Exactly Flatter - Episode #139 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 39th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the second week of June 2013. This episode is titled Exactly Flatter. CloudFocus Weekly is sponsored by Arkus, your card to beauty experts. I'm your host Jason Atwood, and joining me for the second time... In this new studio, it's Justin Edelstein. Justin, how you doing? I'm good.

Justin Edelstein: Thank you. Thanks for asking. How's the new studio? It's looking better than it was the first time we podcasted in it. It has some shelves and stuff on the wall. It's Arkey the Rock. It's got Arkey the Rock. It's got Appy Awards and Placards and Whiteboard is full of... drawings and architectural stuff and maybe then

Jason Atwood: Maybe next time we're in here we'll have the, we'll have our screen up.

Justin Edelstein: We had the screen up, we could throw the agenda up there, yep, and then we would only really need one computer.

Jason Atwood: That would be crazy. I guess it would be mine since I'm doing the recording on mine. Yeah, probably yours.

Justin Edelstein: We might have to test that. We might have to test that. Let's do a test podcast. Like on another podcast. On another podcast? We'll see if that works.

Jason Atwood: We do have an agenda today. First of all, apologies. Apologize. All right.

Justin Edelstein: So, my fault. Publicly. To everybody. Publicly. Apologizing. Was I here in New York ready to do a podcast? We were here in New York ready to do a podcast. I was in Massachusetts. Not ready to do a podcast. Not ready to do a podcast. And we did not announce prior to missing a week that we were going to miss a week. So we missed a week and we've now missed. Two weeks in the last like two months, which is kind of one of our worst stretches, I think.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, we only we are kind of focused weekly. So I considered a year long goal to hit 52 episodes. Which we tend to come really close. Like we think we... Because Dreamforce I think we double up.

Justin Edelstein: We definitely double up at We usually do like a Monday and then... I can guarantee you this week we'll probably do a pre-Dreamforce. And then they post dreamforce. We'll probably do an at dreamforce one, not two, and then a post dreamforce maybe after the fact, but nonetheless, we're at 139. And, a lot. That's a lot.

Jason Atwood: Deal with it. Deal with it. Deal with Justin and his. Let's, just get to our agenda. What do we got? We got a blog post, right? You wrote little custom button stuff. You want to move off the right?

Justin Edelstein: All right custom buttons. Yeah. Yeah, we'll get into that little Salesforce acquisition I'm taking over your role. Wow. All right.

Jason Atwood: I'll just sit here. Absolutely. I'm just here sound stupid then Oh, that's your role. All right.. There we go. Hey, you take my role. All right, I won't be here then next week That'll be your take over.

Justin Edelstein: I'll just put you on mute. Okay Salesforce buys some stuff Excellent. I would like to talk about that, you know, of course as Apple Geeks and and boys and boys and whatever you want to call it we We watch the WWDC keynote yesterday live streaming on the web, which was really nice and We'll talk about some of the takeaways from WWDC and then we'll end it all with our picks cloud focus at picks of the week

03:31 Jason Atwood: I was just adding one thing that I remembered. All right, so let's talk about the first and most and most important and most important. This is my blog post from last week. There's a new one coming up this week.

Justin Edelstein: I have written it. It just needs to go up b on the web.

Jason Atwood: Yes, it needs probably some love. But anyway, last week's. and I realized it's too big for Well, one big blog post, so I figured I'd break it into two parts. So I broke it into sort of the easiest part of the start and then I next time I guess in my rounds of four weeks from now or three weeks from now. All right. Part two. But this week was really talking about how to identify how to what they are, what custom buttons are in Salesforce, how to. build the basic ones and how to pass basic parameters across. So you want to pass the name of something, you want to pass the, you know, an ID of something basic stuff. And the next part I'll talk about how to pick how to pass in complex things like lookup fields, which is, a, gets a little more complicated because you have to pass in two parameters you're passing the thing it is and the, and the name of it.

Jason Atwood: Can you talk about record types too? I'm gonna throw in a little request. Sure, I talked about it this time. Actually, well, I did say that you did record types. Well, I said that you can reference the record type. I even showed in the log, in the thing, I showed and record type equals. Oh, okay. So you can put that into your custom. The real use of the custom button is pretty much to pass data between two different objects, right? So if you have... And you know, one object and you want to make another one of it, there's a button called clone. So if I have, let's say, an opportunity and I want to get all the data from an opportunity to another opportunity, well, hit clone and then you got it, right? So that's not the use cases really.

Justin Edelstein: There are some records that do not have clone buttons though.

Jason Atwood: Yes, that's true. So this could be used for that. But if you generally it's to move data between two things that are... Different but then carry a lot of the same parameters. Maybe you so my example in the blog post carrying data from an opportunity over to a project. So an opportunity record to a project record from an opportunity object to a project object and it might have some of the same stuff. So maybe the close date, it might have things like a start date or end date. It might have the name, it might have a description. We'll be right back. have like let's say a look up, a project manager, it's all fictional stuff, but you might want You should go read it. It's at blog.argasync.com. It's got lots of comments. Boy, the comments just float in.

06:42 Jason Atwood: By that, I mean one. There is two comments.

Justin Edelstein: Two comments. Well, one's mine. One's you.

