Winter 16 - Episode #230 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:17 Jason Atwood: This is the 230 This episode of Cloudforce Weekly is brought to you by Clonest user, calling an existing Salesforce user with a click of a button by the desktop or in Salesforce One mobile, available free on the AppExchange or go to www.clonestuser.com. I'm your host Jason Atwood, joining me co-host Justin Edelstein. Hey, bud. Is it the winter of your discontent? It's getting close. to winter or your discontent?

Justin Edelstein: Maybe a little bit from column A, a little from column B.

Jason Atwood: Well, we have a winterized podcast to talk about today or agenda. We have two blog posts up about winter and then I think you know winter has hit our orgs. We're starting to see it hit customer orgs. We're having lots of conversations around it. So maybe we'll do some Some the good the bad the ugly or the great the awesome the terrible. He's making the I don't want to I don't want to talk about this on the.

Justin Edelstein: I'll talk about whatever I've got things to say excellent so was first talk about service. Salesforce service enhancements. Do we not do my rapid react? one or did that already get talked about? Oh, did we not do the rapid? I don't know when the last time we actually podcasted is because that's usually like the overview, the first one. All right, well, let's do that one then. Let's start with that one. By the way, we should mention, I did make a guest appearance on another podcast. I mean, we're not mentioning that. That should mention it. It's blasphemy. It's blasphemy. Not blasphemy, but I made a nice, at Dreamforce, I made an appearance on the Technology Flows podcast. You're dead to me. So you can go to technologyflows.com and listen to me. Do you release CloudFocus Weekly?

Justin Edelstein: Famous host of CloudFocus Weekly famous infamous and our kiss and all that other stuff. So yeah cool Yeah, I actually saw it. It showed up in my podcast Podcaster thing the other day and having a chance to listen to it. All right, it was tough. The recording was a little awkward But okay, I thought it was very good. I listened to myself.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, I like it Alone in a room The time let's do alright, so we'll start with Salesforce winter 16 release notes rapid reaction Yeah, wasn't so rapid cuz the

Justin Edelstein: Release notes were like at Dreamforce time Right and we were in the we were in the middle of our Dreamforce series yes, and soon enough we'll just start blogging more than once a week and just Jump in there and be able to have enough It's in one blog go out a week that will probably happen sometime next year. Yeah, I think so but in the meantime I did my normal Reaction won't even call it rapid And I started off as I think you kind of have to with the release notes and especially just a generic reaction to them with the lightning experience coming out and I'm sorry what is this lightning experience you speak to? Well it's a whole new sales force. Well do you have to install anything? Parker you just turn it on just turn it on what do you install on a lighting boy?

03:42 Justin Edelstein: You just flip us what do you just flip over? Anyway, the so the lighting experience is out. It's GA. It's available you can turn it on via a permission set and You can make it accessible to your end users I'm going to sort of stop there. We're going to talk about it. Because we'll talk about it a little bit later. But that was kind of the big thing. I also thought that I went I like to when I do my little rapid release note reactions, I like to pick little features that I think make a big difference. So set audit fields upon record creation. This is something that you could always do, but you would have to ask Salesforce to turn it on for you. you'd have to set a ticket. So this is when you're doing a big data migration and you want to set the created date, created by, modified date, modified by, on records from another system.

Justin Edelstein: You could always do it. You'd get like a two week grace period. to open that up and do and it was through the API. So now you can do this on your own. You can go ahead and turn this feature on, and whenever you want to insert data into those fields through the API, you can go ahead and do it. It is behind an org wide setting that needs to be turned on. And then the permission to actually do it needs to be assigned via permission set or profile. But it's nice to not to be able to do this work without having to put in a ticket, right? Or put in a case with Salesforce, and then they ask you why. And then you're like, I told you why. And then they're like, what org and you're like, I put that in the ticket and then...

Justin Edelstein: You know, four days later you have it.

