Blazing Trails - Episode #264 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 264th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the last week of June 2017! It is titled Blazing Trails. Confocues Confocues week is brought to you by Arkus specializing in Salesforce implementations consulting and Lightning development. Yeah, I just did that Search for Arkus on the AppExchange and read what our clients have to say about us 109 reviews now on the old AppExchange. Just saying good old AppExchange the old app some old app some Cartoon characters whose name I don't know the appy. Oh gIose I'm your case that would apropos and that Oh, hi. Hello. I got some feedback cuz we'll talk about we have two things on the agenda back feedback Oh, yeah, I got some podcasting feedback from who? I'm not gonna mention. No no no no no, not anonymous. I'm totally anonymous.

Jason Atwood: It's anonymous to you. Lame. Nope. Lame. Anyway, they said we were talking about it and we were talking about doing what we're gonna do in our upcoming series in July and the person, now I'm gonna give you gender, it was definitely Astro, said that like, have to make sure that Justin's in a good mood. I was like, Oh? Yeah baby, someone notices sometimes. You can be a little crankingatorium. I'm done.

Justin Edelstein: Cranking down. And I just, I'm packing it in. Exactly.

Jason Atwood: That's what they expect of you. Alright, so we have a, we've kind of, maybe we should set the scene for what's coming up and then talk today and then whatever.

Justin Edelstein: I don't care. I'm done. So you just do whatever you want. Yeah, I know. Oh god every every week So why'd you do that? What? Why'd you give me that fee? I don't want that anonymously. I didn't give you the feedback You did you were the for you just delivered that to me delivered it to you like a present. I don't want that Well,

Jason Atwood: That's so that's who said it the person was I don't like wanted you to be in a good mood for the fake casting fake fake news fake news fake comments, fake podcasting.

Justin Edelstein: No, no, name your sources.

Jason Atwood: Maybe this person will want to come the out and say, we stood in line together. So that person come out and say, that was like a puzzle. What was that? Well, that person knows who that person is. And that person can then say to you if that first who it is. See what I'm saying? I'm using code words. Hashtag code words. Hashtag astro. Hashtag who killed... Chatty. Let's go. So, it's the agenda upheavment for today. We're not... We're gonna... It's gonna be a strange series of months because we're gonna do a... coming up, which we'll talk about at the end of this podcast. This one we're kind of just going to cover two different things. We're not going to go over a blog post that are going to be piling up. So by the time we get back to our normal talky talky timey timey, in August we will have like 400,000.

03:25 Justin Edelstein: Blog post to talk about. I don even care about them. Oh, okay.

Jason Atwood: I didn't write it. I don't care as I think the Venn diagram is like there's a small tiny like two people who both listen to the podcast and read the blog post.

Justin Edelstein: Do you think that there are that most people People don't do both?

Jason Atwood: I think you're either a reader of the blog post. Or you're a listener to the podcast.

Justin Edelstein: I guess if you listen to the podcast you don't have to read the blog. Because we kind of give you a little recap. We just mess everybody's names as we... Well yeah, I mean that's a thing. It is a thing. Alright, so we got two things to talk about today. I'm still upset about this whole mood situation.

Jason Atwood: The point, the person just said it would be great if when we do this upcoming series that you were just a good person. Clearly by telling you this I've not put you in a bad mood. Who is she? Not it's not a she it's gender. Who is he it's not darn it. I thought I might get you there. Nope. Nope Who is this person over 10,000?

Justin Edelstein: Who's this humanoid? Nope Astro? Row here we go. Ready? No, I'm in a terrible mood now. It's gonna be a bad podcast Okay, well next week thanks person who won't be named next we've going come back to do our series.

Jason Atwood: Hopefully you'll be in a better mode

Justin Edelstein: Unlikely, okay Carry this for a month and you wonder why people say things. Okay, so now who's saying things?

Jason Atwood: Oh God and I have to deal with you every day of my life.

Justin Edelstein: We don't have to choose to I do have to.

Jason Atwood: So let's that's about our two topics. We're talking about two conferences. One, one The first one is talking about WWDC. So I'm a as Apple fans, we sometimes take a break in our lives to discuss things, all things Apple. And so we Are you showing me something?

