Bestees - Episode #142 of CloudFocus Weekly

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00:09 Jason Atwood: This is a 142nd episode of CloudF week of July 2013. This episode is titled Besties. C How about we be sponsored by our course Cucuting experts and I'm your host who is now I'm not gonna try it again. I'm trying that again. No, no, I'm not. I'm not. keep going. just gonna go. Yeah. Warts and all baby warts and all cloud cloud computing what experts not talking experts. You don't need to talk to be in. In the clouds. the. and I'll see just now I interjected as you podcast last week and the blog post that went out today. There's another really from last week but we were talking about meetings because we had a good agenda and then the new community launches and we will try to talk about that without getting well we'll get there when we get there and then we'll make our cod folks at pick up Yeah.

Jason Atwood: So, first of all, there's two new blog posts up on the blog du jour. one is called, I don't know what else to email the case. And you ask, why do I talk about this? Because this has been in, this has been in the holding patterns.

Justin Edelstein: This is the blog master editors. This has been in the editor room for quite some time. It's been edited for a while. Notice maybe. I'm so back. There was a week where there was a blog. blog. This was the post. And it finally passed my desk. And the editor signed off. I signed off but grudgingly. So anyway. Get it out there.

Jason Atwood: Indicases so not so again not emails that turn into cases But emails that are coming in but using cases away to capture on to them as emails, right?- the box that everybody gets access which is, a very common thing back in the olden days you would say set me up with a you know mass you set you up......................... very good for work for. I remember one of our first Salesforce projects. ever was just an inbox.

03:36 Justin Edelstein: It was a Salesforce inbox. It was a web form that submitted to an inbox. That then they copied into an Excel spreadsheet spreadsheet. Yeah, so that's good. So we did web to case.

Jason Atwood: So that in case. That is called unorthodox Salesforce email the case. And then I posted what I had hinted about last week. Well one is about meetings and that I didn't I just think I would I would have said but I just forgot kind of because we were so in on certain certain topics and not other topics. Anyway the first one is being on time we never really mentioned that being on time is a massive. Peace to a good meeting. Oh, yeah people show up when we're supposed to show up Yes, especially if it's a two-person or a call

Justin Edelstein: Like if one person's just sitting there waiting Had this happen to me a couple times in the last maybe today Maybe just this morning where I was waiting like 10 minutes for somebody to and I know it's tough because people People book back to back

Jason Atwood: To back to back meetings and so it's like literally I remember being in When we worked at that big company my boss at the time used to be in the back to back to back to back to back Meeting but he's always hard to even get on his calendar But he was consistently late and he was consistently late because a the meeting would either end late or not not because he had arrived late, but then he'd have to get to the next meeting and sometimes the next meeting wasn't Like, I mean, if it was in the same building, fine. But, but sometimes it was like in the other annex of the building. So it was like a 10 minute walk just to get from. So even if you left 10 minutes early from the meeting that you're in, you were just barely going to make it in the door.

Justin Edelstein: So it became kind of a cultural thing where people would just constantly wait for meetings. That was a meeting culture of meeting in person as well. Yes, everything was in person. Even though you were all, you know, you might be in a different building, Oh, yeah cross like on the different floor or something it was like let's get a conference room and meet in person.

Jason Atwood: You would get chastised if you didn't show up in the meeting. If you dialed in. It was a joke actually. There's some people who always dialed in and you'd be like literally you're upstairs. Come on down. Anyway, so that was one and then the other one was. And you kept multitasking. The other one was, right, well that was the whole point. Good, good segue. It's good good. Good. So gooey. You're welcome Which is the hardest thing that I mean, I certainly struggle with it. I know you struggle with it, but being here being present in anything. And so being in the meeting being present, just thinking about and doing what you're supposed to be doing in the meeting and this myth, the multitasking which actually can be its own podcast. You know, if that I can be doing 17th, no you can't.

06:49 Jason Atwood: Who people who show up to meetings or they're on a conference call and they come off mute because they just got called out and they're like, could you just repeat that question again? Because whatever. You're a little low. Yeah, you're a little low. I couldn't, you're breaking up. I couldn't hear you on your cell phone. That guy was doing something else or gal was to explain anyway. So I think being present and I would say take this into the rest of your life as well. I have found that in especially a modern day cell phone usage, like you sit in a restaurant with a human being or in a bar and you're hanging out. and like, just put the phone away. You're sitting with a human. Spend time with the human and leave the technology for when you go to the bathroom or when you're done playing with the human, then you should be human, then non-human or maybe human pet, then non-human.

Jason Atwood: Like, you know, well, maybe you can be on the cell phone with your cat, I don't care. Then human, then. All right. So being present in a meeting and really paying attention. Let's get to the news. All right, let's get to the news. Thanks.