Jason Atwood: So that little, little dig. That is its own. Well, I'm always surprised by the amount of things that Salesforce, and I guess they're making better or getting better at them. The amount of things that they make you put in a ticket for, you know, to turn on or to enable or stuff like that. You would think that the cost of building the feature versus the cost of handling the Deluge of tickets and the frustration by end users. I go that's a ticket.

Justin Edelstein: Oh, that's a ticket They've done it more and more recently though email email relay Ticket well now you can long as any user now you can log in as any users So that's another example of the one something that has recently been turned on and an admin can just take care of. So I I I I you know in the in the hundreds of pages of lightning experience and how we're gonna reinvent the universe this means something to me. He sounds and so bitter. I love it. I can't wait for you.

Jason Atwood: I agree when I was reading the and I have not finished them. I gotta admit. Me neither. Because it's. Kind of tough to get through this time. It's very thick. Because it's very like, right, it's very lightning eyes, and I usually read it not so much for, I guess it's almost like when the first Salesforce One Mobile, like when Salesforce One Mobile was released, the release notes were just packed full of mobile stuff. Because that's to explain the whole entire situation. I almost want there to be like a release notes without lightning.

07:02 Justin Edelstein: Yeah, because I don't care about it. Because I'm not using it. Well, we'll get there. I've got to get to features that matter that have nothing to do with that.

Jason Atwood: So that, we'll leave the other two in there for the user to go read, but that's at blog.arkasync.com. It's called The Rapid Reaction. You can go read that. Then we'll go on to the next blog post, I guess for three behind. Salesforce service enhancements for winter. Okay. So it's all about the service. and of course starting this one too! It's kind of tough because guess what gets a refresh in Lightning? Well the service console. Interesting enough, which is actually one of my most... I actually like... This is one of the Lightning Eyes things I think that was sort of nice. But it's not opt-out. This is a you get it and you No,

Justin Edelstein: So Sales console if you're in the lightning experience is a lightning eyes sales console But if you're not in the lightning experience your service console if you're not in the lightning experience You're still in the lightning service console It's interesting because it really does change your universe in terms of, you know, if you've built any buttons, like you really have to prepare for this thing.

Jason Atwood: And this so this is one of those because I was at a meeting with a client and they were talking about this and we were talking about sort of the, you know, what is usually turned on. We're actually talking about releases and all that. and I was with some Salesforce people and they were saying, oh well, you know, usually you get to pick what you want to turn on and it's all opt-in and then this one came up and it was sort of an example of where that's absolutely not the case. This is one of those things. So, I mean, if you're in service already and you don't already know, I mean, there's lots of nice stuff in it. It's not that different. I mean, Lightning compared to Aloha is very different, but Service Cloud Lightning and Service Cloud...

Jason Atwood: Aloha are not that different. They're very similar. I mean, there's just small changes that if you didn't tell someone it was lightning, you just said, hey, it got a small refresh with the UI. They'd be like, oh, great.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, because I saw the lightning sales console. Because we turned it on and enabled. Don't allow ourselves to switch back and forth. And. You know what? That was the problem. It was if you were Lightning enabled, and you were in Classic, and you jumped into Sales Console, you immediately went into the Lightning version of it, even though you came from Classic.

Jason Atwood: Right, so you had to turn yourself off. You had to say, you know what? I don't want Lightning. I had the conversation with him today. This is the partner that shall not be named. loves the sales console. We were experimenting and playing with Willow Lightning and our org since last week. And I put it out there because again, I'm the admin I guess of our org. So I said, hey, if you want it, let me know and I'll assign the permission set using the permissioner. I didn't actually, but I'll assign that to you. a choice if they wanted to play with it or not. Some people just like, I want to get off my work and I'll see it when I see it. So a few people asked to have it on, he asked to have it on and then I guess.

