Lightening The Load - Episode #252 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:00 Jason Atwood: This r This episode of CloudFocus Weekly is brought to you by The Permissioner by Arkus. It truly is permission sets made easy. Justin, how are you doing today?

Justin Edelstein: A You like a cold or anything like that it's just a bit of a hurt.

Jason Atwood: Go full pirate for the whole podcast. the whole podcast. If we had one of those patches, I would wear it. Yeah, I mean I'm I'm generally I'm fine. Okay. Yeah. Which is great podcasting by the way. I have a friend who says that now and it's bugging me because it's gotten into my Blah blah blah blah. Yeah, it's gotten into my lexicon Blah blah blah blah. Yeah, like that. Yeah, it goes blah blah blah blah. So it's like conversation blah blah blah blah blah Conversation really? Yeah, that's a thing. It's a thing and The person says it promulgate that it's actually now I say it now cuz you know, you have a friend right over this person You do lately

Justin Edelstein: Huh not directly when you know of the person I know of the person have we met have we broken bread you have You have passed the holla

Jason Atwood: But the hall thought that was a clue the hall was a clue but anyway So you know when you You have a friend who like uses a terminology I've been trying to fight literally in my house because that is literally the most you literally use literally thing ever on a how do you feel about it and I honestly hate literally as much as I honestly hate blah blah blah blah no I don't sorry Oh, it's just these things they get. Oh they get cloud and blonde. Yeah, and whatever You know and so forth

03:07 Justin Edelstein: And yada yada yada yada yada Do you just yada yada? I just I just you know what I Get I know referencing Seinfeld I just have never seen. Seen it. And we thought that's the thing I know when I'm referencing a Seinfeld reference because they're so well, ubiquitous in our lexicon here and I understand what what I'm doing. I just can say with certainty that I've never actually seen the thing. I'm referencing. And we can talk about it. We can talk about my Seinfeld issues.

Jason Atwood: Well, we're rattling all over the place here at this point. But what's been interesting is, so I've mentioned on the podcast that my daughter, my 11-year-old daughter, has become kind of obsessed with listening to our podcast. Right.

Justin Edelstein: And so What did you just do? Oh, no, you just mouthed something.

Jason Atwood: I didn't know something Anyway, this podcast is moving on that she enjoys very much. She enjoys very much. So and falls asleep too probably But so what the one episode she now like will tell you which episode she likes the most Definitely, I got to talk to her and she's she really likes the guilty pleasures one the one where we talked about our guilty pleasure TV and apparently we said dating well like the naked gold rush and things like that but apparently I made a comment about my wife so then my daughter then uses against the wife oh I so make so

Justin Edelstein: Many little lady references too I know well wait wait till

Jason Atwood: The daughter gets to see the little lady next and make comments about all the little lady references.

Justin Edelstein: No, the kid's gotta know that she can't be doing this.

Jason Atwood: You can't control this. You actually say these words and you then put them out into the universe. I never say anything that I wouldn't care if the little lady heard. There you go. Me neither. But the reference was that in the the guilty pleasures... I said that my wife watches terrible, terrible TV and I made a comment about Vampire Diaries and that... Did she try to come to the defense of Vampire Diaries? No, no, she... And I said that it was just funny because she doesn't care that she watches Terrible and she's unabashedly like doesn't defend it. But she doesn't call it like a guilty pleasure. She's like, I just love that show. She said, it's terrible and I love it and I don't care. Right.

Justin Edelstein: We call them guilty like we did we called them guilty pleasures and the little ad and I have tons of guilty pleasure So I was thinking since I was so popular

Jason Atwood: In the outhouse hold stuff You know, I'm getting a lot of feedback on our podcast nowadays. I'm just telling you from the kid. Well from both I was like it's listening to so I she had to go back and re-listen to the episode where I talked about to make sure Let's see what I said. So I thought maybe for next time We would maybe go back and do one of our special episodes.

Justin Edelstein: Okay. I'd like to do a what we're watching now. Because I'm watching a lot of stuff on Hulu. So one of my wife's big on getting... Hey, don't do it. No, no, no, I'm not doing anything bad.. I'm not ruining the next episode. But the wife got me for my birthday. She she pays for Hulu and Netflix and stuff like that in the house. Those are like her things. Right. And I've been bugging her for like. Ever since you told me about it, the commercial free Hulu. Oh, yeah, I've been bugging her for like dollars more months, probably like. And it's like right in your face when you don't have it. Oh, I don't. Yeah. So I don't see that. It's like, get this commercial free. So.

