Salesforce 15 Origin Story - Episode #171 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:17 Jason Atwood: This is the 171st episode of Cloud CloudFocus Weekly is brought to you by the Permissioner by Arkus. Mass assign and revoke Salesforce permission sets. It truly is permission sets made easy. Hashtag spring 14 is not ready for mass assignment. Available for free on the AppExchange or go to thepermissioner.com. I and and leader of the reading of promotional material. My co-host for today. And today only is Justin Cr How are you doing, Justin?

Justin Edelstein: Are you reading my face?

Jason Atwood: Is that what happens? Oh, yeah. I was looking deep into your soul. I am cranky pants. You I crank cranky. You're crankier. Oh my God. Well, you know, it should make you feel good. Get out of my way. You the way.. You know what should make you feel good? No. No. Being on the mic and talking to our fans. Wow. Send your comments to atjust blog posts to talk about that are on. We have Salesforce 15 to talk about, we're going to tell our Salesforce origin stories. And we have a little bit. Talk about- Spring Fling, AKA Spring 14, AKA Where are you hashtag boy that was put off a long time. time. Then we have a little preview of two blog posts, one coming out this week and one coming out the next week.

Jason Atwood: Just kind of like Get people excited for what's coming. And then we'll make our CloudFocus app pick of the week. Let's get it started with the two that went up on blog.arcasync.com this week and last week. But first let's start with your weekly apology.

Justin Edelstein: I'm not apologizing for you.

Jason Atwood: Oh, that's right. I was away last week. See, the difference is I don't have to apologize because it's actually working. I was flying around the country. I don't think so. Not at all. They don't miss me. Not even a little. They're not the only ones who don't know where the podcast is. Nope. The thing is we gave them one last week. We didn't give them one the week before. So like we kind of we fooled them recorded on we recorded on one week and we published it on the next week So then you feel like we didn't have one but we had one for last week Yeah, sorry about that we it was a hectic week of travel and there was new time and to do a. So So there you go, but we did get to writing some blog posts because those happen regardless Even if we can't get together in the same spherical table and talk.

Jason Atwood: So let's talk about the two. Why don't you take one of the two blog posts and just give me a little overview of what's there and why I should go read it.

03:23 Justin Edelstein: Sure, so I'll just take the chronologically the older of the two. Okay. A review of dataloader.io. Nice. We've done a lot. on the blog post or on the blog about data loading tools and just tools in general reviewing them. We've done Jitter in a bit we've compared Jitterbit to the apex data loader. I don't think we've ever written anything about data loader IO so we had the chance to use it recently because we were working with a client that had professional edition And in professional edition of Salesforce, you don't have access to the API. So you can't really use the Apex Data Loader. You have to find something else to use. You can use the import wizards,

Jason Atwood: But it's slowing me down. Can I just guys rat-hold this for a second? Sure. Have you been able to get the new data wizard to work?

Justin Edelstein: I don't even try it. But have you got it to work ever? No. Have you tried? Every single time? Once just to see what it was like and I could have used it. I presume I just didn't, go all the way through it. And the next time, as soon as I dragged a file onto it, it, it erred on me.

Jason Atwood: So that's my experience. Every single time I've used it. And it's not just like- I haven't tried it. I tried it. Since it went G.A. I tried it last week. Oh no, I haven't. And I got this weird error and I just don't, I don't know, I just,

Justin Edelstein: I'm stunned. Yeah, it's not like pilot or beta anymore. It's still does. Oh, it does? All right. Well then I feel that it's acceptable to...

Jason Atwood: I'm using a CSV file.

Justin Edelstein: I mean, it could be a lot of things. Chrome, Safari. Could be latest versions. Could be a lot of things. All right. Never know. You don't know. As long as it says beta on it, and if it doesn't work, it's like, all right, this is like beta. But it isn't the point of beta, so you can use it to see if it works. Yeah, so if it works, it works. If it doesn't, it's like, oh, it's beta.

Jason Atwood: Okay, go ahead. So data loader IO by MuleSoft. Nice.

Justin Edelstein: So we needed a way to basically get, we needed error logs and files and... We needed to export not only import because we're doing a kind of like a export that data so that we can then get it in the right format and then in a very repeat or Someone had to redo it every Pretty neat. so how was it getting around the API's? I don't know why you asking me that question because I don't know. It's not my product. I didn't build it at mule soft.