Justin Edelstein: No, I'm just looking at my Apple watch. Oh, okay. Don't be distracted by me and my Apple. We are pretty much huge Apple fans.

Jason Atwood: So when WWDC comes around, which is now their only really big conference of the year, I seriously want to go at some year, they start announcing stuff. And usually it's software. So over the years, it's because it's a worldwide developers conference. It's much more software based stuff. And they usually announce the three, I guess they have four new, they have four OS's now. There's tvOS, iOS, Mac OS, and watchOS. WatchOS! And they're all at different levels, like ones at 11, ones at 2, ones at 4. It's a little odd. But... But this year, they actually announced a ton of stuff. So I thought we'd just cover some of the things. that they announced. Because some of them are hardware, some of them are cloud, and some of them are competing to products that you have picked as your app pick of the week.

Jason Atwood: Hardware. I picked a pick that was sort of talked about. Not really. So, it's been a while because it happened in the beginning of this month. But from the big standpoint, let's, again, new versions of OS, all the OSes. They're all coming and they're all the OS's all the OS's Lots of new features first time just putting out new features that are kind of only iPad specific which is interesting I actually have this thing on a la la beta. Oh, yeah, I'm a beta. I'm on beta and But I want to see that so the more fun things that they announced I would say let's talk about the couple big hardware pieces that were fun. One was the Mac, the iMac Pro. So for those of you listening, they've been changing up their strategy with hardware and they created this thing called the Mac Pro three years ago.

07:14 Jason Atwood: Yeah, it didn't really do much. Did not go over well. But about four months ago they announced, yeah, we're sorry. bummer on that one, but we're gonna do a new one. We're gonna do a new professional grade Mac, but it's not this year. So then Worldwide Developers Commerce comes around and they announced the iMac Pro, which is they took an iMac, a 27 inch iMac, and they stuffed a ton of power into it and it starts at five grand and it's in But then when are we getting a few of those? But everybody then said, oh, so that must be your new MacBook, your new Mac Pro. And they said, no, and Mac now is coming after. This is a way to get somewhere in the gap because there's still people who want that much power, but don't actually need to have even higher.

Justin Edelstein: So I can say as as someone who is married to someone who to someone who's in an industry that uses the pro. computing power of Apple. Yep. She is still using the old towers. Right. To edit. We call them the grates. The cheese grates. Yeah those cheese graters. Yes. She's got one of those with like two monitors hooked up to it. They never moved to the Mac Pro.

Jason Atwood: Right. So they are at least four or five years behind in terms of hardware. Easily. Well, a couple things. One, hardware and software, when you're in the professional, because my father uses one of those things as well, they don't update a lot. And the software has to be so tied to the OS that... It takes them years to catch up. So really I bet those Mac pros that she's on it are Year, they're on three levels of OS behind my guess at least they're not on the current.

Justin Edelstein: They probably aren't because Yeah, they wait and they would have to then they would have to

Jason Atwood: Yeah, they're very very they don't update so you can stay on old hardware because what does it matter?

Justin Edelstein: It does what it does I wonder if they'll move to these iMacs. iMac Pros. So they look,

Jason Atwood: I mean, they look cool because they're all space gray. But the, I mean, I think they could come with up to 16 cores. I mean, it's just unbelievable the amount they can do it.

Justin Edelstein: They put in it. Why have they stopped at 27? Why not 30? me.

Jason Atwood: I don't think people like, there is a thing that people don't like a screen over certain size. This is for editors and people who are doing creative work. You have three. You don't need it better. It's the dental pixity. When you things are so tiny. Dental pixity? Yes, the dental pixity. Okay, all right So that was one thing. Okay, it's cool. They refreshed though on almost all the lines and then they announced two new products Well one was a refresh Which they announced a new I pad we'll talk about later iPad pros iPad pros basically a drop down from the 12 inch iPad Pro to a middle one, a 10.5, and all sorts of new features and power and blah, blah, blah. You know what they did is they took the 9.7. Yeah.