10:14 Justin Edelstein: I didn't even ask, you just turned it on. Oh, but you didn't really? You just did it. Oh, okay. Well, I thought you were gonna ask. I would have just turned it on for myself, but whatever, you're the co-ad. But. It was sort of weird because he's like, I have to, I have to be unenabled because of these things. I actually went in and fixed a lot of the things for him because a lot of it's just like, where is this now? Or you put the action on the layout so that you can do with things. It was like, I'm on an opportunity. I can't create a task. Right. It's like, that doesn't make sense. And I think this is the thing that, sorry, I'm going into my whole thing. Well, no, this is where I think lightning,

Jason Atwood: This is where the conversation should go, is while lightning is a brand new experience, it is, this is one of the few over the last billion years that I've been doing Salesforce work, that I would say, take your time. Really take your time, Cause... You're not you're not gonna speak. This? Is when you really need to test and you,.

Justin Edelstein: Pilot and try and use permission sets to pilot this thing a lot big time with very specific users With very specific use cases. Yes start with sales, please Right don't go don't go over all over the place like Operational aspects that use a lot of custom objects and things right start with Goes into this weird

Jason Atwood: Thing and it takes a long time to find my tabs and., My big advice to you is take your time and open up a Word doc or doc or Everno or start to write a list. This is a list of things that either I need to change as an admin because you're going to need to spend some time adding and moving and shaking some stuff. and list of things that just aren't going to work and you're going to need to wait for. And so, or list of things you're going I need to replace the functionality a, and so. So, okay, we'll get into more of it. I Yeah, you can go read it.

13:32 Justin Edelstein: I mean, there's lots of stuff on here. Live agent, I had a question someone very early on when we first saw the lightning experience which was Back when we saw it and they were saying, you know Earl hacks so to speak right air quote and JavaScript buttons and things like that are not gonna work in this experience. So anytime you're like passing through an ID in an URL. So like a lot of buttons to reports link that have custom links, lots of links that just don't work. So. You know, we we use conga. And. and how it works in the lightning experience. The whole thing is driven off of If Anga is listening to this, feel free to or whatever. I want to know how you're handling this. a page. They would have to read their entire solution to work differently.

Justin Edelstein: Their whole entire solution is based on passing parameters through links from a page. A record.

Jason Atwood: Let's go to this support page and see if they have someone that says, Hey, Lightning users! Hey, don't the Antarctica, in Does not have complete parody with Salesforce classic. A list of features and gaps can be found in this Salesforce site. Oh, that's a good site. That's a good site. Let's book that. Of particular importance is the lack of support for buttons and reports in winter 16 ways. We hope we'll see these in future. If you choose to use Composer within lightning source, you must convert cognitive Composer buttons to custom lengths. In addition, if an existing Composer solution uses Salesforce reports, you must... Replace the reports with sequel queries. So you have to do queries We big hand like this. We recommend that you continue to use Salesforce classic mode as a mixture you can write

Justin Edelstein: They need to start thinking about like the architecture of their solution because their competitor their drawl competitor They just handle all that in apex.

Jason Atwood: They they I think that what they're saying is hey listen Yeah, we're we think that it's a salesforce needs of Make this work and I bet so for like yeah, we're not gonna make custom work works No, I don't

Justin Edelstein: Think they are I don't think they are. I don't think I think Earl had all that's going away All right, let's go on to never officially been supported anyway. That's what they can always fall back on. Oh, that's That is something that I would fall back on if I say hey man We told you not to do this stuff ever. We've never told you that was a good idea. We've actually told you not support it

Jason Atwood: I bet I could find some Salesforce documentation that tells you how to build a custom button with Earl's. I bet you can't. Yeah, like a Salesforce documented thing with an Earl hack.

Justin Edelstein: No way.

Jason Atwood: Well, a button is not a really Earl hack.

Justin Edelstein: I mean, it is, but it isn't. But like, that's what a conga button is. It's kind of an Earl hack. Yeah. All right.

16:35 Jason Atwood: So let's go to... My blog post, for Finserv. You want to start it off here? I will tell you the toughest part of writing this blog post was trying to find stuff that was sort of not, not lightning, like, cause it's tough to kind of get through there and find not lightning stuff. So I picked two lightning things that I think are... Cool, and and I think these are sort of my positives like we're talking about the list of things that are very cool about lightning The new dashboards are I think for anybody pretty much in any industry but if you're in financial services and you want to have new analytics, you know the bond the The the chains have been broken on what we can do and really it's been rebuilt using more wave You know front-end technology the Everything looks much different.

