Eye Oh Yeah - Episode #97 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:26 Jason Atwood: This is the 97th episode of Justin Edelstein Justin how are you doing this very day? June is a really long month. Long month full of many podcasts. Five podcast month. It is a five five-top guest. Well July will be a four podcast month.

Justin Edelstein: Maybe a three. Maybe a three. Are we gonna do one next week? Let's get that out of the way because I don't know We're not doing one next week.

Jason Atwood: Wednesday's just kind of odd. I mean, it's not stopping me, but whatever. So we're not gonna do a podcast. That is also, we'll factor into our Hunter and Hunter's Day, which now is only three episodes away. After the this one. After this one. So that will probably put us, I think, and we're trying to coordinate it. We're trying to be smart and coordinate the same week that we actually started it two years ago. Yeah, smart, right? Yeah. Yeah. But remember, you are going to have to be ready with your, it's going to be an all-pics episode.

Justin Edelstein: I think we should do the idea that we had back in March and do picks that we've already picked. Re- like go over them, do like a bracket, and do like a sweet 16 of picks. Yeah, that's a great idea. That we've already done. But, but I don't, no one wants to hear picks we've already done. People want to hear like an all-pics episode. But people who started listening at episode 80 might want to hear about a pick that happened in episode 13.

Jason Atwood: Alright, here's the thing. You have five new picks and you pick your top five all-time picks. Okay. Alright, so ten picks-pics- Because you know it's hard for me to come out with new picks. You're supposed to be capturing these.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, but just because you have a hundred of them doesn't mean I have five. I had so many I don't even know what to do with them at this point. Then I will take some. No, because you're not your pick. Yes, you're hoarding picks. I actually buy things. You're hoarding picks.

Jason Atwood: I did. And my pick last week. Your pick hoarder. My gridit from last week. I've had compliments on my gridit. People have seen it and gone, ooh, what is that? I've seen it and said, ooh, I want that. The other, the other unmentional person saw it and went onto Amazon on his iPhone immediately and purchased it. Yeah, well he'll do that. That's it. Yeah, that's fine. I'll do that.

Justin Edelstein: He'll buy things like that and then you won't use it. So I think he's gonna use it All right, so let's get to the agenda today Let's do it first up as always the blog that our distinct blog that blog our blog Take a look at what Wow who now we will not our distinct calm blog post of the week. Yes things what is it what's the title of it it was my it was mine I think I called it the Salesforce admin Trinity the Trinity yeah I was trying to write a shout-out post for all my admins out there for all my peeps okay certified admins who are you know keeping the keeping the thing running keeping the the wheels turning spinning making sure that salesforce is working for their users right and some I tried to point out some of the things that they do that aren't so parent necessarily I won't point out all three of them hence the Trinity don't even put on one of them Yeah, you can go to the blog post read it yourself if you're an admin.

03:56 Justin Edelstein: It's very like self-congratulatory- you already know that you do these things if you're looking to hire an admin if you should use these things to ask them if they can do these things. And you I just felt like writing like an ode to the Salesforce admin since I've been doing it for so long and There's so many selfless tasks that happen throughout the course of time administering the system that I figured I'd mention a few that people do that users may not even realize are happening.

Jason Atwood: Yep. So that's on vlog.arcasync.com. Next up, kind of an interesting one. This actually came out last week.

Justin Edelstein: A story on... It's a blog post. Oh, sorry, a blog post on blogs.salesforce.com. Yeah, the Salesforce company blog, as opposed to this whole blog network. The company blog, the product blog, the strategy blog, the cloud blog, the community blog,

Jason Atwood: The Here's the thing about blogs, if you're gonna start a blog, you gotta keep up with it. You should. I would say, set a slow pace, it's like running. Set a slow pace and do the post to try and sprint the whole way.

Justin Edelstein: It's like, we do want to wait. We know people love starting their blog and doing like, six posts in eight days. Right. And then you've now, like, set an expectation. Right. Like, Mike Gerhold, the Monday Morning... The Monday AM admin or whatever he does he has a good pace He puts out a post every Monday, right? And you know on Monday if you pop into your reader, you'll have his Monday AM post. That is true.

