NPSP Relaunch - Episode #254 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:16 Jason Atwood: This is the tour. I thought I thought that CloudFocus Weekly is brought to percept for Arkus ARK US. I'm your host Jason Edward and join me co-host with the most for 254 times in a row. Justin Middlename not to be told.

Justin Edelstein: At Austin My middle name is is is out there, I think.

Jason Atwood: I was making a reference to our number one fan who was. Oh,

Justin Edelstein: She. Well, I don't think she wants to know my middle name. I think she just doesn't know it and I won't tell her. OK.

Jason Atwood: We will move on from that. So we have a well, not a light agenda a topic that is singular in focus.

Justin Edelstein: Which is to talk about the non-p Second So it gave you all the time to figure out what that meant.

Jason Atwood: Aye. Tell me all the stuff I don't know.

Justin Edelstein: -A- I and MPSP the and the, a a the of A. you They used MPSP as the prefix and then they were stuck with it.

Jason Atwood: So why don't, because I think, so a couple of things. One Arkus, the company that I talked about in our little, who's sponsoring this podcast today sponsored by Arkus does about half of our business in the nonprofit world. you know, most of our people are sort of well-versed in both sides of, sort of nonprofit and non-nonprofit. Double negative. I am probably-, for profit? For profit and non-non-profit. We call that core. I probably am one of the ones who has the least knowledge, although I've worked with the non-profits many, many, many times and I've put my own non-profits on to Salesforce. first. And it's something I've really been around, I've known about for a long time, but I'm not as deep in the weeds with it every day as other people.

03:18 Jason Atwood: So why don't we start, we're all good things start, with like kind of give me a, if I didn't know anything about what MPSP was, give me a little bit of the origin of like how it came about to be and a little bit of what it is. And then we can talk about what the relaunch is. Sure. So I think that's a really fine place to start.

Justin Edelstein: So someone say great. Some would. I'm going to go back. I'm going to just guess. I'm going to say like nine years.

Jason Atwood: And just I really don't know. I'm just going to guess nine years. So when George Washington came across like, you know, 100 years ago,

Justin Edelstein: How 300 years ago ish? No, I'm guessing it's nine years, like nine, 10 years. There was obviously from the start, from Salesforce's very start, they started out with the foundation and the one-one-one model and that one of those ones is product and that is salesforce.com. Use the service, 10 free licenses for any 501c3 and at the time c4 is in, I think even b-corps, but now 501c3 is only, I believe. I think that is true. So they said, okay, here's our product, go. And it was like, well, this isn't exactly gonna work, right? Salesforce, very B2B, business to business focused sales tool. A lot of nonprofits operate more in the B2C, we'll call them constituents. and join us. in this case and needed a model that worked a little bit better for them, right?

Justin Edelstein: They don't want to call things accounts. They don't want to call things opportunities. They don't not want to call things leads. All the stuff that Salesforce calls these. these objects. I'm going to put a pin because it comes back. It does come back.

Jason Atwood: Interesting history. Because towards the end of the history, that will be interesting pin to come back on. Okay.

Justin Edelstein: Because the original version did what you say you would do about it. Yeah. So you used to rename the tabs organizations and rename the opportunity tab donations. and came out with a couple of little things that just made it more akin to fundraising.

Jason Atwood: We'll say what is it, what coming out with it. Oh,

Justin Edelstein: The original NPSP, the starter pack. So the starter pack was actually a series of packages that did a variety of different things that were all kind of cobbled together. Not a whole lot of settings to it. Not a whole lot of flexibility. It was just a here is a pre and pre-configured pre-installed series of managed packages that didn't update themselves. Did they manage?

Jason Atwood: I think they weren't and now are, but that's my guess. I think about 500 R years ago, they were managed. Maybe it's something like that. Maybe, but they are now managed.

06:23 Justin Edelstein: Yes, But you can also go find the code and GitHub. It's open source. Anywho, the idea was, all right, now you have a place to start with Thank you. with Salesforce that is not just regular Salesforce, it's meant for you, for fundraising. And they're called donations now, and they're not called accounts, they're called organizations.

