Rock, Scissor, Paper - Episode #167 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 167th episode of CloudFocus Weekly, for the first week of February 2014. This episode is titled, Rock Scissors Paper. Conflicts will be sponsored to you by The Permissioner by Arkus. Mass assign and revoke Salesforce permission sets. It truly is permission sets made easy. Available for free on the AppExchange or go to thepermissioner.com. I'm your host Jason Atwood and joining me. for 100th and millionth time, nope, 167 times. Is Justin Edelstein, Justin, how are you today?

Justin Edelstein: It is a Friday. Oh yeah, I love Fridays.

Jason Atwood: Friday is a lovely day. I love podcasting on a Friday. Yes. Nothing beats it. It's nice. I kind of like the Thursday afternoon. It's my favorite.

Justin Edelstein: This is like the little end cap. This is the end cap. It's a night cap, I guess you could say.

Jason Atwood: We're back from our studio away. Last week I think we did in our mobile studio. The mics are significantly better here.

Justin Edelstein: Yes when I listen back. Yes, we sound a lot better on these mics Oh, yeah, I sound

Jason Atwood: Amazing anyway, yes, but you it helps you helps me out. It helps me out. It helps with the timbre of my voice All right. Well, we have speaking in the timbre of my voice. We have an agenda We have your blog post which has not yet made it to the interwebs, but will be up on blog.archessinc.com So talk about that And then we have news of Facebook paper Salesforce killing off yet another mobile platform And then Bill Gates back to Microsoft which is kind of some funny story to it And then we'll make our cloud focus at pick of the week, which I'm extremely excited about so let's kick it off with your blog post of the week Entitled again will be available pretty soon soon as I post it Entitled what mass assignment of permission sets?

Justin Edelstein: Options.

Jason Atwood: There you go. So quite the title. We highlighted this I think two weeks ago when we said that the permissioner now has commissioner, now has some company.

Justin Edelstein: Has some company. Has a native ability on the platform to now mass assign users to permission sets or revoke users from permission sets.

Jason Atwood: So why don't we do this for the newest of listeners. Yes. What is a permission set?

Justin Edelstein: Wow. We're going to go. Yeah, we're not level. All right. So a permission set is a one permission or group of permissions compiled into a set. Hence the name permission set. that can then be assigned to a user or many users to give them additional permissions that are above and beyond what their profile allows them to do.

03:11 Jason Atwood: And just if you just logged in, this is the first time we've ever listened, we are talking about salesforce.com permissions. Oh yeah,

Justin Edelstein: Those are the ones we were talking about. They're great for that one-off request, right? You have... You have your your Salesforce org and you have 50 users assigned to the same one profile. And all of a sudden you need for two of those users to be able to edit cases where in the past they were only able to read them. but you don't want all 50 of those users to be able to edit cases, you just want two of them. So instead of cloning the profile and adding the permission to edit cases to the profile and then reassigning those other two users, you can now just create a permission set with the permission of edit cases and grant the permission set to just those two users and It gives you that level of granularity and flexibility to tell me why I don't want to have many profiles I not they're they're really hard to maintain For change management purposes.

Justin Edelstein: So if you had like let's say five profiles fine, but when you get into the teens and the 20s and 30s and the 40s and in a lot of orgs that are bigger the hundreds Change management across all of those permissions gets really difficult. getting a wrangle on. You, you, you, you you, you, you, you, profiles that are like virtually the same, except one minor little difference. you probably have profiles that are exactly the same, you just don't even know it.

Jason Atwood: Right. I was explaining that as pro. Yeah. Are. And then I think the other solution, the other many profiles and you wanted to give a lot different. You want to increase other things for different. OK, I'm going to let everybody do, you know, export report. the the now I'm editing. And to give that whole set, I now have to edit a whole bunch of profiles. I was a basic. State the least number of profiles you can do, the more you can do a permission set the better. There are still limitations to permission sets, but they've gotten better and better. They're almost. They're the real deal.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah....... the and in and of itself. is a permission set. So by default, you have that one. There's an attribute on it. Like when you query against permission sets, there's an attribute called like is owned by profile. It's either true or false. And if you get the ones that are true, those are actually profiles.