10:38 Justin Edelstein: Which was absolute garbage. No, it was the great last year. We created the greatest iPad ever and what we did was we made a later sides and removed them sides are gone And it's the best iPad experience ever. There wasn't an Ivey,

Jason Atwood: There wasn't a Jonny Ive video. It's the greatest experience ever. He's never on stage. Sometimes yes, very rare. Years ago. But then let's get to the big announcement that I think is more fun to talk about because for one... This guy in his predictions for the year predicted it in December of 2016. I wrote a blog post and said that they were going to put out an apple dot. Google Home and so they announced the HomePod strange strange no but is a speaker that's a very round speaker with is it round siri siri built in and and and a chip in it so it has I think has a chip from two iPhones ago so it's powered like an iPhone which is kinda crazy and has Siri And is there is there sort of echo home automation?

Jason Atwood: Siri better be good on it.

Justin Edelstein: Because Siri's not very good elsewhere.

Jason Atwood: So Siri has been tweaked on that device to be very specific. And it can do things that apparently are pretty cool. Like it can. why you're listening to a song, you can say, who's the drummer on this song? So it knows contextual, not just what's the weather, which at this point is not a big deal, but it's like you can get deeper in. You're getting one.

Justin Edelstein: Oh yeah. You're gonna get two. Cause you compare them, right? You can. You compare them.

Jason Atwood: I'm not gonna get two because I feel like this is the one that's gonna have multiples of it and... Now the missing piece which is something you can talk to you can't talk to the Apple TV unless you go up to the little mic And say something to it and agree with the TV so it can

Justin Edelstein: Be used as a speaker for a and yeah they can be used as stereo speakers and it could hook to the tele somehow through the through the app right but it can be the audio output

Jason Atwood: In the Apple TV I think it could that That'd be cool.

13:45 Justin Edelstein: Yeah, I would do that. I'd be like hey Thing put on this show and make it loud

Jason Atwood: Well in I know you know this but you don't just need I mean two speakers to the left or not or left and right Not what you need you need kind of like all around but anyway, it looks interesting

Justin Edelstein: I just I can put those over the place like maybe four Maybe four of them. And now they're all just talking to each other.

Jason Atwood: And that that, a that a a I- of and and the that the and the there,, a That way because it knows it's just reverbing right off the wall So it'll it'll actually change the way it puts its sound based on the room. It's in Someone's drinking the appleade.

Justin Edelstein: Hi listen I I'm not a home my home greatest speaker ever knows that there's a wall behind it, what does speakers the speak. What other speakers you know that's so amazing what other speakers you know to do that so good Okay, good. Oh, oh, good. Oh, good. Oh, good, good.

Jason Atwood: Oh H, and So I've just been playing with the pencil upheavals. So it becomes just a pattern, so you don't have to unlock it or whatever. It just starts with a note that you can start drawing on. You do. but that's really, I mean, I've just been playing with it. It's not been a big... It's a toy. The The pencil is definitely a toy.

Justin Edelstein: For you. Yeah. Others R.I.P.s. maybe not, but for you and your work... Yeah, well there's a whole thing this screen... How about like taking notes, like I know you use Evernote. Yes. As opposed to Apple Notes. Yes, well... Have you been writing notes? Or... Me keyboard? Well, no, I know you do the that, but I have my handwriting notable. So the pencil you bought just to see what is, what is what. Because it's kind of fun. Have you tried any drawing apps?

17:02 Jason Atwood: !!!! I don't know. It'll be much more drawing than it would be writing. How's with the keyboard? So I really like the keyboard. the the pros on it are that the new OS with the multitasking and That if you know your key commands this becomes a little mini computer How's the dock the dock is great you have you're on the beta so yours is different than mine Yes,

Justin Edelstein: I guess yours is like a real like OS,

Jason Atwood: You know OSX dock. Yeah, well not officially it it's a bigger docket you can put more things in it. It's dynamic It will do suggestions on one side So it's kind of suggesting that I open up Netflix and Amazon video because I was watching stuff on the plane And then you can drag and drop off of it to like open up apps and then it's always there So you can kind of swipe up and the and the dock will show up. So it is It's stunningly like oh goodness like we're getting so this is the cross of these two. I mean a dock on the Mac is much, much, much powerful. But I will say the thing that I found interesting was it's so getting there, right? You're opening up apps, you're flying around, you're key commanding, you're typing away, and I moved from Slack to Docs to email.