Jason Atwood: So the idea was you as a nonprofit or when they gave you your free org. you could start off with something that had these managed packages or packages of Salesforce kind of like apps that install and they installed Salesforce and they configured it for that was more nonprofit friendly. In fact, way back when and I'll not do my own little piece of history, this was a big thing for Salesforce. Salesforce did a lot of these packages and for lots of different industries. Right. Funny enough, most of them end up dying because No one would keep them up right there were ones for wealth management or one off for they were once for hedge funds it was one there was a four

Justin Edelstein: Or five of them in in the Financial services space this was a big thing that they did. Yeah, they would just sort of die off now They're now they're much bigger. This one was written I thought from the outside to start.

Jason Atwood: Wasn't the person who originally started it, didn't he not work for Salesforce to start?

Justin Edelstein: I don't know the history of it.

Jason Atwood: Thank you for being on my podcast. Well, I know. Next week, I'm gonna get someone who knows the history.

Justin Edelstein: I don't know. Potentially, maybe, perhaps. I imagine that that person or people probably work in Salesforce now, but. Either way, the idea was that you could now, you know, they came up with a way to have a contact without an account. Or you could choose another model, which was kind of a bucket of individuals. And then slowly but surely, all those things morphed into, okay, now we have relationships, and we have things called affiliations, and we have roll-ups from opportunities all the way up through to contacts, and also through to the accounts that a contact might be associated with. And then they figured out the whole one contact to multiple accounts scenario. So through the years, they figured out a lot through this architecture. And in doing so, they decided, made a decision when they went from what was nonprofit starter pack to dot X, which was still a compilation of packages.

Justin Edelstein: I think there was like seven. seven-ish. To Nonprofit Starter Pack 3, which is what I would consider the birth of the Nonprofit Success Pack. Because Nonprofit Starter Pack 3, to me, seemed very mature. It was one package. It was a managed package. It has a two week release cycle with continuous integration. Let's let's let's stop there. I want to talk about that because that's actually innovative.

09:38 Jason Atwood: Like that's very that's something. So talk about what that means. Like go go a little bit deeper and a little bit. Sure. Don't throw a chair. A little really cycle integration and continuous integration. Deep. Give me a deeper dive.

Justin Edelstein: Okay, so every well, every two weeks there, there are sprints for features and bugs. You can even follow them. I believe you can follow them on GitHub. You can also follow them in the power bus hub in the in the group that specified for the nonprofit success pack. and they will make incremental changes over the course of two weeks and then deploy those changes out to everybody. So everybody gets them. You get the benefit of just, okay, new features every two weeks. It's not in lockstep with the sales force three times a year. release schedule right because you're getting something here every every two weeks and because of the scenario that they've hooked up because they have this continuous integration with their Master you just get updates every two weeks of new features and new functionality And you can again, like I said, follow what's kind of coming in the back, what's in the backlog, what's coming.

Justin Edelstein: A lot of this is community driven. A lot of this is driven by the nonprofits that use to use the pack itself. And, you know, there there's trying to find the number. I know that there's. Probably close to 30,000 nonprofits using Salesforce, and I don't know for sure how many are using the nonprofit success pack. I don't know if it's a number they make public or not, but

Jason Atwood: I have to imagine it's at least half of them. We know that they can have a number because. Every time you have a managed package you get you obviously know and

Justin Edelstein: When you push out things as part of the release schedule Yeah, I'm just saying I don't know if it's a known unknown thing what I think is interesting

Jason Atwood: Is so it's it's it's it's like Cloud inception because you're on software as a service. So Salesforce software service continuous continuous roll out of new features. You cannot stop them. It's coming. Sometimes that's wonderful. Sometimes that's difficult. But you get three releases a year. We just went through winter 17 and I just saw some right road map stuff for spring. So, you know, it's a very kind of... continuous thing even three times a year if you're talking like an enterprise. This then is a package inside of Salesforce which is doing through releases a year that was releasing every two weeks. Of course they're not as big every single time sometimes they're just bug fixes or whatever. You know as a as a old school software developer we know that this type of agile scrum you know sprint type of methodology is very consistent and what's the word, not obtainable, maintainable, right?

12:58 Jason Atwood: So you can stay on this kind of pace because you're not killing yourself for six months and then like all your developers have you know not slept for two months because they got to get the release out there. And basically if something isn't ready, it just doesn't go into that release. It just goes the next release and no one has a fit. It's like okay, well it's just not ready. It's got needs to go a little bit further. So what I love is that I don't know of other packages inside of Salesforce, maybe you do know of from that relent packages from let's not even package can push out changes to you, to your org. But I don't know of another sort of software... Software vendor inside of Salesforce that's doing this.

