Viva Las Dreamforce - Episode #137 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:10 Jason Atwood: This is the 137th episode of CloudFocus Weekly for the 4th week of May 2013. This episode is titled Viva Las Dreamforce. Kavodzweg is sponsored by Ericus, Kavodzweg experts. I'm your host, Jay Snatwood, and joining me here in one of the our travel Studios Justin.

Justin Edelstein: Justin Edelstein, how are you doing today? I'm doing very well feeling rested.

Jason Atwood: I rested after our trip to Las Vegas last week for the conference for that conference In Vegas.

Justin Edelstein: The kingpin conference. A very big conference. I was in Vegas last week. You were in Vegas last week? Well, I was in Vegas for me getting remarried. I was in Vegas for you getting remarried. You didn't get remar- you're not even married. I was there for you.

Jason Atwood: We did bring, and I think you brought, did you bring your mic? Of course. And then we didn't podcast. It was Vegas. It was Vegas. It was tough. What happens there needs to just stay there and not be be recorded. So we did not record one last week, so we are back this week and recording, but we have plenty to talk about. We have a blog post from last week. that we, from two weeks ago, or no, it went live last week. DF13, speaking of summer 13, DF13 and then we have some Twitter and Google news, and then we'll of course make our cloud focused app. pick of the week! Let's start off- Let's start off with the blog post of the week de jour. Let's do it! Which was, so we have become the de facto greatest lovers of permission sets, partly in part because we had something to do with its creation, partly because we're very good friends with the product manager.

Jason Atwood: And partly because we built a free app on the AppExchange to help manage permission sets. So it becomes nobody's surprise that when permission sets are highlighted in a release or there are new permission sets to think about, we're going to highlight it as well. This might not be in every release, Salesforce release topic, but maybe. If it has enough, if there's enough permission sets. It's moving that way. Yeah, my guess is that permission sets are going to take over more. Take over the entire universe. That's right. It's like chatter and permission sets. That's it. That's all you get. That's all you need. Who needs solutions? You need chatter and permission sets with some community flair and you're in.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, you can just run a whole business.

Jason Atwood: So this blog post on blog. blog.argysync.com blog reg is about the permission sets that you might want to investigate that are in summer 13. Now summer 13 has has it started roll out last week or is it today or is it this Friday is the first set?

03:17 Justin Edelstein: I think it's this Friday. I actually thought it was next week but that's it. Maybe I don't know let's go to the trusty trusty trust site. I thought it was the end of May.

Jason Atwood: It's in a couple of sandboxes that I've been playing in so I've seen it. I've seen it.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, let's see. Doesn't actually say, no that's scheduled. Majorly scheduled June 7th is the first first pods. First bunch go June 7th and then the next bunch go June 14th and 15th. Okay. The sandboxes. Sandboxes. Some of the sandboxes flip on the 15th. Okay.

Jason Atwood: So anyway, if you haven't read it up on the millions of blog posts we've done about Summer 13, this is, you can add this to the list. It's a list of things that you might want to think about for permission set. So I named four, I think. I'm not going to talk about the one that you and then it will send you a text if you want to get in or get activated to an org you haven't been on before. But if you want to allow people to not do that, meaning you don't want to have them go through the process. You have to give them a permission set to do that, which is kind of weird because permissions are usually... I guess they're allowing people to do stuff. They're kind of opening up stuff.

Jason Atwood: But this is sort of like disallowing, making them stop from doing something else. Anyway, but it's an interesting use. It's allow email based identity and you can put that permission set on people and there's no better use. So if you have org with 300 people and you wanted to add this permission set to everybody. Man, there's nothing. Nothing you could do to do that. Three, you'd have like 40 hundred clicks. 40 million. 40 hundred? 40 hundred. Is that a number? It's a big, that's a big number. How much I won in Vegas? It's a huge number. 40 hundred.

Justin Edelstein: We're just going to mention it a few more times. That'll be, that'll be a little offensive. Appachane brag.