06:52 Jason Atwood: The one thing I will say as a user of permission to sign, I use them more and more. The one thing that, and maybe you have a workaround for this, before we even get into the signing, Matt's signing, maybe I do. Well, it's the user interface to's to go,, so I go, I want to add, what do we say, edit cases. Edit cases. So you go and you create a new permission set.... Yes, right you give it a name I think and I always I'm always like well Should I be naming it the thing that it is the person I'm giving it to whatever? So you give it a name then you go and you edit and you go search for the permission. Yeah What I don't like is you search for the permission you hit go it says here it is you say okay get me there And then it brings you to a page that like you're at the top and you have to like go down.

Jason Atwood: Then you have to go click edit.

Justin Edelstein: Well, what what that page is, is the quote unquote new user interface for profile management, which I usually turn off because I don't like it. Right. I actually don't like that interface. I like the old interface for profile management because everything's on one screen. Whereas for the permission sets you don't have that option. It's just using the new interface and Everything's on different screens. So like objects are on one screen visual force. They're on another screen Application permissions system permissions Like they're all on different screens. So everything's kind of chopped up and more. To get to where you need to. Also, you can't see anything.

Jason Atwood: You have to click into. So you say find it, edit cases, I'm doing this in front of me, edit case commerce comes up as a permission. I click find, it's lands me on that view, on that that thing. I don, I don't ever use the find, I just know where things are. But then you can't edit it. Yeah, I just go to it. You have to then go all the way to the top, hit edit.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, that's a quick find. and it's not a search. So I don't do things that way. I just just go to it because I know where it is. Yeah, that's one of my... But anyway, one of the big

Jason Atwood: Limitations of permission sets was up until a native feature of Salesforce was you couldn't If you had, let's say, one permission set or three permission sets and you wanted to assign them to... 15 different users to get this you would have before you'd have to go to every individual user click go down to the list or at the top click edit permission sets and then move over whatever those permissions are hit save and move on that's right So as you scroll from from when from user to user the more users you had this could come right now. You could use the API but that gets even more. We built the permissioner which allows you to mass assign and then we created the ability to mass from Vogue which is cool and which we talked about weeks ago which is really about you know it's really for it's not that the permissioner doesn't do it because it does it it's that there are some organizations.

09:57 Jason Atwood: I that literally cannot use any installed applications. And so even though you could say, well why, why would they build something that a free application does, they need to be able to satisfy customers. And these are the big customers. These are also things, I mean,

Justin Edelstein: It does things differently. Right. So while we can't... as Arkus build the permissioner like right into standard screens. That button's going away and it's gonna be replaced. A button that allows you to assign and revoke users to and from that permission set. So when you click on the assign button, it'll go on a screen that has all of your user list views.... So when you were, when you would click on like manage users, users, yep. Yep. List views there that you've already prebuilt. It will allow you to use any of those. So there that's, that's where you're going to probably want to spend some time now if you're going to leverage this functionality to go build some useful.

Jason Atwood: User views. I always build like active, inactive, login the last couple days.

Justin Edelstein: There's an admin one. Like it comes out of the box with like active, inactive and sysadmin.

Jason Atwood: I think it's active and admin all.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah so you might want to spend some time and build a couple. So it's coming over. I go in, I create a list view and then I have a list view that you've already had to create. And I create select all or select a few. Yeah you can select a bunch and then you assign the permission set.

Jason Atwood: Kind of like I assign to a... to a campaign. So that's the way it works. So can I assign to one permission set? Can I assign to multiple?

Justin Edelstein: No, it's one. One. Because you're on the permission set and then you're doing it. Okay. So the permissioner has a little bit more flexibility and a little bit more complex functionality whereby You don't have to rely on having user list views built out because you can just search for users across a variety of different attributes. So you can look for users by name if you're looking for just one user. You can look for a title. You can look for a role or a public group. So a lot of people have commented and said that that's a really good functionality. You can't build a list view based on users in a public group.

Jason Atwood: You just can't do that. But, but that's a good use case because the people in a public group, I might want to give a permission set. That's why we built that into the permissioner.

Justin Edelstein: You also can assign, you know, 10 permission sets to a hundred users using the permissioner. on one screen. You can't really do that with the native one. The native one's going to be real quick and easy. You're on the permission set, you click the button that you assign, you select a bunch of users, you assign it. If it can't assign it for some reason, it tells you why. Get the little error message. It'll send you an email after you've done it. No, I don't think it does, but it's right on the screen. It says why it doesn't happen. And the nice thing is that they're

13:20 Jason Atwood: Very different interface, their user interface is different. The permission was search first. Search first, that's right. And it was built that way, and honestly, the guy who built this version, Adam Tormann, was the guy who came to us and said, you should build it, you should build it search first. He literally said, you should build it search first. Actually, remember our initial design was list view driven. Drive it, drive it, drive it, drive it, drive it.

