Mono Mono Mono - Episode #133 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 133rd episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the second week of April, 2013. This episode is titled Mono, Mono, Mono. CloudFocus Weekly is sponsored by Arkus, you're cloud computing experts. I'm your host R.J. and joining me. co-host after our marathon of a podcast last week Justin Edelstein, Justin how you doing today? That was Not a sprint.

Justin Edelstein: That was like a half marathon perhaps. You're very close to your mic. I'm trying why cuz I listened to all 120 minutes. the podcast from last week or I guess it wasn't it was about 90 minutes but yeah and I thought I sound very low I don't project to

Jason Atwood: My mic I know we just got two new mics so yes so for the listening audience you know we're all big blue fans and we have the blue snowball right which is the snowball and then we have the blue snowball which is silver right and then we were looking for a travel mic because the last time we took the blue snowball on the Road, let's just say the TSA the blue snowball So we just got these new ones called blue snowflakes yeah, and they're tiny and they sit and they're trying to wrap up in a nice little case and we're thinking about using them for travel to do because we're actually be away next week but we don't want to let down our listening audience.

Justin Edelstein: Even though we prepared them during the last podcast we said we. May not be around next week we're going to try our best but so this is our with these. Yeah well we're testing them this week. We're testing them in production, which is not advisable,

Jason Atwood: But we're doing it. No one's paying us to make this podcast. That's true. It doesn't really matter.

Justin Edelstein: We're sponsoring it ourselves,

Jason Atwood: Sponsored by Arkus. I have found that some of my clients are starting to say that they're listening to the podcast. Oh, did they like it? And it's becoming a little bit like, ooh.

Justin Edelstein: Do we talk about them? I don't know. We try not to talk about our clients in specific anything. But sometimes we give examples of things that we've done, that we've done for our clients obviously and maybe one that's listening will say, oh, that was... Me. Me. Yeah. I don't know, maybe. So it was.

Jason Atwood: So you out there who's thinking it's for you? It's for you. It's for you. Everything we do is for you. For you. You're our only client. Only client. And closing up shots. All right- so let's get- so anyway, I'd love to hear feedback this week on the blue snowflake mics. Hopefully there's not too much feedback in people's ears. We actually did a test where- where it was coming through as the two sides, like I was on the left and you were on the right, I was willing to go in. You thought that was okay, I was not. That was great. No.

Justin Edelstein: It was not like a DJ where you're just mixing it left and right, no. We're not doing that.

Jason Atwood: The crossfade? Yeah, the crossfade. But so we will try to do our podcast from Texas, next week.

03:11 Justin Edelstein: Austin. Austin, Texas. Austin, Texas, a city. in Texas, not a Texan city Texan city from what I've heard. It's you've been there. Well that's what people say. Okay it's weird because you've been there But let's talk about our agenda today.

Jason Atwood: First thing we have a little feedback. We got some feedback from last week's podcast talk about that. We have the blog post de jour of the week. We have two two of the week. We have two of the week. We have two of the week. although it does fit right into what we're talking about, but whatever. Well then let's just talk about it and people read it when they read it. Okay and then there's Spring MVP's announced and we have Salesforce announces a new open source and a new catch word or a new catch, what is that, Acronym. I don't think they came up with that. Someone else did. Someone else did. Okay. Someone else did. Okay. Someone else did. Okay. Okay. Someone else did. Okay. Okay. And then... It's sort of in the news, it's sort of cloud, it's sort of whatever, but it's hard to ignore the news of the new Facebook phone.

Jason Atwood: Neither one of us own it. I actually read about 10 reviews this morning, because I wasn't interested. I've read none.

Justin Edelstein: I knew they were doing a phone announcement.

Jason Atwood: We'll get to it. We'll get to it. I'll save it. So let's go for the blog post that's actually up at blog.argosync.com. You can read right now, today.

Justin Edelstein: Is the It's called under consideration idea exchange ideas worth a vote. Okay. A mouthful of, of a title.