Jason Atwood: Do you know what's funny? And the commenting. What is funny? Our blog post about GTD still is getting commented on. Lots of comments. Yes.

Justin Edelstein: The cross-object workflow one also has comments. Has lots of comments. Has comments and gets read quite often. And we'll see you next time. Which is, by the way, if you're on our blog Kost

Jason Atwood: Or on a podcast, you can comment at the bottom using discuss. We have a message, whatever.

Justin Edelstein: It's really cool. It's pretty cool. It's a very cool little widget.

Jason Atwood: Yep. So go ahead and do that. That's at blog.arkusinc.com. I'm why we were away, nothing happened in the world of Salesforce. Oh, this is this is huge news.

Justin Edelstein: I just don't know how it's used only if you pay for it a year after. Wow, of DF-14. You'll be able to use like exact targets.

Jason Atwood: Email. I don't think so, so because the do all they need to do is throw a Salesforce logo up there. Yeah, but they don't.

Justin Edelstein: That's like step one. a lot of people are like, okay, so like, kind of like, trying to think of, live agent, for example. So that already existed as like an integrated product with Salesforce. It rolled out. And then in spring 13, it became like platformized. So it became totally sort of morphed into a different product. A lot like. Why don't we take a step back for those who don't know.

Jason Atwood: And and what's the exact target?

Justin Edelstein: Well, to me, their their their their emailing tool. They may talk about themselves being like a full automation suite with mass email a portion of it but to me exact target.

Jason Atwood: Fits in the slot of email delivery. My prediction was the one that I predicted they would buy at the end of the year.

Justin Edelstein: Oh wow, we'd have to go back and look. I will find that. Did you say that they would buy like a mass email? Yeah,

09:46 Jason Atwood: I think I said market. I think I said product.

Justin Edelstein: Marketo. I don't think it was marketo. I think exact target purchased Pardo, which was a marketing automation suite. So so there I guess sales first now owns both of them.

Jason Atwood: Oh I said hub spot. Oh, you can't spot so close. Well, there you go.

Justin Edelstein: All right so so exact target They're kind of in the mid middle of the market I don't think of them as like low end players I don't really think of them as high end but I like them I

Jason Atwood: Feel like they're more more tour tie than they are middle because I feel like In the middle is the vertical responses.

Justin Edelstein: No, they're in the low end. According to the article that I was reading about it from Forbes, who my trust, exact target competes most directly with constant contact, male chimp. Those are ones that I would say are like sort of in the middle It's maybe because I feel like they're there their salesforce integration was always better more expensive And so expensive doesn't always mean like better better And that's why Marketo has come out and said this doesn't really change anything for them They don't care of course of course they would say that yeah coming off their IPO. I'm cute and You know they think of themselves more as you know, marketing automation and you know, setting up really complicated campaigns campaigns based on customer is automation sending emails doing all sorts of fun stuff. I've used the exact target.

Justin Edelstein: I don't I. I haven't seen that capability in it, I may be wrong. Again, they, but part do bring some of that to the table. So I don't know. You know, everything that exact target has to offer. I've done the sales C exact target on a couple different occasions. It's pretty good. You can do a. From within the sales force interface. Outside of the Salesforce interface inside of the exact target interface. So the integration is there But like I said, I. be be be R R some nice features template or if you can do. and I to,,,- and I and He and for actual email delivery. I feel like the mass email and even one-off emails from Salesforce, the deliverability of it is, I mean, it's good, but it sometimes gets called into question, whether it hits spam folders or not.

14:03 Justin Edelstein: And... I'm hoping that in time every email that you send out of Salesforce goes through the exact target deliverability Mechanism so that it gets through you know some better channels for sending out emails whether they be system generated emails like workflow alerts and things of that nature or The one-off click Send email

Jason Atwood: I think they'll throw some into higher end versions.

Justin Edelstein: If you're on enterprise or unlimited, you get to use some of this stuff. 9,000.

Jason Atwood: The native mass email tool uses this. Right. And it also includes some of the better tracking. Meaning link tracking within the emails. Give me the clicks, clicks. That's right.

Justin Edelstein: So HTML email. in like related list is just the first thing to get removed off of a page like I just don't want to like people people get very confused by it and, right, people don't really know how to write HTML emails and showing them how to do the templates.

Jason Atwood: Really? Well that it's pretty easy. Yeah, but it's a logo up there in the colors and you're done. You got those pin lines are very weird. You just change the color of them to white. I just always change it to white. All right. I mean, again, hey, listen, this is the new game of salesperson buying stuff and integrating it. Definitely missing piece. Definitely excited to see it hit the main product mix. Know that that's going to take a while. It's going to take a while to be. See you next week. In a year from now, I think from a year from now, we'll be looking at it being a bigger piece. I also feel like it's something that, you know, if you're a vendor, if you're a content contact, eye contact, mail chimp, and again, very correspond.