Jason Atwood: It's all the new vote, it's all the new graph types. Columns. You can do multiple columns. Not only can you do more than three columns,

Justin Edelstein: But you can spam columns. Right. It's the coolest thing. You can make something really wide. You basically have those scrunched up names of things.

Jason Atwood: Right, you basically have a grid and you can go wide with certain things. So I will say. Be careful if you touch it and put it in lightning, they can't see it outside of lightning So like once you I went to edit one and they're like if you edit this It's not gonna be available in Salesforce classic I was like, oh clone user So it's just yet another one of those things put it on your list of oh if I create this really cool dashboard For lightning. No one else can see unless they're in lightning. It just doesn't exist for them and then the one that Excuse me. I've talked about in the past Actually I'm gonna go, I'll go to SalesPath, which SalesPath on the mobile is okay, it's good. It's like, it's a nice feature.

Jason Atwood: It kind of feels good. I don't do a lot of updating of opportunities on the mobile, but the idea and the concept around it taking, making your, making a graphic element out of your, your. stages and highlighting fields and showing you what needs to be done. That's my favorite part about it is the coaching piece.

Justin Edelstein: So a sales manager can really standardize when you're in this stage to move it to this next stage, do these things. And they're right in your face. And it's just basically training building. And you have no excuse for saying, I don't know how to get it from here to here. Right. It's like, well, if you can't do those four things. then either you're incompetent or move on to the next opportunity and close it. Like close lost.

Jason Atwood: So that's what's, I think that's a very nice, it's a very nice feature of Lightning, those two things.

Justin Edelstein: I like your other one here, the relevancy of search results. Yeah, so they're not necessarily a. specific to finserve, but just the idea of having search be better is just anytime you can make search better for me is a bonus.

Jason Atwood: So search better. Yeah, so it's basically about how they split up things and and and earls and things that make them just easier to show up in results and there's a nice little table they show you it's like well if you used to search for this you used to get no results. If you search for now you get this result and it's like, oh, that's what I want. So a lot about characters and things like that. Right, comma ink. Like something comma ink. Yeah, well, Earls is the best example. If you search for, you know, Arkus ink, you would get, bring back the whole thing. www as before, wooden, so basically they're breaking up. breaking up the things into their parts. My guess is there's some other stuff. I know that there's work going on in search.

20:11 Jason Atwood: There's always work going on in search. So I'm always about getting better search results. Me too. All right. So let's get into the actual, let's talk about actual lightning.

Justin Edelstein: I think we've been doing that. Have we not?

Jason Atwood: Have you played with it? Have you jumped? and dove in and tried to use it. Well you know me, I'm a Saturday morning release date guy. Get in there, get it in, and walked in, I enabled, I read through it a little bit because as much as I went through the trailhead, so if you're thinking about learning about lightning, I said it's a great place to start, there's some great trailheads on there. the Lightning, there's an admin track, and there's a sales track. So you should at My initial reaction is... I guess my like breaking boiling down to its core its essence we took it down to its essence is Great start It's a long way to go. That's my thing. It looks great. There are some pieces of it that I think just look awesome and are great and I'm like, as a new UI and how it's handled, some of it I just think, wow, neat.

Jason Atwood: I'm excited. And then it's like, okay, now I've got to use this, and that's when I just can't, I just can't. I'm like, I can't use this, because there's so much, so much of this is not working with the way How's that? So this to me is is Lightning Beta. I know they don't want to do that. I know that's not that's what they want. This is Lightning GA and this is GA and this is for everybody right now. To me, this is a beta. They've released it. Now we, the Salesforce users, and this is why even when, Salesforce makes these massive changes and things that I don't freak out as much as I would with other companies. Because I know the feedback loop for Salesforce is good and works and I trust it, meaning we're going to find hundreds, thousands of things that we no longer work or need to work, and we're gonna start reporting them and we're gonna start putting them into ideas.