06:42 Jason Atwood: I don't know. I didn't do it.

Justin Edelstein: You know, they, they do have some limits, like certain number of rows per object or something like that. But I don't know why. or how their It's there, it's free. Go for it. So we use the free version. They do have a more robust version, like a professional edition, that comes with dedicated support, connections to more than one environment, FTP support. So you can almost build a little integration, a very light one if you use their professional edition.

Jason Atwood: The world of data integration tools has really grown.

Justin Edelstein: Makes me wonder when Salesforce will stop supporting Data Loader, the client. Like they're going to be working on this data import wizard and then there's like jitter bit and data loader and answer never.

Jason Atwood: And I'll tell you exactly the same reason why, why would someone go build, go build their own permission sets, assignment rule when there's a totally free and useful app out there is because there are some organizations can't go and get third party apps. And so if they said no data loader anymore, gotta go set third party app.

Justin Edelstein: All those organizations. with a free tool. But I think with the tools on the platform today, you could do that without the data loader.

Jason Atwood: But how would you have it automatically pick up a file sitting on a local area network?

Justin Edelstein: Maybe not on a local area network. That's the point. Maybe on an FTP or something.

Jason Atwood: But the point is the way they're using it today is they're taking the data loader,

Justin Edelstein: That you can write. I am quizzically, looking at Justin quizzically looking at me, but I bet if put to the challenge and someone could figure that out. You know what, what that has to happen and it's beacons and it's not nice.

Jason Atwood: So anyway, that's why don't get rid of the data loader. Tested a few of them, but I can't spend enough time with anyone to become an expert in it So I feel like I just go back to data loader which is the you know Mac app The next one is a fun blog post by yet another Arquis associate never to to be named Although her Twitter handles at the bottom of it, so figure that one out is the Conga Composer 8 preview. So Conga Composer, for those of you who have been ever listened to the last 170 episodes of this podcast, is an application on the AppExchange that allows you to take data within Salesforce, reports, queries, and build them into external documents like, PowerPoint, Word, Excel a PDFs, a great great great app, done by a great company and they make a product called Congo Composer.

10:19 Jason Atwood: They have great support. They have great support. We get nothing other than we just run. So Congo Composer 8, their newest version. Million dollars. Million dollars. Every time I say their name. They are releasing a new version which is coming soon. I think we have a beta or we testeded a beta. It has a lot of new features. I would just, say go read the article. Go read the blog post. It does talk about it blog.arcasinc.com and there's stuff in there. The big on really is just the wizard to build stuff is now much nicer looking and so a lot more drag and drop. And in fact they're sort of going against their competitor Drawloop which had a, I won't say had a better wizard. But kind of had like a just an easier drag and drop wizard.

Jason Atwood: So now they've done a lot of that. And so great stuff. Go read up on it. We posted a... blog post about that. Coming soon. coming soon. with a screenshot. with a screenshot. with and a little hint as to coming up because we may not ever do another podcast ever again. Well, you know hey Justin might be on vacation again. No Until may oh, it's gonna be terrible.

Justin Edelstein: We're gonna be a bad month. Can we record like six little like ones? That don't of anything newsworthy like oh, it's this we have to figure that out 2014, 2014 will be out by then and we can talk about it.

Jason Atwood: We should just record one now, but how cool We're just killing. Oh wait till we get to that little segment Deaf Anyway, one that's coming up this week, those two, those two, those two, but enough reason to go blog. We have one coming up this week, probably post, so maybe by the time I hear this about synchronization sort of reviews of different synchronization tools for. tasks and calendar events to and from Salesforce, so other than Salesforce Outlook. So that's kind of interesting. And then next week, which I've already written, it's actually written in my private folder. a Why don't you share it? Because I don't need to share it with you. But that's just, with everyone, man,, should you share it? Nah, because I want to read, because... Unlike some blog post-players, I want to read it over a couple times to make sure it sounds right.

Jason Atwood: And, and, but anyway, it's called, it's, it's, I haven't really officially titled it yet, but it's about 10, it's about my sort of being on Salesforce or being on Salesforce, being on, GTD for 10 years. Yes, drugs. the productivity drug of GTD. So I think it's 10 years on GTD or tips from 10 years on GTD, something like that. That'll be next week. prospective we'll talk about that. That actually might be a good one to do and then store. We're gonna do a double like to do that one and store it because we could kind of review, I think it was almost a year ago that we did our. G2D that interview right so we could because it's been 15 since Salesforce. So hashtag Salesforce 15. They've been asking the community to tell their stories and what's your hashtag Salesforce 15 story.