Jason Atwood: That's it So this one is about Its Salesforce and the email-free intern. Yeah, this is this is interesting.

Justin Edelstein: So they've hired an intern They've given him a Twitter handle at end of email Which I'm actually going when I looked at it originally when the post was initially posted there were not too many followers of this He has a hundred ninety six followers still not too many. I'll give him one more So I don't think this is like All kidding aside, I don't think this is productive. Wait, wait, no, but let's explain it before you get- I think I did. The email-free intern. No, you said you gave him a Twitter handle and then you didn't follow him. The email-free intern. They've hired an intern to work on the chatter product team and he's only gonna communicate Okay, so I- first question I have all these questions and I don't have answers to a lot of them I imagine go ahead you start all right questions

Jason Atwood: Does he actually have an email so he has no email client I don't know how he can't have email

Justin Edelstein: If he has chatter because he had to have gotten his login somehow Like I don't understand it. Maybe they gave them email for like a day and said, here's your log, go log into your email to get your chatter so that you can get your chatter login. And then we'll take your email away. But if you forget your chatter password, you're done because you can't have email. go reset it or anything like that because you don't have email. I mean funny funny idea. Good marketing play but there's a few things. One, so he can't really write anything that's longer than a thousand characters. Right. Ever. That's fine. I don't really want people to write emails at all in the final characters. He can't communicate with anybody outside of salesforce.com. correct so there's this intern that I guess interns don't always communicate externally not an extern he's an intern right he's only internal cannot explain cannot even talk externally and like I feel as though there's a lot that email does still really really well, that chatter like can't do.

07:55 Justin Edelstein: He's gonna miss so many things that are directed at him to do by only using chatter, cuz it doesn't have that state. I know it has like ads, I know it has bookmarks, and I know if you don't have email and people can't contact you,

Jason Atwood: They might have less things to do. This is the best job ever.

Justin Edelstein: No one knows how to actually talk to him. His job is to ignore email. essentially so he's quitting email cold turkey and using chatter for electronic communications

Jason Atwood: I really don't understand how he's going to do this well so he can use private messages if he wants to say something that's not out in the open sure to all internal people right he can then communicate about anything that's going on in new york right but he can't communicate about anything that's sort of I mean he could talk to people I guess.

Justin Edelstein: The private messages thing would have to be like for... You'd definitely be using that. The IM. Okay. You got the little chatter messenger. Fine. But I just don't... I can't like... I can't imagine... I'm not trying to be like a Luddite here. I think Chatter has its place. I don't think it replaces email though. This is more of a marketing stunt than it is a true test of productivity. Because if it's a true test, it's going to be a fail.

Jason Atwood: Now, today. Again, if your job, I mean I could see certain types of jobs, like a service job, I could almost see how you could give someone no email. Your job is to open and close tickets that come to you through the council. You use chatter to communicate with people inside the company. You get you, you can IM through people inside the company. Other than that, we don't want you talking to anybody else. We want you in answering tickets. You can answer tickets inside.

Justin Edelstein: So I could see like a service agent. Yeah, but now you've just taken email and said, you're just going to use this thing as the email client. because they're still communicating with someone externally through email. Sort of, yeah.- Yeah, they are. They're just using a console instead of Outlook. But when you at MentionMe and chatter- And you get- An email.

Jason Atwood: Then you really communicate with me email anyway. I know I am. So then he's not- I'm putting a little context around it. He's just using chatter as his starting point.