Justin Edelstein: He actually suggested and I think he was right to make it simpler and do search. Well I think it was interesting that he then when he built

Jason Atwood: His site he built it not search first Which is like but then you can you know like you can quick find it anyway it's interesting So I feel like he's saying hey this is a different way to do it It's a different way to do it, the on platform is quick easy And the permissioner is you know as much as installing an application is You know, easy. It does take multiple steps. You got to go in, you got to click, you whatever. I mean, it's not, it's not quick, quick. It's quick, quick, install, log into app exchange. Yes, I have a, I'll log in and say, where do I want to start? I want to start production. Okay, click. Okay. Install. Okay. Sure. Yes, I'm unsure. Other than that. But anyway, so that is the biggest, that'll be up on blog.arkusinc.com.

Jason Atwood: A little comparison. You'll see screenshots. a couple screenshots. I couldn't really find good screenshots of

Justin Edelstein: The new functionality because the pre-release orgs are all professional edition, which don't have permission sets in them R because they're professional. I've heard safe harbor that come summer that's gonna change and you'll be able to sign up for any kind of org that you want. You know what's weird?

Jason Atwood: Tell me. What's weird is hybrid orgs. Hybrid orgs are weird. Yeah, like a professional with like API and and profiles Yeah, cuz you get profiles but not record types Yeah, it's weird. That is weird like profiles without record type check Oh, I kind of like half the cake like oh, it's a good. Oh, no That's not really even what

Justin Edelstein: I want if I were to get to Cuz if I were to like if they were to say you can have one thing in your professional edition org and only one thing I'd say give me workflow yeah.

Jason Atwood: But then I'd want API. That would be the second thing I asked. Then I'd want record types or profiles but they don't have record types. You can't get that's the thing you can't buy record types you can buy profiles. And profiles and page layouts is what you get well page layouts

Justin Edelstein: You can have different page layouts right now, and then Professional yeah, yeah But you get that that's the package it says is profiles

Jason Atwood: And page layouts is the like line already have that But you don't get record types. Don't get the record to whatever Doesn't matter. It really doesn't. Alright, let's talk about Facebook paper. So yeah, here's another one. So you want to talk about it. So talk to me why it's so exciting. I'm surprised you didn't make this your pick.

Justin Edelstein: Well, I haven't used it enough to really make it my pick, which is never stop me. I was about to say, when is it ever stop you ever in the past? You have picked things that people told you to pick. In fact, someone sent you about six picks this week. Someone sent me,.. Well, six that you forgot about. A number of picks. Thank you, Paul. I gotta thank Paul for lots of stuff. Paul, thank you. Yes. Great listener. Thanks, Paul. Good guy, too. I'm gonna get that scotch you told me about. so... Facebook paper they released this this week or late last week early this week something I downloaded it played with it for a little my take on it is that this is Facebook's way I'm paying attention to you I'm just using my FacebookI was playing with it I think this is first off I think it's a really nice app let me describe it so So it's a different UI for your feed.

17:09 Justin Edelstein: And on top of that, it is like a news aggregator, much like Zite. Now, and it can pull the news like you can just say like pull it from my feed. Right. And in that case, it kind of just like if you like TechCrunch or if you like Mashable or all these companies that just publish all of their stories to their Facebook pages. Like Arkus. Like Arkus. You get that in that feed. But then you can pick other topics. So it's like, oh I'm interested in tech, I'm interested in sports, I'm interested in urban whatever, right? You just sort of select these topics and slide them into your feed and then you can bounce back and forth to get stories from those topics. So like a newspaper, hence the name Paper. I think Facebook's testing this to see if this could be the next mobile interface for them because I think it's a really interesting interface.

Justin Edelstein: You can do a lot from it in terms of interacting with your feed. You can post to your feed from it. You can see your entire feed in it just in a very different style. It's and I think it's I think it's feed feed. It's very much like just a different version of your feed. Right. But with a slew of other content brought into it. Well, this is I really like about it. This is also bringing up that sales.