13:51 Jason Atwood: So I figured us two who do a pretty much big Salesforce podcast, but with other stuff sprinkled in- for the fun, we would tell our origin stories, which is the best part of- Any story the any superhero story so these are our stories like

Justin Edelstein: Part four right now Story origin stories the origin story like we're not in the sequel We're like we're well into the prequel at this point

Jason Atwood: We're in the trilogy that we're in the quadrillion. Where are we? We're very a very very far along So I thought it'd be kind of fun I mean, I think we we have over the years spread in our you know, when I did this when I did that But since it's since it's Salesforce 15, let's tell our stories So why don't you start as you always do I do always start with I like to finish No comment. I'm gonna leave that one. I'm gonna leave that right there. You leave it right there. There it is. Oh, made of worse.

Justin Edelstein: Is it? It's Tuesday.

Jason Atwood: Is it Friday yet? I just want to let everybody know. It's a Tuesday and we sound like it's a Friday. It's been a tough two days. So why don't you start off and give us your origin story. Alright... I'm trying to think of I think it was 2007.

Justin Edelstein: Hold on, hold on, sound effects. Toodaloo, Toodaloo, Toodaloo, Toodaloo, Toodaloo, Toodaloo. Like looking around for hints, and I don't see any hints. I can figure it out. So what is this, like, when I first came across Salesforce? Yeah.

Jason Atwood: Salesforce, your origin story.

Justin Edelstein: All right, so I think it was 2007.

Jason Atwood: Because then I get to tell my story, and we have it be so much better. Right. It was 2007.

Justin Edelstein: Go for it. And. We, you and I, were working together at the large company that remains nameless to this day. Although I think we've named it a few times. And we had a project to do a suggestion box. Right? So someone came to us and said, Hey, I need to build a suggestion box. And like this guy got up on the whiteboard and started drawing databases and here's how it's going to work. And I need a database to store all this feedback from people because it's coming in through a shared inbox and it's getting crazy trying to track it in Excel. So we were gonna build a database application to help route these things and help people try and solve these suggestions and you know basically in a high-touch way and I think you had gone one afternoon to what was Cloudforce event in New York well before cloud force Exist you have to give a year here.

Justin Edelstein: It's just 2007 so it was It was before cloud force was before force calm. It was salesforce calm and you called me from the event And you said hey this thing is cool like you can do a lot with it And I said to you, I said, can you do? I'm not going to give the name of the project. Why not? Can you do we hear you with this?

17:12 Jason Atwood: And you say, who are you protecting at this point? That company doesn't even exist anymore. So so you were like,

Justin Edelstein: I don't know, probably. So that was like my start was I was working for you at the time. And and without even knowing what you were talking about.

Jason Atwood: Can we use it for this project that we just got a lot of money?

Justin Edelstein: There it's on the table. It's next to the other So, you know, you ran into the reps for that company. I'm sorry. He stalked me He's well, he was gonna find you you had your name badge on and it had the company name on it So he found you and. We had a meeting with them the next week and. In true Salesforce fashion. Like I think it was a week later, we had a working proof of concept up and running. And First or my first project with the system admin He's no one else was like you're the system administrator Then you know what that meant I didn't know what responsibilities I then had, but 25 users use web2case for... feedback from 25 I mean, it was like, you know, it was like a weed.

Jason Atwood: It was crazy. It became what it was. I mean, part of the thing, and I'm sure people listen, is a cheering and saying absolutely, but back then to really do anything that you wanted to collect data, process data, move things around, you had access, you had Excel, and then really you were at this cliff where you then you needed. Jack, ready to build,B No,

20:35 Justin Edelstein: It was less than that. I remember it was half that. Yeah.. B entrenched in it. Like it was like every moment was just working on, it started with that one little project and then ballooned into many many others and if I wasn't working on a project I was playing in the sandbox box and I was doing something with the help docs and building out stuff and I remember when like sites came out and like mocked up the website on sites. It was like oh look at and showed it off to people and it was pretty fun stuff. Yeah,

Jason Atwood: Incredible, incredible platform. Well, my story starts... Wait, hold on, let me do it again. Come on, Grandpa. Let's go, Grandpa. So my kind of story is there's two pieces to my story. My story, starts a little bit before that because I actually... All this sort of two fits and starts. One was in the year 2000. Way back in the year 2000. If Salesforce is 15 years old and 2000 is 14 years ago, then this is basically the beginning of Salesforce where I was, I had just been hired away from a firm where, where I was the head of, IT for a 60 person firm. I was pretty young at the time, 25, 26. So there you go. Do your math. and I had this great job and it was the middle of the IPO technology bubble right before it burst.