Jason Atwood: I think it's a warning shot that your stuff better do a lot of things that we're not doing. Again, we've seen vendors like... We've seen vendors who do a certain point and they never go and blow it out. They never make it end to end. a it's good enough to sell with their licenses. Mail merge as an example. Mail merge is a dead horse that someone should shoot. Well that's why anytime anyone asks,

Justin Edelstein: I want to merge documents like go get conga merge. Or draw a loop. I usually say conga. I say conga. I just want to draw loop out there because Alright, it'll be their next acquisition. I wonder I don't know. I don't know. I wonder if they're gonna go and purchase a integration suite That would be cool Yeah, I'll go get an integration a jitter bit go buy jitter bit or or any of the ones that are like out there as free agents right, right and just make it so simple to integrate. I just don't think that by buying that it anything. Right. And not have to write like code inside. I just don't think they'd want to get into that game. That game is very, very tough game. They got into some games here in the last couple of years.

18:09 Jason Atwood: But this game made sense. Integration doesn't make sense. Integration is something that what you have to know when you do integration is not sales force. You have to know the other 40 million connectors. years. That's not someplace they want to put money. I wouldn't put money there. Email is one thing. It's email. You have to know email. But going to have to know how to connect the SAP, connect to Microsoft SQL, Windows 2000 servers. That's why you're not building it. You're just buying it. Yeah, but then you have to build it. You have to keep building it. You keep updating it. And then when SAP comes out with their new API, no way. I just, I advise you not to do it.

Justin Edelstein: Listen to me Salesforce. Salesforce, the entity is listening. All right, well, speaking of things. Want to get to fun stuff? Are you saying that Salesforce buying exact targets is not fun? Salesforce buying exact targets to me is fun when I, you know, it's just an acquisition though, you know, it's not, I didn't see anything. It's words on a piece of paper. You just have to see it to believe it. I got to see it. I want to see what they do with it. There's all sorts of things they can do with it. They bought dim dim two years ago. I still haven't seen anything. Dim dim. That's why the safe harbor screens always up there. I think dim dim is really in chat. Well, that's more waste. Haven't we seen again, this is where we've seen demos of screen sharing in chatter.

Justin Edelstein: Where is safe harbor? Save Harbor applies.

Jason Atwood: And speaking of which, we're now on summer. Summer's rolled out.

Justin Edelstein: I do notice like some... Summer's been a bit of an odd rollout. It's been some quirks. Really? What have you noticed? With with chatter. Well, so like chatter has the performance of it has gotten a lot better. I feel it's a lot snappier. Have you noticed that? Like opening and closing the oh, yes, the the feed on record, even chattering something. But then at times it's slower because it's trying to add the topics and do all that stuff, right? And then I've noticed with really long chatter, chatter feeds, it scrunches the related lists over like to the right hand side of the screen. So there's a lot of UI funkiness with summer that I've noticed that I haven't really experienced all that much in the past. I'm sure there'll be like maintenance releases to fix all these little I mean, they're tiny things.

Justin Edelstein: Nothing like broke or anything, to my knowledge. I've been playing with some stuff. I put a chatter publisher action in our org. Nice. For what? To do time entries on deliverables. Just to play with it. I actually chattered it the other day. I missed it. I didn't pay attention, Chatter. I hashtagged it org work and it added the topic for me. Okay. Well under the no Arkus org work hashtag org work hashtag or work Alright, so I go into a deliverable and I can go pull down the chatter feed and add a time entry It's actually slower than just clicking the new button. Yeah, the more button I'm giving you anything. I can't click on it's not doing anything. Oh, there's a UI kink JavaScript void it says there you go. There's a lot of I blame you for setting it I didn't know cuz I did it It worked for me.

21:36 Justin Edelstein: All right. See there's a lot of little buggy

Jason Atwood: UI stuff I don't I don't even know how they try to keep up with the browser browsers go

Justin Edelstein: There they have so much testing to do it Unreal. Ridiculous. Hopefully they've automated a crap ton of it.

Jason Atwood: Because I mean, not knowing what version of anything you're on, I mean, I'm on version, I don't know, let's see, version 27.01 on... Speaking of versions. questions. All right, speaking of versions. Wasn't that an interesting slide at WWDC?

Justin Edelstein: Are you segueing me? I segueed you right into WWDC. Wasn't that an interesting slide?

Jason Atwood: I really want to talk about the version of Chrome I'm using some more.

Justin Edelstein: I think this is really- Wasn't that an interesting slide about the mobile operating system? ecosystem when he put up the slide of iOS users versus Android users. And here we're going to come off very biased. I apologize already to all the Android users out there. We love you. Keep downloading. But wasn't that interesting slide where it was like 93% of all iPhone users are on the current. version of iOS and the majority, it was so splintered, the Android ecosystem was like 30 something, 20 something, 30 something, and then a bunch of other. It's like 33% was the majority. It was the highest percentage of users on the same. OS version and it was a version from 2010 right?