Jason Atwood: Facebook is not 10 years old. They have their 10 year old, you know, they're 10 years old as a company. Aren't they doing those birthday videos or whatever those videos are? Like, yeah,

Justin Edelstein: The time my one. One. I haven't done my video. I don't think I'm going to either. I find it obnoxious. I'm finding all these videos in my feed. I don't really care about it. I don't want to see your feed.

Jason Atwood: So I'm going to wazzle you and dazzle you with a, I could make this my pick of the week, I'm going to make this other one my pick of the week, but I could make this my pick of the week and I'll leave it as a non-pick pick of the week. So I have recently become very excited about a basically a whole suite of them but I'm gonna pick one as a non-pick pick of the week Yahoo News Digest have you seen this one?

Justin Edelstein: No. So this one. Yahoo doing really good mobile stuff? Amazing mobile stuff.

Jason Atwood: Amazing balls. So and so this is it's called News Digest. Here's what I like about it. So in the morning and at night they give you seven stories that you need to read. That's it. So you get your you get your stories and morning and you just swipe through them one two three It's like, you know from seven nice on base, too. Oh, yeah, like great Very good-looking on the mobile looks good you get the your tent you get your seven It says all done done gives you a little funny fact at the end and then And then what does it do like ping you like what yeah, it does in the morning It says you're meeting and then look it was my favorite it tells you I said the countdown to when then that's nice And then you can go back and say oh, what was yesterday's morning one?

20:10 Jason Atwood: Oh, I see and you can read that one Yeah, Yahoo's been doing a lot with

Justin Edelstein: They have all stuff even their website has been very optimized for mobile viewing, I've noticed.

Jason Atwood: All right. So we're kind of doing a mega pick here. The other one is the new Yahoo weather is unbelievable.

Justin Edelstein: Look at them going like why? I mean, Marissa Meyer was very much talking about this at Dreamforce. Oh yeah. By the way, this is one of the nicest mobile apps.

Jason Atwood: Look at all the information you get there on one screen. And it pulls in pictures from Flickr of local areas. It is there, San Fran. Let's go to New York. There's New York and the and the one on the I see yeah on the one on the iPad is even better Well, yeah, so a nice picture

Justin Edelstein: So anyway, it looks familiar those my two not pick looks like it's taken from Close to our neighbor.

Jason Atwood: I really like the way that the people are designing now for the phone. So yeah, this is looking good They're doing some good stuff and my pick of the week actually follows this

Justin Edelstein: To my pick That's a very I have to download your pick of the week Yeah, well there's two versions. Just two things. Sorry. I need to grab that onto my iPad. So. So anyway. Speaking of going mobile. Facebook paper. Let's go mobile. Let's go anti, mobile.

Jason Atwood: That's what the Sigoui was.

Justin Edelstein: I'm setting it up for you. Sorry, I killed it. So I got an email. We are an administrator of a salesforce org. That's right, I got an email from Salesforce. telling on February 6th, which was yesterday, telling me that I need to be aware that somebody in some org that I'm an administrator of, because you're an administrator of like 700 org, tell you which one it is, I probably find out but I don't really care that much. I do care, but not enough to figure it out. they're notifying me to an important change. regarding the availability of Salesforce Classic and Chatter Mobile for Blackberry. Which is basically telling me that come summer 14, which is the next release, these two applications, Salesforce Classic and Chatter Mobile for Blackberry will no longer... be officially supported by Salesforce.com.

Justin Edelstein: They will work. However,. If on a supported mobile device. Which is in Blackberry. Right. So they're basically, saying not only should you move to a different app, but you should get a new device. Completely. And they just point you to like. Introducing Salesforce One......... but not for Blackberry. not for Blackberry so they give you a reason they said here's why we're retiring it all legacy Blackberry OS platform. time. Which they threw in the legacy Blackberry OS platform. Like what if you have a brand new Blackberry? It's like already legacy according to Salesforce. On which these apps run is being replaced by the new Blackberry 10 platform which does not support older legacy apps. So according to their data... blah, blah, blah. They basically don't need to build Salesforce one for Blackberry and they're not going to because I'm I'm reading through the TV here.

23:38 Jason Atwood: It's not happening. I'm sure what the what the use base of of libraries. I mean, I walk into clients now who are I get financial services where you would see nothing but a billion blackberries. Now I walked in the other day.

Justin Edelstein: IPhones all around the table. Everyone's got their own device.

Jason Atwood: Everyone's... Well, no, then they got the double iPhones because some companies still want... A lot of people are doing the bring your own and they have a good...