Jason Atwood: What do you have any of the other ones that you wanted to mention?

Justin Edelstein: I think that I think the community membership one is very interesting because they... When we saw communities, it was profile-based membership, but allowing it to go a little bit more granular and do it at a permission set level is, to me, interesting. Like, that's a real opt-in, right? This, you user are part of this community, as opposed to... everyone in your profile is part of this community. I think that that's a really good use of permission sets and a really interesting way to roll out a new feature with, I like to see permission sets being thought of as core to rolling out new features. Right. Right. So it's not like, it's not like community membership rolled out profile based. And then in the next release came permission sets. They came together. I like to see things like that.

06:44 Jason Atwood: Again, if you don't know Permission Sets, A, go search for permission sets on our blog, because there are lots of content at least 20 or 20, maybe 15 blog posts on permission sets, and go back to their first release. And then, if you're, you know, again... Sorry to mention the permissioner, but go to the app exchange, type in the permissioner. And there's a free app that we built that allows you to mass assign and mass revoke permission sets. And now you're going to need that more and more. Once you've assigned one permission set to somebody and you realize how troublesome that is, you're going to need the permissioner. It is free as in free, and it plans to be free and is free now, so enjoy it. So next up, speaking of things that are not free,

Justin Edelstein: Dreamforce is not free. Dreamforce is not free for some.

Jason Atwood: So Dreamforce registration opened today or yesterday. Or yesterday, whatever. So I will tell you, I have clients who fell like two months ago.

Justin Edelstein: Go in now, do it. The hotel rooms are not, they are few and far between and fast. Like really fast. Right, like I know as of this

Jason Atwood: Morning we had all of our kids going in and from this morning to tonight we, we saw things disappear. Yep.

Justin Edelstein: Like two of us. You and I got in an extra day in the hotel that someone else couldn't get. High five over the mic. so they couldn't get in. both of them. I actually told one of them that he could bunk in my room for the night. For the night? Yeah.

Jason Atwood: I can guess which one that is. You can take the other one. Nope. I don't want to sleep in the street.

Justin Edelstein: I told him if I get a king bed, he can even like split it with me. Wow. If it's a queen, he's on the floor. Yeah, on the floor.

Jason Atwood: So, but we want to announce this year, especially if you're registering for Dreamforce... There's a special promotion from the Dreamforce MVPs. We're just Salesforce MVPs. Salesforce MVPs. We're not.

Justin Edelstein: We're not Dreamforce specific MVPs. Actually, I think that's smarter. We should be named Dreamforce MVPs. We're broader than that.

Jason Atwood: So if you want to get $100 off your registration and... Let's add in the fact that this can be added to other promotions.

Justin Edelstein: So if your AE is working with you, you get other code, you're a nonprofit, you get a code or something like that, you can add this on top of it. So I could have added this to mine and gotten them to give me $100? I don't think so. That wouldn't have worked that way.

Jason Atwood: Okay. Not for you. So here's the code. It is... 13 MVP ref. Right. That is the while registering. I thought it was pretty good. We could talk about registration. about.

10:04 Justin Edelstein: MVP, REF, it is the code to get $ However many both i'm sure you're doing the same i have not tweeted yet but i will yeah so you could check those out they'll be there but when

Jason Atwood: You register a $100 code yep when you register you actually get the chance to pull in your read your your profile from last year which was nice yeah it was like have

Justin Edelstein: You registered before yes so i logged in had to change my password of course well i say i log in every week so it doesn't stop so i'm always i have not logged in in a long time So I had to change my password, logged in. It pulled everything out, it pulled everything together. I was like, oh, this is good. I had a little trouble with some required fields and not liking certain characters. I didn't like the an? Didn't like the ampersand. Ampersand. Ah, ampersand in my title, so I got rid of it. But other than that it was a little It was it was a good experience. It was only a few pages right one or two pages like a nice little wizard it was a little confusing choosing the Choosing the hotel like it.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, cuz it was like it had like the two fields like you know the start date and the end date And then next to it, it had like a search box, but it was like put in a code or something. Right. And I searched for Hyatt in there and it didn't find any Hyatt. So I guess there were codes maybe. So it was just a little funky. I thought maybe I had to go to the next page. I hit next. It said, you can't go next. you have been filled out all the required fields oh no good but i didn't know what fields i didn't fill out what i didn't do was actually select a hotel oh okay so i had to actually select the hotel before i could move forward but once i did that i think they do you know they've every year it's gotten better and better more integrated i will say though the The portal itself was having a bit of an.