Jason Atwood: That's three years ago He didn't say 2010 like it was a billion years ago. He goes it's still from three years ago 2010 that's still a long time ago. I remember we were on Windows 2002 or Windows 2000 in 2010 Yeah, I mean but now you're Now you're comparing them to windows. So that's not a very good thing for Google. So it's interesting point because I was at a Salesforce presentation today where they did the Salesforce song and dance and, it had other vendors there. But one of the things they said is they were talking about the principles of the cloud and how the cloud, you know, one of the things they said is, you know, everybody on the same version, easy updates, you know, automatic updates. And I thought, and it actually hit me, me cause now Really automatic updates and easy updating of your software is no longer a cloud thing Like my computer auto updates all the time.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, right Mike Mike Sometimes I have to restart it, but that's it But my my phone does it all the time and now in the new version is won't talk about i-07 And this has been an Android for a while, which is auto update Just just give me the newest version and just do it behind my back and I don't care All right, and it's like I actually I actually go in like to see that number because then I like to see like. I like to see the things that are in it. I want to see this new feature. I just want to see the features of their stuff. in my back. I don. I don't know, like if my favorite game which I might actually make is my pick of the week. I might change my pick.

24:38 Jason Atwood: I just thought about it.

Justin Edelstein: I want to know what they the splinteredness of other operating systems. That was the marketing side. The big announcements were in first was really iOS 7.

Jason Atwood: Yeah. Which is. Which wasn't really first, but it was the biggest. It's the biggest. It's really. It's what everyone wants to see. Totally redesigned. Yep. From head to toe. They made. I was saying my favorite part of the BBC is that they found their post. and we were chatting, we were the geeks, right? We're video watching this, but then chatting on I Am About It as we watch it. I was like, they found their voice. Like Apple has found their post Steve Jobs voice. Because the first two that I've seen since Steve Jobs has been like, they tried to keep the Steve Jobs like the very like somber, like, I'm showing you something excellent. It is excellent, don't you love it? And Steve Jobs was great at that. These guys, a lot of them, they were cracking hogs.

Justin Edelstein: They were like, oh, fat. Who's the head engineer guy? I don't know. Don't remember his name. No. But he was awesome.

Jason Atwood: And he's great. Because one guy would clap, and he's like, that guy likes that thing. And then they, and I will say, they made more shots over the bow of themselves, which. Thank you very much. Apple generally doesn't shoot itself. So they made comments about fake cows being killed for a skew morphism, which is where you take something that is a computer program and you make it look like it's not a computer. Like I'm looking at garage band in front of me, which has wood panels down the side of it. It's an application. It doesn't have wood panels. You don't have to make it look like it has wood panels or, you know, the calendar, which has, you know, it has little torn pages and like so it's the idea is like supposed to make you feel comfortable because it's oh it's a calendar so it has torn pages in it.

Jason Atwood: But they moved completely away from that away from the shiny away from the curves away from the like. Straight and clean. It is straight and clean and honestly it looks a looks very nice. It's stripped down. And B looks very like every other operating system. I mean, it's funny because everyone in our operating system started to look like Apple because of all the icons and stuff and now they've kind of come back. But it's nice, you know, you know, iOS 7, it's like, I'm gonna have it. It's gonna be on my phone. I'm gonna get the day it comes out. I'll download it, install it. And I love all the new features. And that's it. You know, what I'm more excited about, maybe we should move into like a cloud version of this iCloud is really the way that they're using iCloud.

Jason Atwood: And there's two big ones that they announced that I thought were fabulous. One was very sexy.

Justin Edelstein: Sexy. So sexy. One was like super,

Jason Atwood: Super sexy. So they announced maps for, oh, so they started a new, there's a new version of Mac OS X, but again, this is a Cloud Can Be podcast. We'll stay away from sort of getting too much into hardware stuff. But they announced their version of maps on the desktop. So maps that was now, wherever you like it or not, is now on the desktop and it's its own app. Which is neat, but the thing that I think makes, what I love that Apple does with cloud computing, is that they make cloud computing something that's just there, but you're never thinking about it. Like Evernote and Dropbox and Google Drive, I'm thinking about it, like, oh, there's my Google Drive, there's my this, after that's syncing, that's happening, right? All right. I don't think about that with iCloud.

28:14 Jason Atwood: I don't see things spinning around. Think about it on your, you don't see things saying, oh, iCloud is updating or things are happening. And they've done that even more now. And one of them was the map. So you get directions on your computer, right? You're sitting at it. This isn't like groundbreaking. But you see some directions on your computer. And you go, OK, great. And you just say, send to phone. And just, it goes and then it pops up on your phone and you hit go and you're. I can't tell you how many times I've sat in a prospective Google map and

Justin Edelstein: Like sent myself the link or the link or the SMS with the short link. Right. This is, this is something that I'm going to use constantly. Because before you leave, I mean, I know I have it on my phone and I know I could type it into my phone or tell Siri or ask her to get me somewhere and she's going to be wrong. But the ability I always look before just because I want it on a bigger form factor to see the whole thing, right? It's nice to see the whole way.

Jason Atwood: By the way, I'm going to go sexist here. We're guys. Guys like to like look at the map before. I want to see it. I'm generally going north. Right. I want to see the thing.

Justin Edelstein: I've done it like three times today. Yeah. And then once I've done that, I just want to know that I can rely on the fact that whatever thing is going to tell me to get there is going to get me there. Right. So, okay, this looks like the right route. Get it to my phone because that's what's going to be on me in my car. Right. And then I'm going to swipe a thing and start. And go. Right. And that sounds great. And then to add on to it, they talked about the car. Oh, I was going going to have one other. Well, you want you want to stay on the cloud and then go to the car? Well, we talked about the car. I'm gonna come back to the cloud. That made me want to had a new car.