06:46 Jason Atwood: I've been bugging her like why don't

Justin Edelstein: We Hulu commercial free and it really does open up a whole new sphere of Watching television because I find myself Watching more things that are on now on networks Because I commercial it's just there and it's commercial free.

Jason Atwood: I I'm glad that 11 months after I made it a pick of the week that you've picked it's awesome. I love it It's it's actually better than yeah, it's better than

Justin Edelstein: Netflix because it's Network television that you watch sometimes.

Jason Atwood: Netflix has better series because they have deeper series. Who doesn't have deeper series? Are you talking original or like already existing? I'm saying already existing. So you want to go back and watch the series of something. Who doesn't go back very far? Very like... Sometimes some of their partnerships are good very rare and see you you think oh I can go back and watch modern family on who No, no, you're stuck it like the last four episodes Anyway, so I said so next week. Let's make let's make our commitments do like let's do a what we're watching now I'm being staff. Well, we'll definitely news because new

Justin Edelstein: Streaming stuff and what we're watching on regular old school TV. But at this point everything is streaming. I mean I even record things and stream them. Well everything is streaming because I, I mean I won't name it, but one of my favorite new shows on television is on FX. And it's like, I do T-vo it, but I could watch now. Right. But that that has commercials, but I can't skip them. Right. So I do T-voing. Right. Because I want to watch it every week because it's one of my favorite shows. For everyone out there, go ahead and guess. So, the list, five episodes, five shows, done easy, it's in my head. Alright, well don't even try to make a list. Try and make a list, try to do some homework once. Nope. Finish it, let's get that.

Justin Edelstein: So let's talk about Dreamforce.

Jason Atwood: We'll get it next week. Alright, cool. So, let's have a dream for us. So,

Justin Edelstein: Would you watch on the way out?

Jason Atwood: Terrible. Should I post a picture of you sleeping on the way back? You probably should. I don't lie now. Hey man, fall asleep.

Justin Edelstein: There's so many photos of me sleeping. Next to you. I have a question,

Jason Atwood: Like catching you sleeping. Catching me sleeping. The best is that the partner should not be named is in the background like also not in the office. No, he's eating lunch.

Justin Edelstein: I remember him sleeping too like we're both kind of out of it.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, so how was your dream force? Which is by the way the number one asked question. How are you there? How's your dream force going? How's it going?

Justin Edelstein: I had a really nice Dreamforce. I felt like I did Dreamforce a lot differently this year than I've I think I've ever done Dreamforce. I have typically gone real hard at Dreamforce. Like overloaded my mornings, overloaded my days. and just completely stay out way too late. So this stream force, I made a concerted effort to not commit to a whole lot, like not a whole lot on my agenda builder, not a whole lot of sessions, not a whole lot of events. Just went with the flow and I knew what I wanted to see I knew I wanted to Go to the keynote even though I Tend to hate myself Midway through or going to single year. There's definitely here's the thing. Let's figure out the time It's when Alex day own comes on the stage.

10:33 Justin Edelstein: Is that it? That is it? I think it's when Mark leaves and Alex comes on and does the story about something stupid that isn't real And then I get mad when a bear is chewing the wires in the server room.

Jason Atwood: Which one's more realistic? Ordering a Coke and having it delivered by a drone or a bear chewing the wires.

Justin Edelstein: No, the drone delivery is a thing. It actually is a thing. Now, of a six pack of Coca-Cola, maybe not so much. Things get delivered via drone that is real if they don't now they will well they're delivering HIV medication in Remote locations in Africa via drones. Yes, it is true and that's way more important than a six-pack of coke so yeah That's happening Bears in server room giving hugs when they fix it. I want someone to use the virtual reality. I want to use the virtual reality. With the VR helmet, with the Samsung note exploding in the face, maybe. And Samsung, whatever. It's the note, right? I think it's Samsung Galaxy 7. the net but it's the it's called the note i don't know that's not my universe whatever it is whatever it is in people's

Jason Atwood: Faces well you've seen that they now have to like they're saying they're sending back well first two things on that weird another rat hole we could call this the rat hole we on the plane going out they said if you have a galaxy seven which i think is what it is they said turn it off immediately wasn't like put it in plane mode you hear that oh yeah well you were probably and then Then now when they're sending to get them back, because they're doing this massive recall, which I read is going to say they're it's going to cost them 5.4 billion dollars. They're sending like flame proof things with gloves to send it back. Right. I've seen that. That's how dangerous your phone is. Like, That's crazy!