Justin Edelstein: Issue today. I. So I did, you know, once I was done, I checked it out. I was like, oh, here's the new, you know, look and feel and the skin of chatter and I'm like, yeah, whatever. And then I logged out, logged back in in the middle of the day. I just wanted to check my, you know, the dates. And it totally broke.

Jason Atwood: Like getting a lot of unable to read event ID. Yeah. Yeah, now we're in expression.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, a lot of that stuff. Apex pages, image landing. It depends on the pattern that you click. You can click a few things and you hop into a look and feel that you're not supposed to see Rude. in certain. And error screens which, you're not supposed to see. So sorry Salesforce. By the way. I mean, it is day one of it getting hammered, so... By the way,

13:10 Jason Atwood: Topics from summer 13 is live in the Dreamforce org. So you can go now and put in topics. So topics in the Dreamforce org I think, kind of interesting, right? So I just topic CloudFocus Weekly in our group, so I don't have to mention it at the end. So now we can add that topic and see who we're liking and following that topic. Follow it. Like it. Follow it. You can follow. I'll be interested in.

Justin Edelstein: I'm interested in it, Tom. Yeah, we've seen this morning people like I registered. I'm number Blah blah blah like oh, that's right. What number you are Yeah, like your registration number like trying to be first like people trying to be first or what number really is I want that. Well, you're before me. I think so. I think you you registered you woke up before I did Early bird gets the worm.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, it's true. I can't wait to see what

Justin Edelstein: What registration I am Alrighty, let's move right along. I think it was almost a month ago, maybe a little longer, about two-factor authentication. Mm-hmm. So, due to some recent hackery, Twitter has gone two-factor. Awesome, Saws. You have to opt into it. But and I'm actually I'm actually not gonna opt into it immediately cuz I hope they fix this oh It's not a fix. It's just I don't like the way they're doing it So you maybe maybe I'm reading this wrong, but basically you go to your Your account yes settings and There's a setting called account security and you check a box that says require a verification code when I sign in Right their version of two factors. So when you go to Twitter calm and sign in It's gonna ask you to then give it a code every single, time yeah every single time.

Justin Edelstein: It's gonna SMS you a code and So I'm actually doing that. Yeah, you have to add your phone your phone should be in there from like when you oh You know when I first signed up for Twitter. It was not this Twitter username That one cuz I think I signed up for Twitter when it was all like mostly SMS base like there wasn't oh Stuff it's saying it's or it's a link to

Jason Atwood: Another Twitter account definitely is Definitely is too.

Justin Edelstein: Yes, but I have to fix that some other time. So I don't actually find that to be the very useful or helpful. I don't But I would like it again if they were do it once every 30 days or do me an app on the phone That I could like Google does it right Google authenticator? Yeah, every time or when you're walking over R I'm in the of Internet cafe or a news source. Has their Twitter hacked? And there was a little protected airways. and I mean you gotta go to two factor but I think this way is a little nutso.

17:33 Jason Atwood: It's a little over the top. I'll turn it on just to try it because I love two factor. But, that's great, and I hope they do it. Well they did it. Everyone knows right behind them, that's all I'm saying.

Justin Edelstein: Everyone should go this way.

Jason Atwood: And again, you don't have to be... Funny thing is Salesforce is two factor. But not two factor that you can opt out of. You cannot opt out of their two factor. You can't turn it on or not turn it on. It's on. It's on.

