Stack Rank Nirvana - Episode #124 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 124th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the first week of February 2013. This episode is titled Stack Rank Nirvana. I'm your host Jason Atwood, joining me for the co-host, the first time in February. Should I drop my chair?

Guest: It's Justin Alton.. how are you doing? I'm doing great.

Jason Atwood: Why did you decide to drop your chair at that very, very moment? Because I was too high up and the mic is low and I was high. so I wanted to get my my face close to the mic. That's a So speaking of good ideas, we have an agenda. Today we're going to be talking about the blog post of the week which is to quit five things written by yours truly. We also have some news about some Quora slash Yelp combo mash called vendor stack which I spent some time playing with this afternoon. Secrets of working remotely from Salesforce. Some interesting, maybe we'll share our secrets because we work remotely a lot. And then the world spins around and around and more and more integration companies get bought up.

Guest: And we'll talk about that. And then we'll make our cloud folks at picks of the week.

Jason Atwood: Oh, I saw this one. Sorry, I went down and looked at yours, which is why you shouldn't put yours in either, because then I look at it and I go, oh. So. Did you try it? I have not. It's fun. Yeah, so let's start with the blog post. This week's blog post brought to you by my brain. By you. Called Quit Five Things, Revolutionary Resolutions. And this started, I think I, this started from something I've been practicing for, since I think 2007, based on Seth Godin's book The Dip, which is, which in a nutshell is about how to excel at stuff and his, the whole concept comes down to Thanks for watching! If you want to be the best in the world, and that terminology really means not the best in the world, but the best real estate agent in Upper West Side or the best froyo in Kansas City, froyo restaurant in Kansas City, you need to learn how to push through the right stuff and how to give up the other stuff.

Jason Atwood: So I read this book three, I think two or three years ago. Maybe more, maybe, I guess more if I've been doing it for so long. And one of the things I took from it was that you should take things in your life that sort of build up over the year, or years, called cruft. And cruft is a programming term that means like the extra code that's in there that doesn't do anything anymore. And there's things in your life, you take on little things that you do. And you start to do them and they start to do over and over again. than you like. And eventually you look back and you're like, why do I still do this? Like, why do I still do this? And so I use a thing called Quit Five Things.

Jason Atwood: I do it every year. And I base a list of five things. These aren't like quitting smoking or quitting that type of thing. It's quitting things in your life that take up your time, that take up your mental space. Peace. that take up, you know, sort of your ability to put effort into other things. And so I kind of make a list every year and I then spend the year trying to quit them. And again, it's more of like giving up, not habits, but like practices or giving up hobbies almost. So some of them are hobbies. I'm going to give up the New York Jets.

03:41 Justin Edelstein: You're going to give up the New York Jets? They take up a lot of time and they are very depressing.

Jason Atwood: You know, it's funny because that actually is on my, it's on one of the things that... I enjoy and so when I've given up other things I always think that allows me more time to put in the things that I enjoy So I'm gonna quit getting my oil changed now see how that works still not still not things So I give us some examples so I used to be a big home brewer

Justin Edelstein: Actually, I think used to be home brewer to used to be being the key Although I still have all the equipment and I have brewed a beer as recently as this last 12 months. 12 months.

Jason Atwood: That'll probably be over very quickly because you probably can go right over the time to debrute it. Like in March last year? Yeah, something like that. I'm trying to think because I haven't heard of you.

Justin Edelstein: Anyway, so I still have a few if you want one.

Guest: I still have a few too, if you're in my fridge. Oh, thanks.

Jason Atwood: So I used to be a brewer and when I was single and my buddies come over and we brew beer and it was all this fun stuff And then I put all the equipment You know had in my closet and every time every month or every time I'd open up my pantry I would see this equipment. I'd go oh, and I gotta get back to brewing. I got a brew I got a brew some brewing. I can't wait to get back and then you know I got a girlfriend and she moved in and then I got You know, then we got married and then we had a kid and I keep staring at this stuff going, oh, I got a bro. Yeah. Every time I go to the closet, so I was taking it mental space.