Justin Edelstein: Don't even touch it! gonna hurt you. That's crazy.

Jason Atwood: A lot of things are saying, I mean, although, we could talk about that too. Google announced a new phone, although we don't really know much about it. I was starting to research it, but then I got caught on one of their websites and I just went away from it. but anyway, all right. So let's go back to Dreamforce. So you didn't, so you took the Outwood plan, which is to like,

Justin Edelstein: Put yourself at night. We went out Monday. for your birthday. It was my birthday that Monday so I did go out that night. Yep. Had some fun, had my traditional dinner with our partner who shall remain nameless at our special spot. Who shall only be named once maybe is what we could say.

Jason Atwood: It was our special spot. Yes.

Justin Edelstein: We ordered we ordered tons of food.

Jason Atwood: I eat. I love that you think it's your special spot, yet I have been there and I went- You should never go there. You could die if you- And I went there before you went there and I went there- You should never go there.

Justin Edelstein: You should never, ever go there. You could die there. But anyway, it's great. We love it. We ordered tons of food. A lot of food. We had a good time. we also then, you know, Tuesday we, we again, we had our party. It was great. Our party was just such a fun time. I feel like you were videoing a lot at the party and I haven't seen any of these videos. You know what? I need you to share those with everybody. I could put it well, I'm not sure. No, can you do it in our Google Drive in a folder? No, I'll put them in the Apple photo share and I'll share it to you and the partner. Why? Why? I feel like our employees might want to actually see those, too. Like, I feel like Google Drive is a good spot for that.

14:13 Justin Edelstein: Those photos and maybe the videos. I mean, we're having a lot of fun. Maybe a band. I mean, and they were letting us yell into the microphones.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, I'm glad you didn't say sing. A lot of, no, no singing. Because the videos do prove that you were not singing. There's no singing here. Lots of yelling.

Justin Edelstein: So we had good times, good times there. You were on mic,

Jason Atwood: It was a hot mic. You knew it was a hot mic.

Justin Edelstein: Had to do it. So lots of fun. And then, you know, we had the Wednesday. Was the big keynote staff lots of hype around Right Einstein, but all of which we've discussed on our podcast on Thursday

Jason Atwood: So I'm just like in general how it was rank it It's the best ever one one through nine rank it Hello fall in the top three

Justin Edelstein: You know It's somewhere between like three and five. It wasn't the best, it wasn't the worst, it was somewhere in the middle. I feel- You're two is such a great concert. We could rank the concert separately, but that's a different thing. Well, the best concert was my first Dreamforce, which was Foo Fighters, which was in the hall in Moscone South, which- is where the keynote was this year. I think that's south. Maybe that's north. Anyway, one of those. And it was like, I'm standing there in the third row at a Foo Fighters concert. And that's just amazing. But you choose. I don't know how you top that. If you're just going to keep trying to top yourself every year, I don't know how you do that with

Jason Atwood: You two being the headline My three big takeaways for Dreamforce. One. Over the last three years, even though the registration numbers have gone up, the feel of people has gone down. It felt like less people this year, partly because the way they did the keynotes and whatever, it felt like less people than I've ever, than I've felt in the last three years. I think I know why. Well, but just let me speak and then you can speak and that's how the podcast goes.

Justin Edelstein: No. One of us speaks, then the other one speaks. No. Were you going to say why you thought it was less?

Jason Atwood: I already said because I think the keynote alone, when you make it in a smaller room, you definitely make it feel smaller because you're not surrounded by 10,000 people. And then... Everywhere I went, anything I did, there were people, but I never felt, I never waited in massive lines, I never waited, whatever, I went through all the different areas. This is a big plus for me because while I think there's the braggadocious, hey, we have of 175,000 registered people, which, you know. again, I'm rolling my eyes, it doesn't feel that way. And that's good because I don't want it to feel like 175,000 people because it felt like 175,000 people. I think Dreamforce would be undoable. It would just be you just being crowds. So no matter if I was in the admin meadow, if I were you know in Moscone West, which I was in a lot, I went to the I went to the you know the main Whatever.