Justin Edelstein: Big news of the last week. Yeah, I don't even know how to take this news. I'm- Big news for Flub World. Yeah, that's how we sort of broke it down in our agenda. We'll talk about the news about Salesforce and Oracle and their big nine year renewed Which I have a take on what that really means I think that's why you're having a podcast included a take on and and you know having mark and Larry Larry Ellison and Mark Benioff do you know the the big they both did press releases? They both did like tweets. They both hopped on a press Analyst call together 45 minute call and announced this thing so they kind of Buried the hatchet I guess and You know Basically salesforce signed up to continue to use right Oracle's database along with other elements of the Oracle stack for the next nine years.

Justin Edelstein: So by the way,

Jason Atwood: Color made, uninformed. I didn't know Oracle made hardware.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. When I said that to you, I, you know. We have our R winners and losers here and I was like I think Dell is a big loser in this thing and you're like well Dell makes the hardware I was like well, I'm pretty sure that this agreement means that Salesforce is gonna be ordering some of those big exadata machines that Larry Ellison rolled out on stage a few years ago and said here's your cloud right right and Oddly enough, here's your cloud, right?

Jason Atwood: That's it. Well, that's always a joke. You can make fun of hardware, but everything that runs is running in some sort of hardware and is sitting on some, until they actually put space stations with servers on them. They're all sitting somewhere. Somewhere, physical. But I think we should back up a little bit because the history... of Mark Benioff and Larry Ellison is actually one of those. It's hot and cold. Well, it starts from mentorship. I mean, Mark Benioff worked for Larry Ellison, worked at Oracle, and became a big deal there and then went and- He's one of the youngest executives in their history. And then left with Larry Ellison's blessing to create, and Larry Ellison was an investor and still is an investor. Very early investment. Very early. So he has good- kickback on that, then became, then built Salesforce.

10:06 Jason Atwood: And then over the years, I think Mark has, obviously, was built on an old database, but Mark has consistently, I think, moved away up until, but sort of used Oracle as an example of... not being with it, not being cloud, not being whatever. He uses others.

Justin Edelstein: The whipping boy, right? Microsoft is one. Microsoft is one, Oracle is another like, you know. Right.

Jason Atwood: There's the in crowd and there's the out. Like your Google, your Apple, your in,

Justin Edelstein: Your Oracle, your Microsoft, your out. Right. Or IBM, I think it goes in there. You know, he would even in his keynote. speeches he'd say, you know, this is not cloud. He'd put up a picture of this box. Right. The Oracle box. Right. The Exadata box that he tweeted about buying 50 of and how happy he was to buy those.

Jason Atwood: So this deal has that and has the personality thing.

Justin Edelstein: Well, it also has the thing that I think it was two years ago. Is it called Oracle World? Oracle World. Yeah. All right. We're, Benioff paid a million bucks to speak. And just before he was supposed to go on and do his keynote, they kicked him out. Right. Well, they had heard that he was content was going to be rough. I'm sure his content was going to be pretty brutal. Right. Considering the message that Oracle was sending about how, you know, at the same place, you know, Oracle saying Salesforce is not truly cloud, which is kind of funny to even. have them say that Salesforce commingles your data with other customers' data. How could it possibly be secure? Things of that nature. Because it's sitting in an Oracle database. Really poking at Salesforce, which is kind of poking at, like you said, themselves, very odd relationship.

Justin Edelstein: So then Mark did his unconference thing, which got a lot of press at the W Hotel that year. Right. And it was like this whole big thing. Like here's Mark standing up and... Like railing against, you know, you know, the, what do you call it? The, the false cloud, the false cloud was kind of a thing that came out of that. So that was all history and background with, with these two guys. And, you know, I listened to the first like 10 minutes of the, the 45 minute press analyst call, and they could not be more cordial buddy, buddy. You know, Mark starts off by saying that. You know, they made the right absolute right decision 14 years ago and building, building their application on the Oracle foundation, database. And, and they couldn't be more happy about their relationship moving forward.

Justin Edelstein: And Larry Ellison said the same thing. And Oracle made a lot of moves. They partnered with Salesforce. They partnered with NetSuite. They partnered with Microsoft. They partnered with a lot of people last week. at their launch of their new database.

Jason Atwood: So I think it's interesting though more, I guess now it's for us to pick up the tea leaves and again talk about the winners and losers. So let's get into sort of who we think won and who we think lost from this. The winners, I mean, I think the two that are obvious are Oracle and Salesforce. I think Oracle's the huge winner. Well, they won rep. Right, they got in with the fun crowd. I think they also won from they got they've always been

13:22 Justin Edelstein: They had they just haven't been there like this, right, they get to really now claim very publicly that they are the backbone of the cloud, right? You can say well, Salesforce is You know, an application and Salesforce can say, you know, database.com and all this other stuff. It's all running on Oracle. It's all running on Oracle. Oracle runs the cloud. Right. They can save that kind of stuff now.