Jason Atwood: Like my mind was kind of not all the time thinking about it, but enough that I was kind of, you know, thinking about it, taking it mental space. So I put this on my list one year and I did it. I got rid of the equipment. I got rid of all the stuff. And I said, you gave me some equipment. Yeah, that's right. I gave all the equipment to you. I said that all of it, some of it. I'm moving this stuff out of my mental space. I'm getting it out. So I have quit things like, I have used to have 15 different websites that I coasters. You know, like you do things in college where you start collecting coasters or shot glasses. And then you realize after like 10 years, like why, am I still collecting shot glasses?

Jason Atwood: I'm still collecting absolute ads. There you go. Yes, so it is my life. Yeah, and so, but sometimes you leave around the cruft of that stuff, like still sitting in a big pile and it calls to you saying, why don't you collect this anymore? Come on, why don't you sort me? Why don't you turn me into frames? Why don't you put me on the wall? all You and you have to go, am I gonna do anything with this or am I gonna just get rid of it and quit it? So that's the Quitify thing. Go read it on blog.arcasync.com. Do it.

Guest: Quit. You quit a bunch of stuff. Don't quit CloudFocus Weekly now.

Jason Atwood: Hey, one of the years it was Google Reader feeds. I had to go in and pare down. I had... hundreds and hundreds of feeds and I went one year and I spent get it down to something that's manageable because every single log in there's like literally the last time I looked at

Justin Edelstein: My Google reader it must have been a year and a half ago I don't use it at all I still use it never so use

Guest: It cuz I like it for certain topics it's very good I just follow Facebook pages and Twitter feeds.

06:46 Jason Atwood: Still not as good as Google. But all right, so I will say as a side note, I've become a big fan of Seth Godin. Godin, I don't even know how to pronounce his name. He has written a bunch of books.

Guest: In fact, I'm just starting a new book of his.

Jason Atwood: But if you're interested, if you're an entrepreneur in the entrepreneurial world, talking to you, CC, go listen to his podcast series called Startup School. It's a series of eight or no 13 different podcasts about 25 minutes, each taken from a three-day seminar he held. It's only it's like it's not gonna grow anymore. Really really good. In fact one of them is called the dip. So if you want to get like a little him doing a 30 minute on his book without having to read the book. Although the book audio is only like an hour and a half. So it's not that much more. So anyway, great stuff. Give it a shot. I didn't ask you what you thought. You're kind of giving me blank face.

Justin Edelstein: What I thought of quitting five things. Yeah, my blog post. I like the blog post. I don't know if I'm gonna do it or not. Quit reading the blog. It would actually take me time to think of the five things that I want to quit. Yeah. So it would like... take me some time and I don't know if... You don't have the time to think about things. I don't have time to think about things I want to quit. So what I did is at the end I

Jason Atwood: Said how I do it and I basically have an Evernote thing and I don't do it all at once, I just think throughout the year. So I'll be doing something and I'll be around my house and I'll have a collection of something and I'll go like, match books. Like I used to have hundreds of match books from all these bars. It's like one place, like why do I do this? Why do I collect match books? Like stop. You're not in college anymore. Get ready to match books and move on and put your time and effort to something else. Alright. Speaking of time and effort. Next up is vendor stack. So this is a blog post that sort of a off on the tangent for us. But this is on TechCrunch yesterday. It's called vendor stack launches, a service like Yelp and Quora.

Jason Atwood: Any time you say Yelp and Quora are the same to me, I'm like, ooh, I'm interested. But for enterprise vendors, and so you say, what is this? Well, I went and played with it today, and it basically is a way for you to act to... As an organization and as a vendor, you can go say what you use and who uses what vendor. So you can look at a company and see what vendors they use and then ask questions about it and or rank them or rate them. So as Arkus, I'm like, well, we better be in there because we are a vendor and people might use us and I want to make sure that our information is correct, so I added us in there. So vendorstack.com slash companies slash Arkus.

Guest: There you go.

Jason Atwood: Claiming that namespace, and then I went and I looked for Salesforce. And you can see on the Salesforce page, like what companies use Salesforce, as well as what people have asked about Salesforce. So it's kind of like, it's again, that's question and answer collection, and then sort of the Yelp of I'm rating restaurants, but it's for enterprise software. I love how new this is. It's like...