17:17 Jason Atwood: The main expo which they put back to one big expo this year. Remember they've been splitting it up. You know, they always try different things. That was one takeaway. The second was, I'm still amazed at how Trailhead branding, this non-revenue generating small percentage of Salesforce users actually using, I'm guessing under 5%. And I bet I'm way high. the branding around that has now at least took over Dreamforce. I don't think it's going to take take over Salesforce, but it took over Dreamforce.

Justin Edelstein: It was, it could have been called trailhead force for everything was trailhead brand. Remember there's been trailhead DX was the developer conference.

Jason Atwood: I don't know if they just reused all the, the, the stuff, but, and I thought that was interesting and interesting shift. Salesforce one tours come around to see what they look like. And I, the last thing is. Dreamforce is no longer to me a place where I'm going to learn new stuff. It's been happening for the last couple of years. Where they do pre-announcements and they show you stuff in advance. Last year was lightning and remember we had lightning in advance. Like we knew about it. I don't know what the year before was. Maybe it was Salesforce 1 or something. I feel like there was, there used to be an excitement about new stuff and getting and seeing it. I think actually Salesforce one, maybe four years ago, whenever they announced it, remember they, like they said, like, go download it now.

Jason Atwood: And it was like, in the morning of, they're like, go get it. And it was, you had this chatter when they announced it in the keynote. There was a time back in the day that you had an announcement and it felt And then you spent the rest of the time trying to figure out what that, oh, let's go see it and let's go get our hands on it. And while there were some things, they were so undercut by by bears in data centers. Well,

Justin Edelstein: Einstein was a big deal, but it was pre-announced. We knew it was pre-announced. I mean, we're back in the, as you would say, Dizay. Yeah, I do say that. There were two keynotes. And that was it. There were no product keynotes. It was two keynotes, actually three. There were two Mark Benioff keynotes and then there was the special guest. So during those two keynotes, one was more product focused and the other was more company focused. and during the product focused keynotes they would show you things And they'd be like, get ready for this. Right. Cause you've been asking for it. And now here it is. And they would just show off features and people would love it. And now they show off highfalutin ideas. Right now. I wouldn't call Einstein a feature. It's definitely a feature.

Justin Edelstein: Maybe eventually. Well, the things they showed automatically scoring. Go use it right now. Turn on Einstein.

Jason Atwood: Can you do that? There's no Einstein, right? Like it doesn't exist, right. It exists. It's actually on the pricing sheet as it's called Salesforce. Einstein is like the additions. I can't figure it out. Have not spent much time, so please don't yell at me on Twitter. Let that like, oh, it's right there. I've spent zero time, other than I went on the other day to look at pricing. And it was all over. I understand it was all over, embedded inside the Salesforce licensing, you know, matrix. Again, it didn't feel... It just, it just, it, it's, and part of it's part of us being MVP. Got to admit, right? Part of it's we do get sometimes NDA, say, FARB or whatever, some preview to stuff, which I think is great. But I, that feeling that kind of, and I'll make, it's hard to compare to Apple, but that kind of, here's the new stuff that you've been waiting to see moment at Apple.

21:11 Jason Atwood: I think is great and I miss it a little bit. I miss that sitting in the keynote waiting to see something that I have never seen before in my life, right? And I like that. So I, cause I think that's part of, part of what the draw to be there and to be in the keynote. Whereas the keynote now, as you said, like there's the not, there's the sort of, The community-based stuff or the nonprofit-based stuff which is always amazing the foundation-based stuff But I almost I might just next year just have to leave right after then just have to be like Okay, okay, I gotta go because you're about to get into the stuff that Yeah, it's just it's it's no longer Anyway, so I just I remember when they announced visual force.

Jason Atwood: I mean that there was stuff that they announced that we were sitting there like, what? Build your own pages. That's crazy. And then they showed you and here's a demo and you felt like, wow, I know it's like, oh, there it is. Cool.

Justin Edelstein: And then maybe it was coming the next week. It's like, yeah, the chatter so close to his collaboration. Right. The releases are so close right to dream for. set it. used to be here's this thing and it'll be available in the next release. And the next release was like usually a couple of weeks away. Usually I think they were doing the release after because it's... Well sometimes you'd already have the release notes for that one. It's going to be in the spring release. And it was like something you really look forward to. And then you spend a little while planning for it. But I mean I remember getting very excited at like And, I think this is when the true to the core movement really started, but you know, I really very vividly remember Mark standing on the stage announcing criteria based sharing rules.