Jason Atwood: That's so sad. Well, the look of your car should make you want to buy a new car. Well, that's true. My car is really bad. Let's say you had a street vendor. Let's just say I don't really care about my car I'm saying he paid some guys on the street to repaint his car not to repaint it to like repair it and paint it Well, they had to paint it. I was gonna leave it with like bond. Yeah, it would have looked so much better than it looks now

Justin Edelstein: It's the worst car ever people on the street Literally fixed your car. Yeah, like they don't have office They were like driving around this is a complete right hole. This is a New York thing. Yeah, it is. They were driving around Next to me and we're like, hey, would you like us to fix your try not to do accents? What do you mean? They're like all those... It was like garbage pickup, and I was like frustrated I just wanted to get past the garbage truck right and there were just wasn't enough room right and I decided instead of Like rubbing my car up against the cars parked on the street I would rub my car up against the garbage truck totally Scraped up the entire side of my car dinged it banged it right scraped it the whole nine Later that afternoon driving home, these guys just pull up next to me and they're like, hey, we'll fix your car.

31:36 Justin Edelstein: And I'm like, oh my. Yeah. You guys just drive around like this? They're like, yep. I'm like, this is what you do? They're like, yep. I'm like, all right. You must be great if you're driving around in a car. I really don't care about my car. But. But. It would be nice to not have this whole thing smashed in on the side. All right. Tell me how iOS is going to make your car better. Well, it's not. I'm going to have to get a new car. But the ability to just have iOS on any screen in a car, not clear yet exactly how this is going to work. It's more like airplay. Yeah, I feel like it's going to be airplayed too from my phone to a screen that is going to be like enabled right handle iOS yeah, and then maybe some controls on the steering wheel to like press and Tell Siri to do something.

Justin Edelstein: Yep, like, you know have a Siri button on the steering wheel and say get me directions Whatever I can talk to Siri from my from my phone.

Jason Atwood: I can't my car. I can just hit a button in it opens up the thing and I say Siri something. Oh, I don't have this at all.

Justin Edelstein: Well, I don't have Bluetooth even in my cards.

Jason Atwood: Again, you can get a guy in the street to put a Bluetooth. I don't think so. He literally comes over with a tooth and he throws it. Having a screen that just can utilize the iOS stuff.

Justin Edelstein: It makes I mean, Microsoft, I think was was really early in this game. They have the built in one- Right. It's built in. Totally built in. in Well, the interface with it is bad.

Jason Atwood: Yep. So I'm excited about that. But again, back to the cloud. apps.

Justin Edelstein: And some of the It's using the cloud but making it sort of out of my way so the

35:01 Jason Atwood: And it has that phone number in it I'll just add it to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the

Justin Edelstein: The the the the, has one email and the other one has...

Jason Atwood: The other six They'll lock me out, but they won't be able to get in. So, but I love this concept. I love this concept. And then what was the other one that was big on the?

Justin Edelstein: Well, I radio. Well, I radio, but then. New hardware.

Jason Atwood: No, no, no, I was talking about the cloud stuff. So the notification stuff that, again, stuff that's sort of cloud based. Oh, it's syncing notifications. But they're catching up on that stuff. Well, that's what I'm saying. So like when I see a notification on one side and I say............... more. This is what I keep like chatter. I say, I see you. Then I want you to go tell the other devices that I have seen it. Yeah. Right. But that's catching up. Yeah.,

Justin Edelstein: Like they did poke a little bit at themselves. They, again, we say this every time they have this incredible ability, they Apple, to Talk about how their own products which are not even a year old are complete crap, right? And then we took it we took it and we Started from the beginning and it looks it's amazing We started with the most amazing thing

Jason Atwood: Then we decided to do a scrap then we turned it into the most amazing thing ever we took something

Justin Edelstein: And we applied design and engineering to gather. I will say,

Jason Atwood: Again, I'm an Apple fan boy, but if you just look at it from the other side, like if you just took off your Apple fan boy hat. Put on your Google Glass for a second. Man, do they just crawl up their own butts. With like how great they are at designing for design and making sure the form and the function and design all meet at the pinnacle of the user. ZA! He's like what did you say? He didn't say anything Even when he was doing his part, what is the guy's name? Johnny I've who's now the new designer of all iOS It's like the head design guy of hardware Oh, no, not everything so Scott forestall who was the guy who used to design iOS They must I mean the guy I don't know where he is now But they were just throwing shots at him left and right they're like anyway, it was funny But so then they go to Johnny I John Ivy's his his video.

38:11 Jason Atwood: He always has the video where the video with great where he's saying there was this close cut shit in his little t-shirt and he's like, I took it from the design aspect anyway. And but this time watching it, I was like, oh my God, it's like a parody of himself. He's doing the parody of himself doing himself of the video. They've done 10 of them. They're all over the web. They're great.

Justin Edelstein: Johnny I was on his own. He's great.

Jason Atwood: So there's there's I radio. I radio basically, Pandora competitor. Yep. Free for items, free for match match users,

Justin Edelstein: Which we are or ad free. And it's free. It is free. It is free supported by ads. I mean, really it's, it's just to get you to buy stuff. Yeah, but again, it's, I mean, that Pandora has got the same model, right? You're, you're listening to buy anything within Pandora. Sure. You just hop over. Yeah, but this is gonna be like I'm listening.