09:48 Justin Edelstein: Salesforce CRM there's 28 companies use it and we're like in the first page of course we are awesome I like that we're in here I'm not really sure I like our profile like there's no reviews or anything so anyone listening

Jason Atwood: Go in there and review us review well And I would say this is, you know, we are on a lot of places. We put more of our time and attention into the places that people who are looking for our services look like AppExchange, where we, you know, pay attention to that. But I think it was interesting. So it was an interesting kind of take on, you know, I'm sure it's some startup company that we bought by somebody, but an interesting take on finding out what other people are using in terms of enterprise software and then being able to ask questions of it. So I can see this is clearly just the beginning. But eventually you could see them people really kind of getting in and asking questions about hey Well, what is that and you know, is it good or not?

Jason Atwood: And also might just become a place for spam who knows I think it's gonna be a little from column

Justin Edelstein: A and a little from column B I mean it's gonna be some companies in there

Jason Atwood: Pimping their stuff I think what's interesting in their wares is that it does the it does when you like you land on salesforce.com Salesforce CRM and it says two reviews. Okay, so this is new How many you who uses it so you can click on and see other companies that are using it? All right That's kind of interesting questions that are being asked about it But again, if you were going to look for Salesforce and see what companies use you to go down and say, show me companies that are my size, 200 to 500, who are using Salesforce, and then you could maybe ask questions of them, or see if they reviewed it, as well as see other, like there's a similar vendors, so it's kind of showing you, oh, if you're looking at Salesforce, are you also looking at Zoho, Genius, Radiast, or whatever?

Jason Atwood: So kind of giving you a little bit of comparison to other things you might want to be looking at. Article had said it was gonna do some scraping stuff.

Justin Edelstein: To pull in people who use like Salesforce, so I imagine they try and scrape their client profile pages maybe? Maybe. If the company exists then pop them in there. Yeah, it's interesting. It's new so I imagine it has to get populated with all sorts of companies.

Jason Atwood: It is. So, anyway, check it out, venderstack.com. Kind of interesting little take on... Mmm, sort of interesting. Speaking of sort of interesting things, Justin is at the top of his game right now, baby. Oh, man, I'm at the bottom. He is rocking it. The bottom of the barrel. It is a late one. 124 is gonna go down as the greatest.

Justin Edelstein: Justin Edelstein podcast ever. Can't wait for 1,234.

Jason Atwood: That's right. So next up is actually, we don't talk about Sales very often, and this one piqued my interest, which is called How To Be Great Remote which is the biggest issue.

12:57 Justin Edelstein: It's going to be issue. as I a..

Jason Atwood: While they live five minutes away come in

Justin Edelstein: You know once a once a a other people at their a a, but working remotely.

Jason Atwood: You do actually probably in their orgs and use chatter as a way to communicate with them

Justin Edelstein: Just regarding anything that this is saying I think there's some very good points like the first one talks about the phone skills I think that's part of this blog post yeah I think one of the best things is the third bullet the I identify yourself yeah I always make it happen before you know there's a long conversation going on on the phone and or 12 minutes or 20 minutes. And you ask yourself why you're on the call. You're asking yourself why you're on the call, but then you want to say something. This is Justin. And then you say, hey, this is Justin. And then you say it so that people know who it is. Because oftentimes, you'd be on a call with like 10 people, and people will just start talking and you have no idea who they are.

Justin Edelstein: And that doesn't help. And if nine people are sitting in a conference room and you're sitting on the phone. and they're just talking, you don't know who they are. So it really helps to identify yourself on the phone. I think that's actually the best tip in this entire blog post.

Guest: I think the thing that they don't talk about is really,

Jason Atwood: I find is when I'm on, and I do tons and tons of conversation calls all the time with people all over the country, and again, have had clients that I, I've worked with for over a year and a half without even meeting them. I hope you enjoy this video. Thank you for watching. And I'll see you next time. successfully. I really think that you know way to build relationship is not to treat every you know is to treat conference calls kind of like meetings or kind of like person-to-person meetings which is I feel like people get on conference calls and they kind of lose their humor and lose their personality and so I like to bring my personality and who I am and what I'm doing and humor into the conversation. So it's more like having the person in the room.

16:28 Jason Atwood: When you meet somebody you're standing around, you know, and before a com... You know, you do the chit chat. Okay, weather, whatever. But if you know the person, you know, ask about the weekend. How's it going? You know, when they ask you, don't just say it was fine. I give details. I'll say, oh yeah,

Guest: Well I did this or, you know...

Justin Edelstein: The kid and I went out sledding or you know my dog was you know crazy or you where I didn't think it was me. It was the person who I live with.