Justin Edelstein: I don't I don't I'd love to see the results of this in a Independent study kind of way, but I'm never gonna get that we got somebody one of our listeners gotta

Jason Atwood: Mention him when we post the podcast Yeah, someone's got to mention him and be like on Twitter mention at end of email.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, these guys really listening Because that's his only way to communicate with people outside through that Twitter Twitter 140 characters at a time in a public forum That's awesome. All right done moving on moving right along

Jason Atwood: Not how much cloud news this is but it is a it's an interesting take and I think this is Probably more prevalent prevalent than and we know but the story hit this week that This the travel reservation booking software website orbits Which does the big one is a big one does they all do a lot of ads I don't know really how they make money referrals or something, but has been basically reading browser and the OS behind the browser and showing different prices to PC versus Mac users, showing higher prices to Mac users, I guess under the very simple assumption that if you're willing to pay the most amount of money for a computer later. You're not basically, you don't, you're not looking at value. You'll pay more for the same hotel. Which is probably pretty smart.

11:40 Jason Atwood: Like it's a smart thing to think. It's crappy business model.

Justin Edelstein: But as a Mac user, I hate this. Oh, I don't hate this. I think it's funny. As somebody who, I hate to feel like I'm the consumer who's being taken advantage of. Right. Right. At the same time, from an orbit's perspective, I find this rather clever and smart. The fact that it got out there in this way, they probably didn't want that to happen. But nobody would have known at all, and I'm sure that they've... Again, I don't know how they... like you said, I don't know how they make money. Like if they sell things for more or less or whatever, but... Essentially they were serving up different search results for the same exact search terms to Mac users versus PC users under the assumption that Mac users would pay more. I don't know, I'm not going to use Orbits anymore.

Justin Edelstein: I've already decided. No more Orbits for me. Have and I'm not going to anymore. I'm just gonna ditch it. That's it. You're done Yeah, I find that offensive as a user of I love you find it offensive. Well, I do I it offends me that you would not show me Like why would you keep like the only reason why I'm on orbits and not You know, Marriott.com is because I want the price of of orbits because they get things for cheaper sometimes. Otherwise I'd call the Marriott and I'd make my reservation. So if you you're not going to show me the cheaper price because I'm on a specific computer, well then I'm not going to go to your website.

Jason Atwood: I honestly do never, I never book through those sites. I use Hipmunk, which I think I've made one of my picks of the week, speaking of great picks, to see flights. and basically see when they're coming and when they're going. I then, that will then tell me which one to go to. There's only so many airlines that fly out of JFK or Gordia, so I'm always basically going to the five that I know. You know, JetBlue, United, American, and Virgin and Delta. Those are sort of the big ones out of this hub. So I just go to their websites and I book it right from their website. Straight up. If, if I'm doing hotels, I do searching on Google, find it, and then probably go right to their hotel website and book it right on their hotel.

Jason Atwood: I'd like to assume that they, and that's probably a bad assumption, but I'd like to assume that when I go to the hotel website I'm getting the better price. And a lot of the hotel websites are now putting that like, we guarantee that this is the best online price because... They want you to go there. They want you to be on their website to look up stuff. So anyway, I Don't know. I mean is it is totally bad business, but yeah, but it is. it's a little bit funny It's a little bit funny. It's almost like it's almost like here's another here's analogy Being a car owner and driving up in your Mercedes and then when you go to plug in to get gas the gas prices more Right. It's like oh no It's 10

Justin Edelstein: % more for you cuz when you go through the drive-thru at McDonald's the 99 cent menu goes to a dollar 99 dollar dollar 29 yes,

14:42 Jason Atwood: We know you can pay more sort of a yeah not a great business practice. I mean, I'm sure the The Mac community's PC community might be very happy with that, but yeah, it's sort of a bad business. Then the really big, big, big, big news of the week was Google I.O., which is their annual user conference. It is, I mean, they're all sort of doing this now. Microsoft does this. Apple does this, Google does this, even Facebook, Facebook. I think they called their F8 or F7. I think they call it one, it's like F-something like that year. But it's their big, we're gonna announce stuff, we're gonna make a big splash and they announced a lot of stuff at Google I.O. You know, I don't think, I mean Google is a cloud computing company.

Jason Atwood: So almost everything they announced is sort of cloud computing sort of in the wheel well. You of course have been heads down with a project so you don't have a chance.

