Loony Tunes - Episode #168 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:20 Jason Atwood: This is the 168th episode of CloudF soccer Biarchis capture all chatter posts deletions and files available for free on the AppExchange. Take it for a spin at compliance-locker.com or just search for compliance locker on the AppExchange. I'm your host, Jason Atwood, and join me as the co-host Here's Justin Edelstein. Justin, how are you doing today? I gotta be honest with you. This is gonna be the worst podcast ever. I'm a little tired.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, a little beat It's a little late in the afternoon to be doing a podcast We're we're Wednesday podcasting or Wednesday podcasting which is early in the week But we're doing it late in the afternoon early evening. I would call this early evening. Would you? The lights are off. 540, yeah. I mean, at any moment, now the janitor's gonna come in here. Come in and grab garbage. And he does it every time. All the time. You're gonna knock on that door and say, go away.

Jason Atwood: Get outta here. I don't want any. Our podcasting studio has yet to have the red light in front of it. There you go. There he is. There's the knock. We don't want any. There you go. Every time. So good. We're the greatest podcasting studio ever. Oh that's why we're a podcast and not a broadcast. Not a broadcast, okay.

Justin Edelstein: I like it. So anyway a'm alright, thanks. I'm a little tired. So you really just like, that's just one of those. I- I'm not gonna like throw it in. Like, like,, I'm not gonna tank. But I'm having a great day. Be honest with you, I'm tired. It's a sad day here in New York. Ask me a why Oh why Derek Jeter. Derek Jeter announced that this is gonna be the last season that he plays for the New York Yankees and

Jason Atwood: Major League Baseball And then he can't even play this season. Well, no he is he suspended for the entire season. No, that's Alex Rodriguez.

Justin Edelstein: Oh Let's all I'll talk sports and you can just well you can talk about that one sport but It's a a sad day. I'm guaranteeing tears in September or October. It's gonna happen. I'm gonna cry. It's gonna give the... That's an idol. Since, you know, seeing the whole career since child.

Jason Atwood: That's gonna be a rough one. That is, is gonna be a rough one. You know what I read it and I was like, Disney suspended. And then you're right. I mixed it out. So I'll read it to you guys. Yes. and how dare you which basically means I should be thrown out of New York. I mean that's pretty terrible. That's terrible. Just stop the podcast right now. That's it. Alright, well let's not stop the podcast. Alright, let's talk about our wonderful things we have talked about. So we have the blog post of the week which is kind of going off my pick of the week last week. We have Project Loon from Google and then we have Five Ways Salesforce One Sets Itself Apart. We kicked in to think... According to Mark Ben, yeah- Yeah, we thought this wasa gonna be like, oh, it's gonna be like a really interesting take.

Jason Atwood: It's really a marketing thing. So I think we're gonna talk about more interesting. We're gonna talk about Salesforce One from a development standpoint because we've actually been developing on the platform now. And we're kind of both, well, we'll talk about it. I think it's going to be interesting because we can just break out what's our experience so far developing not one, but two apps on Salesforce One. Right. We won't talk about the other app. We won't tell everybody what it is, but one app is obvious. So let's start with, the newest blog post of Zast week, Sinking between QuickBooks and Salesforce. Interesting enough, I did talk last week how I made QuickBooks Online, my pick of the week. I don't know if you, well you've had a chance to use it now. I have.

04:00 Jason Atwood: Not on the mobile.

Justin Edelstein: Not on the mobile. We have logged in. I've looked at it on the mobile. But I've done, I've actually done some tasks. on QuickBooks Online didn't mess anything up so far so far yeah we'll see how it goes over the next week or two

Jason Atwood: But pretty simple I will say you know again just kind of going back that because we're talking about Quick Books again you know the idea of syncing QuickBooks And the sales force has always been kind of a very difficult thing. And now QuickBooks Online, you know, they actually, Intuit sells a sink. It's not great. And it's one of the things that, you know, we talk about in the blog post. But it is, you know, for all intents and purposes, it's inexpensive, meaning it's easy to set up or relatively easy to set up and relatively inexpensive. I mean, I think that's not a bad Not a bad option. Like you would just think like, why wouldn't you have two factor?

Justin Edelstein: I don't know. I mean, let me ask you the question moving. We're moving off the blog post. Thinking between Google books and self-book.com, blog. The blog's there. There's lots of options and write ups on all the options.

Jason Atwood: So it's a nice resource for, for those that need to do a little sync. We get the question a lot. We thought we'd answer it for the community.