Jason Atwood: So, for all of you who are just turning in for the first time, we talk about a lot of stuff, but one of the things we talk about more often than not is Salesforce. And Salesforce has a way of collecting ideas from the community called the idea exchange, where people vote on them. And one of the things they've added over the last couple years is sort of a status of ideas to say under consideration or not planned which we've talked about really pissed people off. We don't like those. Or you know coming in next release or I think those are it. Or delivered. No there's a lot of them. No, it's delivered. That's right statuses.

Justin Edelstein: No, There's pilot beta. There's AppExchange partner available. And then they have delivered in which release they've been delivered.

Jason Atwood: So these are ones that are on consideration. That means that they're getting into the scrums. If someone's starting to talk about them, starting to build them out as user stories, maybe they might be. They're considering them.

Justin Edelstein: They're talking about them. They're talking about them. At least they're being talked about.

Jason Atwood: It's a good time to go put your votes on them, because you can push them over the edge. Maybe one of these will be.

Justin Edelstein: And not to be overlooked, comment on them. Yes. So not only vote, just comment, give use cases, say why you think this would be interesting. So you actually spoke at the, didn't you speak at the,

Jason Atwood: Yeah, Dreamforce last year? Idea Exchange under the covers. I was the- And do they count comments?

Justin Edelstein: They look at them and the PMs get a lot of ideas from them. From the comments? From the comments, yeah. But they don't say, if I have two ideas, both of- 5,000 no, they don't really consider it Two comments this is part of like thousand comments They don't really look at that as part of like the quote-unquote velocity of an idea But but the comments are how you engage with salesforce So that's how you engage with both the person who submitted the idea anybody else who's commented previously on the idea and the PM's If they're good are also in there

06:51 Jason Atwood: Commenting on that idea with It's a big one. It's actually partially delivered because you can actually... And that's not even in one of our four. This is increased number of chatter objects one can follow.

Justin Edelstein: Is that number two? Oh, it's number three.

Jason Atwood: Sorry. Oh, three, two. It's two. It's three. But... Oh, three, you're right. Yeah, yeah, three. But I will tell you, it is sort of implemented because... in the comments, if you read the comments, the PM has said, the PM has said, this is available, put in a ticket. Now we've actually talked about what you should do for that ticket and that people don't really, you have to write like a little essay and why you need it. Little business case. I use chatter a lot, I follow a lot of records. Right. What else was the deal? Done. Business case. So we got ourselves up to like 2,500. Sweet. I think. I don't know.

Justin Edelstein: I've gotten in such a groove of pruning and unfollowing that it's part of my, to go back to last week, it's part of my review process to unfollow things on a weekly basis. Yeah, on a weekly basis I unfollow things. So I go through and I say, oh, I no longer need to follow these. Things that fit in this criteria and have list views and just unfollow things.

Jason Atwood: Know because I always think like jeez like we we track all our invoices inside Salesforce and obviously I don't need to follow any ones that are paid they're already paid so I have a view called paid invoices and I have to go through our closed cases. It'd be nice just to go quick, all unfollow. Yeah, there's a super unfollow button.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, there's a super follow button. Is there a super unfollow button? Yeah, they're on the app exchange. You can find them. I think they took them away, but they're still there.

Jason Atwood: It's funny with their own dev shop how I don't, how I almost like, yeah, why don't we just write around? You know, because sometimes you'd saw these things, it's like, yeah, not so good. We had the super follow button. And we removed it.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, so there's no longer necessary. All right.

Jason Atwood: So So that's one of them and then watch pick one other but let's leave the rest Well, the one that I really liked is the first one that was listed was chatter filter

Justin Edelstein: Filter my own personal actions and remove them from my feed 2500 points 2500 plus so this is the idea that anything that you Chatter that you're the person who produced that chatter. And I think it needs to be pruned a little to say anything that I've put up there that doesn't have a comment or doesn't have a like or any other action by somebody else is why it's not don't show it to me. That's right because that's what the comments are for. And you know I would say my idea would be, you know, get my own stuff out of my feed until someone comments on it and then it is relevant again.