Justin Edelstein: I don't know how Salesforce distributes the health cloud or the financial services cloud. I mean, they'd be the same vendor technically, although one salesforce.org and one salesforce.com. Right. other, I don't know of other vendors who are doing their app distribution via continuous integration. I know that there was like major push upgrade as like a big feature thing about a year or two ago. I don't know if that ever actually... made its way into the platform or not. There's a lot of talk about it, but it's not the same as just every two weeks getting new features. And it's not there's anything, there's no difference about this managed package than let's say the permissioner.

Jason Atwood: We wanted to have a two week, two week release cycle. We could. We could, right. So I guess that's the point is, it's not really a technological bridge they've done. It's a, this is the way we're going to approach this package.. and the features and the bugs and we're going to keep on a very good schedule and that will, you know, make people happy. There's also a downside to it because if something goes wrong in one of those packages you got no, you got no recourse. You have to wait, you have to wait. All they can do emergency fixes but that stuff happens. K But obviously it's a good team and full of developers., anyway, I think it's just fascinating that they're doing it. I just don't know any other vendors that are doing it.

Jason Atwood: And they have probably one of the biggest install bases of all managed packages in Salesforce. I mean, other than they must have the biggest install base.

Justin Edelstein: I bet they do not, but... Who do you think has a bigger install base?

Jason Atwood: Conga? You think Conga has more than 20,000 customers?

Justin Edelstein: I don't know. MPSP has more than 20,000 customers. I was making just a guess. He said 30,000 nonprofits. My guess is Conga has more than 20,000 customers, yes.

Jason Atwood: I bet they... ahh... I don't think so. I don't think they have more than 20,000 customers, I think they have. I bet they do.

Justin Edelstein: I bet they have tons and tons of licenses that might add up. I bet they have more than 20,000 customers.

15:58 Jason Atwood: Maybe some someone from conga who's listening to this podcast will let us know.

Justin Edelstein: Maybe or... I imagine they won't but sure. Maybe they will. Please? No? Pretty please? I'm certain they do. Okay. That's just my guess. alright. So. Yeah. Let's bring us to, let's bring us to the future or the new release. It's more than a starter pack now. It's built for success. It's outgrown its own name.

Jason Atwood: It's ready to go. Well, at. They didn't have to change the acronym. Yeah, no, that was smart.

Justin Edelstein: Don't don't do acronyms. If you can't just stick with them. Now I just got to retrain myself to say success instead of starter. And I agree. I mean, it's beyond starter. Right. You can use it. As is a little bit of brain power and get it going and I got to give them a lot of credit too because What makes something? Beyond the side of the pack is not just the technology and not just the product ization of the technology it's the documentation around the technology as well. So beyond just being a starter pack because here and just figure it out, you've got really nice screens to set the thing up and make it work the way you need it to work. That's it. You have really great documentation in the way of knowledge articles and the Power of Us hub community supporting it.

Justin Edelstein: I think there's like 13, 14,000 members in that group alone and people just getting answers to questions. So there's a huge infrastructure around the application or the package itself that makes it beyond a starter pack.

Jason Atwood: And part of it is just branding, right? When people, when you're a non-profit and you're looking at, you know, we're both coughing, door mics, it's terrible, where's our cough button?

Justin Edelstein: It's just turn around. Yeah, it's just look up and turn around. Just turn around so no one can hear you. Train of thought. Yeah, I mean, it's a- Train of thought, gone. No, branding.

Jason Atwood: I mean, it's a branding thing as well. The starter. That's all I have for today. Thank you. sort of feels like it's not real, it feels like it's just the beginning, you don't feel like you're getting something that's fully blown. And I think, you know, from the outside, not knowing, not talking to anybody, just making my own opinions, which is what I've been doing for 254 podcasts, I have a feeling that this has a little to do with the NGO Connect. Peace that there was going to be again totally throwing it out there in the world But I'm saying I think that they were going to keep the nonprofit starter pack and NGO Connect was kind of you know It's like little brother and big brother and then when they kind of decided to change their course on NGO connect and turn that into a Strategic partner and not a sort of sold by Salesforce thing I think they thought well and the thing that we kind of have still that's ours.

Jason Atwood: I think we should make it feel a little bit more solid. I feel sound true. Sounds about right.

