice! For iPad. It is literally just an iPad app. It does not exist for the iPhone. It doesn't mean anything to me. It will soon. But, for now, it's just for the iPad.

Jason Atwood: No one watches video on their iPhone anymore.

Justin Edelstein: And you can watch full episodes not full like every season of every show and it doesn't have even every show within the season but it has the most recent bunch so like if you're into storage wars if into storage doors taxes, storage doors new york. Duck Dynasty, you know if you're into any of these awesome A&E shows. Yep This is the app for you because you can just sit there pop it on it's free I know I'm gonna ask you a question which you've not tested which no you're gonna ask me a question that I have tested So dad. All right, ask Can you? can you airplane to Apple TV? Oh, I don't know what I'm saying. Yeah, fail. Now, I didn't do that. That takes us from cool app to super cool app.

28:03 Justin Edelstein: I thought you were going to ask me if I, if you have to like log into your cable provider. And the answer to that is no. Well, that's even better. No, that's the better answer. There was one the other day that I went to the world to the end that... Like there's HBO Go, you have to log into your your cable provider and they have to have a deal with HBO. Showtime has theirs. And it only works like two camera letters. There's four now. Okay. But I'm not on one of those four. And there's advantages to using some of these apps like HBO Go. I really enjoy girls, show girls.

Jason Atwood: And I enjoy girls as well. This is not an explicit podcast. Nor do we need to know your inclinations.

Justin Edelstein: But you can on HBO go you can watch an episode ahead What yeah, you just what now well, I'm I've already seen episode four of girls.

Jason Atwood: I don't know about you Well I'm not watching. I'm stuck on three. I'm not watching the season. I'm what oh wait. What's over? I'll ask you to watch it when it's on

Justin Edelstein: But I've already seen the next episode of course. like Game of Thrones comes out. Why not? Because Showtime does it too with disappears. So like, like the show airs on Sunday. Yeah, and then on Monday you get the next next one day So I'm a I'm a week ahead Like I I don't watch it on some money some money someone needs to cut down the TV watch it But I don't know we can head yeah, so I watch my showtime shows on Monday You know Sundays reserved for other things not anymore Well, still, like HBO and AMC when they come back, like The Walking Dead and Mad Men's coming back in April. I to. I'll take it. Devote. All right, cool, well good app. I like it. So, Annie, so free. I love when these networks are putting out these apps.

Jason Atwood: The only thing I don't like it is it becomes so singular. Because I honestly don't know, because I don't spend my time, my watching of TV is all TiVo or streaming. So, I really don't know or care what the channels are on. So I don't mean, now it makes me have to pay attention to,1959, I mean obviously big things like, you know, things that aren't HBO, I pay for HBO, so I have to know what I'm getting for HBO.

Justin Edelstein: But any history learning channel And I know they even put the logo in the corner now, A and E as full episodes.

Jason Atwood: But NBC has Hulu, has all the stuff. But then, I mean, I actually just rather have, I like the idea of Hulu better than these because I want to just go on one place.

31:15 Justin Edelstein: See, I like Netflix, even though at least on Netflix, you're not getting. Well you're not getting like season two episode 12 through 14. Right, you get the whole thing. Right, you get the whole thing. And I need the the whole thing. Well that is good. So HBO Go is so awesome. Well HBO's Go is awesome. HBO's the greatest. But you pay for it. You pay for it. Well I pay for HBO Go and I happen to get HBO on my TV. That's how I think about it. Right. But you're going, the way they're

Jason Atwood: Going to do, and I think the future of cable is that... No, you know, this is the model that you've always wanted. Let me pick the channels I want. Give it to me. Give me watch ESPN. Yep. I want watch ESPN. I want A&E on demand. And I want HBO. And that's it. And I want NBC. Great. And give me the pipe. And make it thick. Right. And give me 100 megabyte down so I can watch it all at the same time. We're getting there. But interesting that they did a free one that doesn't require, you know, cable access. Ads. Well, they all have ads. Even Hulu Plus, which is always crazy.

Justin Edelstein: Well, this is like, this is the Hulu Plus model of ads. Right. So the shows have ads in them.

Jason Atwood: But you have to test it whether you can push it to Apple TV. I have not, because I don't really do that. Well, it just makes it if I wanted to watch something bigger, I could just throw it up there and see if it worked. All right. My pick is, I could have picked this last week, So, almost nine years now. 2004 I decided to go sort of paperless, and over the years I've just gone more and more paperless. To the point where, actually this year, when I went through my paper from last year to see what I actually collected, I had very little, because I almost don't take paper anymore. Everything's e-delivery, and everything is scanned. Well, when it comes to scanner decision, there's lots out there, but really it comes down to one.