Jason Atwood: I think Salesforce wins because they actually saved a lot of money. Like this deal cut them. of money from what they were spending on Oracle hardware and software or whatever. And they spun it. And so I'm going to take them at the word that they're saving a bunch of money. They're, they're making choices that are going to, again, whether it's cost cutting and they get a relationship and a partnership that would probably be better. Meaning they're also going to allow the clouds connect. They're going to build. I guess what they're going to build is built-in integrations between their clouds.

Justin Edelstein: That was what Larry Ellison was big on. He's point and click, built-in integrations which... I have never seen... Have you seen a successful...

Jason Atwood: Give me an example of a successful built-in integration between two systems like this. The only one that I can think

Justin Edelstein: Of that off the top of my head, and I'd have to think a little bit more about this, is the way that... Google apps are integrated into Salesforce. Okay. I said successful. It's pretty, it does work. and a point click, but that's not an integration.,

Jason Atwood: That's, that's like a, I don't want to call it a nigga. Okay. And I was actually talking to a client this morning, which I went integration. I said integration can mean everything from a link inside. Salesforce org to a website. Oh, I've integrated them to a full-on blown what we would talk about ETL tool moving millions of records in between Sinking them every five minutes of your life. Those are integrations. I've seen app exchange products I've seen you know that actually bring data back and forth and move stuff and I just I've never seen it at this scale and it be easy because it's not easy and for easy everybody want to make they want to make this easy and

Justin Edelstein: We've all seen you know the demos of SAP records chattering they want to see oracle records chattering at a rate like your finance stuff so I think oracle wins sales force wins and if you're customer of both, I think you win.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, you probably win. You win if you're a Salesforce customer because in theory, they're going to save money and they're not fighting this fight and they're going to have whatever. Here's Oracle customer. Well, then maybe your use of the Salesforce would be better. I think one of the interesting little pieces was now Oracle, when they buy companies, they would be buying all these companies who'd be Salesforce customers, they used to kick them off. They used to say, get off Salesforce and replace them with whatever their product is. Now they're not going to. That was one of the agreements was that so Salesforce is not going to lose customers that are the one of those like Oracle's winner and Oracle in one, in.

16:24 Justin Edelstein: In one sentence is a winner and in a little bitty way, they're a loser. Like their business is changing the whole like Oracle, Siebel CRM. They're sort of admitting defeat here. I think so. I think if you're an Oracle Well,

Jason Atwood: Sometimes it is, but sometimes it's a way to show when a big company, and I was just about to make this analogy to Apple, when a big company decides to do what you're doing, like OnePassword. So OnePassword is a maker of a password-sinking software, right? And Apple's putting that into iOS 7, that all passwords will sync between iCloud. And OnePassword's been around for years and has done it very well and built it out. At some point, When when the company puts the attention and the PR and the marketing behind a feature set and you already have that feature set But you've done it better and more then sometimes it actually helps you I would say conga when the quotes came out when creating a PDF quote from Salesforce inside of Salesforce off an opportunity.

Jason Atwood: I think we... Ooh, Congress feel... The reality is, conga is so far ahead that little tiny feature that I don't even know has a high adoption rate. At this point, it's like, so what? Not only did we know that conga actually helped helped build it, but it brought, I think, people to even understand, oh, you can do this and maybe I want to do it better. So I think for people like, we're talking about work a day, work day, financial force, job science, right? so force.com platform based on the work today work day is not the job science and financial for That's what Oracle does.

Justin Edelstein: So this whole integration piece, you're going to have to think twice about some of these job science being and Oracle bought Taleo, which is well beyond just science. Right. And, you know, it's like, all right, are they going to integrate that? I mean, that's the thing.

Jason Atwood: But if you're on, that's good stuff. But when you start looking at those platforms and you say, oh, should I go or I think then workday job science and financial force will get to say, yeah, yeah, but look what we offer. Look how tightly we are integrated. And then you can actually compare something that it doesn't exist to something that exists. Or when that thing exists, my guess is it's not going to be at the level that these guys have done. Especially financial force, which is 100% force. Workday is in job science. Job science is, I think they use a back end for the processing of the images. Anyway, net net. They process the... the resumes and they OCR them and they use Amazon services to do that. So but again, there's such a then gives you a will to talk against somebody else.

Jason Atwood: And I bet you price point they're going to do much better. And the two that I think really losing this one is one of their biggest customers, which is Dell. Weird how that's going to happen. I mean, I wonder if there's a side deal here. It just feels like, I mean, not only is Dell not doing well as a company, it's just not, right? They've tried to get into every market, tablets, walkmans, everything, and they just keep failing. And I think the commodity, you know, computer business is dying, right? That's beyond the PC. And then Apple is just taking a chunk of everything else. Like they're in there selling laptops like crazy. People, I don't know people who own Dell laptops anymore, or buy from Dell. They basically buy Macs. And then if the tablets, they buy whatever.