Jason Atwood: Hm. Do you think you refer, refer to her as the little lady at some time? Yeah, well I didn't want to throw her under the box. I think you referred to her as something different today. I didn't want to throw her under the box.

Justin Edelstein: Keep that off the air, yeah. But she very nicely, ran the dishwasher. Because she was like, oh. It's time to run the dishwasher dishes are dirty and then she left for the day But I'm sitting there working from home like literally just about to get on a call Ten to fifteen feet from the dishwasher. Yeah, and it's like again the call and someone's like is someone doing dishes dishes or Construction or something and I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry You know how to stop it I didn't care to. I was in the middle of washing the dishes.

Jason Atwood: Really that's embarassed. That's worse.

Justin Edelstein: Well, I was on mute. And then when I had to talk, I came off mute. And then I'm very that's another another thing like being polite about, you know, muting myself or whatever, especially if you're not the main person.

Jason Atwood: I would say if you are going to work from a remote place, you know, having a place to work, you should not be working from a place that is full of noise or other people. I mean, I have I have a den at home, I close my door. You know, if I know people are gonna come into the house, I'll even take the dog and move him out of the den. Cause he'll, when someone else comes in the house, he wants to go see them. And so he'll be at the door, if he's chapped in the den with me, he'll be pissed. And he'll be like at the door going, blah blah blah blah. So,

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. I've seen that. I've been on the other end of the door,

Jason Atwood: Being the person that he wants to see. That he wants to talk to. But again, I think it's. It's definitely always be early if you're the person who owns the meeting, right? Because it's people's time. So we try to say if you know if it's an 11 o'clock meeting and you're the one who's starting it you should be on by 1150 or 1055 so people can do it. Back to back. Yeah, back to back. You got it. You know what another talent is? Learning how to end a meeting. Learning how to get out of a meeting when it's... There's 10 minutes left. I have a hard stop. I have this hard stop in five. Right. Because I got to get on another meeting. That's the line. Right. It's not, I've got to get off in ten or at 1201 I got to get off.

19:36 Jason Atwood: It's in five minutes I got to go because I got to stop, capture my notes, start up new notes for this next one, dial in and know that you can dial in too. So it's like, if you've never dialed into that system before. Give it a couple of minutes

Guest: In advance because sometimes it's like it's a bad system. It's a new screen sharing,

Justin Edelstein: Like you don't go into the Adobe one and it needs to download something or whatever.

Jason Atwood: Alright and then last up in our stories is actually a little news about some acquisitions from a company that we actually work with more than a few times. Actian. Actian? Actin Corp not the company that we've worked with no, but is going to acquire pervasive software so this is a pervasive is one of the

Justin Edelstein: Integration strange to me as a former person who worked in finance a privately held Company is purchasing a publicly held company. It happens all the time. It's just a little weird I guess. They're a big data management company. Big data. That's what I think of when I say big data. Big data. Big data.

Jason Atwood: So they're backed by Private Equity, Garnet, and HealthFetch Capital. Builds apps for big data management through the cloud development platform. Also owns its... own databases that help analyze big data faster. So, I mean, this makes sense. I mean, a pervasive has been moving into, or as any data vendor now, it's like, well, it's like anything, you have to get into big data. But interesting along the lines of all the ones we've seen snatched up, including boomy. Cast iron, boomy. Cast iron, and now pervasive. The only ones out there now are Jirbit and, and that. We talk about a lot.

Justin Edelstein: Jitter bed, talent, informatica. And, Abinishu, did they get by someone?

Jason Atwood: Don't know. Don't care about them very often. They came up on a call the other day and I was like, really? That's been a while. Who asked about them? Someone who worked at one of the companies that we used to work at. Oh, he asked about Abinishu. The only person that ever used Abinishu, yeah. Yeah. I don't even see them at the Dream Forest.

Justin Edelstein: No, I was going through... If you were gonna have an issue, you gotta tell us you're still alive. It's funny, I was going through my desk drawers here, trying to like throw some stuff out, and I found... Quitting Five Things? No. I found a stack of business cards, like a legit... Big time stack of them. Yes, and one of them was an ab initio card yeah, it was actually really nice It was like a thick card stocks. I was like thinking about like I was like Patrick Bateman I was looking at a card and I'm like that's a nice card Yeah, they think of the card the fast they went out of business.