Justin Edelstein: No, it's shit and it's stuff like that. Well, I don't It's interesting. It's just not it. It's not an opt-in. It's a You can opt into the style that you know, you can know you can opt out.

Jason Atwood: Glared in you can't opt into you have a make you one you can opt out of it

Justin Edelstein: Which basically into the email, but they will keep on thinking of it one way But thankfully Salesforce doesn't say this text

Jason Atwood: This Cell phone is linked to another account because then that would never work cuz then that might be my 10 different Yeah, I don't even I skip it Other, things that has happened in the last that has happened in the last two weeks that we totally missed was Google I.O.

Justin Edelstein: Happened. Google I-O did happen. I say that although might not be true. I don't know how many people do you think we're watching the you know the google i-o live keynote thing? I don't know. I mean, not as many that would watch an Apple keynote line.

Jason Atwood: Well, I'm sorry, I didn't think. Like, Salesforce, Apple, Google, I'm thinking Apple Apple then Google and Salesforce. Yeah. They're going to watch for sure. But such a, it's so main with, you know, Android with Gmail with Chrome. Chrome. Chrome People are pretty interested. I just think. I go I owe it's still pretty geeky I don't think most people know centric right there were

Justin Edelstein: Some of our stuff, and I saw some good Really tell me that I don't know any well some really good like here's some vision stuff Okay, they did some of that stuff like here's where things connect, so Again, they're very much about being open, but they've also created this much like Apple, where if you use all their products, things are better. Right. Obviously, that makes sense. So, if you've got a Android phone and an Android tablet, and you're totally chromed out and using Chrome and Gmail and Calendar and Google Plus is your main social network, which is nobody's main social network.

20:56 Jason Atwood: I don't think... Get in there. I don't think it's anybody's main social network. I think somebody out there that they've said F-U to Facebook and they're on Google Plus. Yeah, well, Facebook and their one point something billion users. That's a very interesting story that came up the other day that teenagers are bailing on Facebook and going to Twitter.

Justin Edelstein: They're like kind of fed up with the app already and they're very different Google plus to me me is very more like the alternative to Facebook. But anyway, you know, they were showing like some really good stuff with hang with Google plus with music with with Google Play this with the store with their with their notification system all tying everything together with location-based services and their new maps.

Jason Atwood: Well that was the big one that you don't even have on the list. I didn't even put it on the list. I think that affects most people on this planet which is that almost everybody uses Google Maps. Yeah. And they redesigned it and it looks... the redesign is, it's gonna be a lot. Of stuff that you want that you're gonna want to let people know more about you, because it's gonna make your mapping experience. That's right.

Justin Edelstein: The more you let Google know about you, the more they will help you. Map things. Or a lot of these services had that kind of thing built into it. right. the more you give, the more you get. Right.

Jason Atwood: It's weird because I'm, I'm, I do care for privacy and I care about privacy, but I don't have a big, I feel like, listen, this information is all out there. What I click on, what I look at, I mean, double click basically killed everybody's internet privacy forever. It's a matter of not that they have it, it's what they use it for. So I don't care that these companies have this data about me, because I feel like they've had this data about me. I think what a bank has about it, I think what American Express has about me. Everything. I mean, I use my Amex all the time. It could put together the most crazy, outrageous profile about me that it wanted to. So... I don't the know, it's just about how they use it.

Jason Atwood: If I use it to make products, if they use it to make products better for me, if they use it a to help me, to help service, to make my life easier, I'm okay with it. If they sell it to somebody who makes my life harder, I'm not okay with it.

Justin Edelstein: So there were a few things that made like the developers, you know, really, really happy in the room and the Google geeks and I was sitting there watching it with a Google geek. I was more listening, he was watching. you know, they're sitting there and they're like... they announce a phone and they say we're gonna we're gonna do our version the Google way the Samsung Galaxy that's for like that they've announced a phone droids their second phone they had well. This is this is not there. So let me there's a difference one was their hardware their software their phone. Okay. This is Samsung's Galaxy. This is the Samsung phone. Right. With stripped out all the Samsung stuff. And what does that mean? It means all the stuff that like the droid, right? The Motorola droid, like every Android's an operating system, but every...