Jason Atwood: I will say as a, a best practice like, I know it doesn't make sense but again we don't have a lot of people people chattering in our org but I can't imagine what it would be like just to have huge org's where I feel like I would just miss tons of stuff. Well I think I I's one of you

10:23 Justin Edelstein: You know, I have list, and when you, you can toggle the list between list and chatter. So then anything on that list, you see the chatter of it. You can save those. And they're already kind of saved because they're the the list.. the the and a list I I. They're the list. b- I- there they show up as your little favorited so I I don't know how many actually do that I think it's a really great feature that I don't think is a little I would not highly adopted it's it's like hidden a little bit means like tags well no it's more useful than not that useful

Jason Atwood: Alright, so you can go read the other ones again, you want to vote, their links are right there to them, go vote them up. You know, so maybe some, we love the idea exchange. I will say my, I wish the, and I think they're fixing this with a single sign on, I always feel like whenever I have Like it doesn't feel...

Justin Edelstein: Pops you right over to the In line and logged in. Right. So, if there was go to idea exchange go to answers that would be pretty nice. And it's coming.

Jason Atwood: Single sign up stuff is coming. So, again that would be my thing for the idea exchange. Make it easier for me to post stuff in because I feel like, I mean maybe it get more, when I do that. But, anyway, so go to blog.org sync.com and read up on the under consideration idea exchange ideas with a vote. That is more than a mouthful. as a methodology for a track like GTD. It kind of brings us back to our last conversation or our last podcast which we have on the podcast. Wow. It's a topic that a lot of people like, so it's very interesting. I've had clients come to me and say, CBI just ordered the book because I was listening to your podcast. That's cool. So I want my percentage cut. Get your check.

13:29 Jason Atwood: Well it's funny because I said in the podcast, we both said, don't read the book to start. Do this to start.

Justin Edelstein: Maybe they already did it. No,

Jason Atwood: I sent them the video. Watch this video. It's a 22 minute video of the TED Talk. interest you and go read the book. Anyway, so great feedback. I'm... I think we might have to do some more special, you know, afternoon I I re-wrote it for Google Docs. I used GTD and Google Docs sort of connected and what sort of the change what's changed and what's better because, we Before I get on recording this on Wednesday or going this, Wednesday It'll be up by Friday, but you should always go there and look for stuff.

Justin Edelstein: So next up re-reward, so you're re-upping for a second- I feel like this podcast is a big part of it. I have been re-rewarded, so congratulations to me. I was spring 11, you were spring 12, this is now spring 13.

Jason Atwood: So Yeah, I mean there's other stuff going on we can already really talk to some of it. That's like secret. Anyway, Throw these it's a secret club and you guys aren't invited No, you aren't ready cuz there's two of them. That's it on the podcast We could call this the MVP But just to talk about it, it's it's a program glared by Salesforce. It It trying to identify and thank in a formalized way, and you know, with a little bit of, you know, badge of honor type of thing. People in the community, not Salesforce and in fact, we've had MVPs who get hired by Salesforce and MVPs. That's right. To thank, you know, sort of to recognize them. It does just that. It gives a set of people who then will work for you for free, who Really interesting.

16:47 Jason Atwood: BI'd love ot know more I'd love to know more. And I know we interviewed Erika at Dreamforce last year, but it'd be maybe an interesting to interview her again about program sort of like where to come from. I'd like to do other other programs that they look at. They look at does like Pepsi do this or does someone else?

Justin Edelstein: But let me let me plug something for the MVP community. community as part of you know as part of the engagement segment of the MVP community there is a community led for the community by the community MVP office hours coming out. Okay and it's going to be this Friday April 12th from 9 30-10 30 Pacific time. Okay, this Friday this Friday in two days in two days and you can you know what? I'm just gonna say you can follow the twitter handle at mvp Oh You will find links to be able to join like a go-to meeting and be able to ask questions using hashtag m, vpoh and there'll be MVPs at the ready to answer questions and just communicate at large with people. Basically stump the MVP. Stump the MVP. Get on there and ask some tough questions.