19:04 Justin Edelstein: Because it is the go to market product for Salesforce now with nonprofits. It's Enterprise Edition or this. And even with the nonprofit, with the 10 free, their versions of their licenses are actually pretty awesome. They're they're skews that like don't exist. Right there. They're like enterprise CRM something or other because they include sales and service cloud licenses with them. They're this hybrid license type that is kind of a unicorn if you will. I think you anyway. So why don't we hit the high notes? Yeah hit me. Why this is now the success pack and not just a starter pack. So we'll start with some small little stuff... So first of all, we talked about just the way that everything's organized and installed, upgraded, etc. You have the ability at a very high level, you can manage households, organizations, your contacts, your addresses, going back to the old renaming, they did a 180 on that and it's good.

Justin Edelstein: Good thing you did the three six. Do you and decided to just go back to leaving it, leave it alone. If people want to rename them and they can rename them, they are accounts because they have record types and those record types are households or organizations. You can't call it one. You can't call it the other. Maybe in in. lightning's maybe at some point you can have like you could probably build a tab for organizations and a tab for households if you want yeah but at this point you got accounts which represent households and organizations you have contacts which represent your constituency there are donors or volunteers and there's addresses so addresses can hang off seasonal things of that nature

Jason Atwood: I

Justin Edelstein: And I was so surprised when I think I saw the web, you know,, and household, all with the labeling. So getting there's a much easier and better way to manage matching gifts. so ways now that you can find gifts that are given that are meant to be matched. So from either side. So there, there's a button when you create a matching gift to go find the gift that's supposed to have been matched.

23:06 Jason Atwood: That's the scenario where, the a the m You of Arkus give a hundred bucks and match that with another hundred bucks. This is a way of matching them up so you can tell that.

Justin Edelstein: E. that or the match gift. So really nice screens and then really nice data relationships on the back I the the and, that's There's some new fields and fields to say like what exactly you received. There's some major gift enhancements. So there's renamed some of the fields and in particular an object. So there used to be an object, used to be something that you would always have to build. So this is again. a reason, no longer a starter pack and it's now a success pack pack of this object called grant deadlines or grant deliverables or grant something because you want to track when something is due. If it's a grant, you typically have time at which you need to deliver a report, whether it be a narrative or some sort of financial report to your a foundation or the government or whoever's giving you the grant.

Justin Edelstein: And you always have to build this object called like grant deliverable grant deadline, something. And this is now part of the pack. It's called deliverables now, and it has some really they've simplified it quite a bit. So there's a closed date, a due date or requirements field. just helps you and again because you're on the platform you can create workflows on that, create list views on that, create reports on that, that help you manage your work and your workflow that that can definitely help you out. Other just fields that they've added for major gifts where there's you know, things that you're asking for gift strategies. So what strategy are you using to get this? A closed, lost reason because you want to capture those things for bigger, for bigger opportunities. In my opinion, there's two really big changes that have happened and they kind of play off of.

26:10 Justin Edelstein: Each other one plays off the other really. in a very cool way. I think you'll appreciate this quite a bit having done something like this in the past. I mean, I'm in total suspense. All right, so they've created something called an engagement plan. An engagement plan is like an action plan. That's right. I remember action plans. Right on. And basically they've re-berry. They've redone action plans. But they've called them engagement plans. They have templates. so you, you can create an engagement plan template with a bunch of tasks. Here's the cool part. You can assign an engagement plan to a record. Sure, you can assign it to an account, let's say. I've got a major donor here, You know, when this one's done, create this one,

Jason Atwood: All that stuff. That's the thing that action plans did very well is that they it was dependent. So it would not fire because obviously in Salesforce I can create tasks and I can have a bunch of tasks that I've done and workflows and now process builder. But this one, when they were dependent, so you could say. This task doesn't even fire. It doesn't even show up in Salesforce until this other task is due. That's what is so cool about action plans.

Justin Edelstein: That's right. Then they reskin the user interface for creating templates using the lightning design system the whole thing and here's the cool part so that wasn't the cool part that's not even the cool part because to me that's just action plans but the ability to use it on different objects. They've created something called levels. Now, a level is kind of what you'd think it is. They go to 11. Well, it's more like this account, bronze account. This account is a silver account. This account is a gold account. and it has that This year, if they've given less than a thousand or less dollars than their bronze, if they've given greater than or equal to 100 but less than a thousand then they're silver. It's automated. And it's based on their donations. Correct. Because donations roll up to the accounts.