Jason Atwood: And I know that that will work. We will talk about the ideas, we will get them voted up, we'll see them get, and I know over the next two, three, four releases, this thing will become. will start to really, really, really work. And at that point, you know, the adoption level will go up, and I'll feel like, you know, oh, great, I can't wait. So to me, it's a really cool beta. It's got some really neat features that we've waited for a long time, but it's certainly on my day-to-day when I'm living in Salesforce working. I don't have it on because there's not enough on the good side to keep me there and there's enough missing that I can't work. It's just in my day expressly used sales force, you know, 10, 12, 14 hours a day.

23:19 Jason Atwood: That was my kind of overall thought. You?

Justin Edelstein: I'm not as big of a fan. Just at all?

Jason Atwood: It's slow. Well, that's true. That's why it's this to me. That's beta. It's like it's a bait. It's slow It's beta. It's gonna get them. Let's call it beta. Yeah, I You're calling it beta.

Justin Edelstein: Well, but I'm but I'm a big wig. So I'm gonna call it. Let's call it what it is I mean, it's it's not fully there I mean, there are some cool features. I like going to my my open opportunities where I'm the project manager and seeing like a nice staged out view. And that's awesome. Track my my work pipeline. That's cool. I like the board board view.

Jason Atwood: But other than that, like in my numb.

Justin Edelstein: Charts inside of this is really cool. I mean, it's cool visualization stuff. I feel like there's a lot of wasted space on this page. Every page pretty much has tons of wasted space on it. And the fact that you can't customize what tabs show up on the left and in what order they show up. And all of a sudden you lost the chatter tab, which I thought was very useful because it served. a lot of purposes, like it had your feed, it had people, it had groups, it had files, it had everything in it. Now they're all different tabs again. And you can't really, like, I don't know why is cases like the last tab? Like wire cases so all the way down at the bottom, they're so much less important than like, you know, notes.

Justin Edelstein: Really? Like that just doesn't make any sense to me. And that you can't do anything to it is so anti-s I'm not a salesperson. So this quarterly performance thing here doesn't make any sense to me. What works for me? What do you mean it works for you? You set your goal. Because it's not just yours,

Jason Atwood: It's company. Are you sure? I'm looking at it. It works for me. Meaning I can see the goal of our goal for our company. I'm looking at it. So that's a learning thing, right? I'm looking at it. I'm seeing where our goal is and where it is. I said it. And it's actually showing me it's showing me where we are. I like that. You know, there's there's again, there's lots to like, but there there are just choices. You're right, the navigation. having gone from something that we fully customized and said, this is the way our navigation should go. They've now said, no, we're going to tell you which way it should go. It should go this way, right? And here and you're going to kind of live with it this way. It's home opportunities, leads, tasks, files.

Jason Atwood: You're like, oh, well, OK, well, those aren't those aren't the important things in my life. So that's kind of kind of an issue. But again, I think those are things I just. those things I just know they're gonna change so I'm not too worried about yeah account insights not

Justin Edelstein: Useful yeah not not I mean not my big thing there's there's one thing showing and it's cloud IOT lift Salesforce comm into new buyzone mine actually how is that actually like relevant to anything for me see mine actually has a client of ours well it's a view all let's see if there's like anything that means There's one. Yeah, there's another one two three Four five seen three so far. I'm scrolling through like a big list. Yeah, not very useful Anyway, I I'm not as you could tell not a huge fan. I Think it's a start. I don't know. I'm not gonna go with it's a great start I think it's a start.

26:54 Jason Atwood: What I do. What I love landing on, I love landing on a navigation element and getting a list view. Start.