Justin Edelstein: Right. Good technology set up to allow you to sort of just hook in to whatever you... whatever you want to bring, which is how I would do it.

Jason Atwood: So even adding to this story... in the iOS, if you've been watching your updates to iOS, you know, as they now come in, as I have said, they all come in automatically. Yeah, they do. I have not been watching them. It's kind of funny. Right, so because no one watches them anymore because they're coming out automatically. I go, you know what? I like the way they do it. I was scared originally that like they wouldn't, I like to see what they are. Cause I, I like seeing like the new features. Sometimes it's brand new stuff. I hate when it just says bug fixes. Right. That's my least favorite. So, look at the new icon for Salesforce Classic.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, it's like. It's like great out. It's like you don't touch even if you find it you probably dark cloud don't it's not a happy cloud It's a dark cloud so I actually went to go use it when the logo changed I was like oh, I'll log into that right because my my salesforce one app on my phone is actually right connected to a dev org for other reasons hinted and But we've talked about it. That's okay, but I... so I just log in through the web and the web experience for Salesforce 1 on the browser in Safari is fantastic. Really? It's just like you're in the app. It's just the browser. Because you are. But when I went, I went to classic it was like I needed to reauthorize the whole thing and I was like forget it.

Justin Edelstein: Like it needed to download all that stuff, you know, it like needs to like set set itself up I was like, no, this is wrong. This is all wrong. You shouldn't have to do anything. I just want you to work now and Whatever registering. Yeah that whole thing registering downloading activating that whole deal. I was like, no, this is not not how it works Very old school.

Jason Atwood: I went don't want it. I went jason to that with that or Jason,

Justin Edelstein: Jason that Arkus. Oh yeah. That's not my name. That's not going to work. All right. Let's move along. Yeah, let's move on. So Salesforce killing rim basically.

Jason Atwood: Not really killing. Not killing support for. Well, I mean, this is so interesting is this, this company and we talk about this all the time, these companies that dominate and we'll go to one. You know, dominate literally the, the, the, the. business mobile atmosphere was dominated by Blackberry. Like, I remember when I worked at the company, she'll not be named, but we had 365,000 employees and we were like the number one at the time, customer of Blackberry.

Justin Edelstein: We remember when we piloted Palm Trails. Yeah. You and I were one of 75 people on Palm Trail. Yeah. It's funny because I remember at the time the head IT guy was like, - - - - - - - - - You can't be a big fan of the game. You can't be to the mail server. Right, using good.

27:51 Jason Atwood: I a and but the bigger news was Satya went to Gates, they said, it's a smart person. And so Gates has become, he's not, you know, an advisor. He's a tech advisor. He's come in to help them get off the ground and sort of redo because they're just sort of struggling. They're struggling in almost every market. I even think the PS3 is doing, or the PS4 is, I don't know where that is, but I the PS4 is. Against one Xbox one. Yeah, yeah, I, it's a little surprising to me. I think they have a lot more content right now. So what I've heard from, from the, see as an Apple person, I wouldn't care.

Justin Edelstein: I buy one or the other based on like, you know, which is the better console, but as like, but if I was But if I, well there is better in terms of services that are actually on the console. Not the games, but the services. Can I stream the same stuff on both consoles? Really? Can I? Yeah. Because I remember on the PlayStation you used to be able to stream like the NFL.

Jason Atwood: But I know Microsoft I'd never I'd buy the Xbox because I feel like it should all sort of just right but it's also a gaming console It's like you're wean to anything else and yet you bought a Wii. That's a Nintendo Yeah, what I'm saying is now I'm in more of a networked world where I would expect my stuff

Justin Edelstein: To just talk to each other I would almost expect me to be able if I had a surface to sort of exchange the games between the two. I should be able to, I feel. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know either, I'm not a game person. I have a PS3,

Jason Atwood: I bought it just for the NFL, I play, you know, we play games. It's a Blu-ray player. It has a Blu-ray player. I'm waiting to figure out which way, I mean, I'm so NFL driven that like, I'm waiting to see which one wins out and then that's the one I'll buy. You're gonna get an Xbox. Well, totally Xbox. Totally. I know, all the looks that way, but that has not been announced, so we don't know. Anywho, Gates goes back and so what do you think? Good job, like could help?

Justin Edelstein: Can't hurt. How could bringing Bill Gates back hurt? There's no way that hurts you. It can only help you.