Jason Atwood: Tough, tough questions. Can you set the created user with a data uploader? Sure. It's funny because when I'm not, I mean I know way too much about Salesforce, but when I, someone asked me a question, I'm always like, hmm, unless it's something I was just doing, I have to think, oh, you know, is that a, is that a limit? Is it a function? Is it a feature? Is it something that actually was a problem and now is no longer a problem? Always this interesting way to think about it. So next up is the salesforce.com launches a new service for mobile app development. This is you know making a little splashy splash actually picked up someone the other day they bought a company, but didn't make it to our podcast But this is kind of interesting because they This is like the SDK 2.0.

Jason Atwood: Right? All right, and it's they're getting into making you know, basically mobile as part of the company company company connected company customer customer company customer company Wow yeah one another beer no okay I haven't even had one it's been a long week it's Wednesday it's been a long week it has been a long week so you know getting into the mall big it's part one of the nine tenants of this mobile It's clearly like you know it's such a big sort of thing everybody talks about it's interesting when we talk to our clients it's more of a checkbox than it is a That's my strategy. It's more of right can I get to it? Mobily like our clients again all of you listening they're not so much concerned about can I build a new mobile platform to service whatever they're like can I get to that data via mobile in any fashion?

19:55 Jason Atwood: Yes? Okay good because usually coming from someplace where it's totally not doable but this is a way to build out what they're trying to do is make it very easy and easier and listen to build out mobile applications using Salesforce as the back end using HTML5 and hybrid technologies is easy. Right because I mean back in the day we used to develop our own mobile apps back at the big company and you spend millions of dollars doing that relent now you know it's getting too getting easier and easier I keep in mind building an iOS app used to be. Like difficult my built one and then now you almost go to like the shops you be like. just give me a branded app that reads in these two RSS feeds and it's branded and has my logo on it and they're like okay and you publish it to the store.

Jason Atwood: It's crazy you can almost get for five, I think we found one two years ago, it's like 500 bucks you can get your own app on the OS store. We have the CloudFocus Weekly app. Yes, where you could then download the stuff. Although I just like just go use the other ones because they'll keep theirs up. So it's really interesting. I mean I'm you know, I want to know where

Justin Edelstein: This meets touch because to me touch is is the answer to a lot of the I want a better mobile experience so This to me is like here's all the tools to build an awesome mobile experience Well, aren't you aren't you building me an awesome mobile experience with touch?

Jason Atwood: That's the part that I can't quite get my head around. I could be showing data out of Salesforce, expanding it from Salesforce, but not as a logged in user. So think about, I wanted to expose, I mean, what do we have? Like I wanna make a project dashboard app, but it's not for logged in users, right? Touch is for logged in users. It's for building stuff that is. for Salesforce users. This could be building stuff that's using Salesforce data as the back-end, but exposing it. Think of it more like sites, but it's like mobile sites. Or, so making that easier. Plus, HTML5 has a ton,

Justin Edelstein: A ton of features in it that make it. Well, this isn't really about HTML5. This is about a lot more than HTML5. But it's based on HTML5. the whole platform is. Amongst many other frameworks, this particular version of the app development suite. There's a quote in here that talks about, we thought HTML5 was going to take over the mobile app dev, but we haven't seen that play out. what we want is a choice.

22:55 Jason Atwood: So we're going to give them choices. You remember reading that doc. There's a Salesforce doc on building a mobile platform, and it says, you have three different choices. You can go hybrid, HTML5, straight. You can go hybrid, or you can go native. And I think that's where, again, if you're looking at the mobile space, you're like, oh, man, this is difficult. And you would want something like touch. Let me build something on Salesforce using configuration. Thanks for watching! See you next time! Flip a switch to say, is is now touch enabled, and I have a mobile app.

Justin Edelstein: Right, now you can make visual force pages touch enabled. Right. So to me, that's kind of where it's at.

Jason Atwood: But I don't know. We'll see how this plays out. Are we looking to do our products in touch enabled? Yeah, we are.

Justin Edelstein: The permissioner, touch enabled. We are playing around with it. Nice.