Jason Atwood: And I think the idea that all these key commands now are in On the iPad and they're easy to do actually when you hold down a key It'll actually then pop up and say here's all the key cans you can do with that That that puts the keyboard you start to feel like this is a it's not a replacement for laptop But it's a light laptop replacement. to have coffee you could take your iPad and whatever you I'm wondering,

Justin Edelstein: Can I see yours? I'm wondering, there's these like three, ah, okay, that's what it's for. Yep. There's these three little, I don't know what to call these. What would you call that? It's a connector. Connectors on the side. And I figured it was for this case. Yes, because I don't have one. Right. Okay, so that's really for the keyboard.

Jason Atwood: Yes. So there's no pairing. It's not a Bluetooth keyboard. It just knows from that. But if it's not connected,

Justin Edelstein: If you, have it like sitting off to the side or something and your iPad's just not connected, does the keyboard work? No, no, it has to be connected like that. Right. And then it stands up like properly. Yeah. And can it stand without the keyboard in front of it? Like does the. Keyboard have to be where it is.

Jason Atwood: No, so you can do with this. Is there another folding method? I figured yeah, I figured this out the other day. It's had me. Yeah, there we go. That one. Okay, there we go. Right. All right. So that one you use a lot. But I'll tell you on like planes and things. This is not a good angle.

20:31 Justin Edelstein: Because it's kind of like you want to be, looking down. I'm unclear if I want the keyboard or not. I was gonna wait till you've played around with it a little to tell me like I want this or I don't. And I also really want the product red version, which I'm sure will come out at some point. Yes.

Jason Atwood: But it's not out yet.

Justin Edelstein: Keyboard version of it. No, I don't care necessarily, but it's not there, so.

Jason Atwood: My thought is whether I need to get another. like is this and i didn't do it but i'm gonna wait and just just use the just use this because it's both a cover and a keyboard but it is a little bigger than just just a cover it's oh my but do i want to have a cover that i want to be swapping off covers i don't think so so i'm i a stick with this i like it it's it's been great again i took it to trailhead dx which we'll talk about in a second i'm

Justin Edelstein: Getting on a plane in about a week so I'm gonna have to go by I'm not gonna take my iPad on the plane and not have a case right like it's not gonna because purely cuz it won't stand right well you can get a little piece of plastic thing to like

Jason Atwood: Have it stand again if you think you're this is gonna become a little bit of a laptop, a really close. It's not this,

Justin Edelstein: But it's close. So we both have these. We both love them. Yes. It is super fast. Super fast. Especially compared to what I was coming from.

Jason Atwood: Right, where It's a little big, but I guess because you're used to the I'm so used to the mini. Although my wife has the one the 9.7, which is roughly the same size. I love the mini side. I still think that was the perfect form factor for like holding your hand and walking around again. I was off walking around a conference. This too even walking around with it felt I used to remember walking around my mini. You've made it bulkier though. Yeah, but then I've given it more function. Because I can sit there and just use my keyboard and not have to worry about, you know. Anyway, it's really getting there. So that is my pick of the week. Let's talk about Trailhead.

Justin Edelstein: We got through that. Good. All right, Trailhead DX. Trailhead X? Trailhead DX. Trailhead DX. Trailhead DX with 1D.

Jason Atwood: Yes, it is Trailhead DX. OK.

Justin Edelstein: I wasn't sure. I wasn't there. No, it's not great. Tell me about Trailhead DX and people that you met and stood in line with. Sure.

Jason Atwood: I will, Astro. So I went to Trailhead DX and... Did you meet Appy? I did not meet Appy. Did that make you sadie? No, it did not. It's great. It's much more developer focused than I thought. Because I think in the world of Salesforce, developer becomes a very strange thing. Like in the world of Java, if you're a Java developer, everybody knows what that means. You code, you sit down, write code, and that's it. But in the world of Salesforce, it's a spectrum, right? Developer is developer up here with... Quicks? Okay, no. Is it quicks and process builder stuff? Is it formula stuff? Is it like there's this whole thing? Is it flows? Like where does it cross the line? Oh, I wrote a trigger. Oh, I put together a little visual force page. Like where do you go into like full developer developer all the way down to you.