29:14 Justin Edelstein: So then, all right, so gold and then platinum. So maybe it's just their best gift year was like a million dollar gift thing Total if over million dollars, right whatever feel like doing it off of on an account. That's pretty cool. It's pretty neat Now here's what this gets even more cool. What? Someone when someone goes into a level it can kick them into an engagement plan How cool is that? So if you're now all of a sudden in the platinum level I'm going to kick you into this platinum engagement plan.

Jason Atwood: I'm going to sign this platinum engagement plan template to you, which, well, that's automatically.

Justin Edelstein: That's really cool. That's for a household or for an organization. Pretty powerful. Pretty powerful stuff. That's not starter stuff. That's success stuff right there. That's cool.

Jason Atwood: That's functionality that I want. I wish they had come and talked to me about the branding. I'm thinking nonprofit.

Justin Edelstein: Super pack super You can click on one and see who's all in there. And you can relate them to all sorts of, different things. So you can have it at a contact level, an account level. That's where they kind of make the most sense to me. But you could also put an opportunity through an engagement plan. It's a big opportunity. So, you know, lots of robust features. just really putting the and the pedal to the metal here every two weeks getting new stuff I think this is a really just putting the stake in the ground and saying this is not just a starter packing more you can really succeed like move forward with with this thing you really buy I'm going I'm all in on the branding I'm all about the branding word I'm all in not really starter anymore It's non-starter,

Jason Atwood: It's success. I think it's super. Fantastic.

Justin Edelstein: So that is... Don't make fun of me.

Jason Atwood: That's the best part of this podcast. Stop it. In the next episode, I just make fun of you for 45 minutes. You're the worst. So that's the relaunch of the non-profit Super PAC. So much better telling you. Super pack next week we're gonna do some catch up on oh you can get this all on Salesforce org If you want to read all about it, it's on their blog Yeah, and you read all about harvest hub hop in there tons of places next week We're gonna do some blog catching up. We also some winter some winter stuff to catch up on so we have those coming out Well, we'll just blog catch up. We'll just winter catch up. But now the moment you've been maving for. Then, you know, cloud focus app, pick of the week.

32:30 Jason Atwood: Justin, why don't you start us off today? Okay, just say today and only you're gonna start off first. All right, give me your pick of the week today. Today only I'm starting it off. 254 times that's correct. So let's let's not break that streak. All right. Well, it's no And we can we can actually keep it's November. It is November. It's November 7th Are you gonna pick a political thing? Nope. Okay, you saw me on October 31st anybody tweets directly at me I'll send you a picture of what he looks like

Justin Edelstein: Knew what was different about my whole thing that was going on here. What was different about the about the punnam? You're getting into this conversation? What was different about your face? Are you on on the 31st? This is a long drawn out way of saying you shaved your beard. I did. I shaved my whole face and I did it so that I can just grow it back in Movember.

Jason Atwood: But Movember is supposed to be for mustaches. No, it's no shave November. That's a misconception. Oh, so you're not so you will not shave this month? I will not be shaving this month. So as much as you looked like weird without your beard, you look terrible when it turns into like Shaggy Dog. So I'm not so I'm looking forward to basically December 1st. I'm looking forward to December 1st. Well, in about a week you'll be where I think you look good. Oh, thanks bud.

Justin Edelstein: About a week. And I think yeah, so that's it. Anyway, so I'm picking the Movember mobile app because it's a well done app and Movember just so we can throw it out there is I mean, I think of it as the month after Breast Cancer Awareness Month, where Breast Cancer Awareness Month is in October, and then the men were like, give us November. So we took November for men's health awareness, and I'm raising some money for, specifically for men's mental health awareness. and you can find my profile, which I created all on a mobile device, not on the Movember mobile app, which is free, signed up. You can go look at my Twitter feed, I tweeted it out there, I'll maybe tweet it again sometimes. That's how you raise more than once. Facebook, tweets, whatever.