20:08 Jason Atwood: And Dell tried to get into smartphones and it failed. So I feel like maybe it's just kind of saying, well, Dell, you're a great customer now, but eventually you won't be around. sound. And then the one that I'm most interested in because I talked about it before and I made the prediction that this is where they were going because there's an open source database software called Postgres, Postgres SQL that I used to use many many many many many many years ago and Salesforce went and hired a lot of Postgres SQL developers. Renowned ones. And my theory was... I think they're moving to Postgres. They want to get off Oracle. They want to control their own destiny. They want to maintain their own thing and they basically don't want to be subject to paying the fees and the licenses and whatever.

Jason Atwood: Now looking back, probably a negotiation tactic, right? Look, we're hiring these guys. We can move off if we want. We probably have proofs of concepts of us moving off. We probably have this side pod over here, this dev pod we have running on Postgres Oracle. So you can't hold our feet to the fire anymore. My guess is that's what it was. but Postgres, if Salesforce said use Postgres as their backend, my goodness, that would have been an amazing boon for this open source software. And I think that would have been really, really cool. and so they kind of lost on that level. although they're open source, so open source doesn't really, you know. It doesn't really matter to them because they're not making money off of it, but it would have been nice for that software.

Jason Atwood: Good old software. Make some splash. What are other things? What are other things you talked about? You know,

Justin Edelstein: I just thought it was just an interesting... announcement partnership. To me, it was almost like, yeah, we're gonna just keep buying Oracle stuff. Like that's more to me what it sounded like than a like, part like partnership. To me, it was just like, yeah, we're gonna buy stuff. And instead of just buying stuff, we're going to like tell you that we're going to buy stuff. Right. Because we've been doing this by the way, the whole time. So the whole partnership thing maybe comes in the whole click integrate niceties. I've heard that so many times. So you put in an order for 50 exadata version, whatever they are at this point, and they're going to upgrade to the newest. database version that Oracle has but haven't you already done that? I mean, fine. You didn't have Exadata.

Justin Edelstein: You had Dell servers in there, but okay. So you, you had a bigger purchase order this time. Like, like what's the, what's the partnership?

Jason Atwood: Like that's where it came a little weird to me. I just, I think it, it feels like,

Justin Edelstein: Just a big sale. Yeah. Right. Oracle, Oracle missed all their numbers. I think three of the last seven quarters.

Jason Atwood: So it's like we're going to sell some stuff and the sales force is doing so well and sales force maybe gets the hey we're around for the long time. May for enterprises to like again i think one of the things i said this many podcast go by think one of the problems of moving to an open source. There's databases that when... When the cities and meryl's and doishas and whatever your clients come to you and say what's your back end yet on the cloud schmoud or what are you running on and you say I'm running on oracle they go okay fine date and they back away can't wait to talk to our.

23:35 Justin Edelstein: Our mutual friend who we used to work with that big company that now works at oracle. Oh yeah about this is funny your his perspective on it. Okay, just throwing that out there for you Richard or anybody else's I think his first name Richard Richard like was it like the guy? Yeah, it's almost a vehicle Richard works at Oracle I'd like to hear his perspective on it cuz he had some interesting perspectives on Salesforce Right. Well, yeah, well his products always better, but he could go work for You know, but he had interesting perspectives on Salesforce and security and this and that and the other. I'd be interested to hear his perspective on it now that it's more secure. This is, you know, well, to me, it's the same. It's like, all right, same old, same old Oracle backend Oracle backend.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. I just think it's a little bit more public. Yeah.

Jason Atwood: And it'll go away and who cares? And maybe just move on something. Maybe Larry will be a dream force. Maybe we'll he'll be leaving in the cloud.

Justin Edelstein: I want the cloud. Here's my cloud and then roll it in. He'll roll it in.

Jason Atwood: I think that's sort of the thing as someone who's been listening to speeches, it does feel like it feels a little bit like the guy who's been saying, you know. Oh, I don't like this, I don't like this, I don't like this, then you see him one day. It's like, I don't wear those types of shirts, and then you see him the next day, and he's wearing that shirt. And you're like, really? Like, haven't you just been saying that this isn't this thing? So it feels a little bit like that with Mark. No, from Mark's perspective. Benioff, yeah. That it's like, you know, again, it seems a little bit more like a marketing ploy. way. and it was the reality of the situation to say, you know, this is not a cloud and these are the false clouds.

Jason Atwood: And when the reality is, you run I don't care. I just want to sell, sell this to be successful and put all the money back. So all the money they save put right back into the core and, you know, build out those features that we keep yammering on and on and on about that. Oh, bad., speaking of chattering. Speaking of chattering, that's good, that's two good segues for you. Yeah, me not so much. The new community launches, so the new community sites and success site. To be honest, I'm just going to throw it out there. I've been pretty busy for the last two days. I have not had, I've gone in and I've been followed by a million people and I've tried to like play around for two seconds but I've maybe spent 30 minutes total in there.