Jason Atwood: That's what I say best podcast ever alright anything else to say about pervasive being acquired I mean I don't think it will

Justin Edelstein: Change much in terms of pervasive's actual offering it is interesting that I think you were going down this path that they were bought by a big data company and not a like a hardware vendor or someone trying to make their way into cloud computing right and needed an integration tool to fill a gap in their cloud integration and IBM with cast iron same Same deal. This one's a little bit different, but I guess Pervasive had a little bit more of a focus on Big Data. So, maybe that was all marketing spin when they knew they were being courted by a Big Data company.

23:21 Jason Atwood: It was like, oh, we're in Big Data. I mean, as a company that we work with, more often than not, it's interesting that you always wonder, Oh, is that gonna change what they do? Is that gonna change their product strategy? Are they gonna?

Guest: Be better at something or worse at something, so there's always that kind of worry, but

Jason Atwood: You know, it seems like this is just a straight up, listen, they're gonna stay what they are, they're gonna stay where they are, but they're going to be a part of this overall strategy. And as we always say,

Guest: Nothing's gonna happen this year. It'll be two years, three years. Oh, yeah. Side note, actually, talking about I'm gonna do a little rat hole.

Jason Atwood: So I've been trying to evaluate work.com. Oh yeah.

Justin Edelstein: Didn't you send me something today?

Guest: Yeah, because I got my trial reenacted. What did you do to me? You did something. I gave you a star or something. You thanked me. But this is not part of the story. Oh.

Jason Atwood: The story is that Hashtag Arkus. Just like Radiance 6 and our troubles and triolite, troubles and tribulations questions. I'm gonna put this out into the universe. Almost tweeted it, but I felt like maybe I shouldn't tweet it. So I better just say it on the podcast. Because I can say more than 140 characters. More people listen to this? I don't know. I don't see your tweets, I think. Yeah, probably. I will say. It's actually a true state. Here's the main thing, sells for us. When you buy a company,

Guest: Please. Before you turn into a big marketing mix,

Jason Atwood: Before you do logos and come up with slide decks and rebrands, think about how that company actually works within your ecosystem of your company. For example, I went to try to get into a trial to sign up for Work.com to try a trial. I signed up, said, send me my password, and it didn't. I went back the next day and I went, what happened? So I tried to go in and I logged in, remembering that I had a trial from before. It says, your trial has expired. I'm like, oh, that's a bummer. So I email off. Can I please get my trial extended another 14 days? Because you guys have new products now, right? You've now integrated with Salesforce. I get it back, no we don't extend trials.

Guest: It's like, okay, so I can't access this thing.

Jason Atwood: I can't see this new feature you have and you don't extend trials. And then the person said, well actually we don't even, you can't even try it. You have to purchase it in order to see the feature.

Guest: That doesn't seem like a good thing either. because you thanked me for something. Yeah, well I'm by foot a little bit on the ground, and saying this

Jason Atwood: Is not the way I expect to be treated as a Salesforce partner. I got a ticket to open it up which took two seconds. But again, it's like don't have an offering that you can't show the product or try it. It's like again, it feels, oh and the emails were all from at ripple.com, and I'm like you're not really part of Salesforce. You're just this side pseudo company. and you haven't been integrated. And so it just makes me, yeah, just what you're doing, shaking your head and going, you know. Just shaking my head. This was not six months ago or wasn't last month. This is over a year ago they bought Ripple, right? at least?

26:40 Justin Edelstein: Yeah about a year ago. How long was it? No, actually I can tell you it's more than a year ago cause the day that they bought it or the day before they bought it. you and I We're talking about it at that moment. So it's more than, it's a year and two months? Here's the point.

Jason Atwood: I just wish that they would spend a little bit more time. It doesn't' take a lot to change people's email addresses, to get them incorporated, to get the partner program, so it's a little bit better. Like the same stuff we saw with Radian 6. It's this totally separate company, it has nothing to do with Salesforce because anybody who can talk to, I'll tell you my inner actions with people with data.com. Thanks for watching! Same thing. They act differently. They have a different sales cycle. They don't act like Salesforce people in Salesforce AEs. You cannot get the trials and stuff like that.

Guest: They do not give you the same access.

Justin Edelstein: All these companies were... I don't really think of Ripple and Do.com as real companies.

Jason Atwood: It integrates with Salesforce as something they put up on the main stage. It's a real company.