Jason Atwood: I can't wait to see that. Yeah. That would be interesting. And then lastly, on our. Is it lastly? Are we at lastly or is it? We have lastly. Crazy. Wow.

Justin Edelstein: OK. Well, you're going to have to tell me about this, because I decided to ignore it. So Facebook had a big phone announcement. And from what I read about it, it was like Facebook. So you didn't ignore it. You've actually read it. b I read some headlines. It was like a headline. It was a headline read. I didn't dive in. Saw this. So it was like, oh, Facebook has big phone announcement, has something to do with Android. I'm like, I don't care, I don't have an Android phone.

Jason Atwood: Right. So what's the deal here? So I read a ton of reviews this morning,- because I guess the first set of reviews are out, like David Poe, TechCrunch,

Justin Edelstein: And Gadget. Oh, wow, and David Poe writes something. Yes, then we have to read it. Yeah, read it.

Jason Atwood: I actually read the- review the sum of all like 11 reviews like it was one big review that's all that's nice nice I like that. So here's what I got from reading about it. So I know what they announced two weeks ago which was they announced the Facebook phone it is a branded phone made by HTC I think. Okay that's a headset maker. Yep it is it has Pretty good. I think from the hardware specs. It's at four point something screen It's a phone but the touchscreen phone it's right and then what they did is they use Android as the core ah And then they built basically a UI kind of launcher Lock screen on top of it. So instead of having your normal Android phone lock screen slash UI slash launcher you now have the Facebook, I think they're going to Facebook home, right and From what I can tell again through the million views is that it is really about bringing Facebook Obviously bring Facebook posts pictures chats messages just all the way up front way up to the top it's like top like I don't have an address book I have Facebook so when you look at your when you look at your phone in a lock screen it's constantly showing you pictures from people's posting on their their your friends posting pictures you think the battery would just die so apparently as well you know it's like your lock screen whatever When you log in, it's you're on your thing.

25:58 Jason Atwood: Everything's done with icons of people, because it's telling you that these are your friends. Because it's all about,

Justin Edelstein: Like, when you think of a phone and core functionality, obviously it needs to be able to make phone calls. A couple. We're beyond that. Who calls on them? You need to. It still needs to make phone calls. It's still a phone. Yes. Yes. So beyond that, though, it needs to be able to have some sort of messaging. Yep. Oh, that reminds me. We missed a story here. What, iMessage being down for five hours? No, not iMessage being down for five hours, but... But it hasn't been bought, so it was a rumor. A rumor that Google was going to be buying WhatsApp. what's that when that happens we'll talk about it all right so so the way i think of this and i might be completely wrong is that facebook becomes the kind of like chrome is the operating system facebook is the operating system so i don't have an address book app i don't have contacts i don't have that on my phone i have my facebook friends I don't have instant messenger or Chat or text I have Facebook messages.

Justin Edelstein: I don't have email. I have Facebook mail or whatever the hell that is, right? Facebook they don't call Facebook whatever they call it. Yeah, I don't have You know the video chat or hangouts or or anything like that I have the Facebook video stuff. Do they even do that? I think they had a Skype. So everything is just a Facebook service and my news feed just kind of flows through the phone somehow.

Jason Atwood: Well yeah, I think it's a lot about the UI from what I've seen. Let's not talk about the actual specs of it because you want to go see videos of it. I don't care about the actual hardware specs of it. I care more about the software than what it's doing. But like... The concept, the concept that a social network is building a device. I don't even think of Facebook as a social network anymore. It reminds me of the ESPN phone. Do you remember the ESPN phone? I remember that for three weeks.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. I mean, they promo that for a long time. They were, they were... to their credit they were ahead of the game and they were too far ahead.

Jason Atwood: They were so ahead of the game that they got hit by the other players. Well they missed.

Justin Edelstein: Because really what they, what they, all they did was, and they probably benefited from it was put together the framework for what their mobile applications are today. Right. but they were just a little ahead. They were like, mobile's it, we're gonna make a phone, instead of mobile's it, we'll wait for an OS to come out that can support great applications. And this is where I don't,

Jason Atwood: This is my fear of Facebook and I feel,

Justin Edelstein: In some ways- Remember, they're doing this on Android, which is an open source.