Justin Edelstein: I've been like creamed by this blindsided by this project that not blindsided but just went over by it. I run over by a truck. So I have not been able to even read to- So you're going to have to walk me through. Yeah, so I think here's the big news.

Jason Atwood: The big news is that Google's back in the hardware business. That's the big news. Well, they kind of go in and out.

Justin Edelstein: Didn't they, aren't they selling the glasses?

Jason Atwood: Well, that's other big news. All right. That's part of being in a hardware business, isn't it? Selling hardware. I guess so. So they're selling the Google Glass Project for, I think it's $1,700. It's a developer version. So you can buy it to use to sort of play with as a developer. People got their hands on it. Interesting stuff ensued, you know saying it's cool. It's got thing it sits on thing your battery pack goes here It's like all sorts of I haven't read a ton about a second or two to play with it So it's a Developer

Justin Edelstein: Edition so it's not really ready for an end user. It's really just to get your hands on eyes and. And See if you can make something happen with it

Jason Atwood: That was big news, but the bigger news was how they launched it with the guy skydiving with it on the live camera as they did it. Yeah, this is sort of interesting stuff. The other thing is the Nexus line. So Google's launched this Nexus line which is a phone, a tablet, and what is called the player. It's called the Nexus Q. Which is their, I would say their Roku slash Apple TV killer? Killer or competitor? Well, you know, you always have to say killer because it's more the, you know, it's more of a sweat. It is more fun. Yeah.

Justin Edelstein: And it is a... So I'm, I just navigated to the website. I'm now looking at the Nexus Q. Good. Meet the world's first social streaming media player. Yeah, I... It looks cool.

Jason Atwood: It's round. It's like a sphere. It's a sphere. It hooks up to your speakers. It can... It runs, you know, a version of Android. Oh, it's got good speaker hookups there. Yep. And it really is, it's supposed to be, you can use Google Play, which they're now gonna have TV and movies and Google Play. And you can, again, same sort of stuff. You can watch movies, you can stream movies, your friends can come over with their Android tablets and just play the music right through it, stream it to it. It's got all that kind of stuff. The one thing that I would say, kind of like, I was immediately... blown away about is its price. It's priced at $299.

18:16 Justin Edelstein: So tell me why I want this. I can't. First of all I think you have to be a big Android fan. So I'm looking right. It's got music. Yeah. That's presumably your Google music stuff. Yeah. If you're using Google music. Movies and TV. So where are those available? From Google Play? Yes. YouTube which I think everyone can agree YouTube on a TV is just stupid Well, it's just also like where can't you get YouTube? Well, it's just stupid like I have I have YouTube on my Apple TV And I've had Apple TV since basically came out and I've never gone on YouTube on the Apple TV in ever It's just like I got this big TV in front of me. Let me watch some stupid cat video Well also just low quality. That's what I mean like stupid grainy crap.

Justin Edelstein: I know you know, with the new phones, everything's gonna be HD and whatnot, but still, YouTube is not what I want on my... on my TV. I mean, I can't understand why this is triple the price of a Roku or an Apple TV. I think what it is is it's saying...

Jason Atwood: A, it looks like it's really good hardware, so I got a very powerful thing in it, but it's really saying, hey listen... You don't use Apple TV because you can you can't get to Google Play. Oh, that's why? Yeah, you don't use, well, you can't. You don't use Roku. Roku can't get to Google Play. It can get to Amazon stuff though. So I think this is like, if you want to be in the Google Play world, if you're an Android tablet user, Android phone user, and you've been missing out, haven't gotten that Apple TV thing because it's too Apple. and you're not into iTunes, I think this is your answer.

Justin Edelstein: Now, why it's $ but like just to cut into this nexus line right The tablet is less expensive than this thing. Oh, yeah, that's like so I guess Apple sort of set the market for me like when I think about the Set top device versus the phone versus a tablet like the prices are court like that's how I think of the prices right like- The set top box is the cheapest thing, then the phone, then the tablet. Right, and Google's kind of got it a little bit different. Right, they've got the Nexus 7. Right, they've got the tablet cheaper as like one of the cheapest things. Right. The tablet. So, I don't know, just the phone is pretty funny. Well that's hard to like wrap my head around, they've got it completely almost reversed.