Justin Edelstein: Okay, I vividly remember there being a huge round of applause for that particular feature the background. I mean, we have gone so far away from that. Right. That we have bears chewing wires. So like I said, the moment is whenever Alex Day because his story is generally the most ridiculous.

Jason Atwood: I wonder if he like does he ever read the script and be like what really? Aliens came down and stole my CRM and now I have to like use Something to go get it in the analyst cloud.

Justin Edelstein: Alright, so let's wrap up dream forest I actually it was a bow on it It's it's it's a dream force. I've ever been and you're not sick You always did not get second either. No, I think it's a dream

Jason Atwood: Force headache I'm really I would have already been I really enjoyed it the good and the bad I actually like the layouts of the stuff. I like them. and the keynotes were up in the middle of the sound.

Justin Edelstein: There's the Einstein Like where the admin zone previously had been. It was just this emptiness. There was nothing there. Could have put a podcast studio there. Could have been something there. Could have put a podcast studio there. Could have been going to go that far? I was just going to say there could have been something there. I can go that far. There was a store. All right, so let's talk about it. Yeah, a store. Come on, guys. Well, that should have been a red store. Why do you like you could have put you could have had two red pop ups. Why why a Salesforce store? What sales force gear? There's so much free stuff. Why would you buy anything? I bought seven t-shirts.

24:47 Jason Atwood: Let's talk about winter 17, which hit in our org. I b. features, there's tons on the blog about it blog.argosync.com. I, I'm flipping over. We've talked about it a lot I. some pieces of it that I was really starting to like, okay, I'm going to use this. I was like, okay, let's just, I wanna try to use Lightning once a day, go to the gym, use Lightning once a day. But then I had to go do something and I clicked on, Hado-go, because we use work.com, maybe a Salesforce product, I don't know, and First one was, I was still seeing errors. I was still seeing errors. They're weird, they're new errors. They pop up very quickly, then they go away. They don't see you go away.

Justin Edelstein: You'll say do you want to give me feel oh? They like there'll be a little error thing in this little drop-down thingy is cool, but it it's

Jason Atwood: A little slow Well, let's get I'm gonna get to my second point. Okay, who is there's still four releases in There are huge missing pieces that are missing from the functionality. There is not an answer for custom buttons to links, to reports, to pop-up reports, which we use constantly. We have apps in there and things that do so, or cannot use it. So I immediately can't do stuff. And then there's Salesforce features, full-on applications, things I pay for that don't exist in lightning. And then lastly, it is still doggedly slow. I did a side by side comparison, because I was going back and forth with somebody on Twitter. I did a side by side comparison. It was double. It was twice as slow as doing the exact same task, meaning just a click, wait for the screen, a click, wait for the screen, click here, and do something.

28:15 Jason Atwood: It was... twice as much time. So it was two seconds versus four seconds or whatever the number was. So I just, I don't know what to say other than I don't understand how we're in a world of massive processors and computers and things in our pocket that are more powerful than computers were five, ten years ago, and we have an application that... feels and acts sluggish and makes me just cringe to be in it because I can't move around at lightning speed. First of all, marketers, please don't name something lightning if it's not quick. Name it Turtle because turtle speed is awesome, right? Hey, new Salesforce Turtle. It's slow, but you're gonna like it. Like, I don't know, like that's what I would worry. So I'm so excited for the like, the vision. I'm so not enjoying the journey.

Jason Atwood: How's that? I'm not enjoying it, cause I can't do what I to do and I wanna use it. But every time I turn around to try to use it, I can't use it. Yeah, I think our org has been...

Justin Edelstein: Customize beyond. But work.com isn't our org.

Jason Atwood: Like being able to click into things or click into pop-up windows and stuff like that, I feel is just a missing. And then just slowness is, I don't know, it's just inexcusable. It is slow.

Justin Edelstein: Everything's loading in the client and it's just slow.

Jason Atwood: It's slow. But is that going to be like, is that it? Is it so is it lightning going to always be slow and that's just okay. Or are we going to fight back? I mean, have you gone in since winter 17? Use lightning? I'm staying away from lightning. So I have not. Even though you have a lightning super badge?