Justin Edelstein: So. As a person who used QuickBooks offline, QuickBooks online yourself, now that you've used both and you're saying, hey, QuickBooks online, I need to factor. What was the factor that was keeping me from picking up your laptop that you left at the bus station and. going into QuickBooks if you weren't you if you didn't have a password on your laptop.

Jason Atwood: But that's the thing you're you here's the factor physical active access is the first factor versus a website which anybody can go to at any time and just go for. So physical access is the first thing it's only available on my laptop. Second of all, there's a laptop password which everybody should have. Third of all, there was a QuickBooks password. There was a QuickBooks password. Yeah, so yes, they're both passwords But the real one is the physical laptop like to get to my laptop You have to actually get it and I would notice it's gone versus I don't know who's trying to log into my QuickBooks online That's why online sites like Dropbox and Evernote and I just upgraded my iPad mini the other day and You know, I started making that list of things you have to do like and you go back and you drop box Many things drop box says you got to redo it.

07:16 Jason Atwood: You're like, oh and Evernote says, you

Justin Edelstein: Know, welcome back You almost need to like uninstall and reinstall. It's terrible. Oh, no, it wasn't that bad. Mine was awful I had to uninstall it and reinstall it like it let me log in it didn't sink any of the notes down It doesn't like you weird doesn't like you. I just reinstalled it and it was fine.

Jason Atwood: But you know you you you Two-factor comes in your face when you start to like, when you start to do things like this, but then you're appreciative. I mean, you know, I was appreciative. I know when I put in my, you know, my mail account and all that, yeah, it's pain in the butt to do it again and have to get the one-time passwords, but I'm like, this is protecting me, so I'm happy it's happening. Anyway, I'm just surprised. I'm just surprised. I'm just surprised. I mean, probably not socials and things like that, but it has pretty infra... I mean, what more is personal and private information than finances of a company, probably CRM, but then finances is probably number two. You would just think that they would put a little bit more thought behind it.

Jason Atwood: I can't fathom how. Go to their idea exchange. You know, they don't have a great... They do have a community. They do not have a great idea exchange. Anyway, so that's my thing on it. I like that they're there. Intuit has just always been behind the times. They just can't get out of their own way. Speaking of a company that can get out of its own way, or can't, yeah, this is one of those just weird things. This actually came from my wife. Had you heard about this before? No. I had kind of heard... Rumor I didn't know how to name and all that but anyway my wife sends over this article today saying have you seen this? It's cool It's Google loon and it is Basically, it's it's a project. I thought it was an April Fool's I kind of look to my watch as like is this April yet because this looks like an April Fool's Google does those kinds of things this would be a perfect one for them Like we're gonna put a bunch of balloons in the sky and give everybody internet, right?

Jason Atwood: We're going to surf the atmosphere to move the balloons around in sequence. I hope I'm not being punked. I hope we're not going to be like, oh yeah, that was a joke. Yeah, me too. I think the video, the starting video with the kid talking about access is too heartwarming to be a joke. But basically, while we say in the world, and I thought this was a good point, while we say in the world. Everybody's on the internet. The reality is, you know, over five and a half billion people aren't on the internet, out of the seven on the planet, something like that. Two thirds of the world's population. So this is a way to say, okay, and you know, then I think for us who are internet people, we go, oh, what does everybody need email and texting or whatever.

Jason Atwood: Then they talk about weather and getting access to information and healthcare and, oh yeah, there would be good reasons to have everybody on the internet. So, they came up with this, you know, as Google does, this is actually one of the great things that Google has about them in their sporadic all over the place-ness. Also on their mission, their mission to sort of organize the world's data. They consider access to the world data as part of their organizational. So, this is a program. to build balloons, huge, huge, huge, huge balloons. Up 20k in the sky. To the atmosphere. And the atmosphere above where the planes fly. Above where the weather happens, you know, happens- above the mountains. And then they float around on the atmosphere and they provide internet access by, you know, making basically a connection to a big network.

10:49 Justin Edelstein: And then down, back down to the earth. I mean.... It is connected to the ISP. Which is connecting up, but they're all kind of connected, right? I want internet I well, I didn't.

Jason Atwood: No, I just see that they did pilot test it and in New Zealand. And you can learn learn a little bit more, but it didn't. Things. Well, yeah, you just take things that are completely that a a and a, you know, cable companies are making a play for that. They're fighting fighting companies like Google because they'd like to charge more for game things. People want more. Kind of like your pretty candles. Hey you want to look at Netflix? Hey I'm going to your access to Netflix, I'm gonna charge you then if you just want to go look at artist, you blog.arkusinc.com. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's what net neutrality is all about. Well of course. If you want to download the CloudFocus Weekly podcast that's gonna cost you 13 cents a megabit Right.