24:20 Jason Atwood: I write nothing but code. And now we have lots of different levels of code with all the lightning stuff, which is much more about JavaScript than it is about writing Apex. So it was cool. It was really nice. It was small. It was just in Moscone West. Moscone North is gone. It's gone. to be a hole in the ground. you sweet. Yeah, it's crazy. Dreamforce is gonna be great. I don't well, huh? I know one way they're gonna get less people to go Have the opening price be seventeen hundred dollars Do that that's a one way to get less people.

Justin Edelstein: I mean or you can just stop selling tickets when you reach capacity There is not try to be the biggest conference in the planet. I don't know how they're gonna do it because that place is completely It's a hole in the ground.

Jason Atwood: There's no way. I mean, maybe call me wrong in four months. It's all done. But I can't imagine it. No way. It looked done. It looks gone. So so it was kind of nice. It kind of reminded me of the old school. Like it was like, we go to a world tour like, oh, it's kind of like that. It was like world tour, but a couple days, much better sessions. And it was very small. So like... What'd you do hands on? How'd you get your hands dirty? I just did a bunch of lightning stuff. more on the component side and LDS. They've announced a couple things. A couple, new things coming in the developer world. They had a keynote. Parker did that... Again, it was the first time I've been at a conference, a Salesforce conference where they brought up a command line and spent 20 minutes in the keynote on a command line.

Jason Atwood: It was like, whoa, that's- With the DX stuff. Yes, with the DX stuff. Then I went to another session where the guy was doing bash scripts and stuff like that. I was like, whoa, this is not the Salesforce I remember. So in that way it was very cool. It's actually good. There was some hands-on stuff. Did you build anything while you were there? I did. I did some of the lightning. I did some of the lightning projects. That's why that's maybe where my one little quip with it was that quip to go huh? Not talk about quip. But to go to a conference that kind of you then go to a hands-on session that then basically reads you through a trail or reads we go through a project on trailhead. I don't know.

Jason Atwood: Like that didn't feel... That was like a shoulder shrug to you. Well, I just felt like it should be different. Shouldn't it be something different than anybody can go? I feel like what's the point of being there? You're at the trailhead conference. You got to do some trails. Yeah, but it should have been special trails or different trails or I don't know. But that was fun. Special trails. Special trails. They were giving away... $10 for every badge that someone earned during that two-day period. Ten bucks? To Sierra Club. It's like cash? Yep. So I earned five badges during the time, so I pumped it up, I guess, by 50 bucks, a $50 donation. That's pretty cool. They announced stuff like DX. Okay, and the naming convention is getting whatever. but a command line tool to be able to pull.

27:31 Jason Atwood: Data in configuration and do scratch orgs and all sorts of stuff. It is deep. Like I just I barely scratched the piece of that And then a lot a lot of lightning a lot a lot of lightning like I went to one that I probably shouldn't go on Do is like a lightning enablement like here's how to get going lightning And that way I shouldn't have gone to that one. But there was one about building lightning components and sort of showing you. So it was good. It was really good. It was great to catch up with everybody, just see all the people, people in line, people complain about you.

Justin Edelstein: Whatever. But it was good. It was good. Whatever person, nameless individual.

Jason Atwood: Well that person- Sure some guts! That person has a name. Tweet me later. Well that person probably will. Do it. Once this podcast comes out. Do it. I dare you. I double dare you. It was good. I really liked it. It's definitely, you can definitely see the trend though. This is the second one. You can see the trend. Well, you know, destination success, its own thing. Trailhead DX, its own thing. Dreamforce, I'm thinking this is, they're gonna, they're gonna pull out these things out of Dreamforce. It's not gonna be, it's developers and partners and customers and prospects. I think it's gonna sort of split them out or what it feels like what they're doing. Stuff that I've read.