Justin Edelstein: I think it's probably the hard way that's in it, but here's the thing.

Jason Atwood: Google, the big announcement is Google is going hardware and Google is going, Google is pushing play. And play is now not just the apps that were in play before, it's now music, movies, and I think TVs, there's, I don't think they're doing TV yet, but competitively you can rent, you can, so it is an iTunes type competitor. That I think is big news and again, I'm the guy who buys everything. I literally will buy everything. I don't care. I looked at this and I thought, okay, great. I have a Roku. I have an Apple TV. I will buy this. Why do I need it? And I kept going. It doesn't do anything that I can't already do except for access to Google Play.

21:34 Justin Edelstein: I of course have not bought it, but the other two big announcements. You know, I can say I've never even really been in play. I'm actually going into it right now. Well, it's new. For the first time. It's not that new.

Jason Atwood: They launched it a couple months ago. They rebranded it and relaunched it. anyway. Let's go on. So Jelly Those were announced and they're available now. That's fantastic. I was gonna make them my app pick of the week with a thousand. Google Drive for the iOS. Yes.

Justin Edelstein: Now replaces one of our iOS. Now replaces one of our picks that we've made in the past. No, it doesn't. No. Why does it not? Can't edit. Can't edit. Yeah. Why won't they let me edit? They won't let you edit. I want to edit.

Jason Atwood: So Google Drive for all these will know is the old Google Docs. It's now Google Google Drive. We've actually migrated from just finished I think today as I watch files. Go up.

Justin Edelstein: Mine are syncing right now.

Jason Atwood: We've migrated from jungle disc to using Google Drive now. Partly because it does A, it's sort of built in and you sort of get it. we do a lot of our stuff in Google Docs and it's a very nice combination of like online editing and offline keeping and then so the Drive app allows you to take things and keep them offline. So if you want to take a couple of takes. Off-line, offline, offline, then you can go on an airplane and read them and do whatever. So it also has more granular permissions than our Jungle

Justin Edelstein: Disc, which was the prior and allows you to share it.

Jason Atwood: You can share within, you can take a document and share that document with other people who can collaborate with you. Whereas you could do that with Jungle Disc, but it's more like

Justin Edelstein: It was more like you give them an access to it, not like... I'm sorry, giving you the example of like, even within Arkus, we had... We couldn't folder by folder.

Jason Atwood: In some ways it's a little too complicated, but it's very a little bit like... What was nice about Jungle Disc was you knew that this folder, this whole drive, whatever you throw in there, everybody can. In Google Drive, it's not like this folder is accessed by these two people. This folder, if I threw this... a, employee salary and I messed up and threw in this folder oh everybody had that you know it's a little bit more on that right anyway but so now drive and Chrome Chrome is on my iPhone iPad yep and it's got some features fast it's very fast it sinks with your with your Chrome account So you can do what Safari is coming out, which is you can see, if you have your device open here, you can see the tabs are open on another device.

24:48 Jason Atwood: How does like Google Docs work inside of Chrome?

Justin Edelstein: No better.

Jason Atwood: Really? Yeah, no better at all. You can't edit Google Doc still the mobile version the desktop version doesn't work comment, fail on that? That's a bit of a fail, you got to test that. Yeah well...

Justin Edelstein: Well,

Jason Atwood: We know we know, so I'm sure that's what they're going to go with. they're gonna create Google Drive that Google Drive that we have now is gonna come with editing soon because they bought that didn't they

Justin Edelstein: Does Google like have a have a personality do they have a people or they just Is that two years later? Gotta move your website. I mean, that's not that's not an easy thing the people who are building websites on mobile me Me are not like web developers.