24:06 Justin Edelstein: Every phone manufacturer can do whatever they want with it and bake in some of their own little doodads and things. Okay. And make it their own. So the Galaxy S4 does things that the Motorola Droid can't do, and the Droid does things that the S4 can't do, and vice versa, right? I don't... I'm not immersed in the Android universe, but I understand it at that level. So what they've said is, this is Google's take on how Android should be. Okay, meaning it's right. It's just a platform. So it's just an operating system Here's how we that they have built that we've built but here's how we would do it our UI our skin stripped down None of the carrier stuff on it and the guy sitting with was he was very excited about it Of course, he's like, oh, it's the greatest thing ever and then they're like Yeah, it's 650 bucks.

Justin Edelstein: And I'm like, that's because Samsung didn't get to put their stuff on it. Right. To basically pay for it. To basically pay for it. So if you want one, you can find it. It runs... It's to be like continuously upgrading all that stuff like it's their version of the of the pixel or the chrome pixel That type of thing yeah, the way I think of it is actually it's it's kind of there It's their Controlled phone you know it's not their hardware. It's like we're gonna control everything about this except for the hardware, okay That was interesting. That was, that was interesting.

Jason Atwood: I, I, I'm a huge Apple fanboy, but I, I absolutely want 100% for every other manufacturer to go and get crazy and to build better stuff because I feel like, A, if I wanted to switch, I'd want to know that there's something nice to switch to. Like when I had a, there was nothing to switch to. You like. If the problem goes to a Blackberry, well no, the Blackberry stunk at the time. So it's nice to know that if the iPhone were to turn into whatever they were producing, if they were to go backwards, none of the stuff I believe, but then I could say, great, I know it's a great platform that I'm already indoctrinated in. I know Google Apps, I know Chrome, I know all this stuff, I have some I've done play.

Jason Atwood: That I would be able to pick up and just rock with and be like it has a ton of stuff. I might miss some of my games, I might miss some of my apps, I might miss some things, but in general I'll be, I can kind of make this shift and I'll have Evernote and I'll have Dropbox and I'll have... I think developers nowadays are really building stuff across the platforms.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. There's not too many mobile app developers out there nowadays. I mean there are some, certainly. that are just saying I'm an iOS developer and I'm not going to put my app on Android because that would be silly.

Jason Atwood: Well, I think a lot of them are saying I'm going to build for the iOS first because it's easier. I'll do that. And then I'll build it for Android. And then the Android platform just adds a lot more complexity, especially around screen space, because there's so many. It's like the Apple versus Windows. It's easier to build for the Apple. because it's they're very controlled and the models are very small and they do things in conjunction versus on the windows side you're building for what what platform you're building what version of windows it's like it becomes harder and harder so but yes i so i'm i actually love the fact that there is another out there that Intrees me enough that I'm not gonna leave the Apple platform yet, but if it were I'd be like great There's something to go to as opposed to they're just being a wasteland which would scare me.

27:45 Justin Edelstein: So what else? Well, there's this this education thing, which I thought was very interesting Google Play for education So this basically it throws it allows schools or universities to push like books and applications and other content through Google Plus groups to their students. Which I think is pretty awesome, right? So you're sitting there, you're, your school's on Google, right? Tons of schools are on Google. Universities, you've got Gmail as your.edu account. You've got Google Plus going on with groups, and all of a sudden, you know, a teacher could push a book into the group. or an assignment or something along those lines. And they're, it's just the start of this. So having like an app store specific to education. So it's like iTunes. You. Exactly. All right. But again, like the more you buy in, the more you get out.