Jason Atwood: I feel like here's the only thing that I could think it hurts you. So here's the way I was spinning it. And as I thought about Bill Gates. I don't feel like Bill Gates was ever the great idea man. Bill Gates was very intelligent or is very intelligent. Great business person knew where to go in certain markets. But I don't think of him as like an innovator, right? Like again, you think of a Steve Jobs. I know he's always comparing the two. Steve Jobs came back to Apple and saved Apple by innovating and creating new products and whatever. for. But that was what he did before he left Apple. He was that guy. And I know I just read his book, so it's kind of in my head. Bill Gates was never that guy. Bill Gates was a very sly business person and knew how to manipulate it and knew how to build out, you know, the distribution and creating the, you know.

31:14 Jason Atwood: There's nothing wrong with what you're saying. But I'm saying that I don't feel like he's the guy who can. What what Microsoft is suffering from is an innovation like trench They have not been able to do anything that they haven't bought or stolen in and I know this is probably harsh I'm gonna get feedback But like that's my that's my gut is that I don't feel like they have innovated on any platform in a long time You maybe go to X, you know Xbox one there are some innovative features in that not really fair for you to say Why? You know, that is Windows 8. and i have windows 8. i installed windows 8 on one of my parallels instances so i played with it. honestly i was just like oh god get me out of here where's my start menu.

Jason Atwood: Which is what i feel like like these tiles they're so cool but you know what i'm saying. that's not very what you're saying is like the opposite of.

Justin Edelstein: Innovation it's like i want my old thing back Please, because I don't know how to use this. This is so innovative.

Jason Atwood: I have no idea how to even use this. That's the problem with Microsoft and their innovation. It's like their innovation was to sort of.

Justin Edelstein: It was to revamp this whole thing, but not doing it in a way that. But if you had no preconceived notions of how Windows worked and you just looked at that thing, could you have figured it out? I guess. Because from someone who goes from Windows to. to Mac, there's no start menu, you have to figure it out. And without the preconceived notion of a start menu, because you're like, I'm going to a new thing. This brand new thing called Mac, I understand. So you went to a brand new thing. And you're like, but this is Windows, where's my start menu? Where, where,

Jason Atwood: So Windows 8 tiles, okay, so that's one in in the last 10 years, now let's name two more. I don't know, because I don't follow... Well, you follow the industry, you follow, I can name Google innovations, I can name games. I use Google stuff, I use Apple stuff, I use Microsoft stuff, I don't really use Microsoft stuff. I use Excel every day of my life. Yeah, but I use Mac Office,

Justin Edelstein: It's like... an afterthought, it's like we have to do this. I don't feel like they care to innovate on the Mac version of Excel.

Jason Atwood: I mean I could just go through all these sort of products that they have and just say oh you went here and I don't know. I mean. I feel like it's an unfair criticism.

Justin Edelstein: Because you're not gonna jump. to go use some Microsoft stuff. But some jump,

Jason Atwood: If someone came to me and showed me and showed me stuff that I was like, oh look, this is incredible. I have been known to go look at different devices and go, oh, that's really interesting. I love that stuff. Yeah, I'm very tied to Apple. I just don't feel like I could,

Justin Edelstein: Even if, again, I'm really just playing the devil's advocate here, I don't feel like if I could come to you and say, let me show you this experience with a Windows Phone, a Surface, and a desktop PC and say, watch how the three of these things really work together. And how much better they are than your Mac, Book Pro, your iPad and your iPhone. And just show you how they all work together. And if they, I don't know, but even if they were awesome. I don't think you would even try to change.

34:53 Jason Atwood: No, no, no. If they if they if they were awesome in terms of like, it was a great functionality that actually I couldn't get on the Mac platform. And I was then and brought something to my life that I I've I need. And I was like, oh, that does something that I have no work arounds for. I have no whatever. It is literally a game changing moment. then I would definitely consider it. I mean, I would definitely like investigate it. Yes, it would take a momentous thing to get me off of it, but we'll talk about that in my pick of the week, but it happens. I've been known to make gigantic switches in my technology. I also think that they, that they,

Justin Edelstein: There are two places where they,.. In the enterprise, they they have I still think they have a very strong hold in the enterprise in certain areas where well, how many enterprises are not using the office suite and Outlook and exchange? Oh,

Jason Atwood: Yeah. They really change is probably there. It's probably even more than office now, because.