Jason Atwood: Oh, I like Katy Perry's new song click one click by the total You know get you to buy this iTunes match user fine

Justin Edelstein: As an iTunes match user to have it for free with no ads I will play with it. This will get me off of Pandora for a moment. I play with the only thing I wonder about is Where is it. Gonna be on my desktop? Is it gonna be in iTunes to have to open iTunes to get to this? I really like just That's the one thing that Apple doesn't always do is they build apps, native apps, as opposed to throwing out a website. I know iWork went to the web, but the maps should be on the web. That should be a web app. That shouldn't be an app app. But I bet you it'll perform.

Jason Atwood: Very, very well. Again, there's things that happen.

Justin Edelstein: And you're telling me Google Maps doesn't perform?

Jason Atwood: What? You do a comparison once they have it in, guess because you're caught inside of a browser, you're in a browser rendering. You throw that same thing anyway. You're still trying to pull stuff down from a service. It's not the pull and stuff down that slows it down. It's doing highly complex rendering. And in the map, they're gonna be using core, core. It's a core imaging or core graphics. They're going to be using a different frame set, a different API of the OS to render it, and it's going to render so much faster. Trust me, you're going to be like, oh yeah, I get it now. Yeah.

Justin Edelstein: You are. I want things in browsers. I like things in browsers. I like things in browsers if I need them in browsers. Like I want iTunes radio or iRadio, whatever it is.

Jason Atwood: I want that in a browser. See, to me that's a bad example of a browser one because I'm in a browser. I shut down my browsers all the time. I shut them down and restart them. I shut them down and restart them because they clogged down. I mean even Chrome. I've seen Chrome slow down after the end of the day and I'm like, God, I restart Chrome. I don't want to have to close it. Oh, there goes my radio station. I don't have that problem at all.

Justin Edelstein: I don't know what's wrong with your Chrome. Chrome is awesome. They came out with a new airport.

Jason Atwood: Yeah. Yeah. which is just tall and weird looking. They came out, they showed for the first time, they have a new MacBook Air, fine, built up, nothing.

Justin Edelstein: They showed... A lot of people are excited about that. Really? What's so big about it? People really love MacBook Airs. I love it too, it's just not powerful enough. They can't do what I do. Well, it can't do what you do, it can do what a lot of people do. Yes, that's true. Like if I. Was not a power power user and this Mac wasn't my livelihood and needed it to do work on every day. If it was my personal just need a personal computer, I'd have Have a MacBook Air, right? I wouldn't have a MacBook Pro. No need for that. Oh, no, I no need for that as a personal computer just to futz around with No,

41:39 Jason Atwood: No, you're right. For the futzing around, no. And then they showed, this is the first the first time ever they've done this. They pre-showed something. They pre-showed the new MacBook, the new Mac Pro. Mac Pro.

Justin Edelstein: Which replaces the old The old tower. The old tower which is, you know, a little bit of time coming. They haven't built a tower in a while. And It looks like one of those little one of those Bluetooth speakers. Yeah, it does it looks like like one of those I said Roomba, but it almost looks like a keg

Jason Atwood: Like it has like handles on the top. Oh and lights up where you go near it. They're like ports light up like a Right, but I just take it with me. It doesn't sit out. It just sits in my bag and when I go, it's with me. And then my other one, I just leave on. And like you sort of think of like where your work is and like what you can do. It's a weird work-life balance for us, right? Because, you know,

Justin Edelstein: We have different work life than what most people don't have the luxury or. Or maybe do have the luxury of having their work computer and then they go home and they have their home computer. We don't really operate that way. We have our computer computer, right? And our computer is both our work computer and our home computer. That's because we are who we are. But again, most people have the notion of they go to work and they get their computer.

Jason Atwood: And I think that their computer, but BYOD, bring your own device is becoming more and more on the desktop. That's not true. I don't think that is a trend at the moment. People want their computers and if they get a nice computer, they don't want to wait two years to get the upgrade at work. They're like, I'll just go buy my own computer as long as I can use it. I think a lot of people get what they get at work. They might have to order it. You can't get what you get. You don't get upset. A pyramid thing.

Justin Edelstein: I think the BYOD is more for the tablet and mobile space. Yeah.

Jason Atwood: All right. Let's get off the Apple bandwagon. Let's do it. And let's get into picking some CloudFocus at picks of the week. Here's my phone. All right.

Justin Edelstein: So I, I missed a call while we were gone. All right.

Jason Atwood: Wow. Zoran gone. We were podcasting while you were gone was last week. That's what you were here.

Justin Edelstein: So I'm picking. an app called Twitter Music. It is free. It is to help you discover new music that people are tweeting about. There are different options. There's like the hashtag Now Playing by people that you're following. So you can, anyone that you're following, they... can sort of hashtag now playing and tweet songs. You can look at popular songs that are trending on Twitter, emerging, which is like hidden talent on Twitter, just like ways to surface music through being, you know, popular on Twitter. So I hit my now playing tweeted by people I'd follow. and it brought up a few songs. Here's... Oh, God, turn it off. We're gonna get sued. Oh, you're right. We are. How do I stop this? All right.