Jason Atwood: Oh on. One of the thing they announced. I thought was interesting. I thought was interesting. I'm about they announced a competitor to to Amazon Web Services So a virtual virtual eyes Servers that you can run Google servers you can run stuff on so basically a full-on competitor They're gonna hit him with the price it's kind of like, well that's interesting, cause Amazon Web Services is kind of like, other than Rackspace, they're kind of like the big dog, and Google coming in saying, oh we'll get into the cloud with our services and we're gonna undercut you and you know we can you know we can call the load and we've, you know they can handle the load It's starting to get not bad bad, but not great They also do some stuff Google Plus where you can sort of

28:25 Justin Edelstein: I was like, I thought that's what I was doing. Creating an event. No, no, no, it's not. I've gotten a way from this is called appsona appsona appsona appsona appson, appsona N A. for Salesforce by AppSona. you Format them in ways that make sense to a user So you drop things into a calendar view drop things into a tabular view or a grid view and then edit them in line okay, creating like a cross object search report and then once you get your report back you can edit the data in the report in line so it's like almost like creating a enhanced view with crazy searching abilities cross objects. Right. Pretty neat. And allows you to visualize the data in different ways. So not just a tabular view or grid, but also drop things on a calendar if you wanted to.

Justin Edelstein: So really neat. You know, they call it, you know, the ability to do grid editing, importing, updating, exporting via CSV. mass editing, deleting, and a bunch of other productivity features in a native visual force app with a web 2.0 feel. That's kind of how they describe it. I I looked at a bunch of the screenshots, read a bunch of the reviews, they have 52 reviews, five stars. It's a pay product. I don't know the price.

Jason Atwood: $120 a user per year. There you go, you've got it. 9 nonprofits, 10 free sites. 7 10 free seats $72 per user per month per month per year afterwards.

Justin Edelstein: So 80% discount. So there you go But okay, so yeah for for Enterprise Edition It's essentially $10 a user a month or $120 a year right per user that needs to use this This seems like it's like a higher end you know, somebody who's doing a lot of manipulation of data, right? But gives you a really nice user interface from what I can tell the screenshots on how to, you know, get to some complicated queries, import, export, change in line. Thought it was a really great app written up by somebody somewhere, which I could give him credit. I think I saw it on the Dreamforce app, somebody was mentioning it, or maybe on Twitter. But yeah, I figured I'd throw an AppExchange app out there for people. And it's not done by force.com labs.

Justin Edelstein: Not done by force.com labs either. I love how force.com labs has dropped. It's dwindled, I'm sorry, I've dwindled, I'm dwindled, I'm sorry, I've dwindled, I'm sorry, I've dwindled, I've dwindled, I've dwindled, I've dwindled, I've dwindled, I've run into far too many issues with their unmanaged packages. Like I get that they're unmanaged and they're meant to be templates, but when you're installing them in production as is, I mean there should be like huge disclaimers on those things like in three releases you may not ever be able to push code into your org until you fix our code. They should have that in like big bold letters. Actually what Force.com Labs should do is for every unmanaged package that they release they should release a managed version. Yeah, that'd be interesting. And you just, hey, if you want to install the managed one, you sort of understand that, okay, I don't want the template, I don't want to change it, I just want it as it is.

32:14 Justin Edelstein: I feel like they should do that. That way, it won't break anything. It's managed, it's sort of off on its own. Yeah, and I think that's why it's labs, but it's true.

Jason Atwood: I understand labs now for what they do. I don't think clients understand labs. It's like, oh, no, this is just stuff we're just building for the sake of building it. We might never, ever touch it again.

Justin Edelstein: We're having fun. And just to describe it, you're great.

Jason Atwood: But it's almost one of the reasons, like, that's why you pay for apps. That's why you pay for apps, even us. We created, we have two apps. We'll see you next time. they're free, they're managed, but our level of commitment That's a good one. So my pick, I'm gonna go back to hardware.

Justin Edelstein: I like when you do, when you go hardware.

Jason Atwood: I do hardware. I am doing a Kickstarter project, which I got.

Justin Edelstein: Oh, you love Kickstarter. What is that thing?