Justin Edelstein: What I'm more looking forward is the framework that this thing is built on. And when components. start to become more Prevalent in the ecosystem and you get to start just dragging and dropping them all over the place So let's so let's talk about that because I think that's that's what's

Jason Atwood: Getting lost in this conversation that I think we need to bring Bring to the fore front some positives sure well Positive. I just don't see it the way you see it I see it as I see it as just this beta and I know that's not a beta, but it's a beta I'm sorry. I'm gonna call it a beta, and it's got some really cool stuff And it's basically their way of showing off their new UI componentized experience. So they're showing it by building these components and saying, hey, here's stuff that you're going to be able to do. This is where, because again, lightning is a new user experience. And it's also a lot of brand naming, a lot of branding on lightning. But it is at the core, I think the most important thing is it's a rebuilt result.

Jason Atwood: Front end to Salesforce that allows for some serious, serious, high level customization that we have been wanting for many, many years in these components. And components can be built or bought, and they can be dragged and dropped around on the page layouts and sort of create a whole new experience.

Justin Edelstein: Can they be done in the desktop yet? I don't know that yet. I don't think so. On the mobile, you can sort of drag them and drop them as little apps. I don't think so.

Jason Atwood: I don't think so. So I think that's sort of what's, again, it's hard to tell what you've seen in Dreamforce and what's coming and what's there. But the components, the idea of a component, if you think of your page, if you look at your page in Salesforce and you think of the different sections and things while enlightening all these different Thanks for watching! areas are components and then you will be able to write new components or put new components, drag and drop. So creating an account page with all sorts of different things on top of it, right, that are totally custom and in the area that you want to do that you wouldn't be able to do before. And literally drag and drop. So I think that's what's gonna be super exciting and where this is really going.

Jason Atwood: And so I guess I'm just like, well, okay, the UI itself, the way it work is slow and it's not the way I would have built it. But I feel like where it can go with all the componentizing and the way it'll work across the devices and things like that is so important. I don't think you can do it yet. Cause I'm looking at...

Justin Edelstein: I'm looking at a page layout, opportunity page layout, and the page layout editor, even in the lighting experience, still looks very much just like a classic page layout right when you're in the edit mode.

Jason Atwood: Which by the way, setup's been totally revamped and it's actually pretty nice. That's what I, that's one of the things, so what I'd like to be able to do, here's my suggestion of the week. I'd like to be able to turn on lightning for setup.

30:02 Justin Edelstein: Yeah, because lightning setup's, I mean, slow, but it's nicely laid out. Right.

Jason Atwood: So even the calendar, the calendar's much better.

Justin Edelstein: Yes, the calendar is better, but you don't have multi-calendar. Right. Like, I can't look at more than just my calendar. This is all the missing stuff. The fact that it has its own tab. It's kind of neat like in tasks due to why they're not next to each other is beyond me Why they're not customizable is really the issue I mean why aren't tasks and calendar right next to each other and why is calendar in the middle of people and groups?

Jason Atwood: Well because calendar people and groups. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense cases

Justin Edelstein: Am I just looking at it because we have it in some weird order or are they in the same order for you too? That's the way they are. Yeah, that's just who thought of that

Jason Atwood: Decided that that was a good idea. The thing is, I bet you they spent so much time talking about where things go and how they work. That is just like, I don't know. That'd be funny.

Justin Edelstein: That's like task calendar, task calendar, people, groups, files. Like that's how we,

Jason Atwood: I don't know, whatever. Well home opportunities.

Justin Edelstein: I mean opportunities is an opportunity is like the pole position. I guess. I mean that's the money object in this. in this environment.

Jason Atwood: It's Superman in my blog post. Alright, so we've talked. Let's talk about, is there anything else that you're kind of excited about?

Justin Edelstein: Things you've been excited for the next? I'm excited for the next version of it. Yeah, and well, so I think for the next year, because it's going to be fun. The component thing really does excite me. the component exchange on the app exchange excites me cause I'm starting to see what people are doing in there and it's kind of cool stuff and this framework that they've given you to build out little mini apps, right? Really cool. And just drop them on, you know, the homepage, right? In theory soon, you know, just drop something right there on the homepage. Something that you couldn't do from a homepage. It's like, oh, this is something I do all the time. Now I can do it right on my homepage. It's kind of cool.