Justin Edelstein: And then you want to watch the new like, House of Cards.

Jason Atwood: Can we have this Friday? Yeah. Then this Friday. Yeah.

Justin Edelstein: No, Friday or Thursday or Friday the. 13th whenever that is. That's tomorrow. That's tomorrow. Oof. Yeah. Oof. So excited. I know what I'm doing Saturday.

Jason Atwood: I'm watching 13 episodes in 1000 cars. I know where I'm not going for the next two weeks. I'm actually going on a vacation, I'm going to a hotel that has Wi-Fi, so maybe I'll be able to watch it

Justin Edelstein: It to matter it's there the whole things there for when when you're ready for it Yeah, you can download it from a balloon in the sky. I love it moving on Next up.

Jason Atwood: Up is this article that we've already kind of slammed a little bit. Yeah, you know, the headline was just so Enticing

Justin Edelstein: But then you know, it's on blogs not salesforce.com. So it's Less than enticing. Well, it's not less- Less than enticing. It's just going to be a little bit more fluffy than if it was on TechCrunch or something like that. Well, it's also five.

13:59 Jason Atwood: So the article is on Mark Banting off five ways that Salesforce 1 platform sets itself apart. Great. Nothing goes to five, but it's like a sentence each. Developers are more important than ever. ISVs, independent software can use the Salesforce Three, employees, whatever, employees, admins, customers. But why don't we, take this, as a moment, to talk about Salesforce One. So currently, Arkus has two products on the AppExchange. If you don't know them, you haven't listened to any one of our podcasts, but we have Compliance Locker and the Permissioner. We took, and we are. In the midst of playing around with maybe going to sort of build another one- just a mobile only application and So we started by trying to take the permissioner and sort of just mobilizing it. Why don't you talk about the experience so far?

Justin Edelstein: You know the the notion of taking all your stuff and bringing it from the past and into the future, like Parker did at Dreamforce, is a little more challenging than it seems on the surface. The permissioner is a pretty busy page, does a lot of a lot. There's a couple different sections to it, searching. And by all accounts, it totally works. Like in the dev org where it is, we've checked the one checkbox to make it mobile. And the functionality works. It's just not mobile. It doesn't look right on the device. it doesn't scale properly to the page even though it is not like fixed width and like it's built to you know to last well to expand and collapse whatever that i'm blanking on the terminology for building web pages like that these days is But even still it's it just doesn't look right so then like building mobile visual force pages Is a little challenging because you have you have design constraints You have to think about like a user experience on a phone and what they're used to and then what they can do inside of the Salesforce one standard application container versus what you can actually accomplish on a visual force page or two different things, right?

Justin Edelstein: So like while swipe gestures and like sticky Icons that float are are there inside the Salesforce one app You can't really do those things necessarily in visual force. So there's some challenges in in building out like as the ISV portion of this, I guess that's what I'm speaking to. It's not, you know, the super simplest thing in the world, but at the same time, the platform is there. So it's like, you know, you want to publish an app, you could put together a really, really simple application really, really quickly and publish it. to the Salesforce 1 container really, really easily. Now I'm just talking about like mobile visual force. There's obviously a whole lot of other, you know, APIs, And that's kind of the first point developers that allow people to connect in different ways to other services as well as the the Salesforce APIs themselves and use those on a mobile device.

17:37 Justin Edelstein: We're not really doing that. We're kind of just mobilizing an already existing application, right? Making it look and feel and work the way it should on a mobile device within the Salesforce work. And it's been a little challenging.

Jason Atwood: And so then we decided to try as a proof of concept slash scratch and itch, try to create another application that would just be the Salesforce one only. Would not be, would only be for Salesforce one. And it was that too, like as we sat through and originally I just wrote up some requirements or heard a user story, threw it at you and said... do this and then as we got kind of, kind of into it you could see well the way you look at your phone and the iOS platform and we're going to talk iOS only for this point sorry. You know the way you manipulate things and do things isn't necessarily how Salesforce One the platform works. So there's things that are that you're used to doing on your phone.

Justin Edelstein: That you can't do in Salesforce 1. Like there's just... Well, you can do in Salesforce 1, you just can't do in like mobile visual force.

Jason Atwood: Like there are things... Oh, right. Then there's... But that's even worse. Like there's things in Salesforce 1, functions that you can't act, you can't use yet.

Justin Edelstein: Interface patterns or design patterns that aren't available inside of Visualforce but are there. Like Visualforce kind of just loads in this... Frame so they're but so the stuff that they haven't either built or exposed to the developer community to do some of the stuff that They're doing for the design pattern stuff and they even tell you in the Salesforce one developer guide don't use our style sheets Like don't use our stuff because it's gonna change basically right warning. Don't use our stuff, right?