Jason Atwood: I just had this feeling that I can't sit here with this great job in a not corner office but in a windowed office in the world trade center. I know, sad. But I just had this great job, this great corporate job. There was nothing wrong with it. But the only thing that's wrong with it is I thought A all these people out there with what I felt like was less knowledge than I am are making millions, and that's wrong. And b, I'm too young to be in this corporate job. This is like the corporate job I should have, you know, in 20 years when I'm sitting in an office and I get in, I do my work, and I leave, I got good benefits, and yada yada yada. So,.. So I got offered to come to the startup.

Jason Atwood: This little, literally the fourth person on board, this little startup, that's goal was to help education and build tools for education. It was called Got School or Great Online Tools for School. Not a great domain name, but whatever. And so this person, I was the fourth person, they actually hired me on the side to do a little work and then they kind of liked that I did the work and then it was my ex boss from my current job and she hired me on. And you know, we were building small business stuff. So everything we had to do was sort of like, you know, let's do it sort of technologically. So we did IP phones. I mean this is again, 2000 and we were doing VoIP phones, pick. Pick up your VoIP phone. And one of the greatest features of it was that you could take it home.

24:19 Jason Atwood: You could take your phone, put it in your thing and then connect it up and it would ring just like as an extension. Because it was all over the internet. We did obviously websites and things like that. But when it came to sales, what did we want to... What was the thing we were going to do for sales? You know we looked around and again, again, internet company building internet tools with, you know, actually we did have servers. But at the time we were like, you know, we need to be doing internet based things. And so I worked with someone else who actually is still a buddy and still work with. And we found and... It's kind of rolled out, kind of a small roll out obviously to a small company, Salesforce. And it was, I remember looking at it and playing with it.

Jason Atwood: Again, I wasn't in the sales role, I was sort of in the IT side, but it was very, you know, very rudimentary, very tabby, kind of like flat tabs, had a few different things in it. And the 2000. version of Salesforce was... pretty small. My favorite part of the story is years later at Dreamforce, I think my first or second Dreamforce 2000, 2007, 2008, I was sitting next to I was sitting next to somebody, our premier support person, and we were watching maybe you, maybe up on, so maybe it's 2008, and I was watching, you know, you up there presenting and not paying attention, because that's who wants to pay attention to you. I turned to our premier sport person who he knows what he's listening and he knows what I'm talking to. I said, Hey, can you look me up?

Jason Atwood: I because I knew I was in Salesforce and I was like, can you look me up and see find my account? You know, because they're all email addresses. All email addresses are unique. And he did. He pulled me up and pulled up my record. And I still. I still regret that I didn't get a screenshot because it was when I first logged in and when it was created but found the record. And then there took a gap as I went to work for the company that we never talk about which no longer exists. And then it wasn't until I actually started using it personally in I think 2004, 2003, I was running a small, like, kind of... side business and me and my side businesses and I basically wanted the track and I just thought you know what I remember that tool and I Went on and purchased license.

Jason Atwood: I had one EE license No, I actually went up that I think I went from group to professional and then eventually I had one EE So I had a friend tool. I think two years ago. I had it for eight years I had one EE license where I tracked customers and their you're a big big account It was a massive you know with that renewal every year that took them months. Yeah, new me.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah Do you recall I don't know if you were if you were there or not It was that it was definitely in New York. So and this was a cloud force event It was like maybe three or four years ago when Our sales engineer from the big company was talking and he had been he had worked he'd worked at Salesforce for a long long time Yes, the one with the balloons. Okay, and table and he He had a way of vlogging into Salesforce. Like into some shadow version of it somewhere and it was the original Interface. Oh, yeah, like original original. Yeah, it was like when this new interface came out Right like the nicer tabs kind of the version we had before chatter the version right and this is still like the same UI as chatter except there's chatter, but It was It was when this first came out and it was like, oh, are you going to turn on the new interface?