Jason Atwood: And I know you've been chatting about it.

Justin Edelstein: And I didn't realize how far it went to like ideas and like you and the blogs and the app exchange. and slowly but surely, you know, completely migrated to a community of sales community. So the next time you go to the ID Exchange or you will be single signed in and you will be something that looks completely different to you because you a chatter. It's a very good idea. I say, eat your own champagne. Unless,

27:33 Jason Atwood: You think you can freeze it. Yeah, you can freeze anything. Yeah, you can freeze anything. Oh,

Justin Edelstein: Because you chill it,

Jason Atwood: You forget. and then... no. Actually, it's pretty hard. Vodka doesn't freeze. Vodka does freeze. Eventually,

Justin Edelstein: Yeah. Nitrogen, you can freeze anything. Not in my freeze. Oh from the Flintstones I know exactly when your freezer was bought. So, it's a community, just like they've been showing you on the stages in the keynotes.

Jason Atwood: Here's the community. Now. We had I had inkling so this was coming because we had seen primos and stuff kind of good But I did not know it was going at this deep I thought it was going sort of like high level to this one other area and not

Justin Edelstein: This way whole thing is completely Done, but why not Dreamforce? Why not the dream force portal? I and that's where it gets lost on me like the Dreamforce portal Is not so now we have these groups here and then we have the groups in their dream force portal and they're like they seem like different Communities, they're completely separate from one another that was a profiles. I will say I have some a few issues.

Jason Atwood: I myself have 36 profiles you have 36 40 you are nothing. I have 41 profile. There's people with Plenty more. Thank you. It says customer, so I say, so I have show up as most of the time is Jsonet with customer. A few of the times if you search for me, you'll see some of my old logins or they're not, by the way, they're not active because one of those is dead. I know it's dead because I shut down that org like six months ago. It's a little weird.

Justin Edelstein: There's a lot of people who have multiples. I've been talking to a few of them. Some of them are like, like, logging in with all their different logins and saying like, like, changing their name to like, do not follow. Right. People are, doing that kind of thing so But if you want to follow all 41 of my profile, go right ahead. You thing and then you can click on from there to get to their chatter. Feed so it's a little disconnected. They've moved the help and training stuff into there. Just kind of neat. You've kind of been single signing on to the help and training now for a little while. Now you can get to it from there and do all the things that you would do from the help and training perspective. I still Don't really love the single sign-on piece of it.

31:10 Justin Edelstein: This is a very very unique situation for you.

Jason Atwood: Most people do not have more than one Or that they're ever logged in.

Justin Edelstein: I have 41. I'm sure I have more that aren't there. So I don't know how they're gonna reconcile that because really,

Jason Atwood: That's very difficult. I don't think it's going to. I think they're just gonna, you're gonna have, I would suppose you could go in and say take these ones out. But that's gotta be someone's like full time job. Full time job is the community. I saw today which I was kind of I saw I just Couple things why I hit some answers or some ideas and they were missing images. Yeah, there's some issues with images and then answer We're weird we're gone. I yeah, I landed on a Google results that I wanted to to results are not Working very well. Like I landed on an app exchange app.

Justin Edelstein: I clicked on it I landed in like a blank page in the community. I mean, this is very new boy. It's not taking over the app exchange too, is it? Don't think it was an answer. Yeah posted to an app Because the app exchanges now kips it still separate stream for us here. It's your same login though. All right for the app exchange But but still I landed on a few answers in Google that didn't bring me to the answer One click on answers. It has like these some filters like it lands you in a place where you sort of So what like in this filtered view that you don't necessarily want to be in what did I get?

Jason Atwood: What did I get that I like I get one chatter? I get chatter chatter school inside of ideas All sorts of people that you may

Justin Edelstein: Never you know, it's a it's a Salesforce So to me it just feels but to me it feels like the dreamforce org which I've had forever very much like the dreamforce org But bigger Because it's not ideas and answers and every single Salesforce customer. So do we need to have a CloudFocus Weekly podcast group? We need a group in there. We certainly do. We have all of our clients are in there. Follow them. I've been following them. Like all day today, I was going in there. I'm like, who should I follow? Boom. That's good. Good use of your time. All right, some of our clients following me. I'm like, oh I gotta follow them

Jason Atwood: Can you just respond to the email follow? Be so good feature class Idea follow refile unfollow something. I still like bookmark and like I use those all the time Alright, so I mean it's new it looks I mean, my complaint with these things, I know these are massive migrations and they take a ton of time and they plan, it does feel a little bit rushed in that, I don't know, stuff like missing images and things like that seem like just not well thought out or not executed well.