Jason Atwood: Use your own stuff And by stuff he means style sheets, so he means coloring and things. Don't reference their fonts. Don't reference our stuff. You could use their fonts, you just don't reference their own because they're going to change them and it could blow up your thing. It could just though. Yeah. So you want to pick the same font, you can just write it into your app. So if they change their font, you would be stuck with your font you picked. Right. Well, it's interesting. I think it's been a, you know, Salesforce 1 as it comes around, as we've talked about it as it's been a bigger story, I think. Even when talking to clients now, like we talk about mobile and the mobile story is just so much easier to talk about. It's such a better story just to talk about it,

Justin Edelstein: Not from a developer ISV point of view. And just to talk about it as a user of Salesforce mobile. It's come so far, right, in such a short period of time, even though it feels like it's taken a long time to get here, now you can see the pace of innovation coming on the mobile side, which is really pretty cool. You know what I didn't see in the, wow, I went from being really nice to now being a little. Like I'm going to, I'm going to bash the safe harbor statement. Remember when we were sitting there at like, it was either the dream force, keynote, or maybe even the salesforce one tour here in New York. I were talking about like, and in spring 14, safe harbor, you'll be able to brand. The mobile app.

21:04 Justin Edelstein: Yes, I didn't see that in the release notes. I just missed that. I didn't see it either I don't think it was spring 14. I think it was coming soon. No, it was in the next release

Jason Atwood: Well considering they think that this release is the Salesforce one release maybe they meant the one after this one Maybe I could swear they said spring

Justin Edelstein: But it's possible and it could be in the But I don't feel like I would have missed that one. I don't I would have caught that one. I would have caught that one. That's a big one.

Jason Atwood: Maybe well things I'd like to catch Not cold let's do some kind of focus on picks of the week Let's do it First of all, let's do a little pre-apology What are we very apologizing? Well, there's gonna be no CloudFocus Weekly next week unless we do another one of the end this week to publish next week.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I don't think we're gonna have one next week because you're gonna be on vacation all week. So maybe on maybe we could do one and publish next week. Why are you doing that? I don't know. Let's not make promises we can't keep. We'll try our best. You get what you pay for. We'll try our best to do another CloudFocus Weekly before you go away. If we don't, we apologize. Advance in advance of next week and this and I'll make you apologize again when I come back So as a preamble to that here comes our app picks of the week. I'm gonna be picking a lot of wedding apps Why is that Justin? Oh, I'm getting married in May. He's so come may come may There's gonna be like a three or four week stretch where we lose not gonna.

Jason Atwood: Oh, that's true So, you know, this could be the year we like break under 40 or so. That would be bad. That'd be bad. but it's certainly possible. So possible.

Justin Edelstein: I've been researching. There's this, there's this class of applications. and I've been researching two of them. Okay. This one, the one I'm going to pick is free. And it's called Wed pics Wed pics wed pics now. There's another one and The other one I'll just give you the name of it I can't remember it off the top of my head, but if I pull out my phone real quick, it's called photo op Photo op and the other one's actually cooler, but it costs money and this one's free the idea is You create an app, a wedding app. So myself, I would go in here and say, I'm getting married, I'm engaged, I click getting started. And it creates like my, my account, right? It then gives me an ID, like a wedding ID, like a five digit, this is my account.

Justin Edelstein: And then, all of my people who are coming to my wedding or any other event surrounding my wedding. Hahaha. To download this application and type in my wedding ID. When they do, they can then, using the app, take a picture at the wedding, and I get it all. And then so it creates like an album for me. Not an album, but like a web. So it's like collaborative wedding pictures. Yeah. it basically creates a a little wedding album for me based on all the pictures that everybody's taken on their smartphones because everyone's taking pictures anyway. So it's like back in the day when you go to a wedding or an event and you had little disposable cameras Yeah, yeah, this kind of represents that.

24:46 Jason Atwood: And digital cameras. I've been to ones where they literally throw $100 digital cameras on everybody's bank. Yeah, this kind of replaces that. You just go into this app, put in my wedding.