Justin Edelstein: No, no, no, no. Before they bought them. Oh, okay. Ripple do, I think of them as like little, you know, HTML5 Google App Engine applications that were interesting to Salesforce because of the technology mix that they used to build them and some of the things that they were doing. Data.com was a real- real deal. That was Jigsaw. That was a real company. That was a real product. had already integrated with Salesforce, had booths on the expo floor for years, right? That was a real deal company. So I think the people at Ripple and that to come like what no well I think they might agree sorry to say I mean they had these you know do dot com was just like a was like a spreadsheet on steroids on on Google Docs okay or on Google Apps whatever But I feel like Jigsaw, that's moving like a company with a culture and a product in.

Justin Edelstein: I feel like that should be easier, just for some reason. A smaller company should be easier or a bigger company should be easier? I feel like... the more established product like Jigsaw would be easier to move into the Salesforce ecosystem for some reason. I feel like... Really, because they're not... Because they're... I feel like Do and Ripple aren't accustomed to or used to being big time.

Jason Atwood: Whereas Jigsaw, I feel, was already there. Then you sweep in, you give everybody new email addresses, you give the salespeople a week of training. By the way, is the salesperson

29:44 Justin Edelstein: That you're going back and forth with, was it at salesforce.com or was it at work.com email, address? It was at salesforce.com that when they were applied, it was at Ripple. Oh, that's weird. Yeah.

Guest: That's a little odd. It's not right.

Jason Atwood: Like it just makes it feel. No, that isn't right. And from a client perspective, it feels very separate, right?

Guest: So your Salesforce, your salesforcework.com, right?

Jason Atwood: But nothing works and feels like what Salesforce does, which is I can see products, I can have a trial, I can get my trial extended very easily.

Guest: I can look at stuff, I can try everything out, I can play with things,

Jason Atwood: I get full access so I can evaluate something before I want to buy it. This was like, put down your credit card and buy it, and then if you don't like it, well then you're stuck for a year of this product. Like, really? I said, I would put down my credit card and pay, pay the whatever per person per month for a month just to try it. Fine, I'll pilot it for a month. You can't buy it for a month.

Justin Edelstein: Can't buy it for a month.

Guest: Gotta give them a whole year. So it's like, yeah, that's not the way it should be. So anyway,

Jason Atwood: That's my rat hole, and I'm out.

Justin Edelstein: What's your pick of the week? Oh, alright, perfect picks. I'm always interested when Evernote does something new or different or interesting.

Jason Atwood: I think half of your picks last year were companies that Evernote picked. that I've ever known. So,

Justin Edelstein: I've tried a few of these, and this is going to be the newest one that I've tried, and I've tried it already, it's kind of neat. It's called Pen Ultimate, they bought them. It's a handwriting application for the iPad. It's like a note-taking app. but you draw or write and I've recently gotten some pens that have like the little nubbins. Nub on the end of it to make it a little easier to write and draw and things. And it's you log in with your Evernote account. and it's then boom automatically integrated. So any note that you start taking, it's not a note, it's actually like a notebook. So you create notebooks. Yeah, kind of like paper. And then, kind of like that. And then you have different pages in the notebook. Not me, paper the app, not paper.

Justin Edelstein: No, you're talking about. And then you have different pages of. You know, it's kind of like grid paper. And you can draw on it using different colors. You can erase, da da da da da. That's what I used to do, that's cool. Cut and paste. Well, it's integrated into Evernote. So that's kind of the cool, part. It doesn't do like handwrite recognition,

Guest: Turn it into something. No, it totally does. You could search through it.

Jason Atwood: No, but I mean if I write dog dog, well turn it into dog? What? What about OCR it?

32:50 Justin Edelstein: If I write the word, I just took it out, I just took my phone out just to look, I don't know where it is at this point. but I can show you one of my cool notes. Then I was playing around with it, I was watching something, I was like, I'm just gonna test this. So I was watching like a nick game or something and I was just jotting down little notes about my thoughts on... what the next should do on the next you do nice yes it is the world I mean I don't want to put into production mode now I wanna make sure work first I'm taking notes on Nick game I have a drawing little pictures you know I'm taking drawing class I was drawing things using as drying cylinders and you have

Jason Atwood: To try art studio which is like The best.