Jason Atwood: I love Kickstarter. So I'm holding up something that none of you can see. But it is the... I can see it. The Lunatic is made by the same... Oh, is that, is that how that's... Okay. That is made by the same people who did the... The watch band that you can put the nano in. Yeah that you bought and never used I used a few times, but then they created something called the lunatic Which is basically it's a very simple thing. It is a is a pen Okay pen and it is also a stylus So if you were to do stylus-y things, because playing on your iPad with the stylus is nice. And when you're drawing or looking, and some people actually like just to do stuff on it with their stylus.

Justin Edelstein: What app am I in? Well, I don't know. You're in something. How do I get out of where? Oh, there it is.

Jason Atwood: There, there's probably a... I'm... You're in a high-end one. I'll put you on... Get me out of this high-end thing. Yeah, I'll put you on paper.

Justin Edelstein: There we go. Paper. I need... I just need... I. I need paper. Clear the sound. Whoa. What are you doing? Alright there. Okay. Thanks. So he's writing, this is the most interactive file. I just wrote stylus. Yes. On a blank piece of paper. A blank piece of paper.

Jason Atwood: While you can do it with your stylus. Oh I can do it with my stylus. Yeah. Sort of. We can pull up different types of. I can write calligraphy. I think this is one of my other picks, the link, which was... Which was stylist anyway, it's called the lunatic. I don't even know I think they just if something I funded I funded three months ago or something. They just shipped it it is a It is a nice little stylist and I find that even though I love I love You know my iPad I find that I don't like drawing with my finger. I just don't like drawing with my finger. I like drawing with a pen. So this thing, put in your backpack. So it's called the Lunatic Touch Pen. It does, they say it does paper and pixels.

35:25 Jason Atwood: It is a very, very cool pen made by the same guys who did the... That's me clicking the pen. Yeah, and actually the pen is actually nice. You can try it. The pen actually is a nice pen as well.

Justin Edelstein: Oh, it is a nice pen. It's just like a nice... It's the kind of...

Jason Atwood: It's actually the kind of pen I like It's probably about that. I mean my guess is that I'm not a huge draw on the iPad person I'm just not it's not well.

Justin Edelstein: You're not a big iPad well I love whiteboards, but you know I like whiteboards cuz they're huge so you had a big eye if I had a huge I I can't get a- I can't do things in the space. The iPad's too.

Jason Atwood: The iPad's too small for me. Ah, I'm trying to find the price here. I don't know what it is. I think it's- Well, it's on Kickstarter. Can you still fund it? It's closed. It's closed because I have it in my hand. It's funded.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. But now they should be product, yeah?.

Jason Atwood: The company? Yeah, so they should be selling it. I'm just trying to see if there's... I can't find a price.

Justin Edelstein: Anyway, it's called the Lunatic. Maybe it's one of those things that you can't... Why don't you spell it because it's spelled a little weird.

Jason Atwood: L a u n a t i k. Right. Lunatic. By TikTok. But I mean, it's got this specialized front. I mean, if you feel that this is different than the front..... I know you and the partner that shall remain nameless both have...

Justin Edelstein: Ipad stylus styli. Yep stylistic stylize that's done I'm I don't I don't you I don't even have an app on my iPad that I can think of that I would use a stylus for Like I don't have a drawing app. It doesn't have to be drawing app. That's what you're saying I know you can just use it. You can just use it, right? You can sit there and like type with it, but that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me A lot of people because glared at me. They just like that. And what he's doing is he's just swiping between his pages. He just opened up chatter on the iPad. So the new iPad, which actually, wow, it does open chatter quite a bit faster than my iPad does. It's more of like...

Justin Edelstein: What's that? Go back to that at view? You guys have seen the version of chatter?

Jason Atwood: I'm... What's with that map? Oh, it tells you where it's me. Where I am because I put my location in there. Oh. It's not anything fun. But anyway, the idea is that it is a, you know, now chatter. Chatter is crashing. No good. But anyway, I, again, I wasn't a big thing. I saw some quick Kickstarter. I'm a big Kickstarter guy. I love Kickstarter. But I mean, I think a lot of people like just using, because it's just easier to scroll up. I mean, like, even doing mail. It's just I easier to... do this sometimes with your finger if you're sitting there with it. That's true. Plus, your fingers are a little sweaty or moist.