27:53 Justin Edelstein: And I was like, yeah, well, eventually turn it on and, you know, whatever, maybe like the browser compatibility or yada yada. And he's like, you want to see the original one? I'm like, how? Yes. So he logged into something and showed it to me. So I have actually seen the original original interface. And you're right. It is like, it was very much like, here's Excel. like Yeah, no inline editing, it was like, it looked, it had the big square buttons. Inline editing didn't come around for a while. It had,

Jason Atwood: I mean, it was, I mean, it had the basics. It had tabs, it had side nav, but everything else was very, very basic. We just think of your like, you know, 1999 website, that's what it kind of looked like. And again, they took a lot from Amazon, so. Remember the original Amazon was all color-coded across the tabs on the top so books And they only had three tabs like books music other but they were all color-coded So when some Salesforce kind of copied them they make color-coded everything and they sucked the color-coding for the most part Well Amazon has gone off and stopped color-coding things. Yeah, so anyway, there's our origin stories It's fun. It's fun to look back. I have a, I actually have a doc that is the 10 years of Dreamforce, where I track all the Dreamforces and who went and whatever, and I have, you know, which years, you and I went to, because, you know, sometimes it's just fun to kind of go way back in time.

Jason Atwood: All right. Speaking of way back in time, there was a time... Oh, that's the other thing is I've lived through, personally lived through, I don't know, 30 releases? I mean, how many have I made over 10 years? I've at least lived through 30. A lot of releases. This is the second release that I've ever been, that I've ever known that was Vistalade. And the other one was... was, like, five years ago, six years ago? Remember that one that was, like, delayed for a while?

Justin Edelstein: In I'm reading through the release notes, like what is,

Jason Atwood: What isn't? It's gotta be something. But it's here now, here's the thing. There's something in the org now. Yeah, there's something now that's happening. That is messing up performance. We know it. We know it, I'm sorry, it's no longer a rumor. Whoever's running my case can no longer come back to me and tell me it's about. About filters or anything. There's something in there. And you saw something the other day, like what do you see on like a dashboard or something? You sent me a screenshot.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, an inline dashboard. word. I might still have the screenshot somewhere. Let me see.

Jason Atwood: And it was like it was just bad code in there or something.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, it was like a code snippet. And I feel like that's what it is. It's like the analytics have gotten so heavy in the org and they've turned on like these trending type of things. They're just storing a lot in there. And I feel like our org has suffered and I feel like pulling all of those inline dashboards off of our page layouts, I feel like they kill it even though they load independently. I feel like there's something with the amount of power that needs to occur between the reporting on I almost feel like they're using their reporting engine to do more than they have in the past and it's suffering aight.

31:20 Jason Atwood: Yeah, I don't know and it's one of those things that I wish is a little bit more visibility into because it there's definitely something going on. There's definitely performing issue and it's definitely and I'm and I'm saying here is tied to spring and I feel like in pre in setting up for spring they hit these issues. KELOLAND dot com. And we've been noticing them. But it doesn't feel fixed. It feels like... So how is spring coming, spring 14 coming? I know how spring is coming. Which one comes first, real spring or spring 14? I think real spring. I don't think real spring. a real spring is like next week. I can live without spring 14 for another whatever. Well there's some amazing stuff in it. I was even talking to clients last week as we were, you know, doing this road show and..

Jason Atwood: Not that type of roadshow, it was not getting funding, but it was talking to Salesforce customers. And we were talking about replacing the intranet and things like that. And we were talking about endorsements. And now, I guess Spring 14's alive in the community, or at least maybe the chatter piece of it is. And so you can do things like endorse people for topics and things like that. That's very cool. Like an announcements is in the org, in the... community org some neat stuff. So I hope they figured out again, and the only way it really bugs me and you know, we when we praise and we just spent our origin stories praising Salesforce There's something about this that just doesn't ring true about There's something going on and I think they should be honest about it and say there's something going on We know that there are maybe inconsistent but sporadic and deep performance issues that you might be performing, we are working on it but kind of just not saying it and deflecting tickets that I'm sending in and saying, no, no, no, no, it's your filters.