Justin Edelstein: Even still everyone's got Excel on their desktop. Yep, and they've got Outlook. How are they using exchange?

Jason Atwood: Yeah, they've got that SharePoint So then there you go. There's my question and then four things that have happened to exchange in the last 20 years. It's a server I have no idea. I know Google puts out input puts out new innovative ways to do and I have an email outlook in a really long time.

Justin Edelstein: I so I don't know what it can and can't do. Look at terms of like the newest outlook. I have no clue what it can and can't do in terms of mail. It's awesome app as a client mail app. And then I think in in on the other side, I think on the consumer side, they are a more affordable option. Like if you want a Windows PC, it is cheaper than buying an Apple PC. At that point, though, I will then want a Surface. It's cheaper than an iPad. Right. But unless you want the super high end Surface, and then you're basically buying a laptop. Well, but unless, well, that's the thing. But if you're, if you're at the cheap,

Jason Atwood: Cheap tablet, okay, when I go get an Andrew, get a, Kindle Fire or an Android tablet or whatever. There's a lot more competitors in the market space now than there used to be. I just don't feel like the innovation is there. I don't while I think he I even read his biography many many years ago and he talked about the virtual wallet and all sorts of stuff

Justin Edelstein: But do you remember what Mark Benioff said about, about him during that Benioff? Yeah, said he was the the happiest ever been ever since he left Microsoft. That's right. So here, here goes He's miserable guys.

38:00 Jason Atwood: The funny thing of course, which is a tiny story We'll move on to our pick of the week, which is that his first day back in the office He spent the entire dayB trying to install 8.1. He couldn't even get it to work. He had to call in VPs and whatever to install it on.

Justin Edelstein: How does his computer not just be brand new with 8.1 on it? Why would they give him or did he bring his own device? Install 8.1 upgrade.

Jason Atwood: Microsoft found a struggle for hours to install the 8.1 upgrade. He had to call in Mike. That's not a good endorsement. That's terrible. He's some of the new CEO. who attempted to help with insulation but with no success. That's just funny. Why is that even going out? Why would you get the CEO? frivolity. Go get the tech guy.

Justin Edelstein: What's the CEO going to do?

Jason Atwood: I know. Because the Olympics officially started yesterday. I'm going to predict that in three months you're going to pick a roll cut out.

Justin Edelstein: Absolutely. So I was looking at some of the the apps and this one is There's not a whole lot of fun It's just a free fun thing that you'll play with for like 20 minutes and then That's it. Like it's not gonna change your life. It's not super useful.

Jason Atwood: Will it bring will bring water to your hotel room if you're in Sochi? Paper you can put it in a bucket next to the toilet And New York went after It was such a huge thing with plans and architecture and you had to have all this stuff. How did these guys win this and like then not build down 50 billion dollars?

Justin Edelstein: Five zero B billion finish hotels. I don't understand it. But anyway, this is not a one last comment.

Jason Atwood: So she nothing worse than then. Like you talk about okay, so toilet paper putting in the bucket next to

41:12 Justin Edelstein: No, I don't know what they Whatever anyway, so the visa. Yes a big sponsor of the Olympics came out this app called the visa 360 cam okay, I'm gonna go take a look now and it's free I like and all it is is like they have like seven or eight videos on there of U.S. athletes who are going through like their training exercises for the Olympics. Okay. And you get to watch their entire like training exercise with a 360 degree view. You can like spin your phone around and see like all around what's going on. So, so you can imagine from their point of view. OK, so they have three cameras. One is like you see it as they see it. Right. One is you watch them and the other is pointing up at their face.

Justin Edelstein: So like you can watch their face roll expressions as they're doing it. so like imagine a ski jumper. Yeah them go down the ski jump and jump and this one landed in a pool and she was like practicing and they landed in a pool but you can do it for like a freestyle skier who's doing like a half. so you can watch the skier kind of and as they do their jumps and their twists you're kind of jumping and twisting with them it was kind of fun you do it you know you watch it like a few times and then you're down with it But I was looking for some good Olympic apps and instead of like ones that like metal trackers and this that and the other I'm sure NBC has a really good one to watch stuff live and whatnot.

Justin Edelstein: But I went with this one visa 360. It's just a fun. It there's nothing to it. Really.