Justin Edelstein: Well I've tried other one of these like Adobe ideas which I didn't really like.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, so there's a kind of a difference There's some things that are like there's like three different apps in this space. There's like note-taking apps is kind of like just jot down anything then there there's like capturing like physical things like Omnigraffal like I want to build diagrams and stuff Then there's like drawing apps where I have shades and layers and I get really into that. Yeah, this is somewhere. This is definitely more of a take notes.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. With the ability to draw things. Right. Okay. Because it has colors and drawing. It doesn't have like all the complicated layers and shadings and all that other stuff but it does have the ability to Draw things inside the notes.

Guest: I must say I have tried a hundred of these It was more of a trial thing and free is good.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, it's free. So I'm giving I'm just letting the cat out of the bag It's there Try it if you like it you like it if you don't you don't I I don't know Yeah, I'm still in the I'm still in beta mode here. Oh, okay Maybe alpha I think we have to shut you down off this one. I'm at point Point zero one. This is the greatest podcast ever.

Guest: I'm gonna play this back to you next week You look so tired of it. Yeah, all right really long day great I'm just gonna keep complaining

Justin Edelstein: To the audience I'll just I'll just take you off people like like when you complain to them no I don't want to hear like like

Jason Atwood: Furry face McGee over here is complaining about stuff. That's right. That's what they want to hear

Guest: All right, well penultimate, Evernote, free, Evernote, iPad only. iPad only, do it, do it, do it now. All right, you can see them on the iPhone. So I have a little pick, a tiny little pick, something I grabbed the other day.

Jason Atwood: I think I picked an iPhone app the other day that allows you to... Yeah, I did. The one, Analytics. Remember that one that you could see analytics of your pages and stuff?

Guest: You remember that one? Anyway, I picked that like... Oh yeah, like the Google Analytics Quick Snapshot thing. So this one's called Static.

35:50 Jason Atwood: This one's 99 cents. Again, anything that's 99 cents, I'll just try it for the heck of it. And what it is is a It's kind of like a little It's a way Right? And so what you do is you put in all of your usernames or whatever, and then you get a quick little one-pager of how many followers you have. How many people you're following. Your tweets and whatever. And you kind of can like capture a bunch of things and compare them. And see like... Oh, that's kind of neat. Does it have clout? Doesn't have clout yet. They're actually... They have a thing like, please tell us what you want to have next. Clout. Cloud would be nice. Cloud has its own app. I know. So does Twitter. But not like to easily get this.

Jason Atwood: Most of these places you have to go in and dig around to see this. If I wanted to see those three stats, like I have four or five Twitter accounts,

Justin Edelstein: I would have to dig into four or five screens. It's going to go on a hunt for all your Twitter accounts.

Guest: Yes. Well, there's at least three or four.

Jason Atwood: Although I think one of mine got hacked. By the way, Twitter got hacked. Yeah, one of your Twitter accounts got hacked? Not one of the good ones. One of the old ones.

Guest: You don't use any more. You don't use any more. Yeah,

Justin Edelstein: But it's got things on there that you don't use anymore. Maybe people shouldn't see. Then shut it down. No, no, it's there for posterity, but no one should know about it. Oh, all right. Well,

Jason Atwood: Why'd you tell people about it? Go, go to mind. Bwannasali. It has stuff you should totally see. I don't know how to spell Bwannasali. So anyway, you can quickly look. To me, a little app, static, 99 cents, Whatever. Static, 99 cents. That's kind of my low point. I picked something so expensive last week I felt bad, so I think I'd go something cheaper this week. all the podcasts all the blog posts for free can't wait for next post go to your

Guest: You want to give people a little tease I wrote a little thing a little doozy well give how

Justin Edelstein: Those those developers out there can make admin's life easier There you go and make admins look like salesforce developers can make salesforce apex and visual force Developers can make salesforce admins lives easier and make them look like rock stars in the same in the same at the same time Great great.

Jason Atwood: Well, we'll look forward to seeing that that should be up tidbits probably by the end of this It's for next week.

Justin Edelstein: It's for next week. I just..................

39:28 Jason Atwood: And here's at just eddles.tv on Twitter.--- I guess it'll probably start pumping.

Justin Edelstein: I mean it's still active. It's still, it's crazy people in there I have a feeling there's gonna be like They're gonna do something a little different really. I just got a hunch. I don't know anything they just took away the the old interface.