45:01 Jason Atwood: So, it's the best app out there. It's the best app out there.

Justin Edelstein: And you can listen to it, and then you can hop over and buy it in iTunes. That's kind of the idea. So, it's a app for... It's called Twitter Music. It's actually from Twitter.

Jason Atwood: It's an official Twitter application. And you can play it inside of? Inside the application.

Justin Edelstein: Okay, all right. Plays like little snippets of songs. It's to help you discover new music. Right. That other people are listening to and tweeting about.

Jason Atwood: I assume you have to sign into your Twitter account. Yeah, it is from Twitter. Why not just build this into Twitter itself? Don't know, it's a separate app. Separate app, stink.

Justin Edelstein: And basically, you know, it's to help you discover new music and the the the i-radio announcement sort of threw my my whole head in the tizzy because I've been in Pandora through and through from start. So it's like, oh boy. So I started looking around and I've actually had this one. Tuckered away for like three months not picked it because you know, I don't Necessarily use it all that often and you've picked many things you've never used in your life So that's all yeah, I mean I've used this a bunch of times just to play around It's more of a play around thing It's not something that you can sit there and use and be like, oh I'm gonna listen to a bunch of music and pop on Twitter music it's more to just discover what's going on in your feed.

Justin Edelstein: Speaking of which that was that was my killer out from the from the WWDC. Sorry, but the whole new Safari Yeah, the new The share was it shared or like Something I follow or whatever the new pain in the left the reading list area is getting a complete refresh And they're doing, and this is a really good example of like a tight, I guess it's kind of tight operating system level integration with an application on the system where you just click in in the side nav of Safari and all the links. will come up that are in your Twitter feed. So all the things that people have thrown out there as drinks that you're following, boom, right there. And what's nice is it's constant scroll. Constant scroll. You can pop it into the reader mode and just read through the links.

Justin Edelstein: I know you like Zite and things like that. It's time to add better, but yes. But like this, I just like Twitter to find things. And this makes it so much easier because it just sifts out all the... Noise and just pops links into into one spot. I like it. That is why Google killed Reader because I think that type of thing is where it's still.

Jason Atwood: Here's the problem. It's still the reason readers still is better is because reader is organized. by topics. So when I'm in the world of Twitter, I could be reading, let's say, if I went to read mine, so I have followers, whatever, and I'm reading through their, they can post I like and I think it's easier to read and to not be articles if you have a topic that you're thinking about when you're reading them. I can scan through them quicker. If I'm reading about Apple News, I want to have it all organized so. I can go, okay, that's iOS, iOS, that's interesting. You know, I'm in a modality of reading about certain type of news. Like we know we talk about Jets. If I'm reading about news, I don't want to have Apple news, Apple news, Salesforce, Jets news.

48:30 Jason Atwood: Like, oh no, no, no, I want to read my Jets news. I want to go in, oh, they're talking about Sanchez, they're talking about Tebow, they're talking about, okay, great. And I read through it and then I go to the next topic. It's like having, it's like in a newspaper. Right, you have, here's the business section, here's the life section. You don't have it all intermixed. Anyway. time. Alright, I'm gonna make a pic. So yours was Twitter music It's free music I'm sure it's from multiple devices, multiple. Yeah, I have it on the iPhone. Okay. So I'm going to pick something and then I'm going to unpick it because it is down and that will be something else. So what I've been trying to pick for weeks is something called flash panel for Google apps.

Jason Atwood: And what it is, is a application you... Sign in give authentication to and then it logs into your Google apps and it basically audits it it audits your users It audits your your usage It's our it shows what people have been sharing and drive and this Basically gets you to see what's going on. You can set up roles and permissions you can set up sharing profiles so you can say these people can't a share outside the org or these people can you tell you where the problems you can set up monitoring of monitoring of email so if you're the admin i can say i want to monitor someone's email space send me an email when they get an email. You can do also it's a great stuff i don't want you to have i've already had this.

Jason Atwood: I don't like because one of the things about cool apps is that. Again, since there's such this nature of outsidedness of Google Apps that you can't know what's going on. So if we have hundreds of thousands of docs or docs, what's being shared, what's being deleted, it's like it's very, it's unlike a local area network where it's on a server and you can back it up and you know no one's sharing it because you're controlling the share. But this is, you can share and you can let things go and you can share off to a friend and so... Anyway, this thing kind of helps you deal with that. It's free. They're actually coming up with a pay version, but right now it is down. And it's, that's not good. It runs on the Google app engine, which is down for about 12 hours.

Jason Atwood: That's no good. Which brings me to my point of the cloud, which is that I had an experience with Google the other day where they basically removed a feature from Google docs.

Justin Edelstein: They changed, they modified a feature. Well, they removed a feature. They. They modified the way a feature works, which removed a sub feature.