Jason Atwood: And, and I like that you can switch in and out of it and that the switching out of it is not definitely right. Cause if, if they made that tough to do, I think I'd be a little bit upset. but it is, although I'm not clicking on my user to try to get out of it. And I can't get out. Oh, there we go. I like that because it is something you need to experiment with, but I want to be able to jump in and out of it very quickly. Switch to classic. Yes, don't tell me. Go. Go to classic. And I think like anything you're going to feel, you're going to feel a little bit as the more you use it, the more kind of they get you in there, you'll find yourself switching back to classic and going, oh.

Jason Atwood: So. Right? So there's certain things I switch back to classic. I'm like, oh, thank goodness they're still here. Recent items are here. My tabs are here. And then there's things. Oh, custom links, which we use constantly. Yes. Like to us, that of our custom links. Custom links on the side, we have so much stuff. Bye bye. Half of our company runs off the custom link help things. Well, but won't that just be a? of. component slash customizable thing.

33:20 Justin Edelstein: What aliens? Mm hmm. I don't know. Someone will probably build a custom links component.

Jason Atwood: Here's who I feel bad for. Speaking of people who are building things. Cause we were one of them. We have products and we are, I guess we don't really care. We're in the midst of, we don't really care. I mean, it's sort of secrecy. What kind of thing is that? Secrecy-wise, we don't care. Oh, secrecy-wise. Yeah, because we're not. But we are, we're taking a look at and or rebuilding our apps in Lightning or parts of them or pieces or whatever. Primarily just as a way to get to know it. We've also, we've built something for a client using the Lightning Design Experience. Using the Lightning Design System. Sorry,

Justin Edelstein: System. Just a visual verse page. LDS. But we use the LDS to make it look the you know the new way Right and so that it would work really nice on a mobile device, right?

Jason Atwood: Well, what's nice is it looks nice today even in classic, right? It looks great in lightning and then when they looks great on mobile and then when they turn on lightning It will look like it'll just fit in so I think it's it's a nice middle ground and I'd be expecting I'm actually expecting people when they're doing this to doing that kind of like

Justin Edelstein: Building stuff in in a lightning design system is actually still not even like a 1.0. Really? It's not actually fully completely baked yet.

Jason Atwood: All right, so that's it. We're I mean, I thought we'll be talking about lightning for probably the next couple years until episode 300 So but for now, I'm I'm calling it Nice beta

Justin Edelstein: Someone just sales force will be like great Just spent like two years rebuilding our entire infrastructure and I

Jason Atwood: Know I and are you acts for a good data But I think that's the thing if this were Google this would be a beta. Yeah, I've been beta for four years It'll be a beta for four years.

Justin Edelstein: Isn't that fine?

Jason Atwood: Well, they just roll with it and then make it. When they rebuilt, and you don't even like the Google Drive, the new Google Drive. I've gotten used to it. Yes, I kind of like it now. But they wrote it out slow. I mean, they let you, I mean, it was at least two years. Yes. That let you flip back and forth, and eventually they're like, yeah. Because at first they're like, you want to try it? And I'm like, yes.

Justin Edelstein: And I'm like, how do I get out of here? This is terrible.

Jason Atwood: Okay, so I think use that as an example. That's exactly the way this is going to be. Yeah. Okay. Fine, that's the way it's gonna be and you'll say get me out of here is terrible and get me out of here It's two years. You'll be like, oh, I like it All right. So let's get to our quiet folks at the pick of the week. What's this next time on? Oh, I thought about a special episode special episode What about I thought maybe we would do a episode on travel

Justin Edelstein: Like fun places to go and things to see.