Jason Atwood: I'm like, it's not filters on a report with 17,000 objects. That's a tiny, tiny amount of, and I have a filter on it and I put...

Justin Edelstein: Multiple filters R on it any who if you're reporting across 17,000 objects like topics is taking the toll on that system every time you type ahead a topic it's looking for it and then like topics is just getting bigger in spring i mean i hit the chatter tab it takes longer time to load i hit the home tab it takes a long time to load it's like why are these tabs taking a long time to load like all right if a report isn't Oh, I have my favorite list and stuff right there.

34:27 Jason Atwood: All right. Well, speaking of your favorites. Look at that. It's gooey right there. Well, it wasn't bad. You didn't like just make that one up. No, I didn't.. Oh, see, sometimes you have to make them up. Let's do our CloudFocus app. Pick of the week. We skipped it last week because we made 20 picks. 10 good, 10 bad. So, yeah. So, you must have some sitting ready to go.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. So, this one came from a listener. First time listener? Tin Rocket LLC. Okay. Okay. They make this cool app called Waterlog where basically a picture and it takes, it's really cool the way it does it, the way it renders it. It basically turns a picture into like a watercolor. So like into a painting. Okay. It is really cool the way it Just the visualization of how it does it yeah because you put the picture into the app You can either take a picture or you can go into your photo library It pulls the picture in and it just skins the picture right down into like a black and white sketch I don't know how it does this it just and then it gets all the lines and then you tell it like which kind of filter to use for the painting and then it like paints it in front of you and it just takes like a picture what is crisp a crisp image and turns it into like a water-colored painting and it's just a really beyond just being able to create cool looking painting out of your pictures yeah it's just cool the right way it does it like it it just does it really really really it's just so interesting.

Justin Edelstein: Say cool one more time. It's cool it's cool I don't know what else to say about it it just does it if you go to their website waterlogapp.com they've got a couple of them a couple of them kind kind of like going on the site so you can watch how it works like right there on the iPhone. So I've done it with a bunch of photos and Like it works really good with, in my opinion,. Portraits of people and landscapes. So like we have a really great view skylines by our neighborhood, Skyline NYC. Take a picture of that. You go into the water log and you... hit one of the paintings and it really looks cool. Oh yeah, it does.

37:28 Jason Atwood: I mean, I feel like this effect has pretty much been around forever under like Photoshop, but it's cool that it's kind of doing it in real time or on the phone. It's just watching it happen. It's kind of fun.

Justin Edelstein: That's very cool. Waterlogged and it's $2.99. Well, guess it was more than $2.99. to say I bet it was like $3.50. No, It wasUTF.

Jason Atwood: For just a coffee. Maybe it's a large coffee. And I guess, I mean, I guess I go to, I guess I went to to Duncan today. And I got, it was $2.60 for, well, they have the great one, which. Is like 17 gallons of big coffee. Big coffee. Last you all morning. Styrofoam cup. Yeah.

Justin Edelstein: I was just surprised you would go there and get something in a styrofoam cup. Yeah of all people. I know It's kind of not you I don't really do it's not your

Jason Atwood: Thing No, like if I I replace all that plastic with soda stream i'm a sort of stream guy now I would see you like your own cup like,

Justin Edelstein: You know how you combine yeah, you should do that I should I think you're gonna if I did daily I would but I do like once every three weeks. I know And you're the guy who doesn't take a bag That's no matter what pretty much.

Jason Atwood: You'll take a little really see me walking on the street with like juggling because I can't just juggle it If I could if I

Justin Edelstein: Could just like six lives and eight bottles of tonic water What do you do?

Jason Atwood: I'm now I don't even take tonic water. I don't buy tonic water anymore. I make it with so stream If I could juggle coffee in my hands, maybe just have them pour it into my head. Pour it in my mouth. Thank you. Here's this funnel. I was just, I was just, I don't know, something about three. And I, and the other thing is it gave back, they gave like three, I actually paid in cash, which I never do anyway. And they gave back thought. And I was like, this is.