Justin Edelstein: I have a lightning experience super badge, yeah. But that was actually when it was in spring. But either way, I mean, I just know that it would frustrate me. to be in here all the time, partly because it is slower. And the other part is because we actually haven't, having with the lightning super badge, we haven't actually gone in and made our org ready for lightning like not. Not in terms of like stuff working, just being like this could be so much better. Yes. Then the out of the box, what it looks like in lightning, because we could really soup up a lot of our record pages.

31:30 Jason Atwood: Totally. And I and I agree. That's the part that I think is exciting. And again, I'm trying to put this into two lights, right? I'm trying to make it like there's a positive side and a negative side. And I was sitting there today talking to one of our employees and saying, you know, we're a lot of this stuff can be built Like a lot of stuff that we're missing Obviously not things like work that comment just don't exist but things that are missing Could be built with with you know Lighting components and I part of me is like we got to rebuild a lot of our org. That's great. We're a dev shop. I got Devs, I can build lighting components all over the time. We do lighting components, let's do some. Build them up, throw them out there, no problem.

Jason Atwood: But then I feel like there's a lot of orgs out there that are gonna be looking around. It's time to build lighting components.

Justin Edelstein: It's look at page, make sure that you have the page set up. in a good organized way, make sure you have compact, compact layouts. Like who, whoever worried about, you know, compact layouts, right? Unless you're using your feed and looking at the things that are created in your feed and want data in them. But if you're not thinking that way, like having a highlights panel at the top of every record with sort of nothing in it. It's not cool. No, it's not, it covers not really showing things. Also not cool. Not cool, yeah. So there's lots of little things that you can do to make the experience a lot better. And then like you did, you know, you took this homepage and you dropped, you know, a couple, a couple of list views on there.

Justin Edelstein: And that's all I have for you today. which is nice, right? So the idea of thinking through what would be nice to have in certain areas within the experience is something that we really haven't gone through the exercise of doing for our own org. Probably makes sense to do, knowing that at some point or another, we're going to be working in orgs like this, more like this than the classic.

Jason Atwood: Side of things. Oh, hold on. I just clicked on the forecast tab. Oh, good luck on that one.

Justin Edelstein: Does it just blow up? It doesn't. Oh, at least it gives you a link.

Jason Atwood: Well don't you think that's what the... I don't mean lightning... Don't you think that's at least what work.com should do?

Justin Edelstein: Then it opens in another tab. in your browser window. I wonder what happens when I close that tab and come back to lightning experience. Do you kick me out or do you understand? Oh, good for you. You understood?

Jason Atwood: So some interesting stuff. You know, again, I get the future. I get the thing. Let's get out of here. Let's do some crowd focus app picks of the week. Let's go. Do it. Oh, doing it. We already said next week we're going to do a special episode on our, what we're watching now. Streaming now. Yeah.

34:33 Justin Edelstein: Right. I like it. We're not streaming. just while we're watching. While we're watching. So I'm picking Giphy for iOS. Nice. We are big fans of Giphy within Slack here at Arkus. We use Giphy quite a bit for fun stuff. It's set, I think, at a PG rating. Definitely not R rated. That's for. For sure. For those who don't know, Giphy is what is it? I'm getting there. So we use it a lot. It's fun. It's an interesting and fun way to communicate by sending animated gifs. So Giphy is like the library for animated gifs on the web. And... You can use it- It goes in it searches Giphy and brings back something something relevant. It might be relevant. phone, it has that little icon where you can go and search for gifts and by default it searches Bing and I was not loving that.

Justin Edelstein: So if you install the app on iOS, the application is actually built in a way that's extensible so you can tell split. for like like add an app to this search and then you add Giphy in and now I'm using what I know and I love which is Giphy to send these animated gifs as opposed to searching Bing because I looked for things and it would Be like wait

Jason Atwood: Ask aple and I think that's just a

Justin Edelstein: It's not if you Google but whatever I think they're they just have a falling out with Google same with the maps like they had to go build their own maps no, whatever I said if the for iOS iOS it's there it's free plugs right in I mean And you can, it has its app. It's kind of like Bitmoji is like a keyboard, but it also has the app. Same thing. It's an app that then just gets plugged into Messenger. Right. Which is cool because I like the whole new Messenger experience where you can do more rich things where it's like Slam or Confetti or GIF. That's just... a lot more a lot more fun and just sex to be still have a green friends and the green friends on that enjoy it and green friends are living in a world where their phones explode in their hands and that's fine by making a house that they Hate, hate texts.