Jason Atwood: There's one maker and now one model and that's it. This is the best scanner on the planet for scanning documents and I'm going to tell you why. It's called the FUJITU SnapScan IX500. It just came out like two weeks ago or four weeks ago. I've owned the previous model. There was I think three in between which I now own which, you now own Which I had and loved for many many years literally Maybe six seven years it worked fine and it still works fine. It just doesn't have all the new features And I was a couple features. I was looking for and this one has it So it's a multi- to multi-page multi-duplex scanner. That means it scans when you put in a page, it scans both sides at the same time.

34:18 Jason Atwood: And it's very, very fast. That's all sort of the stuff that every one of these scanners has done. What has this one brought on to the new game? A, it's faster. They have built-in processors now aint it that sort of do stuff, including OCR inside, which is nice. But here's the one thing that's now why there will be another one in the Arkus office within probably a week or two. It has wireless built-in. Okay, that's kind of cool. So I guess I could connect it up to the network and I guess I could scan from my computers. Would that what I would do? Yes, but you can also scan from your devices. So you can go up to the scanner, open up your iPad, put something in the scanner, and then on your iPad hit the scan button and it scans.

Jason Atwood: Right to your iPad, which you then can do whatever you want. Drag it, throw it in an email, throw it into Dropbox, whatever you want. So it kind of creates like a scan station. For people who want to scan in one or two things in the office, don't even need to want to have their computer around them like maybe my computer's in the other room. So it is, I've tried it out, I've tried on multiple devices, iPad, iPhone. It's very very good, it's very fast. If you're into scanning, This is great for homes because again you might have three or four people in your home and they all want to scan stuff But you don't want to plug it into their computer with the software Whatever all they need is the free iPad app on their thing You have to connect up once to kind of say you can use in your password and then boom It's on the network and it can be you can just hit it and scan right to it This is the stuff that you used to have to pay thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars to do like you think about You know, network scanners, I used to do this for a project, they were $2,000 each.

Jason Atwood: So this is very, very cool. It's a great app. Did you give the cost of this yet? It is just under $500. It's like $450. It comes with a bunch of software that kind of takes a little bit of the sting out of it because it comes with some stuff that is like $200 for the software. It comes with Adobe, Acrobat, whatever. But now we use PDF pen. and thing. It comes with an OCR, another OCR thing that does some really good OCRing. Again, OCR, the world of optical character recognition, used to be very difficult and it used to be slow. It is now wicked fast and really good. Now Evernote exists. Well, Evernote will do it for you. Right. But now this will do it into the document so it's in the PDF. And you don't have to worry about it.

Jason Atwood: The problem with Evernote, and we can talk about this, but the problem with Evernote is it's a very good capture. Really bad to get crap out. In fact, almost impossible to get crap out. And when you're dealing with stuff that you want to last for the next 10 years, you're probably not going to want to Evernote. Like, if you want a PDF, a PDF you can open up in 10 years. You can open up a PDF from 10 years ago. Evernote didn't exist 10 years ago. Probably not gonna exist in 10 years. You wanna be able to get your stuff out and have it in a format that is just, that it can never be stopped. All right, I wanna do one other plug because this came about because I started going to like a new paperless thing for 2013.

37:18 Jason Atwood: I was like gonna re-up and- What's this plug? I'm plugging a book.

Justin Edelstein: You're plugging a book? Yep. Did they pay for this? Nope. Yes it did. Nope. Thank you.

Jason Atwood: Called if you're really into, if you want to get into paperless scan or paperless world or whatever in your home or in your office, whatever. It's a great book by,

Justin Edelstein: Oh, I gotta forget his name. You can't do the plug without the actual plug in front of you. Well, the name of the. Need the card?

Jason Atwood: No. I got it. It's by a guy who does a lot of screen casts. He's actually a lawyer in real thing, but he wrote this book called Paper-less by David Sparks. search for it on the iBook store, download it to your iDevice. Is it free? It is not free. It's $10. $9.99. And here's why it's great. Not only does it have all the chapters and stuff about naming the conventions and where to store things and all the things it has about 120 minutes worth of screen captures in the book so you can learn as he does it. He'll show you how to do it. That's a big question for you. Yes. Does Paperless exist as a paper book? I don't think it does. It better not. I think it exists as a PDF and you can get the PDF but it's not.

Jason Atwood: It better not exist as a real book. So what I like about this guy is he doesn't just say one thing is good. He says a lot of things are good and he shows these great video casts. I was actually reading this book in the morning and then playing the casts and then reading it is very good. Paperless by David Sparks, great. or great by it, love it. Love to hear how you use it. All right, that's it for CloudBooks Weekly. Hit us up on Twitter at ArcaSync or Jason M. Atwood or just Edelstein. Hit us up on the Facebook, hit us up on the Google Plus, hit us, us up in the Dreamforce Port, subscribe to the podcast, inside of iTunes or with your favorite iTunes or podcast reader, reader. I'll be love all that.

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