Justin Edelstein: Sometimes when you move from one place to another, like the top right. is where you're a little, it's like an iconized version of your picture. It's either there or not. And then your profile stuff is either in it or not. So like you see like, Oh, I have this many ideas or this many answers.

34:16 Jason Atwood: Sometimes it'll be blank. Sometimes it won't. And it's based on the context. So if I'm in my org and logged in as I am, I can get into my, the community just by hitting help and training. Because that should log me into... Shouldn't that log me into help? Which is in... you say now help is inside the community.

Justin Edelstein: It is. That pops open a new window.

Jason Atwood: It should. It does. Does it bring you over there? It should bring you over there. But it brings me to one of my many... maybe not even the right. You have to make sure that you're logged in.

Justin Edelstein: Because even that will have you logged in somewhere else.

Jason Atwood: This is not this is not even it it is me but it's not me. It's not you.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, it's one of me's The help definitely doesn't pop you over into Okay Okay.

Jason Atwood: So we're doing how do I get into it?

Justin Edelstein: Answers does if you hit if you hit the help in training and you're logged into your org I was That you've only been logged in zero. I'm only logging the one org in this browser. It should take you right to the help and training and then you should be in the community.

Jason Atwood: It did and didn't but it brought me in If I went then to answers it then brought me back in the community. No, but it brought me from help.salesforceover. Yeah success And then success has come. And it signs you back over in. Right.

Justin Edelstein: And then they can see you know my my ideas and my stuff. It takes a while. I'm doing what you're doing now Yeah, it kind of takes a little bit.

Jason Atwood: I like that known issues is under the success So you should be in there, but you can't chatter on them. There's no chattering or anything. It's just Because one of the ones that I've been following forever But anyway, all right, well, again, I kind of want to poke around more before I sort of give me my full my full thing on it. Yeah, I feel like I do have I just guess with the Dreamforce portal, I always felt like I do have this place I can go that I can collaborate with people and have groups. And so this doesn't give me this has all of that stuff. But instead of having five, instead of having 90,000 people, it has what?

Justin Edelstein: Like I don't get it. How many clients they have. However many logins they have, really. Right, which is not clients. Way more than 90,000 Dreamforce people. Haha, that's crazy. It's a crazy thing. Yeah. It's a big one. So I need to go find my- And it's a rough migration. I mean, you can tell it.

Jason Atwood: I mean, I like the little pro- I will say I like the new profile screen for me. See? showing like, you know, like me and like my answers ideas, you know, reviews and all that, that's kind of neat. little box. I don't know how I, I don't feel like I know how to get this collaboration chatter. What's your answers rank? I don't think it,

Justin Edelstein: Salesforce edition. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how I get that. If you're on your profile.

Jason Atwood: I see answers, I don't see my rank. No, in your profile it should say... Oh, so collaboration is when you get to chatter. Oh yeah, collaboration is chatter. Yeah, I call it chatter. It's collaboration. Yeah, no, I'm landing on a chatter page. Okay, I gotta follow Erica, Matt,

37:24 Justin Edelstein: Who owes me a beer. Oh, there's a groups. True to the core. I've joined a lot of these already. I went in there and joined a bunch of groups and stuff. Awesome tip of the day. Why do you not make us a group? Because I wasn't sure if we should or shouldn't. Because we have one in the other place. It's like how many different places can we possibly... Well, we need a new group now.

Jason Atwood: Yeah, we need a couple. All right, I will build it. Maybe I'll build my GTD group, which is very popular.

Justin Edelstein: Very, very popular. All right. Well, I've bookmarked a post or two. The chatter adoption official group is a very good group. They post some really good resources and stuff. Let's see total membership here

Jason Atwood: Oh, yeah cool I feel like this is just oh I just feel like this is going to become Just like a copy of dream forest and I don't know how they're gonna do that. They need to merge them. But anyway all right. So let's get to speaking of things we need to merge. Why don't we merge our?

Justin Edelstein: Can I tweet my arc? Cloud your cloud folks after the pick of the week. Why don't you merge that links right to my Twitter? That was kind of neat. Come on. Come on one. God looks at pick of the week. Sorry I was playing around in there stop playing around I'll pick of the week.

Jason Atwood: I'll let you go first. I will say you're finding you're doing like a you like being like mr.

Justin Edelstein: Social app guy social apps So my sister, I know I'm not I'm not like exactly breaking any ground here. No,

Jason Atwood: I'm yeah. Oh, I heard about the new my space. It's like all you can set these pages.

Justin Edelstein: My sister, we were we're at Father's Day barbecue. It was a couple weeks ago, couple weeks ago. And we're at we're we're my sister has a dog and he's running around the backyard. And as dogs do when they're on grass, he starts to go to the bathroom. My sister pulls out her phone and starts taking a video of it. I'm like, what are you doing?