Justin Edelstein: I've raised almost 600 bucks, which is pretty good. Solid. I picked a mobile app on iOS. I not apparent to me, so I'll say like, sort of yes, sort of no. There's some they try to build in like, get healthier. So like, go do like challenges, like sports challenges, like doing activities, like log your activities. Well, I already do that. I'll do that. And it's like, take pictures of yourself every day and like put them in there. No. All my wife's taking pictures of me like every day because she does that kind of thing. The little lady I should say. Creepy. She said you'll be happy when we have them. OK,

35:58 Jason Atwood: Yes, I donated. I said I wasn't going to donate until you. So you need a picture and I have a picture. I've self-feed it right to you. The beauty is I was able to go back and find. And this is a good, actually good, segui right here. So, I... So, quick backstory, we're doing okay in time. Quick backstory is......... OS which I've been on for a couple weeks which I'm finding pretty good, fan. Sierra and the new iOS's that came out have a new feature of photos which is, much better facial recognition. Meaning it'll go through your thing and it'll recognize people and it can categorize them and it does these memories and if you're in a memory, it'll show you like who you're with and it'll also scan. It also like if you go into it on a day, they'll say here you were like three years ago, stuff they sold from Facebook, but it's all private.

Jason Atwood: So none of this data gets anywhere. It's only on your computer, any who. But I have had many, many photos. I have 54000 photos that I've taken because I've had a digital camera since 1996 or seven. So I've had no, I can't be that. It would be, yeah, roughly 9797. I think I got my digital camera, maybe 96. So the point is I have lots and lots and lots of digital photos. of course way back then I look at them now and they're like,

Justin Edelstein: I mean, it was like a day. So I'm with with like a like a 8 megabyte memory card.

Jason Atwood: I think the first one I had didn't even you couldn't even swap it out. You just had to plug it in every time. And it took like a you know 640 by 640 or something ridiculous. You should see these pictures. Anyway, so Sierra has better photo. I had photos but over the years iPhoto has not been able to deal with a lot of photos. So at one point I had to split them all up and I had to split up all my albums into different albums. That's not good for this software because this software wants to look through for the new photos look through everything. So I had to put them back together like Frankenstein and pull them off my Drobo, which it's huge. Plus, oh, it Sierra now does iPhotos where if you have a huge photo library, it'll actually throw all the originals in the cloud and only leave you the stuff you need on your desktop.

Jason Atwood: So you get so I have one I think like 1.2, no 200 gigabyte something photo album, but like on the desktop it's only like 20 because it's keeping them in the cloud. It means all my devices, they're all there. So screw it. So anyway, I need the bad, the bad. There's no easy way to do this. So I bought software. A company called Fat Cat Software makes a piece of thing called Power Photos. It went through, I could give it two albums and say merge them and de-dupe them at the same time. to. I did lose any metadata like places and times and like even like what I can go back and see like the first photo what it was shot by what kind of camera I didn't lose any of the faces I had pre-recognized because I had done it for a couple albums but since this new software kind of goes again it's kind of interesting so power for all photos for OSX.

39:00 Jason Atwood: It works with Sierra to get them all into photos. I'm kind of making photos. It's pretty cool. Actually, even the one downside. So I've got them all together now. It's great. It's turned through. It took like three days for this process to run in the background to like find all the faces. It's very cool. It'll find faces that you didn't even know. You have pictures of friends or whatever. I was able to go back and find a picture of you like super quick, like from. Thank you for your attention. whatever, 10 years ago when I'd seen you without, you know, the closest I've ever seen you shaved. I'd say the one downside, this isn't Power Photos, Power Photos is awesome, it's 29 bucks, totally worth it, it took many many hours but it was worth it, it dedubed, it did all great stuff.

Jason Atwood: The one issue with photos and the iOS is it doesn't sync. The photos sync, but the facial stuff does not sync. Meaning, if I tag you on my iPhone, or my iPad, or my desktop, it doesn't know to tag you across. Apple says that's a privacy thing. Well, because if it has to know you across the cloud, then I'm basically giving Apple your facial. Now Google does this all the time. Google doesn't care. Google tagged you all over the place. So it's a privacy issue, but it's also a feature. So it's one of those things. Like you have to kind of decide, well, do-do I want privacy or do I want, you know, you know to tag all these people and give it to the cloud. Anyway so that's one of the things they might figure out a way to get around the privacy.

Jason Atwood: For now I just stuck it on the desktop. very cool. Photos for Sierra is very good. The album is a very good album. And Power Photos and his growing beard at Just Elstene. Follow me and my newly shaved goatee at Jason. At ArcaSync is the company, Facebook.com forward slash ArcaSync, success community and power of us groups for all of your nonprofit super pack, LinkedIn, Google plus subscribe and review in stitcher. And on the tunes of I is Justin Jason saying enjoy those cloudy days. you