Justin Edelstein: And then snap away, take videos, whatever. You have it. They're yours, but I also have them. But so you, but you have to be in the app to take the pictures. You have to be in the app or you can upload the apps in time. Or you can upload the pictures in the app. The other one's more interesting because it uses your location. It knows that you're at my wedding when you open the app. So you don't, have to like know my ID you just kind of open the app and you just snap away. And it can like I would control it so like I can say we're at my bachelor party. I've heard of this and then you would open the app and you know like. So you want me no, not at all but I'm just saying like with that one you get like up to six events this one's really just wed picks the one I'm picking which is the free one is really just all about the wedding itself and I think it's I think it's kind of a really cool new wave of applications Just to get these photos and videos into this private album With unlimited assists.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, etc And then can make comments and instead of likes they call them loves All that kind of stuff just throw up on the mouth a little bit and And then you can download I can download that the pictures too if people actually take some nice shots You can download them. So anyway, what picks if you're getting married I'm going to have all sorts of apps for you in the next couple of months.

Jason Atwood: If you're not, you're really bored of all his app. Yeah. Interesting. Because you can do some more things. And I've now taught my wife and you even, we did things with the iCloud shared folders, which you can now on iOS seven, you can. you can have multiple people contribute you can have multiple people contribute to. So in theory, you could do the same thing. You create a shared folder and say, but this is for Android.

Justin Edelstein: This is an app. Right. It's not like iTunes or I photo. Right. What it's for anybody. I'm surprised. Yeah, it's cool. I mean, if if I was Facebook, I'd buy one of these suckers in a minute. Right. And be like, yeah, now Facebook wedding's done.

Jason Atwood: Facebook's wedding's done. All right, well my pick is something I've used a couple times and I actually found that they had an app for it, which is, so I'm about to go embark on a lot of travel. A.M. going away and then in March I think I'm in five cities in five days. Yes, it's crazy. That's impossible.

Justin Edelstein: No, it's not. Not possible. them all. Atlanta, Chicago, Boston,

Jason Atwood: New York. All right, four cities. Forgot New Orleans., Oh, New Orleans, five cities, seven days. It can't be seven days. It's Wednesday to Wednesday. Impossible. Yeah, it's crazy. Anywho, so there it was. What was five cities, seven days. It could be six days, I think. Anyway, so, you know, travel a lot, travel more and more. But when you're booking your flight, you now can pick your seats, whatever. So I, there's a, one of the apps I've always picked and used, you know, like Fight Track Pro and things like that, they have a connection that says you can go and look at, you know, sort of once you already have your seat that says you can go look at Seecoroo to see if your seats are good or not. That's a lot. But you already have them at that point.

28:24 Jason Atwood: So you're kind of like, you know, like, oh, well, OK. I guess you can move them. But, there's an app on the, on iOS, I'm sure they have other versions, called SeecGuru. SeecGuru, and you can look up either by airline, by flight, whatever, and then you can basically see reviews. of the seats. So you can go and look at, it's like there's like red or green or there's someone saying good so you can say well what's the best seat? You might look at something on their little map and go oh that's a great seat and you hover over and it says seat 11A is a common class seat that is missing a window. It also has no recline to do the exit row behind you. So again if you're flying an hour or whatever but if you're doing a lot of travel you want to sit in nice seats.

Jason Atwood: Or this one by the end says C 20 B is in the last row

Justin Edelstein: The plane the proximity of the lavatory may be bothersome. Yeah that is bothersome. I hate the last row you can't recline and you're always next to the bathroom. Some things you can figure out

Jason Atwood: Obvious like some some things are obvious like you know you just don't know the traveler but other ones you would those two of those that are red there you wouldn't know why they were red. No I wouldn't know why those two are red. But you would you know so all right seat guru It's free. It's a nice little app. It's not as... What they could do and I've seen a lot of these apps do is they read from your trip it So if you haven't heard me talk about trip it crazy because I love me some trip it But some of my apps will read from my trip it plans and pull them into the app and then tell me you know Like flight track pro will do that.

Justin Edelstein: It'll read in and so This one doesn't I kind of feel like you should do that. They should a d exchange d exchange for secret

Jason Atwood: So that's my pic see guru for the iOS Another thing you should pick. You should pick us. You double-baked. No, you should pick us on Twitter. Follow Justin at Justin Edelstein. Follow me at Jason Atwood. Follow Arkus at Arkus Inc.

Justin Edelstein: We're on the Facebook. I just hit exactly 1700 followers. Wow. Like with the double zeros. Twitter, on the Twitter. On the Twitter. That's crazy sauce. People like me. I don't know why.

Jason Atwood: Facebook.com slash Arkus Inc. The Dreamforce Portal Group. We're in the success community group, so there's a whole, literally a group in there for Just Cloud for this weekly group. I think it might have over 100 in there now. We're on LinkedIn, Google Plus, and if you have not already, please remember to subscribe and review us in iTunes, one of the few places you actually can review podcasts. Although I think more are coming. And until either next week or pre-recorded for next week, this is Justin and Jason saying enjoy those cloudy days.