Jason Atwood: I think you just told me why I never need to go onto the site ever again. Totally, totally.

Justin Edelstein: This is why you never need to. But anyway, she's like, oh, I'm gonna vine it. I'm like, what? It don't mean you don't want to vine it. I know I'm not, for most listeners of this podcast, probably not breaking any new.

Jason Atwood: News here, but it's not that old fine. No, it's not but tell me I don't i'm not on vine yet But tell me why I want to be on vine.

Justin Edelstein: Oh the pictures of your It's video videos and a six second video. Sorry that loop And you can like edit them together and they're kind of funny like people create some really creative Videos that loop in six seconds because you can cut little pieces like you can make little sounds and then make faces and change your face or do something weird and In those six seconds and then it loops over and over and over and I've seen some really good ones They have like editors picks, you know that You can obviously follow people and then you can include the editor's picks in your feed and the editor's pick like really good ones or funny ones and when they're good, they're actually really good. They're like entertaining. Right. As opposed to people just, you know, putting a video of a dog pooping in the backyard.

40:39 Justin Edelstein: Over and over and over and over and over and over again. It's like it just keeps looping every six seconds. I will say my sister actually has some pretty good ones like they're kind like with faces and sounds like she'll make silly face with making a sound and then like cut to like her like making a another face like you have to see them to sort of get what I'm talking about but I found myself just Like totally just Walk because as you scroll through it it just starts the next video Then you scroll and it starts the next video and you scroll and it's like Instagram But with videos all them Instagram now has videos so they're trying to catch up to vine They're like 13 seconds as opposed to six You know what then it'll be like five minutes will be

Jason Atwood: Like this new thing where you can post videos that are long and Have a stuff it's called YouTube These are a little different. Oh, I mean, isn't a video a video? This is just a looping video.

Justin Edelstein: Yeah, it's kind of what I would... It's an animated gif. Yes, perfect.

Jason Atwood: Awesome, so it's fine.

Justin Edelstein: You're making your popular you're making popular and I was like totally into it the other night I was like, oh man, I am like it's like a half hour in and I'm just still

Jason Atwood: Scrolling a round here What are they I'll check back in two months because you are like you like these things Yeah, what's that one that one?

Justin Edelstein: I've not posted one thing sports. Yapper. How's that coming? Hold that order found that Twitter was just Better for that than then sports scammer. So it's yammer. Yep, or whatever it is. All right. Well, that's lovely vine fine Free for Android don't even have a don't even have website. It's all mobile It's like Pinterest with

Jason Atwood: Just the phone with video and phone and just on the phone Okay, no iPad app. So I actually this is a pic I was gonna make thanks for just like crapping on it It's fine. No, you haven't even tried it. I'm going to. Like I don't,

Justin Edelstein: I always think like., Instagram, do you not use Instagram or get it? I get Instagram.

Jason Atwood: I've posted a few, but every time I'm about to post something, I'm like, why am I sharing this? Is there a reason? Am I just trying to be like, whatever? I had a guy in a bar. Same thing with Twitter. Why am I sharing this? Do you ask yourself? No, I do and I think okay, is it something is it something really beautiful? I took a picture in Long Island City the other day of this of this I did I used auto stitch and I made like a really big of the city It was really nice picture and I posted Twitter I was like, you know views from Long Island

Justin Edelstein: City is for pictures forget video just words Like why do you? do anything.

Jason Atwood: I'm sharing something that I think other people would enjoy or is informative. I don't think of dog pooping on grass as informative. Funny. Funny, yeah. I guess. It's for entertainment. I guess. And your friends. Yeah. I don't do social networks for so much for entertainment. as much as I do it for information. Maybe that's sort of you know, like so for like Pinterest. I have Pinterest.

44:01 Justin Edelstein: I use it for more use it for anything Yeah, well there-you-go like this thing. I don't get I don't really go. I'm all into pictures It's a fun place to go like I'm

Jason Atwood: Looking for camping gear So I'll go through and now some you know you search for camping you find those pictures of like cool stuff And I just put it onto my own pin board, which is like I'm collecting a bunch of pictures I'm looking to Purchase or look at when I was looking for watches. I just don't watch this back Delicious bring back delicious social bookmarking.

Justin Edelstein: That's all I want. That's all Pinterest is it's delicious with pictures.

Jason Atwood: Yeah It is just not groundbreaking links But but sometimes when you're trying to find something it's nice to go to a place that people have kind of curated it for you You could just go to Google and say search camping But like this is like, it's a little bit more people have sort of made comments and have made it better Like people will do, I found one that was like cool camping gear for 2013 It was just pinboard and it basically was just tons and tons and tons of people linking to stuff And it is sort of- Find a tailgating one There are!

Justin Edelstein: Send that to me There are Anyway, alright, fine, very awesome I can wait, fine, login with your Twitter Best pick ever Just try it. I'm going to download it. I can't wait. Put it on your phone. I will log in with your Twitter. And just follow a few people and see what you see. I can't wait.