Jason Atwood: Anyway, it wasn't documented anyway. I spent 20 minutes trying to figure out where it was documented. I then called up support and they ran through the whole support side thing. Here's the note. The note is if you want to be enterprise Google, you got to get better at this stuff. You can't remove features and then say, sorry, we forgot to document it. That is unacceptable. That is unacceptable. Can't be in the big but you can't be in the big boys. You have to literally have a ticket come back and say, Oh, we updated the doc. Sorry, we forgot. We forgot to document that we changed something. Like that's, it is unacceptable. No good.

51:31 Justin Edelstein: So anyway, but that's that's why big boys won't ever use Google for that type of thing because it is a While Salesforce is a, you're all on the same version, you're going to get upgraded. It is also a very much a, we're not going to kill things off without telling you well in advance. As a matter of fact, there are things about Salesforce that should be killed off that aren't.

Jason Atwood: Tons of things. Because I'm sure they have people, they know their usage. They know it. And they know someone's using it. And they can't just push out changes without. I mean, they've done it, but they usually are pretty good about telling in advance. They'll change a whole interface on you.

Justin Edelstein: If you're dealing with an enterprise that has, let's just, I'm small, like 500 users. Users. Small, right? You can't just go change a user interface without telling somebody. Why? But again,

Jason Atwood: Google's gotten better at this. Like they have now a release calendar. You can sign up for pre-release stuff or have things kind of phase in a little bit. But it's nowhere near what Salesforce does. And this type of stuff just proves how bad they are. Their technicians didn't even know. This person didn't even know it was gone. She had it and she could test it in two different apps. She's like, oh, I can see it working here and it's not here. I mean, it was just cluster. faster. So that's your pick? So I'm going to move on to something that's actually bad.

Justin Edelstein: That's a good pick. I can't pick it because it's down. It's down now, but by the time someone listens to this, it's going to be up. I'm going to pick something fun. Well, why to don't you save it for the next time? Because I want to pick it now. Well, I feel like this podcast is a little long, isn't it? Everybody's going to love this pick. So everybody's known because I think it's big. Everyone just stopped listening.

Jason Atwood: OK, the best pick in the world right now. Okay, now for every still here. So I've been a big fan of a game called Kingdom Rush.

Justin Edelstein: I think I picked it on this podcast That's the one where all those things start coming at you and you have to defend it. Yes It's a tower defense of those defense. I love those gifts First of all, you're a huge fan of huge fan But this one's the number one best game of that just the one you tried to get me hooked on but it just didn't work Kingdom Rush is incredible.

Jason Atwood: It's been out for a year Kingdom Rush Frontiers just came out last Friday. The only thing I've actually put in as a task to buy on the day it came out Did you win it already? 299? No, no, it's mega. It'll take me. It'll take me at least a month Anyway Kingdom rush frontiers if you're a fan of Kingdom rush It is a great games 299. Did you play it on the subway and stuff? I have been playing on the subway and playing it when I went camping. I was playing it when I've just been playing it I play it walking down the street. You just blasted me. I played it when I went camping I went camping and I brought my iPad and played games. In the morning, I was like really early in the morning and no one was up.

Jason Atwood: And I'm like, like listening to everybody snore in the camp site. And it's like cold out. I'm like, eh, I bring up a place from Cambridge Rush. Ugh. That's not ugh. Blasphemy. Oh, what do you know about camping? Nothing.

Justin Edelstein: Nothing. That still sounds like blasphemy. I don't think I'd bring my iPad. Why not,

Jason Atwood: Why not? Why are you gonna drop it in the leg? You're gonna break it on vacation? Yeah. Oh,

Justin Edelstein: My poor screen. It's like I bet you. Slam corner is just there. They're like creeping towards each other. That eventually they'll meet. Those are the gods of CloudFocus Weekly. So so terrible. I have to go to the Apple Store and see if they'll replace it for me. All right. Yeah, I hope they will. They'll be like, pay us. And I'll be like, ah, you're going to come out with a new one so soon. I really don't want to pay you. Add it to the gods of the lake. I'll just add it to the expense. All right. Well, that's it.

54:56 Jason Atwood: Speaking of expenses, this podcast has been expensive for you to download. So remember to go to arkaseinc.com, blog.arkaseinc.com, facebook.com, slash arkaseinc. We're on the Twitter. Just Edelstein. Jason and Matt would on Twitter. We're on... Google Plus, we're also on LinkedIn. If you want to check us out there, you can follow us on LinkedIn. They got all sorts of new stuff, a ways of following and mentioning people in LinkedIn. It's kind of cool. And then of course we're in the Dreamforce portal. If you sign up for Dreamforce and if you're signing up for Dreamforce, remember to use the MVP code. Justin, you're gonna know what it is right now. Of course I am.

Justin Edelstein: The MVP code, which we got a notification about just a little while ago. I don't know. I don't know. MVP REF. You use that on checkout. Leave off the last F for savings.. That's D13, so like Dreamforce 13, MVP REF. Reference. Reference. I don't know. Referral. Yeah, that's probably referral. So Dreamforce. So Dreamforce. just D13, surprise, there's no F in there, D13 MVP REF. You'll be helping out yourself for the hundred bucks and you'll be helping out us spread the word.

Jason Atwood: Other than that, we will see you next week if Justin's not up at the lake. Oh, come on. Yeah, it's so good, so good when it hurts. And until then, as always. Enjoy those cloudy days.

Justin Edelstein: You