Justin Edelstein: On the on the tweeters yep was that trailhead dx was all the awesome sales force people without any of the salesy stuff that's a good way of putting it so like all the account executive salesy suits stuff that you know hardcore admins and developers don't necessarily care about right like They're just not there. Right. Geek out.

Jason Atwood: Yeah. Go for it. That's a good point. Now that you're mentioning it, right, I didn't get a lot of like, there wasn't a lot of salesy stuff. It's not a pitch. You're there. Right. You're there because you're a Salesforce developer. That would be... Let's teach you some stuff. That'd be my other feedback. And basically just because these two conferences happen very quickly, but when they're doing WWDC Usually at Apple Tim Cook comes up and he does a state of the Apple like state of Apple But he didn't this time he said listen we got so much going on right now Guess what kids apples fine. Let's get into the products like let's show you the stuff you're here for So when Parker gets up Then he starts running through and does the video and a start talking about their sales and getting to eight point four billion dollars in Sales and all that sort of stuff.

Jason Atwood: I felt like yeah, it kind of fall on deaf ears like that that should have been avoided it'd be like Normally, I'd sit up here and give you a big speech about how great Salesforce is

Justin Edelstein: Normally mark will be up here showing you a Line that's going up.

Jason Atwood: I line still going up But I think that I think it would be better to skip it because it was because when they got into the actual stuff Parker the person who you're talking to online because I could talk directly to him right now No, it was Parker. No, Parker doesn't know you exist Parker Lightning man. All right, so let's let's wrap that up Let's make your pick of the week and then let's move on and let's talk about what our well actually talks about next time So wait, I'm doing my pick.

30:47 Justin Edelstein: All right, do you pick for now? Do you pick first? Go ahead so when I really when I got the when I got the new iPad is I set it for the first time I set up a new iPad as a new iPad right I've always whenever I've gotten new iPads and I've had I think three this is my fourth iPad okay so I've always like just said yeah just set it up from the backup of The last one right so it's basically just brings everything over but I was like, you know what? Let me start fresh with this It's not a mini. It's a new machine. It's bigger So I started setting it up and Then I've never used the Apple news before like I've tried it And I've clearly set it up because it's on my phone and it's set up and I have a question for you as part of this pick.

Justin Edelstein: I'm picking Apple News. Okay, so as part of this setup process of setting up the new iPad, I set up Apple News. It like prompted me to, I guess, and I was like, you know what? Yeah, why not? Right. Like, I'll give this a shot. Like, I've tried like Flipboard and Zite and whatever those other apps are. Yep. Let's see how Apple does with this. They do well It's good. I like it I gave it all these topics and then as you read things you like you you know heart them and you heart topics and it starts feeding you more information about that and it's really well curated and it does start to get like because I've been picking it up every day and

Jason Atwood: Reading it right as opposed to going away. Wait, first of all All the listeners know you don't read so well. No, I read I don't read books

Justin Edelstein: So I I've been reading it instead of just going to the web and going to specific websites I've kind of just said like yeah, just give me news from that website. Give me a minute. Give me news from there and It's incredible how it picks up on what you start to read and what you like and it starts to surface and bubble more of those things to the top and I quite enjoy that. And then it prompts you from time to time like hey browse through some more topics. Add some more stuff to this thing. You can't really overload it. It's got a lot of content in it. I think the UI for it's great you swipe through things your heart things you go back you go forward to and It's always got new stuff in it now the question I have for you and again Apple News It's on any iOS device.

Justin Edelstein: I may not know but okay, so it doesn't appear as though Apple news on my phone and Apple news on my iPad are in sync with

33:47 Jason Atwood: I will say one of my, I think we talked about this, this is actually huge news that came out in the iOS 11 stuff, is that Apple now is going to sync your messages. So you think they sync them now. No,,, for now, I know they don't. They don't sync them. I know they download. They're going to sync them. Oh wow. So if you. swipe one on one side on the other. They're also gonna sync faces and photos, which I'm very excited about because I spend all this time doing the faces. And I was like, on both sides. And there's one other thing they're syncing. So my guess is if it's not now, it's the syncing of things because they figured out. How to encrypt it well enough. We're going to do do do do do do do do do do do do do And the new version of I Four weeks in a row.

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