Jason Atwood: I will. I will try it.. I try all of them. I'm literally on every social network. I try them all. Sometimes they stick. So I just forget- Instagram I forget about.

Justin Edelstein: I always gonna take a picture. I would forget that I have Instagram. Yeah. The only reason why these Instagram is I get the pictures on like I'll do on Instagram to then... Right, you should put them into Facebook, right? That way they're there and the comments and the likes and stuff can go back and forth. So it's kind of a nice integration.

Jason Atwood: All right, well, I'm gonna pick something so totally different.

Justin Edelstein: What? Instagram and Facebook. There you go.

Jason Atwood: Because they were on. What do you got here? All right, so I'm picking a very strange thing. This is super strange. But I've been testing it for months. Unlike you, I actually like. test myself for months before actually picking. So I'm a big fan of LED of low cost lighting, right? Whatever at CFLs, you know, so the sort of life know the lights you buy in your house to that are low energy and better for the environment and whatever. And I've been buying them for years and years and they've gone from being very expensive like $10 a light down to like very cheap. So now you can get them. But the problem with them have always been the CFLs is that they just have this color that's sort of off and they're never as bright as like putting a nice big 100 watt light.

Jason Atwood: Like one of these you know you used to have a light bulb. Now they never so the color is always off and they take a little bit to flicker on. They act a little bit different. I put up with it because I'm like I'm saving energy and I'm also helping the planet because it's better for the company, you know, they use one. or 20% or 10% of the energy or something like that, that a regular light bulb is. So great. I've been putting up with it. And then there's this technology that's coming out using not CFLs, but LEDs. So those LED little lights that are in flashlights that you know and love so much, right? But the problem with LEDs is their color too is very stark white. And it's sort of, you know, you don't really want to light your room, your living room with these colors because they're very.

47:32 Jason Atwood: And they're very like prison cell lighting, No, thank you. Right. you. So I was reading up on one and there was this in burnout. No, they last for frickin ever they literally last for yeah 30 years. Well, $100 for your light bulbs or whatever. So this one we're gonna burn out this one came up it was it got great reviews. It's 100 watts. So 100 watt like Thank you. It's very, very bright, which is great. So if you've had these lights and they're not as bright as your old light was, this is. It is very bright. It's like the sunlight. It's very, very bright. It's a great color. Very low wattage, which means only 23 watts. And it's only $33 or $37. I think I bought like $3 for $99. And I immediately went in and I placed three of them in my house.

Jason Atwood: And my wife walked in and she's like, I mean, within seconds, she's like, what's that? What happened to our living room? And I was like, what? And I was playing all koi. She's like, what happened? Something's off. She's like, it's so much brighter. It's so much nicer in here. What's going on? She noticed when there's two lights in the in the living room, she noticed within seconds. It's that nice of a light. It's really bright. It's and it turns on in second. So it's like been testing this for three months. What's happened to your electric bill? And my electric bill is more a subject of air conditioning and refrigeration and a washer dryer than it is the lights, but it solved the one issue is my wife complained bitterly that while we use these CFLs and better for the internet, the internet, the environment, whole internet's better.

Jason Atwood: They never, they never looked very good. They always had, they were lower in light, and they took a little bit to turn on, which I could get over.

Justin Edelstein: But they never was bright, and they never had the color. I've never noticed your lighting being any different or off.

Jason Atwood: If you walk in now and you see these lights, I mean, they've been there for months, but whatever. You'd have to be in there a lot at night. Anywho, which thankfully you're not. Anyway, they're available at Lowe's. I'm going to post a link. They're called the Ultra... Utilitec 100 watt, decorative light LED bulb. They're very bright, they're great. I've been testing them for months. I can now see the difference. Like in my den, I have two, one that's one that is and one that isn't. I turn them both on, you'd be like, oh, I get the difference. They're great. I highly suggest them. So, and they're coming down in price. So like they're, again, a year ago, they were about a hundred bucks. Now they're down to like 35. Within, hopefully within another year, they'll be down to 15 or so.

Jason Atwood: So, They're coming down the right path. So they're available at Lowe's, online, I order them. They're great. Again, I'm probably going to go buy three more and put them around the house because they're that nice. And that's it. All right. Well, that's it for the CloudFocus App Picks of the Week, and remember to go to blog.arcasync.com for all the podcasts and all, the blogs. So remember to go to the Dreamforce portal and maybe the new If you want to get the podcast weekly, subscribe because you never know when we're going to put it out. Leave a review there, that would be great. We'll be back next week with another episode. Until then, as always, have a wonderful Fourth of July if you live in the continental US. Otherwise, we'll see you next week.

51:09 Jason Atwood: Enjoy those cloudy days.

Justin Edelstein: You