Justin Edelstein: So it's that whole ecosystem thing that they're, I think... getting around. It's always been very fragmented and what I saw at the Google I.O. from the keynote was starting to come together a little bit. Google Play is the store. It's where things happen. Google Plus is the place and everything's integrated into it. We. We got Hangouts, we got the Messaging, we got everything sort of baked into this platform. So I thought it was I thought it was a pretty good keynote to be honest They launched Music a new music service. It wasn't music. It was called like music all access or something like that.

Jason Atwood: Yeah competitor to like Pandora or Spotify I guess more Spotify because you had to take stuff offline and you'd rather go get what you want again and ten Well, if you sign up early at $7.99. Yeah, well, whatever. But this is like the ability, so for us who, you know, I'm a big song, song's a guy, you like Pandora, but you don't really get to choose your music. You don't get to go say, I wanna listen to the Prince album. You can say, I wanna listen to a Prince mix, which then, or I wanna listen to songs that are like Prince, and I can say I like this or not. You might be able to find a song to start. But you can't say, throw me that entire right album. So Spotify and now Google access are, you get that, I can get to anything, any kind of access.

Jason Atwood: But I think it's interesting because this is all coming out and I love the war, the wars we're in. Because it's all coming out before the rumors of what's happening at WWE. WWDC, which is in June, which there's the rumors of them putting out an iTunes subscription service. There's the rumors of them putting out a redesigned iPhone. There's the rumors of, you know, so it's cool because great get get all in. And then Google Plus got a full redesign. Totally new look and feel. Looks a lot more like Pinterest than it does anything else. It's a little weird.

30:53 Justin Edelstein: I haven't logged in a long time.

Jason Atwood: I will say I haven't figured out why I do or do not like Google+. I'm gonna log in. There you go. We're gonna listen to you log in. Oh.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. That's interesting. It actually looks a lot like the Facebook timeline view. Yeah, kinda.

Jason Atwood: That's true. But you probably don't use Pinterest, but Pinterest looks a lot like these columns and stuff. I've done the Pinterests. I've signed up for it. Pinterest or Pinterest? I don't know how it's pronounced. whatever. All right, let's move on. All right, moving right along. Let's move on to our cloud folks. I've picked the week. You have this other one. I don't know if this is like... This just interested me at interest.

Justin Edelstein: Interest interest? Interested me as a search person. Okay. So this was not part of IO. This was announced. This was in pilot. It's been in pilot for a while. But now in your gmail.com interface, so if you're a Gmail user, and you use Google Drive and you use Calendar, you can start searching in the Gmail search box and start searching through not only Mail, but Drive and your Calendar. And I think that's awesome because as a search person I like one box to rule them all So I'm in my Gmail and I can start searching and finding Google Docs that are in my drive. It's cool hasn't come to us yet because I'm testing It's rolling out in the US. Okay as we speak and as a enterprise customer don't know if you have to turn it on probably have to turn it on but I think that's awesome that's neat I never use gmail.com but I have I've been on the road and I've used gmail.com from other from other Lap of, you know, someone else's computer or whatever.

Justin Edelstein: I find it fine I just like mail dot app and I'm just so used to it and so used to the shortcut keys I don't want to learn another set of shortcuts and

Jason Atwood: You know, I just use that so yeah, it'd be interesting because drive has its own search box box Yeah, I want it to go the opposite way.

Justin Edelstein: I want drive to be my my search box Right, to get to stuff.

Jason Atwood: But that's the thing is, it even pulls up contacts now and I'm like, don't pull up contacts from in Drive. I'm not trying to get. Contacts, ever, from Drive. Trying to get to documents. Give me documents. But anyway, there you go. All right, well, speaking of Drive and fun things like that, let's get to our CloudFocus app pick of the week. Let's do it. I called you out for this one in... Docs, but I now understand what you're trying to do. So Yeah, why are you calling me out?