Jason Atwood: Yeah,, it is an operating system. I understand but some of the limitations I've heard was that it takes over some It doesn't lie to do the stuff that's built into other Android devices Because I've taken it out like I think like widgets and things like that that people really like anyway but I'm more kind of interested in sort of the If I mean again if I were a huge Facebook user Fine, then this I guess would be just absolutely just totally integrated But I worried from a, you know, with the onset of these devices and these social networks, I want, I personally want much more of a, I want the smory sport, I want the Chinese menu, I want, I want to have all that stuff if I want it, but I don't want to have a phone that's like, this is the Facebook phone, I want...

29:36 Jason Atwood: Phone and thing and then I want integration with Facebook. I mean all the stuff that iOS has been doing Yeah, even man, I want a Facebook app I

Justin Edelstein: Want to be good I want to be able to post to Facebook from wherever on the phone So I want to be logged into it right right and that's good enough for me. I'm not a huge Facebook Person I I like Twitter more than I like Facebook I would never have the Facebook phone. I feel like I don't feel like Facebook invades. I don't think of someone who really like it. Yeah, right. I, I don't feel like Facebook invades my privacy, but I know that there are people that do. And then to think about a phone that is just a Facebook phone that is like a supreme, a supreme invasion of like, this is my phone, like people calling me. Everything's, everything is now yours. And I know that, you know, people, Apple haters will say the same thing about like an iPhone, right, like they log everything or, you know, everything that you send over iMessage is logged, everything that you do, everything that you go on the, you know, every hit you do on the mobile safari, everything's captured.

Justin Edelstein: I mean... I'm okay with that. Well... Because I know them more as a hardware slash software provider as opposed to Facebook which is a website. Well,

Jason Atwood: That's why I'm happy to have... I'm actually excited to see that Apple getting out. Like when Apple killed off Ping, I was like, good. You shouldn't be in pain. Don't be doing your own network. Just integrate with others. If I'm in iTunes, I wanna tweet or Facebook something, that's good. And eventually when I'm on a map and I wanna put a four square, fine. You wanna pull in Google Local. Like I, as a consumer, I want choices and I don't really want my hardware and phone to have already made its choice about what social network I should use. What social network should you use? I guess I'm using Facebook because...

Justin Edelstein: That's the phone I have. Well that's your choice. I mean you know you're using Facebook if you're buying the Facebook phone. You're not a moron. You're not gonna buy the Facebook phone and then be a be like, I hate Facebook. And that's just, that's, that's just silly. That might be funny. Well it's like, oh I didn't know, it just looked cool, it was blue. Right?

Jason Atwood: Why can't I get the Google Plus?

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, why can't, I tweet something? You can't.

Jason Atwood: That's, I guess, my thing is like I want more choices. I want to be able to play around on other things. I want to be able to choose at the OS level what you, what social networking and what integration those things have and be able to turn them on or off if need be. Bye!

32:38 Justin Edelstein: Not that I think everything's sounding great in what they did with Twitter with Foursquare. It's coming. Yeah, I want that. But Apple is very slow to do that. I want to be able to check in through the iOS, through the top.

Jason Atwood: But they're very slow to do that because they don't want to get in bed with someone who then disappears. Yeah, they're careful about it. Or gets bought by Microsoft or whatever. They want to make sure that they're not. Anyway, that's the Facebook phone. Let's get some pics. Alright, I'm gonna play, I just picked the blue snowball on Facebook phone. The blue snowflake. Let us know how this sounds. If it sounds horrible, well then you're only gonna hear it twice a year anyway.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, not often. But these will likely be with us at Dreamforce. Yes, they probably will be. So if you visit us, you'll see these instead of the... Yeah, I'm never traveling with those again. No, it's a nightmare. a fairly expensive one by many people's standards. So I love headphones. Oh, this is what these are. As good as you can get headphones for a while and I've had I've now had four pairs of what I would consider Higher and then like the headphone that comes with the device headphones I've never been able to wear the Apple earbuds ever