Justin Edelstein: Doof Here we go. Oh man lots of stuff going on. All right. I I might pick of the week It's not the coffee not the coffee shop

Jason Atwood: Sweet leaf at in LIC in Long Island City come by anytime You might see some sales force people hanging out our neighborhood after seven o'clock you can get beverages great beverages And then then to go your credit card because they're 15 to 20 dollars each.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah But they're good and they have fun ice. Oh, yeah, they have great ice

Jason Atwood: But you need to have a cocktail before you go because waiting for your first cocktail is painful

Justin Edelstein: So I have like three cocktails before you go. So you only have to have one while you're there. That's right Well, you only need to build over there. It's it's all it's a lot of so what's your pick? stuff to drink It's a terrible.

40:37 Jason Atwood: It's the worst podcast ever. You've destroyed this but I have not I have destroyed this

Justin Edelstein: With the grumpiness and putting stuff on the table.

Jason Atwood: I'm like staring at it. They're still right there. They're sitting right there. All right, so this is a crazy pick for me. And it's sort of a half pick because I did it out of frustration. I went to it for a bit and then I came back from it. And you know, it's sort of my backup plan now. So under Mavericks, OS 10 Mavericks, the newest one that you're still not using, which. I would say don't. I'm not. Mail took a huge hit. That's not good. No, it took a huge hit. Not good.B And I was. What I want to hear. And it, it, it, the, the filters started working weird. It's thing with Gmail. It stopped working. It would, wouldn't check. It had problems. Well documented. I'm not making anything up. Okay. So they released some whatever 10 9 1 10.9.1 and it was supposed to fix all stuff.

Jason Atwood: And I, you know, maybe I was in the middle of traveling or whatever, mail just literally started to not work for me at any kind of level. And I just reverted to going back reverted back to using Gmail. And the probably using Gmail on the Gmail on the web is fine. It's great. It's great for one account, But I have like seven accounts, and so I want to have something that can. I'm going to find one and I'm going to, I'm going to use it. So I looked and well, Sparrow member was bought and then sort of discontinued. Members bought by Google. So I didn't use that one. I found a couple others. And I found this one called Air Mail. It's the number like, for rated, excuse me, paid app on the AppExchange or on the App Store.

Jason Atwood: It's Air Mail by a company called Bloop SRL. Whatever. And highly rated $2. So I was like, okay, for two bucks I'm going to try it. And now everything that you have, all your mail is all stored. in the cloud, so it's like you don't have to shift things around, you don't have to move it. Download it, install it, and here's my take on it. It's a great light app, because what it doesn't have is a lot of history. Like you can't go, I couldn't even figure it out because I played with it for about an hour, but like when you search, you're kind of searching across whatever, whatever it has. Like... the 200. It's kind of like having, you know how you have on your, on the phone, on the phone, like search server.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, it didn't seem to work that well when I, and it doesn't have things like, you know, in box like filters and things. I couldn't get into it that well. So it's like kind of a half pick. But what it was was very light, very fast, and, and worked- with Gmail. And so it's kind of, you know, it is my travel mail now. Because when when you're on an airplane, You don't want it to try to index 400 things. I have so much mail sometimes that mail kind of bogs down. I want something like my iPad, my iPhone that just can grab the last unread messages. Let me pound through them quickly and then close it up. And you know obviously saves things like tags and things like that. So anyway, I played it for a bit.

43:54 Jason Atwood: It's Air Mail, it's $1.99. It's got lots of features. Here's the one I really like. It's got a connection to OmniFocus. So I haven't played with that, but there's a way to click a button that goes right into OmniFocus, which is kind of neat. So Air Mail, I was almost all the switching over to it until I found the two things. one, the search is not as deep. as Apple Mail search. Apple Mail search is like, I literally searched the other day for something in 2004. I said year 2004 and it found it. So like for me, I need that history. I need to go back far and fast and this thing didn't have it. So this is sort of like light mail. Airmail, it is $1.99 by a company called Bloop SRL.

Jason Atwood: It's definitely worth a shot. Again, if you want something like, if you basically want the iPhone or iPad experience of mail, on your desktop, this is great. And that's where I would put it in the category of mail. Not a full switch from mail yet. Mail has gotten better. It still has some stuff I've got to figure out. Makes me so angry. All right. Speaking of things that don't make me angry, following Justin at justedlstein on Twitter, telling him why not to be grumpy. Follow me, Jason M. Atwood, and tell me how MuleSoft gets around the API. Follow ArcaSync if you want to hear all the blog posts and all the podcasts as we put them out. Facebook.com slash ArcaSync. We're in the Dreamforce Portal group and the Success Community group. I still don't know why those are separate.

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