34:04 Justin Edelstein: I'm gonna let, you pick it. I was gonna pick, and I am picking, I'm picking hangouts. So this is from the a man is like I'm just gonna pick app exchange products from now on. No I didn't say I said I wanted to go back to my roots last week or two weeks ago as it was and pick an app exchange product, but now I'm picking a Google product to tie into our whole Google theme here that we just talked about about for the last however many minutes. So Hangouts got a the completely redesigned, redone. As people know, I'm a big fan of platform communication service providers. I still to this day use with what to With a group of friends because they're on ones on an Android phone Someone's on a blackberry still t on it.

Justin Edelstein: Everyone else is on iPhone so I wish just everyone just get on the iPhone and then we can just go to I message but Even I message still isn't as good at like keeping the conversations separate as WhatsApp is. The thing that iMessage just rocks at is the cross-platform stuff. Well, that's what this Hangouts does. So Hangouts has an iPhone app, they have an app, they have apps for the iOS, I'm picking it for the iPhone. And your conversations... can cross over the iPhone to the iPhone app, they show up in your Gmail, they show up on Google+, they can include video conferencing for up to 10 people. So this is where they're starting to rock a little bit, right, that's better than FaceTime or.

Jason Atwood: So, I'm gonna go ahead and do a little bit of a better than iMessage can do at this point. Well, that's the thing about Hangouts now. The Hangouts is now both... It used to be just sort of... It used to be just video. Now it's chatting.

Justin Edelstein: Right. And it shows up everywhere. So it's persistent. I can go into my Gmail.com account. If I did. and pull up the Google Hangout that I started on my iPhone with someone else and see the picture that we took and sent to each other and see all the basically like super text text messaging. It's iMessage from Google.

Jason Atwood: With IMessage on steroids a little bit. With fact with with with with iMessage has video it has on Face. a time with up to 10 people.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah It's a little and it shows up in a browser I can be anywhere and I can pull up my conversations in Google Plus or in Gmail. So it's everywhere. It's really very well done.

Jason Atwood: How would this be used in a corporate environment?

Justin Edelstein: It's a good question. I'm not certain. And I mean, we use iMessage because we're standard on... on iPhones, I think if we maybe cared about compliance with our text messaging, maybe we might use Hangouts, although I'm not sure they're stored anywhere. You know, doing video chats of more than two or three people at a time, Hangouts a good thing. Being able to, you know, have that persistent chat When you're not at your specific laptop is another good example of why you might use it, right? So there's a few good reasons to use hangouts You know if you're traveling and you're you're sitting at you know You don't have your your laptop or maybe you're sitting at somebody else's computer. You're at a library or you're somewhere, right? You can totally pull it up Anywhere hasnt been enabled on our in our Google account org.

37:52 Justin Edelstein: No, it has not. All right But it is on your personal one so you can check it out. Yep I've been checking it out and I think it's pretty neat actually. Yeah. I mean, I like the idea a little app.

Jason Atwood: It's free I feel like I start to get into that kind of like where is everybody?

Justin Edelstein: Well, yeah, that's the whole thing I face books. It's too much. It's too much.

Jason Atwood: I message whatever I don't mind having them for different spots, like you now log into Facebook, now Facebook with the, what do they call it, chat heads or whatever, heads. So you log into Facebook and I see everybody's online and I can start chats and this, you know, it's an inter-system. Someone started messaging me today and I got a

Justin Edelstein: Notification in my notification center that I got a Facebook message. Yes. I was like, oh, I gotta turn that off. Yes, well I turned this off. Well I didn't even know that one existed. Oh yeah. Like I gotta turn that one off-off. I just have it hidden on. I mean have it always off so it doesn't never get notifications until I let it.

Jason Atwood: All right, well cool. That's very free and good and from Google. Mine is not free. Not from Google, but pretty good. I will say warning. I know Justin likes to... pick stuff that he's never tried and be like, I'm picking that, never tried it. But I just share the love. I'm sharing something that I have done a quick POC with. So I spent an hour or two playing with. So that's not a full endorsement. I haven't used it for ten years. It's not like, you know, Concomposer where I would... say to anybody do it, use it, don't look back. This is not something I've never used, it's somewhere in between. I just want to say that to start. That takes my pics very, very seriously. So the other day someone came to us, our client came to us with the problem of having duplicates in their org.