Jason Atwood: Funny because the new Apple earbuds I can't wear those either love them can't wear they hurt my

Justin Edelstein: Ears the original Apple earbuds the new ones I can't wear them they hurt my ears so ever since I got an iPod way back in the day I said I got to get different headphones for this. So I started with the Shure EC2s. Those were expensive. I then moved on to buy the Apple in-ear headphones, which were not quite as expensive, but they broke a couple times. I then moved on to the Bose in-ear headphones. And I am now on to the best headphones that I've actually ever had. Drop a beat on me. They are the Beats tour by Beats by Dre. They're the in-ear Beats by Dre headphones. I got? Got the white ones. Yes, so come in black and red. Yes, but I got the white ones to match my white iPhone They're 149 bucks.

35:42 Justin Edelstein: Don't let me question. Do they have mic? Of course, I would not have bought them That's true and full controls full control So I'm pointing to my chest. Full control. Double click, triple click, Siri,

Jason Atwood: The whole, the whole night. And they're the in-ear like the one with the rubber that kind of locks it off. Totally in-ear with the rubber that locks it off. But they don't have active noise cancellation. They do not.

Justin Edelstein: They have passive. It's, it's the noise cancellation is all controlled by the fact that they go in the ear and the suction kind of blocks it. They're better than the Bose ones. The Bose ones, because those didn't go like fully in-ear. They're like the apple ones. The way the apple ones go in your ear. The new ones. the older ones. The rubber thing around them.

Jason Atwood: But the thing I hated about all those were those rubber things because because, I would constantly come off. These haven't been a problem. They're very tight.

Justin Edelstein: And it came with like six or eight replacement for them. and different I love them, they sound great. They work great. They work really good. The controls work great. the.. I think is actually their best quality is the cord. The cord is flat. Right. It is a, it cannot tangle. And the bows ones that I've had previously and the apple ones that I've had previously were not flat. They were round and they would tangle and fray. Right. They would fray at the edges. And that's what eventually broke them and the little controller I I I I I I the to the to the to the press the button down and told Siri to call the person. Nice. Siri called them. That's my main use for Siri in the car. I say, get me home, and I say, call this person.

Justin Edelstein: Beats Tour, $149. $149, I spend money on headphones because I think it's worth it. Well, I'm gonna go- They usually last for me for about two years, and then I'm on to the next ones. So I'm gonna go reverse go reverse reverse it on me. Hey, why don't you why don't you go backwards? Do it. What do you got you got a bag? I have a bag of my jam box in there Oh, but wait for a break that, but that before I understand I'm doing a tour of pit.

38:54 Jason Atwood: So I have picked the Jam box and, Because I want something in the box something that's small like the Jambox but has the sound of things So I read this review the other day. That's like they reviewed everyone I've been looking at the Jambox big the big box boom. Oh, yeah, the bigger Jambox I'm like I want bigger richer sound and I don't want to like the Jambox isn't doing it I'm like, this is a bigger so I'm like, yeah, you know, so I read about it But then I read this big review.

Justin Edelstein: So what do you got? What do you got for me? It's not even open! It's in the box! No, I've actually had it out. I brought the box just to show you. Logitech.

Jason Atwood: So, it is the Logitech UE Mobile Bomb Box. Okay.

Justin Edelstein: Alright, so. I've got questions. Hold on, hold on. So here's the thing, I've got so many questions.

Jason Atwood: So, like one. Like one. Well, I'm gonna tell you, let me just talk, and then I can tell you, and then the you won't have so many questions. Yeah, well I'm trying to fill the time as you open the box. It's not that big. Here's what I like about it. The reviews were great on it. Basically they said it was the best one of the bunch. So, let me give you some pricing. Jambox 189. No kidding. Boom box the new the big box is 249. Okay. This, this is I think 180 something. All right So I was looking I was like, I don't know if I want to buy it $250 or whatever. So I was like I looked around this one has this one has a couple features and what first of all It's small.