Jason Atwood: It's nothing to do not Even try it. Like don't even download it. Don't even download it. Whatever. All right. I won't even share. well, mine is is a story When I was a little person, you're gonna make this into a big deal aren't you? No, I'm not but I'm going to make a pic So we have you know cloud computing company basically everything we do. We don't have servers We don't have any hardware other than laptops and routers Everything we do is in the clouds basically But one of the few things that we do and did do up until this point that was sort of what I would say not cloud-based was accounting. And I've always complained that I think the accounting world online has been terrible and generally has been very terrible.

Jason Atwood: I evaluated QuickBooks Online years ago when we started Arkus as a way, oh, let's look at the online version of thinking, oh, online, it'll be easy, we can get to it. It's all the things you want. It was terrible. Three years ago it was like, you had to have this one browser. It only worked this one way. It was terrible to enter stuff in and I just, eventually I said, no, I'm not going to do it. So recently, because of sharing of data and stuff like that, I decided to look at QuickBooks Online again. And so much so that I not only did QuickBooks Online, I migrated us from our QuickBooks offline to QuickBooks Online, and we've been using it for, I don't know, a couple weeks now, and I really, really like it. I totally run in the books.

44:34 Jason Atwood: Yep. Very scary. That is very scary. Totally run in the books for my phone. But here's some of the big features. One is, obviously it's online, so you can get to it from anywhere. They have made a lot of, not all of, but a lot of the features that you expect inside of QuickBooks. So they've caught up a lot. The other one was, I'm not going to make this a pick, but I might make it a pick in the future, which is there is now, because it's online, there's better abilities to sync with things like Salesforce. So there are. There are apps to do that and maybe that will come up in a blog post soon enough. Anyway, but the real one that I think that I think got me kind of interested was they have two apps apps, one for iPad, one for iPhone.

Jason Atwood: I'm downloading the iPhone one right now. That allow you to log in and you know, obviously you can view but it's all, you know, you can view stuff but it's really well designed and it's like easy to create a customer, create an invoice. I can I can mark invoices Paid and stuff on there? You can mark invoices paid. You can send them. When I go to bank, I can just like click, click, click. It'll generate the vin voice, put it as a PDF from your iPad. This is gonna make my job a lot easier. So anyway, QuickBooks Online, it's many different prices. They start with like a $16.99 and it goes up. You will pay more in the end for QuickBooks Online than you would if you bought the software. And I think that's...

Jason Atwood: Pretty much the case of anything except for probably like Google like you don't pay more like $50 a year What can you buy $50 a year? But like even CRM's or stuff you you pay

Justin Edelstein: Depends on upgrades and things like that and scale right so You know it You can probably there's probably somewhere in the middle where If you have this many users, it now costs more to subscribe to a risk than it does to own the thing and just scale up your hardware.

Jason Atwood: So it, it's not like, I wouldn't say it's a cheaper option. It is definitely easier option. And there's great stuff. Like you can let your accountant. Log in, you log in stuff like that. So anyway, I'm kind of back, I'm impressed with Intuit. They've been a company that has really disappointed me in the past. I've been using their Quick In software for almost 20 years now and I continue to use And then, how about this, after and after using QuickBooks-Books Online, I went to see Where's their QuickBooks? Where's their quicken online? It's called Mint. No, they killed it. They had a quicken online. Now it's called Mint. Right, but I was looking for the pay version. I was willing to pay. Like, if you had one that was like $10 a month or $5 a month, I was like, all right, I'm in.

Jason Atwood: If it's good. Go use Mint. Yeah, home Mint is free. And I've made that my pick. All right, so that's it. QuickBooks Online. And again, there's an iPad and iPhone version that really make it super useful. Speaking of super useful things, why don't you follow Justin at justettleston, me at Jason and Mattwood, or Arca Sync on the Twitter, facebook.com slash Arca Sync, Dreamforce portal group, success community group. That group is getting huge now. LinkedIn, you can follow the company on LinkedIn, we post all this stuff. We're in Google Plus. Yes. And always please remember to go to iTunes and leave us a review there. That really makes our day. We appreciate it. You can also shoot us an email or hit us up in one of the chatter communities. More than happy to say hey.

47:54 Jason Atwood: Until next week we'll be back with... I'm not sure what we're going to talk about next week but we'll figure it out. Maybe more of the same, maybe some of the Olympic stuff that's going on. There's some cloud Olympic news. We'll see. This is Justin Jason saying enjoy those cloudy days. Thanks for watching.