Jason Atwood: And it was very simple. Lots of duplicates. Duplicate problem. But lots of them. Lots of them. But they were really matched up on a very easy to identify thing. It's like A and B. Now if you have a couple, I've shown people how to do some reporting, you can basically just not sort by but group by that field and then I go into my browser and search by two records and then it'll bring you to the place where there's two of them and then you figure out how to go merge them, go and figure them out merge them. But when you do it with hundreds, it's going to take a long time. So we looked at, we looked at, What's the other one? Not Data Junction. What's it called? Are you talking about demand tools?

Jason Atwood: Demand tools and, but it has a very high price.

Justin Edelstein: It starts high and still higher. Demand tools is pricey if you're not a non-profit. Right. Well this was not a non-profit. This was a for-profit institution. Yeah, if you're a non-profit, demand tools is... for me. That's pretty good. And it's a real deals tool. Yeah, it is very good. But it's also,

Jason Atwood: You know, not cloud based. It is client based. Client based. So you know, whatever. So I found this one, you had actually heard about it, I went on, looked it up, played with it a little bit. Anyway, it's called Cloud Dingo and it is a... Fully web-enabled things, so it's cloud-based, you install it from the AppExchange. You install the agent in your Salesforce org and then you go log into it. You have to have an account at it. And then you can hook up many orgs within it. you can build these sort of rules of things you want to look for. And then having built it, it'll run it and takes a while to run it to say what it found as matches. And then you can give it rules to say match, merge or show it to me.

41:23 Jason Atwood: And I'll pick, right, you can kind of do any way. I can either show me each one and I'll just merge and keep going. But it allows you to merge them. And then we'll send it back to Salesforce and merge them for you. Thank you. Or, and I think the thing that it kind of gets a little bit better than demand tools, is that you can schedule it. So you can say, because it's in the cloud, you can say, go every day and find this stuff and merge it up for me. That's great, because demand tools has been missing that for...

Justin Edelstein: I mean, I've been working with demand tools for years and I've always wanted a scheduling interface. I'm like, can I just schedule this on like Windows Scheduler? No.

Jason Atwood: So CloudDingo, and it is so it's on the AppExchange. You can try it for free for 10 days. It has a nice user interface. I definitely think it suffers from a little bit of like, I don't know, it's like, it's a little bit all over the place. But I think once I got used to it, I was like, okay, okay, here's the dashboard.

Justin Edelstein: Demand tools is really all over the place. But once you get used to it, it's like really simple.

Jason Atwood: So, and it starts at 996 a year for the Salesforce org, per Salesforce org. I do. I doロ and then if that's the basic, and then standards 1596, which allows you to do more,ILLt, scheduling comes with 1500.

Justin Edelstein: It comes with support to yeah, comes with support, the, the second level comes with, oh,

Jason Atwood: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, better. It's at the first level. It comes with like basic go find you find it on the boards and then consulting allows you to do I think multiple works and it's that's like five grand a year. Because it's Cloud Dingo, it's hosted as a dingo, it's also Australian, so it's like, putting a little shrimp on your data. Like it's got all these things that it's doing as it's doing its stuff. Because it does take time and I don't just think you're gonna click a button, it's gonna give you a lesson, it's gonna click a button, you're gonna say go, and then it's gonna say, come back in a while and we'll figure it out. The other thing is, for security stake, it's really pulling data away from your org. It's not doing it and I a because I think the use case was sort of a one-off use case, So CloudDingo starts at almost $1,000, 996, I don't know All right, well, that's it.

Jason Atwood: Any more emotional outbursts from you, Justin? Discuss us on discuss on the blog tell us how you like it hit us up on the many different places We're in Google plus, although of course there is no earl to get to Google Plus yet. Hopefully they'll figure it out Until we see you next week And we will be back next week. It's Jake and Justin saying enjoy those cloudy days I

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