38:35 Justin Edelstein: Plus, you can kind of do both. Anyway. By the way, they have TikTok has a new Kickstarter. I just, I just. Yeah, they do have a new one. Tax, called Tactic. It's like a the premium protection system for the iPhone. Yes. Whoa, this thing looks hardcore. Yes. Like it's got like screws in it. Yeah. Wow. I would never use that. No, that would make my iPhone like 100 pounds it looks like. All right, so let's wrap it up this week.

Jason Atwood: We have a... Sorry. Remember it's the... We're on the 97th. We're getting to the 100th episode. On the 100th episode, we've now decided Justin and I are gonna pick five new picks. It's gonna be an all-pics show. You're gonna love it. We're gonna pick our top five picks each, and then we're gonna pick top five picks from the past that from the past

Justin Edelstein: I've picked like I don't have to pick picks that I've picked. Yes pick any pick no you have to pick top five I can't pick like my cast

Jason Atwood: If it is my pick no oh, how can you pick my pick? Why not well you can tell me it's the greatest pick ever but if it's my picks the best pick you can't pick my pick I

Justin Edelstein: Feel like you have I feel like you have better picks of course I do That's, everybody on the podcast knows this.

Jason Atwood: You just care a little more about the picks. I am a attention to detail kind of guy. And I have better picks. So you're gonna pick five new ones, five new picks, and you're gonna have five of your old picks that you're re-picking. So these are your picks, these are the picks of the past. So 10 and 10. and then I'm gonna have 10, I'm gonna, or five to five, I'm gonna have five to five, great. No podcast next week, we'll come back with the week after. Until then, you can go to blog.arcasinc.com, read all the blog posts, you can follow us on at Arca Sync, at Jason and Matwood, or at Just Elson. You can go to Facebook or Facebook.com the slash Arca Sync, where all our fans are. Remember, we are gonna be at DF12.

Jason Atwood: We're gonna be running a contest. Yes. from the podcast, so get ready. As we always do. It's gonna be a little a bit different this year. Little different. Little wrinkle. We haven't finally figured out exactly, but I think it's gonna be cool. There's gonna be a really good contest this year. I think it's gonna be a good contest this year. We're gonna be at Booth what? 334, 334. That's correct. We're on Google Plus, and subscribe to us on iTunes, or anything. Just for you listeners, cause we won't talk about it next week, but you should be checking the blog post. My blog post next week. will be about the state of podcasting apps on the iOS. Because there's now a bunch of them, including a new one that just came out yesterday, which I'm not gonna talk about, because it'll be on the blog post.

Jason Atwood: But for you podcasts, because this is like directly to you guys, I'm gonna be reviewing four or five podcasting apps in one big video.

Justin Edelstein: I can't. That's it. I can't wait for that because I I still use instacast yes and like there's nothing that had that Anyone has told me or said to me that would Draw me away from instacast so I can't wait to read this post to see if like I did Download the new one that you just alluded to and that doesn't even come anywhere close. They totally failed and whiffed on it. Yep, so I can't wait to see what the little differences are. And I think there's like three or four other ones out there that I've seen. Whenever I hit the Genius button in the app store, it's like, you want this one? I'm like, no, Genius. I already have an app that does that so why do I you know so great things coming to those of you We also have some other 100

41:51 Jason Atwood: 100th episode announcements that we'll be making on the 100th episode, as well as maybe some new stuff to show and or do. So it's gonna be a lot of stuff out there. Keep listening, we appreciate it. Again, leaving reviews on iTunes is really our favorite thing. But until then, and until not next week, but the week after, as we like to say here from the Times Square studio. Sunny days, July 4th, sunny days. Yeah, no cloudy days. That's why it's cloudy days the week after. But enjoy those sunny or cloudy wherever you are days.