Jason Atwood: You're into some slams. from text. I'll just hand out your phone number right now and we'll see how that goes. I'm going to pick, I probably pick this every year. this is, this is my flu shot. Yeah, you love this thing. Well, I don't love this. You love hate this thing. I love hate this thing. You have a love-hate relationship. Very big love-hate relationship. But here's the thing. This is not owned by, actually I was wrong, this is not owned by this company anymore. Really? They sold it off. No kidding. So I'm kind of doing it as a, hopefully the world will get better. So I'm picking Quicken. Quicken 2017. So wait, who owns it? It's a different company. It's not into it anymore. It's not into it? They spun it off.

38:15 Jason Atwood: Oh wow. That was actually surprising. So, for those who don't know what Quicken is, Quicken is a... you know, a personal finance tracking software. You know, you can hook it up up to all your online accounts, it downloads it all, it can do reporting, it can do this, it can do that. It's the way I do all my finances. I keep all my finances in Quicken and then I put them all in, you know, I have a spreadsheet that kind of gives me a little like cash flow kind of thing. But that's how I manage my finances. But Quicken 2017 just came out yesterday. I bought it immediately That's how it's kind of like a flu shot because I have 21 years of data in Quicken I've been using Quicken since 1995 and So almost we're getting on half my life of using one piece of software.

Jason Atwood: It's a little weird Anyway, so it is there's a couple new features in it What I'm really kind of excited about is it's owned by a different company now because Intuit for years has just let this thing flounder. They added some nice features actually. The one that I like in Quicken is that you can actually compare years, year over year, to say, oh, how much did I spend on groceries last year versus this year or the last month versus this month? So you can kind of get that. analysis. There's probably lots of other software. I mean, QuickBooks does this type of stuff. But anyway, Quicken 2017 for Mac. I bought it yesterday. It seems nice. It works. It still connects up to all my accounts. It does all that great stuff. Better reporting. 79 bucks, which is a little, a little steep, but maybe now in the days of like everything's a subscription.

Jason Atwood: It's not so bad, but I think I have 69 because I already owned Quicken 2016. But so that's it. so quick and even though it's different company So it's a different company But they but they honored it if you white went I went into quick and it popped the window and said Upgrade now and so I did it. I this is one of the few that I upgrade every every year, right? every year Quick two seconds.

Justin Edelstein: Why why do you need to update this every year? What do they do every year that makes this? Look, is it purely like a usability? We changed a few things around, because it, or is it like tax code? Because it's not a- No, it's not tax software. It's not a tax thing.

Jason Atwood: So like why does it need to be updated every year? It doesn't. Oh wait, do I need to? Like do when it comes out, do I need to? They make an upgrade every year, right? Well,

Justin Edelstein: Because they're a software company and they wanna make money. They wanna make money and sell it. Yes. Do you really need the newest version? What does the version do that the older version didn't do that you're like? Yes, thank you. I was waiting for that thing Well, I'll say there's two things

Jason Atwood: That have hit one the hit just recently in the old version which they have much better Reconciliation, which is great. And then this one has better much better reporting It's not that, it's just that I have so much invested in this software and I use it so often, I use it once a week for whatever, I put in all my stuff and it controls something that is so important to me like my finances that I'm willing to pay $79 because I don't want, I can't not have that work. So if I'm on the most current version that if I ever have a problem, I call Quicken or whoever the company is now. So, and I also, I use it a lot and I've known this. software for 21 years, so it's kind of like, oh, let's see what's new and in it, and the $79 doesn't stop me.

41:35 Jason Atwood: So that's why. Again, it's an important thing in my life, my finances, my household finances. This is a software that kind of controls that, so I'm willing to just go for it immediately. Kind of stupid too, although the old version is still there, so I can, I mean, I think I have like four versions, so I can go back. back. I'm going to go terrible and I might lose like a couple days with the transactions, but I gave that's fine. So you can always kind of back out of it, but I think it's good version. I'm glad to see a new company owns it. But hopefully they're going to be much ratter at support and keeping things up to date and let's move on with our life. All right. Justin, you can move on with him at Twitter at Justin.

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