Jason Atwood: No, like I think you and I travel a lot. And certainly recently we travel. You think so? Yeah, we travel quite a bit. I mean not more than the average person. Do you know that only 30% of Americans have passports? Really? Yeah. I have like four of them. 100% of UK people have passports. Yeah, but they can just like go anywhere. Well, that's exactly right. I thought might be a good to do a To do a travel travel special episode and talk about travel and talk about not where we're going But like all the different types of stuff that we do we have different

36:43 Justin Edelstein: Just like maybe just talk about a little bit Before we commit to doing that one. All right, we'll do it next week. Anyway, so what's your what's your cell phone? Flap pick of the week. I'm sorry I wanted to pick something from the From the app exchange that is part of the component app exchange So the the component area or a component exchange or whatever you want to call it. Yes, it's not an app. It's component. It's called finder It's from Salesforce Labs, so heed the warnings of a Salesforce Labs product. It's free, and basically it's a quick find for across objects. So it's type ahead search. for everything. So it's using a component because this component has the ability to, you know, they're written in ways that sort of remote in right. As opposed to being like visual force pages.

Justin Edelstein: So using that. Framework they're able to. in a very performant way or I think I said that correctly.

Jason Atwood: That's okay. Performant? Yeah. A performant way? Is that not the way to say that?

Justin Edelstein: In a highly performant way? Whatever. Who cares? It's fast. You find things. It's a better search experience. Good stuff. So, yeah. Cool component for refining things. Type ahead. Fast search. Click on things. Put it on your mobile. It's cool. I like it. Minder. Very, very, very creative name. Yes, finder.

Jason Atwood: So mine is a, this is kind of a throwback because I'm constantly trying to find the perfect. Okay. podcast listener.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, me too. And because I don't look I just have one and I know it's not perfect. And I right and that's the thing.

Jason Atwood: So I've been using downcast for a while. But it started to kind of like, are you down on downcast? I'm a little down downcast. So I was reading something on site and it was like people were just screaming it from like articles popping up in front of me that Overcast, the podcast player, which used to be used to be pay, which is the best one, I'm hearing tons of people say it's the best one, it's the best one, your buddy Merlin Mann says the best one, Overcast is now free. and to give it a shot. So I've been using, so I'm picking Overcast, the podcast player. It's a lot of the same features that all of them have. It's got a couple that are a little nicer.

Justin Edelstein: I. It hasn't how many to keep and just. settings for that.

39:57 Jason Atwood: That is that it seems to be built a few podcasts because when you do settings you can do settings All the podcasts like only keep for this so like like it. I like it. I like it. Yeah, so I like that I like that. It's it's pretty good. I'm I'm I'm really I'm really enjoying it. I just downloaded it It's on my phone. There you know he's got some nice effects. Let's say I don't care about a fax. Well You have a lot of them wow I've a lot of I guess hey look it's Like that's kind of cool. Hey, that's us. Yeah, is it playing? Yes, playing. I have it turned down.

Justin Edelstein: There's a couple other ones that has a new... Why don't you just turn the volume up and we can just have our... It has something called voice boost.

Jason Atwood: Oh. Which kind of helps out. For voice podcasts.

Justin Edelstein: What other smarts are there besides voice? What would that be? Just like an album? have people done that? Put out an album as as a podcast like here. It's a full album. We just jammed. It's a podcast. It's a padcast album.

Jason Atwood: So anyway over overcast, it's got some nice features. I'll tell you the one thing that I really enjoyed. It's got free syncing across whatever boo-boo-boo. Yeah. Yeah, but you know what? It was nice. Tell me. It had a great import, so it had an import from downcast. Does it have an import from instacast? It might. That would be cool. I went in, I went in, it said, here's how you do it. I went to it, I flipped it over and it pulled in all my podcasts,

Justin Edelstein: I'll switch. Yeah, I really like it.

Jason Atwood: So overcast is a pick from me. Let's see, what's it got? Unlock. have some in-app don't know what they do. Overcast all right, let's wrap this puppy up. Yeah at just yeah at just Ed Edelstein at at Jason Atwood at Arca sink Next week with some podcast about something we'll talk about something. We can certainly talk about more winter stuff Maybe we'll find more stuff that we're excited about that's non- and stuff. Like what's not like being in winter 16