Jason Atwood: It's it's like kind of like half the size. It's a little bit thicker But yeah, it's small but you could pack that light.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, it's like oh, it's lighter than both Yeah, it's smaller than both

41:54 Jason Atwood: And it has an off it has ability to go in auxiliary. Yeah Bluetooth of course It has and one of the Do that the the shockbox doesn't do but the Jambox does is the speaker phone that you can connect So it does do the speaker? It does do the speakerphone. And it really sounds great and is louder than both. Really? Yeah. Now what is this so called? This is called the Logitech UE Mobile BumBox.

Justin Edelstein: Logitech UE Mobile BumBox. BumBox.

Jason Atwood: Can do speakerphone, can do two devices, this is one of the big things I talk about, is you can have two people paired with it at a time, and you can swap music back and forth. So you can play music. And then I can, so with your iPad and your iPhone, both be connected, you listen to your iPhone, you listen to your iPad music, someone calls you, the iPhone takes over, and you can then use it as a speakerphone. I'm sending this to somebody, because somebody,

Justin Edelstein: I'm literally emailing them right now. Somebody said to me, hey, what's that speaker that you brought? We went on vacation or on a bachelor. I shouldn't say vacation, it was a bachelor party. And I brought the Jambox with me to have in the room, right? Like for pre-gaming and whatever. And everyone was like, oh, that's so awesome because, you know, anybody compared to it and just play their music and it was really good. And it was really nice sounding. And he was like, what was that thing? Because I need new speakers for my computer. And I want something that's wireless and cordless and whatever. And that one sounded really cool. It's small. Oh, you're playing music. Where's your Katy Perry? So I guess. Come on, play your Katy Perry. There you go. Everyone will learn Jason's musical style.

Jason Atwood: I'm, not like Jason. Katy Perry. But! Britney Spears. Go for it. What I will say is very, it's nice and loud, has a great battery life apparently, good enough to pack so you can throw this in the... They're all good enough to pack in fairness.

Justin Edelstein: Like the Jambox, you have no problem packing. I've brought it with me, many a place. What are you doing here? I'm trying to get into it. But it works, it does work for the conference calls. Here we go.

Jason Atwood: But it works for the conference calls. It does all that and... and so I think... I hope this is appropriate.

Justin Edelstein: I'm just gonna play rap music on the Arctis Cloud Computing podcast. Alright, probably not. CloudFocus Weekly goes gangster? What big buttons.

Jason Atwood: And has this base thing in the back. It's great.

Justin Edelstein: And here's the thing. It's like a little mini sub built in.

Jason Atwood: 99 bucks. 84 bucks. On Amazon. So literally half the cost.

Justin Edelstein: Can I put it down this way? And it's rubberized so you can, you know... Only you would have three of these things.

45:03 Jason Atwood: I have a lot of phone... I have more phones in my... I have more phones in my... Or more Bluetooth devices. So anyway, this is my pick of the week. I actually have another one, but I just got it today. Not a speakerphone, but another very cool technology thing that I'm looking to... I'm testing in my apartment today. And I will probably pick it next week.

Justin Edelstein: Anyway, I'm looking forward to that. So,

Jason Atwood: 84 bucks, not bad. Like, a really nice little device, good sound, good whatever. It does the pairing, does dual pairing to two at the time. Really great. I now have three different USB speakers.

Justin Edelstein: And it's kinda crazy- By the way, if.. As we wrap up, we talked about the MVPs if you want. One of my last tweets, So, at Edelstein, you can go check out, I tweeted the link for the most recent MVP announcement and they made the page really nice. so you can Follow all the salesforce MVPs by clicking a button if you're logged into Twitter you just start clicking the buttons to follow everybody makes it really nice and easy and I would suggest I mean these are these are people if you're interested in sales You should be following on Twitter because that's what we're talking about All

Jason Atwood: Right, let's act this up look another 46 minutes on our short podcast Remember We'll be back next week with our blue, we'd like to hear how they sound. Our blue snowflakes. Until then, as we always say, enjoy those cloudy days.